Trade Sochan ASAP

[hater]

Inconsistent meathead

And when he plays bad, which is most of the time hes one of the worst players in the league

:pctoss

[CorrectCrusader]

For what? You gotta pay someone to take him

[hater]

For what? You gotta pay someone to take him

Id trade him for the French Panda Bear

Yabusele

Just leave Sochan im Paris tbqh

Cancel his ticket and bring the bear

[hater]

Holee sheet

I didnt know Yabisele is killing it in Philly

Nevermind :lol they would laugh at us

Maybe we can unretire Tony Parker?

[Raven]

he's our second best player and clearly the key to us winning games, now if mitch intends to play him center, well you may as well trade him then

[hater]

he's our second best player and clearly the key to us winning games, now if mitch intends to play him center, well you may as well trade him then

Wtf

If hes our second best player then we might as well tank for a good pick.

Or trade his ass for something useful

He sucks. His inconsistency will be our doom.

[BacktoBasics]

This forum is full of some of the dumbest people alive.

[Mal]

Trading Sochan is stupid. You need players like him in championship run. Vassell, Keldon needs to be replaced with better players, since they are bad in their role

[onechance87]

This forum is full of some of the dumbest people alive.

Nope....We dont wanna keep overpaying players like we keldon,collins,vassell.He will most likely ask for a huge
contract knowing his leverage is how shit our roster is.

[mo7888]

Trading Sochan is stupid. You need players like him in championship run. Vassell, Keldon needs to be replaced with better players, since they are bad in their role

Unless he takes a reasonable contract for a bench role we'll need to decide between him and Castle. They should never be on the court together. I'd rather keep Castle.

[z0sa]

Dude's not good, but neither is most of the roster. I'm even losing faith in Vassell. How can you be so inconsistent??? What is wrong with you?

Get Wemby real help. Not later, not in the off-season, not years from now when our next class of draftees inevitably don't do the job. Now, immediately.

Probably should just fire Wright as a start. Mitch Johnson is also a supreme idiot who plays Sochan at center when THEIR ENTIRE GAMEPLAN IS SWITCHING AND THROWING IT TO THEIR BIGS. Are you a fucking moron? Don't answer that, we know already.

[hater]

He fucking sucks

Castle is good

Vassell is decent

Cp3 is of course good

Sochan is easily the most overrated spur this year

He has trade value at least. So trade his ass asap

Obviously nooneis gona give us shit for guys like Johnson or Tree. Love tree so I want him on the team but noone is gona give us anything for him

[Mal]

Unless he takes a reasonable contract for a bench role we'll need to decide between him and Castle. They should never be on the court together. I'd rather keep Castle.

Collins is 18 mil, Sochan will get Vassell deal level 130/5

[mo7888]

Collins is 18 mil, Sochan will get Vassell deal level 130/5

That would be a shame if we're planning on keeping Castle.

[poopbox]

Trading Sochan is stupid. You need players like him in championship run. Vassell, Keldon needs to be replaced with better players, since they are bad in their role
:lmao

[hater]

Lol

[Splits]

Maybe instead of ASAP we can do it in the next 3-5 days to the Trail Blazers, because we know they don't take roads

[Rosewood]

You guys are fucking idiots. For real.

[benefactor]

You guys are fucking idiots. For real.
20 years and counting

[Mal]

That would be a shame if we're planning on keeping Castle.

Castle ?? If Castle played torwards getting maxed by his next deal, that is nice problem to have.

[Mr. Body]

It's painful how stupid some of y'all are. Painful.

[KobesAchilles]

There’s literally nothing to trade him for. However we need direction at the moment. This is the time to decide what everybody is going to be going forward for the next 2-3 years. If Vassell is going to be a starter then he needs to continue to focus on defense and taking 3s. That’s it. Get him used to his future role asap.

If Sochan is going to be a starter then let him focus on little things on offense. His defense is good. Have him just choose a damn corner and that’s his spot on offense to be good from. And have him watch film of where and when to cut. How to give Wemby space. How to set real screens. Need him to set some Bobo screens. And tbh (old school thought) have him crash the offensive glass. I think his hustle alone could keep plays alive. If he’s going to be a bench player then keep him on the bench and give him a role that you plan on keeping him for this year and next year.

Castle needs to continue to fuck up. Now in the time to do it while we have CP3 to teach him. Hopefully we re-sign CP3 and Castle will continue to learn. But he needs a floater and some sort of midrange game. Castle is CP3s project and I don’t want him benched or his minutes cut at all.

Also Brian Wrong needs to do a move this offseason. 3 straight years of having a trash supporting cast is a complete failure on this organization. I hear people on this board mistakenly say that Wemby being good and having us in this tweeter stage of not being good enough to contend but too good to tank is a bad thing. It isn’t. It’s a really good thing. It makes our picks more valuable in the sense that they are still lottery picks and a team would rather have our picks then let’s say the Rockets pick. But not valuable enough to be afraid to trade them.

The time to pull the trigger literally is now. Wemby is going to command 60 million a year going forward. Let that sink in. 60 million a year. We have him at 12 million this year. It’s the equivalent of an NFL team having a franchise QB on a rookie contract and going all in. We have a franchise player on a rookie contract. Go all in. Spend money. Make trades. Sign an overpaid veteran player on a short deal. A 2 year Butler deal would do the Spurs wonders. Or put out feelers on Durant or Booker. I actually think 2 FRPs would all it would be to get Durant this offseason. They have a huge salary this year and aren’t even in the playoffs. Trust me they are looking to sell. But either way be aggressive

[Pauleta14]

Trading Sochan is stupid. You need players like him in championship run. Vassell, Keldon needs to be replaced with better players, since they are bad in their role

No you don't.

You need quality smart players, he's not one of those. He's not gonna change.

It would actually be smart to trade him before having to pay him the way Okc did with their Giddey last summer.

If only we had a competent FO...

[Mal]

No you don't.

You need quality smart players, he's not one of those. He's not gonna change.

It would actually be smart to trade him before having to pay him the way Okc did with their Giddey last summer.

If only we had a competent FO...

Remind me who OKC get for Giddey, what kind of player it was, and how much they paid him.

[Pauleta14]

Remind me who OKC get for Giddey, what kind of player it was, and how much they paid him.

I'm not comparing the players but the idea of trading before having to pay him.

I think we can find much better to develop or more ready and fear we'll overpay him like the FO did for so many of this roster

I know it won't happen tho

[LeBowen]

It all comes down to his extension.
Between 80 and 90 million over 5 years would be fine with the rising cap.
Not worth anything more as a glue guy.
As long as he doesn't have a functional jumpshot, glue guy is his ceiling.
And it doesn't look like he'll develop one any time soon.

Giving out another 150/5 extension to a player who can't be a consistent contributor would be a disaster.
He's good at certain aspects of the game, but we've been so bad for so long that we're grasping for straws with these fundamentally flawed players.

[The Truth #6]

I like Sochan overall but his last game was horrific. It was the whole team as well. Probably all hung over.

[itzsoweezee]

He’s not the type of player that can be played a ton of minutes in the modern nba. There’s for too much skill in the league to have a guy like Sochan be a major piece of your roster. They have only Wemby and Castle, which means the Spurs still need to acquire THREE more starter level players for next season. They’re not going to find that in the draft. We need some serious changes by this trade deadline.

[scott]

It all comes down to his extension.
Between 80 and 90 million over 5 years would be fine with the rising cap.
Not worth anything more as a glue guy.
As long as he doesn't have a functional jumpshot, glue guy is his ceiling.
And it doesn't look like he'll develop one any time soon.

Giving out another 150/5 extension to a player who can't be a consistent contributor would be a disaster.
He's good at certain aspects of the game, but we've been so bad for so long that we're grasping for straws with these fundamentally flawed players.

Me gearing up for Sochan's extension:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BiaYBvcMAI

Who's ready for Jeremy Sochan: highest paid player in Spurs history?

[Pauleta14]

It all comes down to his extension.
Between 80 and 90 million over 5 years would be fine with the rising cap.
Not worth anything more as a glue guy.
As long as he doesn't have a functional jumpshot, glue guy is his ceiling.
And it doesn't look like he'll develop one any time soon.

Giving out another 150/5 extension to a player who can't be a consistent contributor would be a disaster.
He's good at certain aspects of the game, but we've been so bad for so long that we're grasping for straws with these fundamentally flawed players.

I don't think it would.

His floor is so low, when he's not good, he's horrible and literally helping opponents.

Doesn't matter if he's cheap(er), if he's on the roster he'll have to be used. The level of a team is also relative to its weakest players.

Ideal scenario is to manage to trade him before we have to extend him.

[KingKev]

I’m pretty down on DV but he showed enough to warrant that semi overpay based on potential. With Sochan you know exactly what you have by now and any prepayment on potential has to be because you think he can continue to improve as a high energy defender and not on the offensive end. Even at that I’m hoping something to the tune of 15mm/yr but preparing for 4yr/80mm. I really hope we don’t outbid ourselves with another charity contract but history repeats itself.

[onechance87]

Let the market decide his contract.Doubt a team offers him a big contract.

[LeBowen]

I don't think it would.

His floor is so low, when he's not good, he's horrible and literally helping opponents.

Doesn't matter if he's cheap(er), if he's on the roster he'll have to be used. The level of a team is also relative to its weakest players.

Ideal scenario is to manage to trade him before we have to extend him.

Cap is projected to be at $170/187/205/226/249M during five years of his extension.
If we offer 90/5, that would be 10.5/9.6/8.7/7.9/7.2% of the cap.
Even if he fails to be useful, would be easy enough to trade him.

I'd trade him if we can get good enough value back, no point in dumping him.

[Mal]

I'm not comparing the players but the idea of trading before having to pay him.

I think we can find much better to develop or more ready and fear we'll overpay him like the FO did for so many of this roster

I know it won't happen tho

If you trade Sochan in scenario - "Sochan or no deal" for let's say Devin Booker, than sure. But trading him for, lets say, Cam Johnson it's wrong

[scott]

If you trade Sochan in scenario - "Sochan or no deal" for let's say Devin Booker, than sure. But trading him for, lets say, Cam Johnson it's wrong

Is it just Sochan for Cam Johnson straight up? I do that in a heartbeat and include a prepaid betterhealth.com subscription for Sean Marks because clearly he'd have lost his damn mind.

[rascal]

Sochan doesn't even put his hands up on defense at times. He quits on the play sometimes.

[tbdog]

Is it just Sochan for Cam Johnson straight up? I do that in a heartbeat and include a prepaid betterhealth.com subscription for Sean Marks because clearly he'd have lost his damn mind.

Spurs would be the worst rebounding team in the NBA. Barnes is already bad here. Cp doesn't contribute much here either. Collins and Bassey don't play with Wemby. There is no logic trading Sochan for Johnson.

[rascal]

Spurs would be the worst rebounding team in the NBA. Barnes is already bad here. Cp doesn't contribute much here either. Collins and Bassey don't play with Wemby. There is no logic trading Sochan for Johnson.

You can always go get a real pf.

[tbdog]

You can always go get a real pf.

Name a few on the market?

[SpursBills]

I'd keep him around - definitely for the right price. Still young, wildly inconsistent, but clearly improving and even as a bench piece he seems like one of the few guys who can really give SGA and Ant a ton of trouble while holding his own on Luka. Maybe Castle can do that job in the coming years, maybe not. But it never hurts to have guys like that on your team, and if it turns out that Castle can't then that's a huge liability in the playoffs in the future if you prematurely trade him away.

[mo7888]

We really have people here that wouldn't trade Sochan for Cam? Really..

[onechance87]

Name a few on the market?

well yabuselle for one.Wemby wanted him,Yet we passed on him.Philly got him cheap,And hes playing well
for them.Also chris boucher who we are rumored to be in trade rumors with us.Also playing well for raptors.
Few others as well.

[rascal]

Name a few on the market?

You never know who's available but thinking Sochan can't be replaced is just wrong. Many players will be on the market during the off season also the spurs will have a couple of draft picks to replace Sochan.

Sochan is not an irreplaceable player. He's only 6'8, too small and isn't a great rebounder anyways and at 6'8 you should be a good shooter to overcome only 6'8.

[scott]

Spurs would be the worst rebounding team in the NBA. Barnes is already bad here. Cp doesn't contribute much here either. Collins and Bassey don't play with Wemby. There is no logic trading Sochan for Johnson.

This is a solvable problem. Hopefully we don't pass on obvious upgrades because we're afraid of solvable problems.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Never liked that no-defense, no-rebounding Euro trash version of Dennis Rodman looking guy without a backbone

[tbdog]

This is a solvable problem. Hopefully we don't pass on obvious upgrades because we're afraid of solvable problems.

Solvable, but not easy thing to do. The cam idea is just junk. It just sets the team back. But say upgrading Barnes or Johnson to Cam is a good idea. The obvious upgrade is the pg spot.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Sochan played a bad second game against the Pacers. But that doesn't take away from the fact that he is ranking very high on defense in the league and the second best defender after Wemby in the squad.

According to EPM, he is ranked 12th among defenders (97th percentile).

[Spursfanfromafar]

Solvable, but not easy thing to do. The cam idea is just junk. It just sets the team back. But say upgrading Barnes or Johnson to Cam is a good idea. The obvious upgrade is the pg spot.

The team's issue is Keldon Johnson. He has regressed as a player on offense with poor 3 Pt shooting and with his inability to make plays or orchestrate play. And his defense has gone from bad to worse. The only thing he offers is some defensive rebounding and decentish finishing in the paint. The Spurs are going nowhere with Keldon, either on the bench or as a starter. He is a net negative. It is time to cut him loose as there is nothing more for the Spurs to do with him. He isn't going to help them become a contender or if they are a contender and neither is he going to develop any further as the Spurs build around Wemby.

The Spurs have a long list of flotsam and jetsam to jettison before they even think of trading away Sochan and Vassell. Zach Collins, Keldon Johnson, Malaki Branham, Blake Wesley, Sidi Cissoko, and even Mamukelashvili. Thats a large list of useless tools for a rebuilding squad who have no business being around Wemby. It is vital that the Spurs use them to trade off to a squad that is desperate to cut costs (Pelicans, Bulls, Raptors) or load up more for drafts (Nets, Jazz, Wizards).

Cam Johnson is too coveted now to use jetsam to get. But it will be futile to give up on Sochan/ Vassell to get Cam, IMO as he might cost a lot in terms of both talent and picks and also to retain after his contract ends.

But the Spurs can think of getting Vucevic or Valanciunas or CJ McCollum or Poeltl by trading their bad talent away along with second round picks. All three of them will actually help the Spurs in the medium term without affecting their future.

[rankingtear]

Is it just Sochan for Cam Johnson straight up? I do that in a heartbeat and include a prepaid betterhealth.com subscription for Sean Marks because clearly he'd have lost his damn mind.

Cam only works if he can play the 3 next to a 4 like Sochan. He is not an inside man nor wing stopper. I'll just trade the useless top 10 ATL 2025 pick, BKN won't refuse increasing their odds of a top 4 pick.

[Mal]

Is it just Sochan for Cam Johnson straight up? I do that in a heartbeat and include a prepaid betterhealth.com subscription for Sean Marks because clearly he'd have lost his damn mind.

That is wrong move. You lose primary defender, and still did not solve the issue with scoring

[Kevin]

God I hope Lauri is available this summer and we package Sochan to get him.

I keep thinking that a big three of Wemby/Lauri/LaVine wouldn't be cost prohibitive pick wise if people are willing to include players like Dev and Sochan.

[scott]

Cam only works if he can play the 3 next to a 4 like Sochan. He is not an inside man nor wing stopper. I'll just trade the useless top 10 ATL 2025 pick, BKN won't refuse increasing their odds of a top 4 pick.

Again a solvable problem. Cam Johnson is such a better player than Sochan is, and will likely ever be, that it isn't a hard decision. The Spurs aren't good enough to be worried about fit. Now, would I rather keep Sochan to pair up with Cam Johnson? Sure, but that wasn't the question. I'm not even that big of a Cam Johnson fan, and I like Sochan... but at some point we need to get real.

[scott]

The Spurs have a long list of flotsam and jetsam to jettison before they even think of trading away Sochan and Vassell. Zach Collins, Keldon Johnson, Malaki Branham, Blake Wesley, Sidi Cissoko, and even Mamukelashvili. Thats a large list of useless tools for a rebuilding squad who have no business being around Wemby. It is vital that the Spurs use them to trade off to a squad that is desperate to cut costs (Pelicans, Bulls, Raptors) or load up more for drafts (Nets, Jazz, Wizards).

Vassell, and possibly Sochan, are part of the flotsam, the fact that we want to pretend like they aren't is part of the problem.

[Pauleta14]

Cap is projected to be at $170/187/205/226/249M during five years of his extension.
If we offer 90/5, that would be 10.5/9.6/8.7/7.9/7.2% of the cap.
Even if he fails to be useful, would be easy enough to trade him.

I'd trade him if we can get good enough value back, no point in dumping him.

I didn't mean dumping him but trying to involve him in a trade.

The Cap argument is not good enough to me, the issue is beyond the cost, it's the profile that I'd prefer not having on the roster. Keldon for ex has a great contract but doesn't attract any interest.

I know I'm in the minority, but again I don't think people can change. Sochan's issues are beyond basketball, it's his personality/character, his clumsiness etc You can't change that.

Anyway I'm 99% sure PATFO will extend him north of $20M/season

[RC_Drunkford]

Sochan played a bad second game against the Pacers. But that doesn't take away from the fact that he is ranking very high on defense in the league and the second best defender after Wemby in the squad.

According to EPM, he is ranked 12th among defenders (97th percentile).

he‘s also a top 5 roll man, right there with Joker numbers wise

[rascal]

Vassell, and possibly Sochan, are part of the flotsam, the fact that we want to pretend like they aren't is part of the problem.

Agree
People are putting players like Sidy who isn't even getting on the court and the same with Branham, Mamu and Wesley now and Collins who is now getting limited minutes as the reasons for the Spurs poor play.

[scott]

Agree
People are putting players like Sidy who isn't even getting on the court and the same with Branham, Mamu and Wesley now and Collins who is now getting limited minutes as the reasons for the Spurs poor play.

rascal, you don't often make good points... but when you hit one, you really send it out of the ballpark.

Branham not being good enough in his zero minutes is not holding the team back. It's the guys who actually play who do.

Wemby is obviously untouchable.

Castle is promising and while not untouchable, not worth trading except for some crazy offer.

Sochan is good enough, and promising enough, to not need to just dump. But he's certainly should be available for the right offer. CP3 and Barnes are useful vets that you only trade because it's good value. Champ is valuable only because he's dirt cheap and having dirt cheap guys who can be productive role players means they are worth more as trade asset than they are on the court sometimes (see Keon Ellis as an example. He's not a player that's worth what it would likely cost to get him).

Devin I put in a tier below those guys, due to his role and his contract. If he were on a 4/50 as the 6th man, he'd be a bargain and extremely valuable. But as an underperforming #2 guy on a $30MM deal, he's a borderline negative. He'd be far more valuable to a team who can make him the #4 option and can live with his contract.

Everyone else is quite superfluous. They could be gone tomorrow and no one would notice a difference on the court. The true definition of replacement-level players.

[rascal]

Sochan doesn't make a winning difference. If he plays or not doesn't even matter in a positive way.

The stats over the last couple of seasons has the Spurs with a better winning % when Sochan isn't playing. He's not a positive difference maker.

[ambchang]

Again a solvable problem. Cam Johnson is such a better player than Sochan is, and will likely ever be, that it isn't a hard decision. The Spurs aren't good enough to be worried about fit. Now, would I rather keep Sochan to pair up with Cam Johnson? Sure, but that wasn't the question. I'm not even that big of a Cam Johnson fan, and I like Sochan... but at some point we need to get real.

I’m not really so sure on cam Johnson. He seems like a good stats on bad team guy. Of course sochan is meh stats on bad team guy now but he does bring rebounding and defence.

Cam Johnson is mostly a scorer, kudos to him he did improve his passing and to an extent this year but they are, from what I have seen, meh. If he gets a role as a spot up shooter or occasional defender, I’m not sure how valuable he’d be. Sochan for cam straight up the nets will definitely say no, but im not even sure that is as lopsided a trade as most people think. But the nets will ask for at least another 2 good FRPs for cam on top of sochan and I would not go with that trade at all.

[scott]

I’m not really so sure on cam Johnson. He seems like a good stats on bad team guy. Of course sochan is meh stats on bad team guy now but he does bring rebounding and defence.

Cam Johnson is mostly a scorer, kudos to him he did improve his passing and to an extent this year but they are, from what I have seen, meh. If he gets a role as a spot up shooter or occasional defender, I’m not sure how valuable he’d be. Sochan for cam straight up the nets will definitely say no, but im not even sure that is as lopsided a trade as most people think. But the nets will ask for at least another 2 good FRPs for cam on top of sochan and I would not go with that trade at all.

Yeah, I wouldn't trade Sochan + even one FRP for Cam personally. Not because I don't think Cam isn't one FRP better than Jeremy (he is), but because we aren't Cam Johnson away from competing and now you've got one less tradeable FRP to work with.

I think Cam would be a really valuable 3rd or 4th option on a playoff team, but he doesn't put us over the top. Now... if we somehow got the number pick and got Flagg? And then traded for Fox? Then we should definitely try to add a Cam Johnson to our squad. But that's a daydream for another time.

[Pauleta14]

Which team in the league could have ANY interest in Sochan?

Genuine question, (after all the limitations he's show in year 3, not 1-2)

And I'm not talking about the fact that he's expiring contract.

[rankingtear]

Which team in the league could have ANY interest in Sochan?

Genuine question, (after all the limitations he's show in year 3, not 1-2)

And I'm not talking about the fact that he's expiring contract.

Golden State, they have Dray and they signed KA and they were interested in Simmons. Fits their system well. UTA, Markannen best seasons is with a 4 man like Vando and Mobley. OKC is trying to find the new Gordon, allows Chet to stay at C with enough size to matchup with DAL.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Tbh although I like Sochan I don’t see him as a great fit with Wemby for the future and would welcome if he’s a part of a trade for someone like Markkanen. However, people are very unfair about his contributions or they simply don’t watch games, not sure.

His defense has been legit, he’s the best PoA defender on the team against any perimeter 1-4 player, is recognised as such as he consistently gets the toughest assignments, and is doing well in this role. He also rebounds well, rolls incredibly well and finishes around the rim at a .700+ and has increased his general efficiency dramatically. All of this while fighting through injuries and change of roles. People may not like him but it’s fair to recognise what is obvious.

[tbdog]

Tbh although I like Sochan I don’t see him as a great fit with Wemby for the future and would welcome if he’s a part of a trade for someone like Markkanen. However, people are very unfair about his contributions or they simply don’t watch games, not sure.

His defense has been legit, he’s the best PoA defender on the team against any perimeter 1-4 player, is recognised as such as he consistently gets the toughest assignments, and is doing well in this role. He also rebounds well, rolls incredibly well and finishes around the rim at a .700+ and has increased his general efficiency dramatically. All of this while fighting through injuries and change of roles. People may not like him but it’s fair to recognise what is obvious.

Well said. Sochan has been asked to play multiple roles for this team since being drafted. He is also our annoying enforcer.

[Pauleta14]

Golden State, they have Dray and they signed KA and they were interested in Simmons. Fits their system well. UTA, Markannen best seasons is with a 4 man like Vando and Mobley. OKC is trying to find the new Gordon, allows Chet to stay at C with enough size to matchup with DAL.

Please explain to me how "he fits their system"...?

He can't shoot and has poor court awareness/passing abilities...

It'd be the same issue with any team, whatever he brings on defense (a bit overrated let's be honest) doesn't compensate enough his cost on offense, the countless broken plays or inability to shoot that is exploited by any team that scouts the team he plays for.

I genuinely can't see any team that would be interested in him, only way to trade is thx to his salary and "spurs cachet"/hype that stil seems to exist for whatever reason.

[Pauleta14]

Tbh although I like Sochan I don’t see him as a great fit with Wemby for the future and would welcome if he’s a part of a trade for someone like Markkanen. However, people are very unfair about his contributions or they simply don’t watch games, not sure.

His defense has been legit, he’s the best PoA defender on the team against any perimeter 1-4 player, is recognised as such as he consistently gets the toughest assignments, and is doing well in this role. He also rebounds well, rolls incredibly well and finishes around the rim at a .700+ and has increased his general efficiency dramatically. All of this while fighting through injuries and change of roles. People may not like him but it’s fair to recognise what is obvious.

That's just not true.

I get it, it's more comfortable to think ppl criticizing Sochan, just "don't watch games" or "don't know basletball" etc but the reality is that his contribution is being recognized. The critics are always on the balance between what he brings and what he costs.

That balance is too often negative, and he hasn't shown any hope at fixing his biggest issues (shooting has gotten even worse, court awareness and clumsiness still as bad).

And let's not act as if Sochan has to sacrificed himself or had it tough since he arrived in the league, the guy never had to fight for his place (probably one of the reasons for his lack of development imo) and is being spoon-fed most of his points.

He can't drive to create his points or shoot and still was up until recently an undisputable starter ffs :lol

[rankingtear]

Please explain to me how "he fits their system"...?

He can't shoot and has poor court awareness/passing abilities...

It'd be the same issue with any team, whatever he brings on defense (a bit overrated let's be honest) doesn't compensate enough his cost on offense, the countless broken plays or inability to shoot that is exploited by any team that scouts the team he plays for.

I genuinely can't see any team that would be interested in him, only way to trade is thx to his salary and "spurs cachet"/hype that stil seems to exist for whatever reason.

Gave you several teams who even desire lesser types of players and you still spewing the same shit like a broken record. Why ask then.

[rankingtear]

Karen14 is the resident expert in "court awareness", the same way rascal is in "athleticism".

[Mal]

Which team in the league could have ANY interest in Sochan?



Cleveland

[Pauleta14]

Gave you several teams who even desire lesser types of players and you still spewing the same shit like a broken record. Why ask then.

Are you serious now?

I gave you explicit reasons why he wouldn't fit.

GS wouldn't be able to use Sochan, why trade for him?

Thx for highlighting the total delusion of the Spurs fanbase regarding the valuation of their players.

[Pauleta14]

Cleveland

At best 5th-6th bench role player, used in specific situations/match ups.

He can't start, be used for long periods or in the clutch. He's worth it with a rookie deal but after an extension, I'm not so sure. You can draft a lot better to develop every year

Anyone highlighting his (overrated) defense is being conveniently selective.

[rankingtear]

Are you serious now?

I gave you explicit reasons why he wouldn't fit.

GS wouldn't be able to use Sochan, why trade for him?

Thx for highlighting the total delusion of the Spurs fanbase regarding the valuation of their players.

Are you fucking dumb you just criticized Sochan never mentioned anything about GS and how they run their shit. Genuine question my ass.

[Dejounte]

Are you fucking dumb you just criticized Sochan never mentioned anything about GS and how they run their shit. Genuine question my ass.

Join the club and put the dumbass on ignore. A lot of folks are enjoying this place better when they don’t have to interact with stupid people like Karen14

[KobesAchilles]

He’d fit perfectly in Phoenix. I want no parts of Bradley Beal though.

[Pauleta14]

Are you fucking dumb you just criticized Sochan never mentioned anything about GS and how they run their shit. Genuine question my ass.

Ok I tried but you're clearly an idiot

I should've known from the get-go when you started with insults rather than staying on topic.

[Mal]

At best 5th-6th bench role player, used in specific situations/match ups.

He can't start, be used for long periods or in the clutch. He's worth it with a rookie deal but after an extension, I'm not so sure. You can draft a lot better to develop every year

Anyone highlighting his (overrated) defense is being conveniently selective.

They got all the shooting they need. Replace Niang`s/Okoro 20 minutes with Sochan`s 25 minutes - he defends best opponent player, can play 3-4 position in any configuration, with all those shooters and good ball handlers his cutting to basket would be lethal.

They dont need to extend him at all, they would have two year championship window and deal with salaries after those.

[Pauleta14]

They got all the shooting they need. Replace Niang`s/Okoro 20 minutes with Sochan`s 25 minutes - he defends best opponent player, can play 3-4 position in any configuration, with all those shooters and good ball handlers his cutting to basket would be lethal.

They dont need to extend him at all, they would have two year championship window and deal with salaries after those.


Been thinking about it and you might be right, Cleveland could make sense.vNot sure what they could offer that interest PATFO tho (maybe a 20132 20133 pick?).

At the end of the day I'm pretty sure PATFO's too stubborn to admit being wrong and will extend him.

[RC_Drunkford]

just gonna leave this here, for all the idiots who think Sochan is bad at basketball

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/roll-man?dir=D&sort=PPP

[Mr. Body]

just gonna leave this here, for all the idiots who think Sochan is bad at basketball

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/roll-man?dir=D&sort=PPP

Eh, this site is worse than r/Conservative in terms of circlejerk group think.

[Mal]

Been thinking about it and you might be right, Cleveland could make sense.vNot sure what they could offer that interest PATFO tho (maybe a 20132 20133 pick?).

At the end of the day I'm pretty sure PATFO's too stubborn to admit being wrong and will extend him.

You asked, where he fits, not if someone would make this trade. I am standing, that Spurs dont have to trade Sochan at all, and he seems like type of a guy, who can sign team friendly deal. And that team friendly deal would still be 100 mil $ in nowadays NBA

[scott]

just gonna leave this here, for all the idiots who think Sochan is bad at basketball

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/roll-man?dir=D&sort=PPP

My guy, Trey Murphy III, tbh

Most of these guys are pretty low-frequency rollers and their stats needs to be thrown out the window... but I'd like to see Jeremy get more opportunities as the roll man based on this.

[ambchang]

My guy, Trey Murphy III, tbh

Most of these guys are pretty low-frequency rollers and their stats needs to be thrown out the window... but I'd like to see Jeremy get more opportunities as the roll man based on this.

Sochan is one of the better roll finishers in the league, but despite what pAuletta14 says, sochan is actually a decent passer when his pick and roll partner is wemby. The two has been doing relatively well early in the season and that pick and roll, or sometimes off ball screening, was working at high efficiencies. Sochan still can’t shoot but if you are putting in a decent percentage the opposition still has to guard you, the league isn’t all 3s, despite popular belief, it’s actually all 3s and layups and sochan got good at it. He is shooting something like 70% on layups and that’s equivalent to shooting 47% from 3, with better chances of offensive rebounding and less chances of long rebounds for the opposition to run fast breaks. Obviously those shots are harder to come by but with wemby drawing all the attention sochans cutting really pays off.

Anyways, point for me is, sochan is actually a decent player who is someone with an uncommon skill set. I would love to keep someone like sochan and he is unorthodoxed but he requires an actual game plan to help him be a threat, right now there isn’t one.

[Pauleta14]

The Spurs should game plan for Sochan bc he's "an unconventional player" ... :lmao

Maybe the Spurs should game plan for Champ as well bc he's so unconventional being able to only shoot and nothing else or for Tre so he's not exposed too much...

Spurs "DEI" Basketball !!! :lmao

[KingKev]

Eh, this site is worse than r/Conservative in terms of circlejerk group think.

Whatever educated (usually non-educated) view you offer regarding basketball you negate with your continued political rhetoric. You are the liberal version of the posters you despise.

[ambchang]

The Spurs should game plan for Sochan bc he's "an unconventional player" ... :lmao

Maybe the Spurs should game plan for Champ as well bc he's so unconventional being able to only shoot and nothing else or for Tre so he's not exposed too much...

Spurs "DEI" Basketball !!! :lmao

The Spurs having.a game plan so that Sochan can be a threat is different from the Spurs game planning for Sochan. You missed the nuances in that phrase, just like when poster after poster are putting you on ignore, there is a nuance to it because what they are saying is that you are an insufferable idiot who doesn't add anything in your points.

[Pauleta14]

The Spurs having.a game plan so that Sochan can be a threat is different from the Spurs game planning for Sochan. You missed the nuances in that phrase, just like when poster after poster are putting you on ignore, there is a nuance to it because what they are saying is that you are an insufferable idiot who doesn't add anything in your points.

What's up with your "Spurs needs to keep Tre Jones, he makes Wemby better"? :lol

You keep having the worst takes seasons after seasons

[ambchang]

What's up with your "Spurs needs to keep Tre Jones, he makes Wemby better"? :lol

You keep having the worst takes seasons after seasons

So as usual, got your ass handed back to you on a platter and all you can do is change to another subject and make shit up entirely. No surprises there.

But of course, Tre did pair well with wemby last year because he was the only PG on the team, the numbers bear it out, but of course expecting you to actually understand numbers is probably too much.

This year, Tre was clearly a positive when he was on the court. His scoring dropped further off the cliff but when available he has been a net positive. The numbers showed as much and you are free to look it up. But of course you’d rather hold your terrible takes to the grave and change to another subject.

[Pauleta14]

So as usual, got your ass handed back to you on a platter and all you can do is change to another subject and make shit up entirely. No surprises there.

But of course, Tre did pair well with wemby last year because he was the only PG on the team, the numbers bear it out, but of course expecting you to actually understand numbers is probably too much.

This year, Tre was clearly a positive when he was on the court. His scoring dropped further off the cliff but when available he has been a net positive. The numbers showed as much and you are free to look it up. But of course you’d rather hold your terrible takes to the grave and change to another subject.

I'm not gonna get into another back and forth with u karen, I know u get high off of it and you keep embarrasing yourself with the worst takes and still hasn't learned to understand stats I'm sure.

Have a great life and don't forget your meds ;)

[ambchang]

I'm not gonna get into another back and forth with u karen, I know u get high off of it and you keep embarrasing yourself with the worst takes and still hasn't learned to understand stats I'm sure.

Have a great life and don't forget your meds ;)

Oh, what is this? Nothing to back up anything you randomly threw out and just saying :cry your takes are bad :cry.

For someone who got named by other posters as karen14 due to your hilariously bad and misuse of the term, I do have to commend you of the obliviousness of your own abject stupidity. Your level of moronic behaving is almost charming if your personality isn’t so grating.

[Pauleta14]

Oh, what is this? Nothing to back up anything you randomly threw out and just saying :cry your takes are bad :cry.

For someone who got named by other posters as karen14 due to your hilariously bad and misuse of the term, I do have to commend you of the obliviousness of your own abject stupidity. Your level of moronic behaving is almost charming if your personality isn’t so grating.


STFU Karen

[Jordan Jackson]

Jones and Sochan are a couple of Make-A-Wish Kids. Not worth arguing over. They both should be gone soon rather than later.

[Mnky]

Sochan is one of the better roll finishers in the league, but despite what pAuletta14 says, sochan is actually a decent passer when his pick and roll partner is wemby. The two has been doing relatively well early in the season and that pick and roll, or sometimes off ball screening, was working at high efficiencies. Sochan still can’t shoot but if you are putting in a decent percentage the opposition still has to guard you, the league isn’t all 3s, despite popular belief, it’s actually all 3s and layups and sochan got good at it. He is shooting something like 70% on layups and that’s equivalent to shooting 47% from 3, with better chances of offensive rebounding and less chances of long rebounds for the opposition to run fast breaks. Obviously those shots are harder to come by but with wemby drawing all the attention sochans cutting really pays off.

Anyways, point for me is, sochan is actually a decent player who is someone with an uncommon skill set. I would love to keep someone like sochan and he is unorthodoxed but he requires an actual game plan to help him be a threat, right now there isn’t one.

Always been a fan of Sochan next to Wemby for smaller lineups. I think Wemby definitely benefits having a bigger guy next to him for the big center matches of the league, but those are so few tbh.

Sochan plays great defense, and my biggest concern with him was his rebounding, not his 3 pt shot. I think he'll be fine with that in a couple years. Nothing special but good enough to warrant the court time. His rebounding took a huge leap this year. He likes to bang down low and pickup loose items. That's perfect for Wemby who likes to play outside the paint.

When wemby decides to attach inside, him and Sochan are actively looking for one another and sochan has the awareness and above average finishing ability to gather in Wembys unorthodox passing.

Sochan is still a kid who didn't play a lot of organized ball before his career. He's doing great for the spurs and compliments Wemby well.

[TheChillFactor]

the thing i noticed about Sochan is that he is just a little shorter and doesn't have the same vertical ability as Aaron Gordon, who is sometimes listed as his archetype. I know Gordon is one of the best athletes at his size in the league (maybe league history) so its not realistic to expect Sochan to do the same things.

But Sochan's lack of verticality is always going to be a problem if you want him playing that role. So many times he misses bunnies or can't get quite high enough to grab a rebound or dunk.

i don't think he will ever be a good enough shooter to be a starter on a title team. He also makes tons of mistakes that absolutely kill our momentum. I would get rid of him but obviously the coaches/front office see things differently. Quietly hoping he's in the Fox deal.

[spursistan]

For a 9th pick, he is trending to be one of the most underwhelming draft selections in Spurs history. What does this guy even do good at a consistent level on the basketball court?

Seriously, i am out on him even being like 6th-7th man in the future. Too many flaws coupled with a dismal motor & basketball IQ

[Obstructed_View]

Sochan relies on his natural gifts. He does the same stuff he did at Baylor. He hasn't improved at all.

My guess is the reason Scott Drew didn't start him is because he's lazy.

[z0sa]

Sochan gets the ball right next to the basket, dribbles it a time or two, then runs away. He's still doing the exact same shit as day 1 of the Wemby era.

No shot. No turn around J that we thought he was practicing. No hookshot. No passing ability in any amount of traffic. He's a good on the ball defender, but doesn't generate any steals or blocks from his activity.

Overall, a wastoid, long story short.

Expecting a big payday from the Spurs brass since people like his hair.

[onechance87]

Guy is hurting is value..Gotta let the market decide his contract.Not sure anubody gonna offer him big money.Hope we
aint stupid to do it.

[timtonymanu]

For a 9th pick, he is trending to be one of the most underwhelming draft selections in Spurs history. What does this guy even do good at a consistent level on the basketball court?

Seriously, i am out on him even being like 6th-7th man in the future. Too many flaws coupled with a dismal motor & basketball IQ

And supposedly PATFO is high on keeping him and Vassell as part of the core. The sooner these liabilities are both gone, the better.

[Pauleta14]

Someone reminded recently on a thread the definition of insanity.

Thinking Sochan will change who he is, is a nice instance.

More than him, it's PATFO's talent detection and projection that are worrisome. It's his 3rd year and they still think he's "him" :lol

We deserve them considering how the majority of Spurs fans are enamored by Jeremy smh

[spursistan]

And supposedly PATFO is high on keeping him and Vassell as part of the core. The sooner these liabilities are both gone, the better.
Yeah..Also, we are sometimes hard on the guy, but Keldon Johnson outperformed the expectations of his draft position (29) more than Vassell (11)/Sochan (9) by a significant margin. That's to put the disappointment in perspective.

[The Truth #6]

I still like Sochan but he has been really bad lately. Not making any impact. If he's not playing like a maniac on defense then he typically has a lot less to offer.

He started the season playing much, much better. Seeing him regress is honestly a big disappointment.

[Knoxxx]

Something has gone awry because he doesn't even try to score anymore. His confidence is shot on offense.