Fox trade to the Spurs!!!

[DAF86]

Kings probably won't be particularly worse, and if they make another move, probably better than before

So even with the trade Spurs can still miss the playoffs as Kings might still stay above them in the standings

Yeah, I'm not suddenly expecting the Spurs to start lighting the World on fire just because of this move. Untill they add some real shooting (and some higher IQ players), they will still be hovering around .500.

[spurraider21]

I remain ready and willing for Devin to make my avatar look foolish
he'll definitely be relied on a lot less to be the on-ball shotmaker. this will necessarily drive him to a tertiary offensive role. its really up to him to pick up the slack defensively

[Spursfanfromafar]

The best part is ...finally the George Hill for Kawhi trade again delivers. It's De'aron Fox now. For the 20131 pick that was from the 2024 8th pick ..that was from the Raptors from the Poeltl trade..who came from the Raptors for Kawhi and who we got from trading George Hill. And we still have Keldon Johnson who could still be traded for some other useful player down the line.

[scott]

he'll definitely be relied on a lot less to be the on-ball shotmaker. this will necessarily drive him to a tertiary offensive role. its really up to him to pick up the slack defensively

If he can nicely transition into either a 3&D role as a starter or as offensive engine as a 6th man, it will be a major win. He'll still be a little overpaid for either role, but that's fine. If he can take to that 6th man role, it will also affect lessening our reliance on Keldon as a bench scorer (though he's been nice lately)

[SpursGenius]

I would shut Fox down and tank for one final time tbh. Spurs are still a longshot to make the postseason even now, might as well have two shots at Flagg.
this

[slick'81]

Cp3 ,fox&wemby pick and roll:downspin:

[spursistan]

So much for relaxing and keeping my heart rate down.

Anyway, I don't have time to sift through the rubble, but suffice it to say, many of you owe Wright an apology.

Hope you're doing well bro :toast

Yeah Wright's track record in multiple trades over the years speaks for itself. He really got more out of a fake borderline All-Star star than the Mavs did with a Top 3-4, MVP caliber player-- and that's without counting the knock-on effect of that trade in setting up the franchise for the next 10-15 years.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Chris Paul isn’t coming off the bench ever, he won’t allow it. Starting line up will look like
CP3
Fox
Vassell
Barnes or sochan
wemby
perimeter defense is dog shit and sochan can’t shoot and neither can Vassell but that’s what it’ll be imho

[spurraider21]

Chris Paul isn’t coming off the bench ever, he won’t allow it. Starting line up will look like
CP3
Fox
Vassell
Barnes or sochan
wemby
perimeter defense is dog shit and sochan can’t shoot and neither can Vassell but that’s what it’ll be imho
CP3 came off the bench last year

[GAustex]

I would say getting Gervin via trade from Virginia for cash is the greatest trade ever for the franchise

Lot truth to this

[Floyd Pacquiao]

CP3 came off the bench last year
Forgot he played last year, I think he’d rather get traded to a contender than come off the bench for a play in level team

[BackHome]

That’s why he signed with us

[Obstructed_View]

So who wears number 5?

[DAF86]

So who wears number 5?

Area 51 is too good of a nickname for Castle to give up his number. I wouldn't be surprised if someone already owns the trademark to that (if that's even possible).

[cutewizard]

Greatest news in the last five years

Or greatest news in the post Duncan era

[TekXX]

So which Spurs scrub is not happy about Fox coming to the team?

[emanueldavidginobili]

We back baby with still some assets and picks to make some shit shake. Take a bow for Brian Wright wow.

[Bruno]

What a great trade. Spurs gave up very little for a player of Fox's caliber.

[cutewizard]

GM of the Year

[SpurSpike]

Seeing some of the trades some of yall were proposing I was legit terrified what a trade would look like but this trade is pretty damn solid.

[heyheymymy]

another celebratory shitpost feels in order

https://ibb.co/8gvRZNLdhttps://ibb.co/8gvRZNLdhttps://i.ibb.co/fd6Kwqzn/0hlavq1js3fc1.jpg

[cutewizard]

I can’t wait to see this lineup:

Fox
Vassell
Castle
Sochan
Wemby

And the bench is competitive with Bassey
Barnes
Keldon
Champ and CP3

We are so back........

:downspin:

[tbdog]

We haven't had a pg that could break down the D since like 2016 Parker.

[Bruno]

Some random thoughts:

- Spurs gave up only 1 premium asset to get Fox: the 2031 Wolves pick. 2027 Spurs pick should past #20. Bulls pick might never convey with Bulls rebuilding and might turn into a 2028 2nd round pick.

- Spurs have traded away 4 second round picks in this trade: Bulls 2025, Hornets 2026, Hornets 2027 and Denver 2028. What a great use of all these extra second round picks.

- I'm really surprised Kings didn't get their swap back.

- Bulls getting their picks back is also kinda interesting because it removes for them the incentive to tank to keep their pick. They are weaker with Lavine gone but they won't tank and they might finish with a better record than Hawks.

- Fox should be extended in early August, that is to say 6 months after the trade. Spurs likely won't have cap space to do a raise and extend move like Jazz did with Markanen.

- While I'm skeptical about Fox and Castle ability to coexist, this is a too good deal to pass. This Spurs team really lack shooting, it will be a tough task for Spurs coaching staff to make it work.

- Fox has an hand injury. I wouldn't be surprised to see Spurs giving him some rest or even shutting him down for the end of the season.

- Good luck to Tre and Sidy. They never complained when they didn't play and I wish them the best.

- What about Chris Paul? Will he traded/bought out at this trade deadline or will he be fine coming from the bench?

- Spurs will have 1 or 2 open roster spots (if they waive McLaughlin) to try some new players this year.

- Spurs will have 3 picks in the 2025 draft: Hawks first, Spurs first and Spurs second. Main priority will be to get some good shooting forwards. Spurs also need a backup for Wembanyama.

[heyheymymy]

Someone exhume the remains of timvp for a '9 Thoughts After the De'Aaron Fox Trade' thread

[Raven]

I can’t wait to see this lineup:

Fox
Vassell
Castle
Sochan
Wemby

:downspin:

unfortunately barnes and cp3 aren't likely to come off the bench, even if it would help both

[DPG21920]

Fox + Castle + Barnes + Sochan + Wemby is my preference

Super bench of CP + Dev + Keldon

[DAF86]

Fox + Castle + Barnes + Sochan + Wemby is my preference

Super bench of CP + Dev + Keldon

Again, not enough shooting with that lineup.

[DPG21920]

Again, not enough shooting with that lineup.

Dont care about this season. Care about getting Fox + Castle time together

[lefty]

https://x.com/hardfactornews/status/1886226967361654784

[Raven]

Dont care about this season. Care about getting Fox + Castle time together

i kinda get the guys saying they want to see cp3 and castle play at the same time, to learn from him (disagree, but get). But fox? what is the point?

[DPG21920]

i kinda get the guys saying they want to see cp3 and castle play at the same time, to learn from him (disagree, but get). But fox? what is the point?

Huh? The point is Fox and Castle are actually a part of the future now. CP is not.

[Raven]

Huh? The point is Fox and Castle are actually a part of the future now. CP is not.

yeah... but they don't fit with each other...

[RC_Drunkford]

Just woke up to this. All hail Brian Wright!!!!

[lefty20]

Fox's plane lands in SA.

Pop...

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Kx6YKn0LBAoAAAAd/wwe-coffin.gif

[DAF86]

Dont care about this season. Care about getting Fox + Castle time together

You can do that and have Sochan come off the bench.

[scott]

Just woke up to this. All hail Brian Wright!!!!

You were a key part of the core that made this happen. We'll pop the corks all over again now that you're up

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Awesome trade by the Spurs. Congrats everyone who participated in the discussions in these threads, it’s been great fun.

Really love how they’ve kept 6 of their best 7 pick assets, made great use of the surplus of seconds and managed to trade away their only bad contract. A+ job, no matter how you slice it. Bonus points for including the ghost of Bryn Forbes into this.

The only slight negative for me is they’ll have pretty much no cap space in the summer to go after my man Naz Reid but they have plenty of flexibility to make it work if it becomes a possibility.

I expect more trades before the deadline.

[Spurs Homer]

Fox + Castle + Barnes + Sochan + Wemby is my preference

Super bench of CP + Dev + Keldon

yup

same lineup i prefer and posted…

it would be a great defensive unit and wemby and fox could have all they can eat offense-wise…
with barnes hitting timely open shots and sochan and castle and barnes wreaking havoc and picking up easy put backs and hustle buckets

makes the most sense…

then the bench would be balanced and with cp3 would not fall into bad stretches of bone-headed plays to give up leads…

[DPG21920]

yeah... but they don't fit with each other...

Better to find out now with zero expectations of a title than later IMVHO

[T Park]

yeah... but they don't fit with each other...

Castle won’t fit with a fast point guard who draws a lot of gravity?

Huh? ��

[baseline bum]

Oh man re-watching this ESPN Sacramento stream from earlier and seeing all the Kings fans in the chat get excited when they see CHA 2025 thinking they're getting a Capture the Flagg pick. Then finding out it's top 14 protected. Then finding out it's really two seconds. Ouch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nezw_fnb00U

[T Park]

Just woke up to this. All hail Brian Wright!!!!

Dudes been on fire since June of 23

[baseline bum]

You were a key part of the core that made this happen. We'll pop the corks all over again now that you're up

Ugh if it wasn't for the cedar pollen being super nasty today I'd be cracking an Arrogant Bastard in celebration.

[objective]

More I think about it the more I think Kings got the best deal. Spurs did good, but a disgruntled guy who turned down an extension and sent smoke signals in the media that he would only sign one place .... Kings got a guy who scores the same but is a great 3 point shooter and an okay rebounder & playmaker for a shooting guard.

And the Minnesota pick was blah when it was acquired but increased in value after the Towns trade and considering the Wolves current record and how hard it is for them to stay in the playoffs now. All the pressure was on the Kings FO and they nailed it, good for them

[99 Problems]

:bobo:bobo:bobo:bobo:bobo

[Fireball]

How will this affect the Spurs' style of play?

Wemby may do a bit more running and, maybe, take a tad fewer threes?

Wemby is gonna be unreal ... right now defenses just gravitate towards him immensely because the Spurs had no one who can create his own shot effectively. this is a whole other thing now that defenses have to actually make a decision when Fox attacks

[RC_Drunkford]

the crazy thing is we didn't even give up Champagnie :lol This is even better than all the scenarios we imagined. Kept Castle, Vassell, Sochan, CP3 and even Keldon and as I said Champagnie who would've been easy to include with his salary of 3 million. Kept all ATL picks and SA 25. Got rid of Zach Collins. We've basically replaced Tre Jones with De'aaron Fox in our rotation :lol This is crazy.

Rotation should be:

Fox/CP3
Castle/Champagnie
Vassell/Keldon
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Bassey

that means we got 48 minutes of great playmaking. We clearly need another small deal for a back up C, but I don't see us giving up CP3 or any other valuable rotation pieces. CP3s coaching is just too valuable.

[baseline bum]

More I think about it the more I think Kings got the best deal. Spurs did good, but a disgruntled guy who turned down an extension and sent smoke signals in the media that he would only sign one place .... Kings got a guy who scores the same but is a great 3 point shooter and an okay rebounder & playmaker for a shooting guard.

And the Minnesota pick was blah when it was acquired but increased in value after the Towns trade and considering the Wolves current record and how hard it is for them to stay in the playoffs now. All the pressure was on the Kings FO and they nailed it, good for them

Nah nailed it would have been them getting Castle, the 2030 pick with DAL/MIN swap, the 2026 pick with ATL swap, and getting their 2031 swap back in addition to Lavine. That 2027 Spurs pick isn't likely to be worth much and the only other first they got was the 2031 Minnesota that could be very interesting but wasn't one of the headliners of the team's war chest.

[baseline bum]

the crazy thing is we didn't even give up Champagnie :lol This is even better than all the scenarios we imagined. Kept Castle, Vassell, Sochan, CP3 and even Keldon and as I said Champagnie who would've been easy to include with his salary of 3 million. Kept all ATL picks and SA 25. Got rid of Zach Collins. We've basically replaced Tre Jones with De'aaron Fox in our rotation :lol This is crazy.

Rotation should be:

Fox/CP3
Castle/Champagnie
Vassell/Keldon
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Bassey

that means we got 48 minutes of great playmaking. We clearly need another small deal for a back up C, but I don't see us giving up CP3 or any other valuable rotation pieces. CP3s coaching is just too valuable.

Don't forget how much better our 2030 looks twenty four hours later too with that unprotected Dallas swap. I cheered that trade last night thinking for sure that 2030 pick would help us get Fox and Wright didn't even need it, and we still have it.

[dn0774]

Quick thing to mention for those suggesting Castle and Sochan starting together. Their on/off numbers when playing together is historically bad and should only be done for tanking purposes. The offense completely falls apart. Fox and Castle on the floor at the same time doesn't sound ideal at this point in Castle's development, but it has to happen for data/decision making heading into next season.

Hopefully Wright can secure a legit backup big by the deadline. So glad Collins is off the payroll, though.

[RC_Drunkford]

Btw best scorers coming off screens in the NBA:

#1 CP3
#2 Wemby
#6 Fox

[lefty20]

Btw best scorers coming off screens in the NBA:

#1 CP3
#2 Wemby
#6 Fox

How does one apply for the moving screen exception the Warriors have enjoyed during Curry era?

[Robz4000]

Btw best scorers coming off screens in the NBA:

#1 CP3
#2 Wemby
#6 Fox

:lol too bad most of the roster is garbage at setting them

[Rocalcio]

I thought this guy was French?

He is, but he played in Spain so can speak Spanish, and was probably talking to the Hispanic community in SA

[Raven]

Castle won’t fit with a fast point guard who draws a lot of gravity?

Huh? 😂

yup.. castle is a ball dominant player at this stage. he can't defend sgs either, so... why try

[spurraider21]

so... the bulls gave up their best scorer/player in exchange for zollins/tre/huerter. clearly they're going into full tank mode.

which begs the question of why the pick mattered so much to them. by trading away levine... they were committing to getting themselves a top 10 pick this year. they're expected to move vucevic too. they're probably going to be awful next year as well, so they were already planning to get a top 8 pick next year as well. so maybe, maybe they are on the upswing and want to win some games in the 26/27 season, such that the pick would have conveyed. they got at BEST, a #9 overall pick in 2027 out of this. really seems like any other pick would have been more valuable than getting their own back

[Robz4000]

so... the bulls gave up their best scorer/player in exchange for zollins/tre/huerter. clearly they're going into full tank mode.

which begs the question of why the pick mattered so much to them. by trading away levine... they were committing to getting themselves a top 10 pick this year. they're expected to move vucevic too. they're probably going to be awful next year as well, so they were already planning to get a top 8 pick next year as well. so maybe, maybe they are on the upswing and want to win some games in the 26/27 season, such that the pick would have conveyed. they got at BEST, a #9 overall pick in 2027 out of this. really seems like any other pick would have been more valuable than getting their own back

Market for Lavine must've been that bad tbh.

[lefty20]

Market for Lavine must've been that bad tbh.
For sure. Speculation from last year/offseason suggested that the Bulls may have to burn a pick to get rid of Lavine. Him having a good year gave them perfect opportunity to hit that "ejecto-seato cuz" button and turn a clean page to full on tank mode

Iirc, their '25 pick would've rolled over to a top 8 protected pick next year. And there may have been another roll over the following year as well. Now they get a clean slate on the tank.

[dn0774]

so... the bulls gave up their best scorer/player in exchange for zollins/tre/huerter. clearly they're going into full tank mode.

which begs the question of why the pick mattered so much to them. by trading away levine... they were committing to getting themselves a top 10 pick this year. they're expected to move vucevic too. they're probably going to be awful next year as well, so they were already planning to get a top 8 pick next year as well. so maybe, maybe they are on the upswing and want to win some games in the 26/27 season, such that the pick would have conveyed. they got at BEST, a #9 overall pick in 2027 out of this. really seems like any other pick would have been more valuable than getting their own back

I think the psychology of that pick still being out there is probably why they pushed to get it back. Now they can move forward without any thoughts towards it and not worry about a couple meaningless wins in March/April screwing them over somehow. Also, Lavine has been awesome this year but that contract is so bad they were willing to take Collins smaller, but still bad contract which says a lot.

[Manu-of-steel]

Id prefer Fox-CP3-Barnes-Vassell-Wemby. Castle subs for CP3, Champ and Sochan for Banes and Vassell

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/IlUtgM7q2pg?si=5iPYB-tgOTUrArlK

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/VE4H8wbNGG8?si=-iIij_8lYEB7Y6vc

[jiggy_55]

Some random thoughts:
- Bulls getting their picks back is also kinda interesting because it removes for them the incentive to tank to keep their pick. They are weaker with Lavine gone but they won't tank and they might finish with a better record than Hawks.
.

Huh? Seems to be this would be the exact reason to tank more and get higher chances at a top pick. I see them trading Vucevic and probably going full tank

[Mal]

What a trade. Basically everybody was wrong about the package, in a good way, because price was so low. Thank you Mavs

[Pauleta14]

Market for Lavine must've been that bad tbh.

Market for his contract more than the player imo.

He's overpaid but if he was paid $30/y instead of $40M he'd have had a lot more teams after him.

His shooting % are insane (+50%-+40%-+80%) and SAC might be better with him

[Ignazzz]

Whats about another part of deal? Fox out of season and cp3 waved and to kings s5 full time job.

[tbdog]

I assume Fox won't play against grizz. So first game against the Hawks?

[Pauleta14]

Oh and :lmao at the collective ST amnesia putting back Sochan in the starting lineups...

[Pauleta14]

Huh? Seems to be this would be the exact reason to tank more and get higher chances at a top pick. I see them trading Vucevic and probably going full tank

Bulls don't tank "culturally"

It could change but I think that's what Bruno referred to.

[Mal]

Oh and :lmao at the collective ST amnesia putting back Sochan in the starting lineups...

You have new rotation now. Can Paul and Fox both start - no. So it depends who starts, who comes from bench. There will be Fox`s lineup, and Sochan is your best pnr player on the roster for that unit.

[LeBowen]

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628368/shots-dash

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628368/shooting

67% at the rim, 60% unassissted.
49% between 5-14ft, 80% unassissted.

This is what we need more than 3pt shooting.
Our 3pt shooting isn't that horrible, I'd say it's average.
It's just that a lot of attempts are bad because shots are contested.
Why are they contested? Because noone can collapse the defense and generate wide open looks.
That changes now.

[Pauleta14]

You have new rotation now. Can Paul and Fox both start - no. So it depends who starts, who comes from bench. There will be Fox`s lineup, and Sochan is your best pnr player on the roster for that unit.

In theory and then the games happen...

I really hope Spurs are not done, we need a forward that can shoot BADLY and a back-up big man (4 or 5) so we don't have to use Sochan as a center smh

Right now we're still not good enough to make a PO push, I'd almost give fox time to get his surgery before the end of the season so we tank and get him ready sooner, if we don't make any more moves.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628368/shots-dash

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628368/shooting

67% at the rim, 60% unassissted.
49% between 5-14ft, 80% unassissted.

This is what we need more than 3pt shooting.
Our 3pt shooting isn't that horrible, I'd say it's average.
It's just that a lot of attempts are bad because shots are contested.
Why are they contested? Because noone can collapse the defense and generate wide open looks.
That changes now.

Facts. I appreciate you changing your avatar. @CorrectCrusader (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=67367) should be next :lol

[Pauleta14]

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628368/shots-dash

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628368/shooting

67% at the rim, 60% unassissted.
49% between 5-14ft, 80% unassissted.

This is what we need more than 3pt shooting.
Our 3pt shooting isn't that horrible, I'd say it's average.
It's just that a lot of attempts are bad because shots are contested.
Why are they contested? Because noone can collapse the defense and generate wide open looks.
That changes now.


Almost 20 attempts per game is huge, let's see with less volume and better shot selection...

The most important effect will not be his efficiency but his ability to break defenses and attack the rim. We're so bad at it rn... His job will be so much easier than in SAC thx to the attention Wemby takes from defenses.

I can't wait .

[objective]

Huh? Seems to be this would be the exact reason to tank more and get higher chances at a top pick. I see them trading Vucevic and probably going full tank

Bulls ownership have a rep for being cheap and greedy, so the thinking has been that there is always a push by them to make the playoffs to get the postseason money. So when there's outside pressure to tank like a protected draft pick, it creates an uncomfortable conflict.

Now 5hey can push for the playoffs like ownership wants without the worry of being too successful and losing the pick

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy3hSLEJxd4

[jiggy_55]

Bulls don't tank "culturally"

It could change but I think that's what Bruno referred to.

Gotcha, but this team kinda sucked with Lavine. This team is gonna tank naturally by itself by just playing the guys available :lol and that's not even considering what looks to be a big chance that they move on from Vucevic now

[Bruno]

Huh? Seems to be this would be the exact reason to tank more and get higher chances at a top pick. I see them trading Vucevic and probably going full tank

Wins minus losses for the worst teams:
1) Wizards: -34
2) Jazz: -25
3) Pelicans: -25
4) Hornets: -22
5) Raptors: -17
6) Nets: -17
7) Sixers: -10
8) Blazers: -9
9) Bulls: -8
10) Hawks: -5
11) Spurs: -4
12) Magic: -2
Other teams are +0 or better.

My point is the following:
Before the trade, Bulls really didn't want to catch up Hawks/Spurs because it meant going from the 8th to 10th pick to no pick.
After the trade, it doesn't really matter since it meant going from 8th/10th to 11th.

However, there is a downside that it will be more difficult for them to catch Hawks without having Lavine. It is a little late for Bulls to go full tank. Having a bottom 6 record would be difficult for them. At best they could finish with the 6th worst if Raptors keep playing well.

[Kawhi Duncan]

So what's the SL gonna be like?

Wemby, Barnes, Vassell, Castle, Fox?

Moving Paul to the bench ,Jeremy stays there too as he's damn near unplayable next to castle? Can Vassell play SF?

Does this indicate Paul getting moved before the deadline?

We need to make more moves...we need size and shooting...we can't continue to play SFs at the 4....big teams win rings...the west has been massive for years...small ball is a myth

[FireMicoHalili]

here's to hoping Wemby never gets enticed to join the Lakers at some point. It was fun seeing the Lakers go through basketball purgatory. I hope they end up there again.

[Pauleta14]

Wins minus losses for the worst teams:
1) Wizards: -34
2) Jazz: -25
3) Pelicans: -25
4) Hornets: -22
5) Raptors: -17
6) Nets: -17
7) Sixers: -10
8) Blazers: -9
9) Bulls: -8
10) Hawks: -5
11) Spurs: -4
12) Magic: -2
Other teams are +0 or better.

My point is the following:
Before the trade, Bulls really didn't want to catch up Hawks/Spurs because it meant going from the 8th to 10th pick to no pick.
After the trade, it doesn't really matter since it meant going from 8th/10th to 11th.

However, there is a downside that it will be more difficult for them to catch Hawks without having Lavine. It is a little late for Bulls to go full tank. Having a bottom 6 record would be difficult for them. At best they could finish with the 6th worst if Raptors keep playing well.

If they manage to get rid of Vucevic it's going to be hard for them to win any game. (Still 32 to play)

Remember they have Zollins now :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

also CP3 and Fox both led the NBA in steals at some point of their career. We will get even more stocks now!!!

[jiggy_55]

Wins minus losses for the worst teams:
1) Wizards: -34
2) Jazz: -25
3) Pelicans: -25
4) Hornets: -22
5) Raptors: -17
6) Nets: -17
7) Sixers: -10
8) Blazers: -9
9) Bulls: -8
10) Hawks: -5
11) Spurs: -4
12) Magic: -2
Other teams are +0 or better.

My point is the following:
Before the trade, Bulls really didn't want to catch up Hawks/Spurs because it meant going from the 8th to 10th pick to no pick.
After the trade, it doesn't really matter since it meant going from 8th/10th to 11th.

However, there is a downside that it will be more difficult for them to catch Hawks without having Lavine. It is a little late for Bulls to go full tank. Having a bottom 6 record would be difficult for them. At best they could finish with the 6th worst if Raptors keep playing well.

As you said, the Raptors and Sixers might overtake them. Portland too. That's probably the best tank job they can do.

[RC_Drunkford]

to be fair the Kings actually got good value here:

Zach LaVine
2 unprotected first round picks
5 second round picks, 3 of them likely in the upper 30s (they didn't have any 2nds left prior)
and offload Huerter's contract

That's a lot. The only thing that makes this a bad trade is that they think being the Chicago Bulls of the west is a good idea :lol

Edit: They also get under the luxury tax and have a 16.8 million dollar trade exception.

[John B]

What’s a realistic record after this trade? For sure Spurs gets to the playoffs? I think if we get somebody like Myles Turner (maybe Keldon plus picks) Spurs can make some noise.

[quentin_compson]

Yeah, given the circumstances and their short-term goals, I think this trade was okay for both the Kings and the Bulls. The Kings desperately want to make the playoffs this season, and with Lavine, they get a player who fits Sabonis/DDR probably better than Fox does. Would I have traded for Lavine if I were the Kings' FO? Hell no, but I can still kind of see the reasoning from their point of view.
As for the Bulls, they are probably just glad that they managed to get rid of this ungodly Lavine contract and at least get something in return. Maybe they will find buyers for Lonzo and Vucevic and finally start doing the rebuild they should have started like two years or so ago.

For the Spurs, this trade feels almost unreal. I can only echo what already has been said here in regards to not having to give up either core players or really good draft assets besides maybe the 20131 Minny pick. Huge props to the Spurs FO!
I am also glad that they actually did do a big trade like this at all because I was afraid that they wanted to rather take it slow for another couple of seasons - which would have been a really bad decision in my opinion.

[mudyez]

What’s a realistic record after this trade? For sure Spurs gets to the playoffs? I think if we get somebody like Myles Turner (maybe Keldon plus picks) Spurs can make some noise.

Keep your fingers away from Keldon!
Best thing besides having this great trade, was to see Keldon staying...his last press conference broke my heart.

[Davidicus]

Defensively

I can’t believe we’re going to have a 7’4” guy averaging 4 blocks per game on the court alongside a dude nicknamed Swipa. Who lead the league in steals last year.

And neither of those guys are named Castle or Sochan.

[Dverde]

How dumb can they be? That would have been the first thing I demanded. No swap back then we’re done here.

I'm really surprised Kings didn't get their swap back.

[Dejounte]

Defensively

I can’t believe we’re going to have a 7’4” guy averaging 4 blocks per game on the court alongside a dude nicknamed Swipa. Who lead the league in steals last year.

And neither of those guys are named Castle or Sochan.

This and his mid range game that he developed is underrated. I can’t believe my current favorite pg is on my favorite team. How lucky i am.

[LeBowen]

How dumb can they be? That would have been the first thing I demanded. No swap back then we’re done here.

I'm really surprised Kings didn't get their swap back.

My guess would be that they want something from Minnesota.
They're $15M under the cap now and Minnesota won't be able to pay everyone.
I guess they could get McDaniels with that pick.

Or it was Ainge's doing. Jazz controls the entire Minnesota future except for the picks we got for Dillingham.
John Collins would be a good partner for Sabonis, maybe use that pick to get Collins and offload Demar to Mormon land.

[ffadicted]

How dumb can they be? That would have been the first thing I demanded. No swap back then we’re done here.

I'm really surprised Kings didn't get their swap back.

My guess is it came down to their swap back or Minnesota’s ‘31 pick. Hard to say who pushed for what, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the minny pick is better value than a Sac swap.

[CGD]

Some random thoughts:

- Spurs gave up only 1 premium asset to get Fox: the 2031 Wolves pick. 2027 Spurs pick should past #20. Bulls pick might never convey with Bulls rebuilding and might turn into a 2028 2nd round pick.

- Spurs have traded away 4 second round picks in this trade: Bulls 2025, Hornets 2026, Hornets 2027 and Denver 2028. What a great use of all these extra second round picks.

- I'm really surprised Kings didn't get their swap back.

- Bulls getting their picks back is also kinda interesting because it removes for them the incentive to tank to keep their pick. They are weaker with Lavine gone but they won't tank and they might finish with a better record than Hawks.

- Fox should be extended in early August, that is to say 6 months after the trade. Spurs likely won't have cap space to do a raise and extend move like Jazz did with Markanen.

- While I'm skeptical about Fox and Castle ability to coexist, this is a too good deal to pass. This Spurs team really lack shooting, it will be a tough task for Spurs coaching staff to make it work.

- Fox has an hand injury. I wouldn't be surprised to see Spurs giving him some rest or even shutting him down for the end of the season.

- Good luck to Tre and Sidy. They never complained when they didn't play and I wish them the best.

- What about Chris Paul? Will he traded/bought out at this trade deadline or will he be fine coming from the bench?

- Spurs will have 1 or 2 open roster spots (if they waive McLaughlin) to try some new players this year.

- Spurs will have 3 picks in the 2025 draft: Hawks first, Spurs first and Spurs second. Main priority will be to get some good shooting forwards. Spurs also need a backup for Wembanyama.

Great thoughts. A few others:

- draft implications: in a top 4 scenario, Harper doesn’t makes sense anymore, but Bailey would be a perfect fit.

- Paul wanting to move on now or not would be helpful to know. He and Malaki/Blake together could bring back a 17M player. For example only, Jakob.

- wonder if they go to the scrap heap now for a big like recently cut (and known dumdum) Mo Bamba.

- with the slot open, it’s worth looking at the buyout market. Heard for example that Bulls may cut Ball?

- Tre will be a sleeper agent for us making CHI better (as Hawks struggle). Then spurs will bring him back this summer :-)

[CGD]

My guess is it came down to their swap back or Minnesota’s ‘31 pick. Hard to say who pushed for what, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the minny pick is better value than a Sac swap.

Smart point. They’re both slated for 2031. So basically the question was, do we want the extra pick (minni pick) or the higher quality single pick (SAC swap rights)?

[LeBowen]

- draft implications: in a top 4 scenario, Harper doesn’t makes sense anymore, but Bailey would be a perfect fit.

I'd say that no guard makes sense for the foreseeable future unless it's a Tre-style SRP that could be a solid depth option.
If we get lucky again and land a top10 pick, Flagg and Bailey are the only two players I'd surely draft. Anyone else and I'd shop that pick around to see who's available.


Paul wanting to move on now or not would be helpful to know. He and Malaki/Blake together could bring back a 17M player. For example only, Jakob.

I think he's staying even for the next season.

[Maddog]

Smart point. They’re both slated for 2031. So basically the question was, do we want the extra pick (minni pick) or the higher quality single pick (SAC swap rights)?

Hard to know
Both are constructed to tread water for the next few years.
Minnesota has a young star to rebuild around- but he could also leave.
Sac has a meddlesome owner- a roster designed to tread water for a few years with key players 29 and north so a reasonable bet.

[Dejounte]

Paul already did his ring chasing with the Warriors. He’s chasing respect and playing time, things he didn’t get with teams like the Warriors. He has all the respect here. He’s not going anywhere.

[Killakobe81]

Killa, you're dumb. But you're not that dumb tbh. :lol

Still as classy as ever … don’t change or grow.

[DPG21920]

Wins minus losses for the worst teams:
1) Wizards: -34
2) Jazz: -25
3) Pelicans: -25
4) Hornets: -22
5) Raptors: -17
6) Nets: -17
7) Sixers: -10
8) Blazers: -9
9) Bulls: -8
10) Hawks: -5
11) Spurs: -4
12) Magic: -2
Other teams are +0 or better.

My point is the following:
Before the trade, Bulls really didn't want to catch up Hawks/Spurs because it meant going from the 8th to 10th pick to no pick.
After the trade, it doesn't really matter since it meant going from 8th/10th to 11th.

However, there is a downside that it will be more difficult for them to catch Hawks without having Lavine. It is a little late for Bulls to go full tank. Having a bottom 6 record would be difficult for them. At best they could finish with the 6th worst if Raptors keep playing well.

I am legit so happy I dont have to track Bulls any more lol. Not having to care about their pick or standing is a gift and should be added to the trade haul in terms of grading it :lol

[CGD]

Hard to know
Both are constructed to tread water for the next few years.
Minnesota has a young star to rebuild around- but he could also leave.
Sac has a meddlesome owner- a roster designed to tread water for a few years with key players 29 and north so a reasonable bet.

True, but i think the broader point is that because they didnt have to give the swap back they likely keep a useful asset when Wemby is n his prime.

[Mr. Body]

For all the talk about Fox not being great from distance, Trae Young shoots .339 from distance this year and Fox shoots just a tick worse. Maybe the point is Trae actually isn't a great outside shooter.

[MannyIsGod]

Paul already did his ring chasing with the Warriors. He’s chasing respect and playing time, things he didn’t get with teams like the Warriors. He has all the respect here. He’s not going anywhere.

Hope you're right. I love how he teaches the team. You see less of him yelling at players as the season goes on and they've gotten smarter. Would love to keep him off the bench but we'll see.

[RC_Drunkford]

I totally expect the Spurs to bring out these Tony Parker sets ASAP with Fox on the team. Devin should be in the Danny Green role of these clips.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9FuNF7EezQ

[LeBowen]

One thing I never understood was how is Fox listed at 6'3 with Dejounte at 6'5?

https://i.imgur.com/9icTxv8.png

He's definitely got great size for a point guard. Listed wingspan is 6'6.5".

[Dejounte]

Hope you're right. I love how he teaches the team. You see less of him yelling at players as the season goes on and they've gotten smarter. Would love to keep him off the bench but we'll see.

I’d like to add that the choice is also between being there for the first couple of years of a legend / GOAT in Wemby versus playing on a contending team that MAYBE will win the championship and MAYBE getting playing time on that team.

[RC_Drunkford]

no other team is gonna offer CP3 a starting role. He should just stay here for another season as a back up.

[Dejounte]

no other team is gonna offer CP3 a starting role. He should just stay here for another season as a back up.

Those teams might not even give him consistent minutes as a backup. Too many unknowns for him to risk it.

[RC_Drunkford]

yup, keeping CP3 for another year to mentor the young guys and also Fox makes too much sense if you ask me. I hope he sticks around.

[Dverde]

I think CP3 might go ring chasing and it makes sense with Fox coming in. He’s worth keeping around solely for this free throws percentage to close out games.

[Davidicus]

Anyone know relationship / history between Pop and Fox?

[cd98]

The return for any trade of CP3 would be minimal because no one is giving up anything of substance for a 39-year old PG. The only possibility of a trade is if there is a contender that loses their starting pg for the year. Spurs could waive him towards the end of the season so he could join a contender, but nothing from what I've seen gives the impression he doesn't want to be here.

[Dex]

The return for any trade of CP3 would be minimal because no one is giving up anything of substance for a 39-year old PG. The only possibility of a trade is if there is a contender that loses their starting pg for the year. Spurs could waive him towards the end of the season so he could join a contender, but nothing from what I've seen gives the impression he doesn't want to be here.

I think the Spurs would respect Paul's wishes if he wants to go somewhere else, and agree that we prob won't get any assets for him (probably be waived).

Time will tell...hope he sticks around but he came to play so I don't think he would like coming off the bench

[mo7888]

I think the Spurs would respect Paul's wishes if he wants to go somewhere else, and agree that we prob won't get any assets for him (probably be waived).

Time will tell...hope he sticks around but he came to play so I don't think he would like coming off the bench

I'm actually good with a Fox, Cp3, Vassell, Barnes, Wemby SL. 4 guys that can shoot the 3 and 1 who can attack the rim. You stagger Cp3 and Fox after the first 6 minutes.

[Chinook]

I think the Spurs would respect Paul's wishes if he wants to go somewhere else, and agree that we prob won't get any assets for him (probably be waived).

Time will tell...hope he sticks around but he came to play so I don't think he would like coming off the bench

It's not about assets. It's about using his salary as ballast to make another deal. I want them to stand pat, but if Paul wants out, I'd prefer they package him with seconds for a rotation player. Then the next team can waive him.

[BatManu20]

Idk, I could see CP3 wanting to go back home to LA to be with his family if he's not going to start for us tbh. Maybe go play with Luka and Lebron or back to reunite with the Clippers. He's on record talking about how it's been tough being away from his family and he really only signed with us to begin with because we were the only team willing to offer him $10.5M for one season of play tbh.

[mudyez]

Damn...just watched some highlights Fox. I really didn't know he was that good of a dunker. Always fewed him more of a little bigger TP.

[LeBowen]

Top contenders don't need CP3.
The only CP3 trade that would make sense for both him and Spurs would be CP3 for Mitchell Robinson straight up.
But even then, he's not a Thibs player.

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Robinson who's going to be back after the all-star break and see if Spurs can keep him healthy. Great player when he's available.
If it fails, he'll be on an expiring $12M contract next season.

[Spurs Homer]

I think CP3 might go ring chasing and it makes sense with Fox coming in. He’s worth keeping around solely for this free throws percentage to close out games.

Im always baffled when i read ^ this from many many posters here....

I mean, nba players are prideful and competitive and it leads me to believe that Paul is taking ownership of his work and sees Fox as just helping the spurs (and himself) to be able to chase a ring here - right fucking now -

not saying the spurs are the favorites or anything - but I hope paul is trying to win now- with the spurs and somewhere inside he believes this spurs team can fight and claw to a title...i hope he believes that and i know wemby does...

[TekXX]

Yea i don't get it either, why do people want to send CP3 away to ring chase. It's like people think he's too good to stay in SA so let him fly away and be happy. Naw he signed here let him finish the season besides we kinda need him.

[T Park]

yup.. castle is a ball dominant player at this stage. he can't defend sgs either, so... why try


lol he wut

[LeBowen]

lol he wut

Raven has a raging hate boner for Castle, don't engage him.

[Dex]

Yea i don't get it either, why do people want to send CP3 away to ring chase. It's like people think he's too good to stay in SA so let him fly away and be happy. Naw he signed here let him finish the season besides we kinda need him.

It's the "classy" thing to do.

CP3 could've gone ring chasing any number of places, but he came here on a good deal for one reason...he wanted minutes. He wanted to play and feel like he was having an impact. And he has done his job in coaching this team, ESPECIALLY considering Pop's absence.

It was always in the cards that he could be moved by the trade deadline, and now the Spurs have (thankfully) picked up a player which makes him kinda redundant.

I don't WANT to send him away and hope he stays, but the Spurs owe him that respect if he is truly unhappy.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/473044699_906291575041421_1971895919247592812_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=0y3oj6EQfuAQ7kNvgF4Z7pw&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&_nc_gid=A1p3ZMfVC1CwYcXWyzVOEii&oh=00_AYCWkaLX0O-SNUDAB6joxCb1Ht0G_WIiaQyrwtFU0KfXjQ&oe=67A6AF39

[Spurs Homer]

It's the "classy" thing to do.

CP3 could've gone ring chasing any number of places, but he came here on a good deal for one reason...he wanted minutes. He wanted to play and feel like he was having an impact. And he has done his job in coaching this team, ESPECIALLY considering Pop's absence.

It was always in the cards that he could be moved by the trade deadline, and now the Spurs have (thankfully) picked up a player which makes him kinda redundant, so...while I don't like just giving things away for nothing, the Spurs owe him that respect if he is truly unhappy.


I must have missed that presser where the spurs confirmed this ^

unless you just made it all up and now use that as your founding logic for the rest of your opinion...

link?

[Dex]

I must have missed that presser where the spurs confirmed this ^

unless you just made it all up and now use that as your founding logic for the rest of your opinion...

link?

You must have missed all of the conversation that has happened over the last 6 months, so...congratulations, you've just been clued in.

[DPG21920]

I can see PHX, DEN, MEM, CLIPS and some others valuing CP3. Just have to see how it shakes out

[Spurs Homer]

You must have missed all of the conversation that has happened over the last 6 months, so...congratulations, you've just been clued in.

oh yeah...
you mean all the other posters that - in their minds - decided paul was only a rental until the trade deadline and then argued over that false premise?

yup

[Spurs Homer]

I can see PHX, DEN, MEM, CLIPS and some others valuing CP3. Just have to see how it shakes out


call me naive...

but i see all those teams with about the same chance as the spurs in the playoffs...

i would even guess that the spurs will go farther in the playoffs than at least one of those "contenders"

[Seventyniner]

I would much rather keep CP3 than trade him for a bench wing upgrade. CP3's mentorship has been invaluable.

[Rocalcio]

CP3 came off the bench last year

And that’s why he left

[stephen jackson]

so happy

[DPG21920]

I would much rather keep CP3 than trade him for a bench wing upgrade. CP3's mentorship has been invaluable.

Agree but this is a situation where SA likely does what CP wants as long as it doesnt hurt their cap at all etc…which I think is the right call. But hopefully CP is cool staying and just playing out the year. That would be best

[Dex]

oh yeah...
you mean all the other posters that - in their minds - decided paul was only a rental until the trade deadline and then argued over that false premise?

yup

And what, exactly...are your credentials?

[DPG21920]

1886472608608399724

[thiste]

So we have our Tim Duncan, now we have our Tony Parker... still need our Manu Ginobili!

Or is it going to be Castle?

[LeBowen]

So we have our Tim Duncan, now we have our Tony Parker... still need our Manu Ginobili!

Or is it going to be Castle?

Fox is left-handed, Tony+Manu in one, tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

And what, exactly...are your credentials?

no different than yours!

[Dex]

no different than yours!

Cool, so we are on the same page and just talking about the Spurs

[MannyIsGod]

I can see PHX, DEN, MEM, CLIPS and some others valuing CP3. Just have to see how it shakes out

Trading him to PHX would be kinda hilarious.

[lefty]

1886472608608399724

Well, shit

[MannyIsGod]

1886472608608399724

Damn, I already love this kid. Hope we retire #2 for Fox one day and not for busted ass knee.

[lefty]

Anyone know relationship / history between Pop and Fox?
They have a classy relationship

[Chinook]

1886472608608399724

Was low-key assuming the Spurs would try to retire Kawhi's number eventually. I wonder if Fox could play well enough to eventually warrant 2 being hung up in his honor instead

[MannyIsGod]

Was low-key assuming the Spurs would try to retire Kawhi's number eventually. I wonder if Fox could play well enough to eventually warrant 2 being hung up in his honor instead

https://youtu.be/yFEXYKIvpfQ?si=nyG-DuKyYzmYU_nE&t=120

[Seventyniner]

Fox is left-handed, Tony+Manu in one, tbh.

All the more reason Fox should have picked jersey #29.

[Spurs Homer]

Cool, so we are on the same page and just talking about the Spurs

absolutely...

neither one of us knows if chris paul ever considered his spurs signing as a 6 month rental...and some kind of a promise was made to him to ring-chase...

or if paul is just a regular guy that wants to win wherever he is...

[objective]

#2 .... Oh, our beloved nephew, the prodigal sobrino ... Never to return ....

The Nephew Saga has now officially turned it's last page

Now starts the FOX TUAH saga

[Davidicus]

Love the #2. Time to come full circle and right the wrongs.

[SpursGenius]

What a trade. Basically everybody was wrong about the package, in a good way, because price was so low. Thank you Mavs
The trade wasn’t a fleece it was where it needed to be. Most dumbfucks on here were overbidding for him. I was saying Charlotte and Chicago picks with Collins tre and and Keldon all along. They actually gave a lot more than I thought they would. Keldon not worth spurs 27 and minny 31. But again I’m ok with trade as we get fox 1.5 years early. He will be a great fit.

[stephen jackson]

nice erase that history!

[Dverde]

#2 is good choice if he wants to be Wemby’s Robin.

[Splits]

1886472608608399724

Sweet. And we kept Keldumb so we got the 210 in force!

[BatManu20]

1886472183204950263

[Mugen]

That #2 is clean baby

[Mugen]

Trade not yet official, Chicago has to create two roster spots.

1886404784728748047

[mo7888]

So, when is he available to play? Any news on that yet?

[stephen jackson]

Trade not yet official, Chicago has to create two roster spots.

1886404784728748047
thats not good

[thiste]

Was low-key assuming the Spurs would try to retire Kawhi's number eventually. I wonder if Fox could play well enough to eventually warrant 2 being hung up in his honor instead
Let's sincerely hope that's the case.

[spurs1990]

Apologies to The great Jaren Jackson Sr

[FlAVaK]

So Ace Bailey in the draft confirmed

#1 Wemby
#2 Fox
#3 Paul
#4 Bailey
#5 Castle

[LeBowen]

They're maybe looking to trade away a couple more players before they cut deadweight.
If they can get a SRP for Tre, they'd rather cut the useless player they get in return.

And who knows what will the return for Vucevic be, maybe another expiring contract.

[DAF86]

1886472608608399724

Called it :hat

I guess Cooper will need to find another number next season.

[SpursGenius]

Keep your fingers away from Keldon!
Best thing besides having this great trade, was to see Keldon staying...his last press conference broke my heart.
Dude is great for tanking. Not a plus player. I would trade him and Spurs 26 frp for Cam Smith. I would trade Vassel and spurs 28 frp for Jon Collins.

Wemby 21 yo
Castle 20 yo
Fox 27 yo
Collins 27 yo
Cam 27 yo

extend the bottom three after next year you have a dynasty. With many frps (quality Atlanta picks and swaps to add other good players ).

[Mugen]

thats not good

Should be wrapped up soon. I'm assuming Chicago will look into re-routing some guys.

If anything, it might mean that Fox doesn't suit up until post deadline this weekend.

[dbestpro]

Paul will start with Fox. Castle will come off the bench or play wing (SF).

[BatManu20]

Trade not yet official, Chicago has to create two roster spots.

1886404784728748047

Imagine it fell through last minute :lol. It won't, but would be hilarious tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Imagine it fell through last minute :lol. It won't, but would be hilarious tbh.

If need be, Spurs or Sacto can step in and reroute someone.

[baseline bum]

Should be wrapped up soon. I'm assuming Chicago will look into re-routing some guys.

If anything, it might mean that Fox doesn't suit up until post deadline this weekend.

Damn was looking forward to seeing Fox on Friday

[spurraider21]

Was low-key assuming the Spurs would try to retire Kawhi's number eventually.
https://media.tenor.com/dCIwUXKrAo8AAAAM/why-are-you-the-way-you-are-the-office.gif

[Obstructed_View]

So nobody can suit up for either team until Chicago makes room? Never heard of that before.

[spurraider21]

So nobody can suit up for either team until Chicago makes room? Never heard of that before.
the trade cant actually go through until chicago creates the roster space necessary to take on all of collins/tre/huerter

[montgod]

So nobody can suit up for either team until Chicago makes room? Never heard of that before.

They have 20 players currently with the trades. They need to get to legal nba roster limit before trade can be finalized so 2 players gotta go by trade or waiving them. Essentially, no trade has happened until this occurs and NBA ratifies trade.

[NASpurs]

Anyone else getting tearyeyed thinking about the upcoming Zollins tribute video?

[lefty]

Apologies to The great Jaren Jackson Sr
1999 JJS is a legend

[Pauleta14]

Top contenders don't need CP3.
The only CP3 trade that would make sense for both him and Spurs would be CP3 for Mitchell Robinson straight up.
But even then, he's not a Thibs player.

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Robinson who's going to be back after the all-star break and see if Spurs can keep him healthy. Great player when he's available.
If it fails, he'll be on an expiring $12M contract next season.

I realize I agree with most of your posts LeBowen.

I hope I'm not offending you :lol

[lefty]

Anyone else getting tearyeyed thinking about the upcoming Zollins tribute video?

It’s already online

https://youtu.be/EsSLPpEd5TE?si=GlMZLvwkLDC7H67p

[spurs1990]

So Ace Bailey in the draft confirmed

#1 Wemby
#2 Fox
#3 Paul
#4 Bailey
#5 Castle

Shiiiidd why stop at Bailey. Imagine San Antonio winning 1st and 2nd overall picks

[NASpurs]

It’s already online

https://youtu.be/EsSLPpEd5TE?si=GlMZLvwkLDC7H67p

lefty please, this is a serious topic for a fan favorite

https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Zach-Collins-1024x563.jpg

[ffadicted]

Dude is great for tanking. Not a plus player. I would trade him and Spurs 26 frp for Cam Smith. I would trade Vassel and spurs 28 frp for Jon Collins.

Wemby 21 yo
Castle 20 yo
Fox 27 yo
Collins 27 yo
Cam 27 yo

extend the bottom three after next year you have a dynasty. With many frps (quality Atlanta picks and swaps to add other good players ).

'26 FRP is a swap with Atlanta, I wouldn't even pick up the phone if any of those 3 atlanta assets need to be on the table right now.

[BatManu20]

Anyone else getting tearyeyed thinking about the upcoming Zollins tribute video?

Well it won't involve any scoring highlights so I fully expect it to just be him starting fights with people and waving his towel around on the sidelines.

[SpursGenius]

'26 FRP is a swap with Atlanta, I wouldn't even pick up the phone if any of those 3 atlanta assets need to be on the table right now.
my bad. then shop our 28 and 29. For Collins and Cam

[Spurs Brazil]

Jeff McDonald‬ ‪@jmcdonaldsa.bsky.social‬
·
2h
De'Aaron Fox is slated for a physical today in San Antonio. If all goes well, he is likely to join the Spurs tomorrow in Atlanta.

Whether he makes his Spurs debut Wednesday against the Hawks or later on the Rodeo Road Trip is still TBD.

[Leetonidas]

Was just gonna say, spurs social media finally said something so looks like it's official

[timtonymanu]

Well it won't involve any scoring highlights so I fully expect it to just be him starting fights with people and waving his towel around on the sidelines.

I’m just imagining a montage of him being scored on in the paint.

[lefty]

official

https://x.com/spurs/status/1886514483100836159

[NASpurs]

official

https://x.com/spurs/status/1886514483100836159

Good to see Derrick White in a Spurs uni again. He's been missed.

[LeBowen]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi48cX2W8AItNCd.jpg

[GoSpurs99]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFn8wMRSTFq/?igsh=MTBodzRkaW13dGU2Yw==

Can’t get the link to work.

[Splits]

the trade cant actually go through until chicago creates the roster space necessary to take on all of collins/tre/huerter

I found this video explaining the intricacies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) of the trade and roster space, interesting watch, can't believe Fox will be so helpful

[MannyIsGod]

I got tickets to see the Spurs next Monday in DC so lets get Fox on the court ASAP lol

[Joseph Kony]

Chicago waived Chris Duarte and Torrey Craig, trade is official

apparently they were talking to Milwaukee about a Lavine trade when SA approached them

[CGD]

Good to see Derrick White in a Spurs uni again. He's been missed.

Is this guy any good?

Also are Duarte and Craig, who the Bulls just cut, serviceable?

[rjv]

couldn't be happier with what was sent out. some of these ST fools were ready to ship out a potential rookie of the year and ATL's pick for this year.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi48cX2W8AItNCd.jpg


https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:640x,quality:90x75/images/8d030ceec27554bbd87cb9fd6aa0ac54b2c46c7e81f65a61e8 3927e3361d7ef9_1.jpg

[Mr. Body]

Crazy how Duarte fell off. Sometimes older draftees are just as good as they'll ever be. Some exceptions like Derrick.

[mo7888]

Is this guy any good?

Also are Duarte and Craig, who the Bulls just cut, serviceable?

Duarte can shoot (kinda streaky) Craig used to be a serviceable player. I don't think either really fit here.

[NASpurs]

https://youtu.be/DEcI90XrBlg?si=S_YIj8b21vJc81AS

https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Zach-Collins-1024x563.jpg

[Leetonidas]

https://youtu.be/DEcI90XrBlg?si=S_YIj8b21vJc81AS

https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Zach-Collins-1024x563.jpg

Dudes been riding the pine ever since that happened:lmao death knell for his spurs career

[scott]

so... the bulls gave up their best scorer/player in exchange for zollins/tre/huerter. clearly they're going into full tank mode.

which begs the question of why the pick mattered so much to them. by trading away levine... they were committing to getting themselves a top 10 pick this year. they're expected to move vucevic too. they're probably going to be awful next year as well, so they were already planning to get a top 8 pick next year as well. so maybe, maybe they are on the upswing and want to win some games in the 26/27 season, such that the pick would have conveyed. they got at BEST, a #9 overall pick in 2027 out of this. really seems like any other pick would have been more valuable than getting their own back

Sorry if this has been answered already, I'm just catching up... one factor is that by getting the pick back it opens up their tradeable picks. Without having that pick back, if they wanted to send out FRPs it would have to be those picks who's timing is based on another pick conveying (IIRC, this CHI25 was one of those to begin with)

[LeBowen]

https://i.redd.it/2cvp5ud5ozge1.jpeg

I can only imagine the amount of butt clenching he and Keldon did when the news broke out. :lol

[Maddog]

Atlanta Wed
Probably to soon
Thought about DC a while back in addition to Atlanta

[John B]

1886472608608399724

That takes Kawhi’s jersey ever getting retired :lol

[spurraider21]

Chicago waived Chris Duarte and Torrey Craig, trade is official

apparently they were talking to Milwaukee about a Lavine trade when SA approached them
bulls were trying to find teams to throw them second rounders to take those guys in and had no takers, so just waived them to get the show on the road

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUYyg4PlXmc

Tbh, the thing I'm looking forward to the most is his open floor speed, I'm sick of Spurs fucking up easy fastbreaks.

[Maddog]

That takes Kawhi’s jersey ever getting retired :lol

Toronto will do it

[spurraider21]

Sorry if this has been answered already, I'm just catching up... one factor is that by getting the pick back it opens up their tradeable picks. Without having that pick back, if they wanted to send out FRPs it would have to be those picks who's timing is based on another pick conveying (IIRC, this CHI25 was one of those to begin with)
are they really looking to trade their picks in the next couple of years? they're tanking. and they traded for picks that they were tanking to keep anyway. from an optimistic point of view, they made this trade so that by the time they have become decent in 26-27, they will keep their pick in the teens in the 27 draft

dont get me wrong, im happy they agreed to give up Lavine for that... but it just seems like a very low value pick for them to be caring about

[RC_Drunkford]

https://youtu.be/DEcI90XrBlg?si=S_YIj8b21vJc81AS

https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Zach-Collins-1024x563.jpg


Zach Collins will forever be grateful to the Spurs for gifting him 50 million dollars which he never would‘ve gotten anywhere else

[scott]

https://i.redd.it/2cvp5ud5ozge1.jpeg

I can only imagine the amount of butt clenching he and Keldon did when the news broke out. :lol

Devin asking "Who's gonna stop Wemby and Fox?" then taking a moment to reflect and come to the conclusion "It's me"

[scott]

are they really looking to trade their picks in the next couple of years? they're tanking. and they traded for picks that they were tanking to keep anyway. from an optimistic point of view, they made this trade so that by the time they have become decent in 26-27, they will keep their pick in the teens in the 27 draft

dont get me wrong, im happy they agreed to give up Lavine for that... but it just seems like a very low value pick for them to be caring about

I mean, CHI barely operates at above Nico Harrison-levels, I'm just adding the additional context :lol

If they landed Flagg this year and then caught some other breaks... hey, maybe they'd need to trade that pick in 27 or 28 (neither of which would be possible otherwise). Unlikely, but it's not nothing.

[Dejounte]

Devin asking "Who's gonna stop Wemby and Fox?" then taking a moment to reflect and come to the conclusion "It's me"

Oh man i laughed at loud at this one

your enmity towards Vassell is like Homer towards Flanders or Michael Scott towards Toby

[Russ]

That takes Kawhi’s jersey ever getting retired :lol

:flag:


Toronto will do it

Has there ever been a player in the Hall of Fame whose number was never retired by any of the teams he played on?

Upping the ante, a player each of whose teams then announced they did not want him to be clothed in their jersey in the HOF?

[scott]

Oh man i laughed at loud at this one

your enmity towards Vassell is like Homer towards Flanders or Michael Scott towards Toby

Still waiting for our reverse jinx plot to work. C'mon Devin... make me look stupid!

[BatManu20]

Devin asking "Who's gonna stop Wemby and Fox?" then taking a moment to reflect and come to the conclusion "It's me"

:lol

[Teamduncan21]

are they really looking to trade their picks in the next couple of years? they're tanking. and they traded for picks that they were tanking to keep anyway. from an optimistic point of view, they made this trade so that by the time they have become decent in 26-27, they will keep their pick in the teens in the 27 draft

dont get me wrong, im happy they agreed to give up Lavine for that... but it just seems like a very low value pick for them to be caring about

They can only access the picks if they tank. They would prefer not to tank for 3 years. They can't trade picks til 2028. If they become mediocre by drafting a good pick. Picks goes to sppurs. So they either have to tank or to become good. For 3 years.

[LeBowen]

Has there ever been a player in the Hall of Fame whose number was never retired by any of the teams he played on?


Obviously.
Artis Gilmore is the first one that comes to my mind without even looking it up.

[BatManu20]

My one silver lining with Devin is that he's still only 24. Some guys just take a little longer to figure it out. Hopefully in the next year or two (if he's still on the team) he'll break out and start playing like he's capable cause if he can't do that while playing alongside talents like Wemby and Fox who are going to generate more open looks for him, then he doesn't need to be a Spur tbh.

[Mugen]

Devin asking "Who's gonna stop Wemby and Fox?" then taking a moment to reflect and come to the conclusion "It's me"

:lol

[Russ]

Obviously.
Artis Gilmore is the first one that comes to my mind without even looking it up.

Ya got me.

I take it the A-Train's number was never retired by any of his teams.

But remember, the prime of his career was spent with the Kentucky Colonels, who were/are in no position to retire anyone's number (just in a position to make a whole lotta dough by watching the NBA pay them an annuity almost forever).

[Mal]

are they really looking to trade their picks in the next couple of years? they're tanking. and they traded for picks that they were tanking to keep anyway. from an optimistic point of view, they made this trade so that by the time they have become decent in 26-27, they will keep their pick in the teens in the 27 draft

dont get me wrong, im happy they agreed to give up Lavine for that... but it just seems like a very low value pick for them to be caring about

They dropped huge amount of money from roster, that was going nowhere. Big win for cheap ownership

[Mal]

https://i.redd.it/2cvp5ud5ozge1.jpeg

I can only imagine the amount of butt clenching he and Keldon did when the news broke out. :lol

I like to see Vassell not forcing of dribble shots anymore, as 2nd unit go to play. I was fined trading his ass, but I am fine him staying.

[Dejounte]

Still waiting for our reverse jinx plot to work. C'mon Devin... make me look stupid!
As we found out yesterday, it only works when the thread reaches 100 pages

[lefty]

Good to see Derrick White in a Spurs uni again. He's been missed.
:lol fuck I posted the wrong tweet

[benefactor]

Devin asking "Who's gonna stop Wemby and Fox?" then taking a moment to reflect and come to the conclusion "It's me"
:lol

[Robz4000]

Devin asking "Who's gonna stop Wemby and Fox?" then taking a moment to reflect and come to the conclusion "It's me"

:rollin

[Seventyniner]

As we found out yesterday, it only works when the thread reaches 100 pages

Quick, start a "rumors say Trey Murphy wants to be a Spur" thread and we will pump it to 100 pages by tonight.

[John B]

My one silver lining with Devin is that he's still only 24. Some guys just take a little longer to figure it out. Hopefully in the next year or two (if he's still on the team) he'll break out and start playing like he's capable cause if he can't do that while playing alongside talents like Wemby and Fox who are going to generate more open looks for him, then he doesn't need to be a Spur tbh.

Agree. During the Big 3 era, players didn’t have to do outside the box. They were specialist, and that’s why they’re good at what they did, Bruce, Malik, Tiago, Green.. Devin at times was forcing it creating errors. Having enough talent from Wemby, Fox, CP3, Barnes should allow Devin, like others to just do what they do best and slowly grow within the system. There may come a time when Devin possibly develop into a better version of himself hopefully, while some are just going to stay as role players, and it’s okay.

[John B]

My one silver lining with Devin is that he's still only 24. Some guys just take a little longer to figure it out. Hopefully in the next year or two (if he's still on the team) he'll break out and start playing like he's capable cause if he can't do that while playing alongside talents like Wemby and Fox who are going to generate more open looks for him, then he doesn't need to be a Spur tbh.

Agree. During the Big 3 era, players didn’t have to do outside the box. They were specialist, and that’s why they’re good at what they did, Bruce, Malik, Tiago, Green.. Devin at times was forcing it creating errors. Having enough talent from Wemby, Fox, CP3, Barnes should allow Devin, like others to just do what they do best and slowly grow within the system. There may come a time when Devin possibly develop into a better version of himself hopefully, while some are just going to stay as role players, and it’s okay.

[Joseph Kony]

so is Fox wearing #2 or #4? I checked the spurs fan shop earlier and his #2 jersey was already there. looked again just now and it says #4

[Seventyniner]

so is Fox wearing #2 or #4? I checked the spurs fan shop earlier and his #2 jersey was already there. looked again just now and it says #4

I just looked and saw #4 too.

Oh hell naw.

[LeBowen]

https://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs-acquire-deaaron-fox-and-jordan-mclaughlin


Fox will wear No. 2 for the Spurs and McLaughlin will wear No. 11.





Why would they allow McL to take a legend's number?

[scott]

so is Fox wearing #2 or #4? I checked the spurs fan shop earlier and his #2 jersey was already there. looked again just now and it says #4

Pop called in from the nursing home: "That's not who we are. #2 is off limits"

[Seventyniner]

https://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs-acquire-deaaron-fox-and-jordan-mclaughlin

Why would they allow McL to take a legend's number?

No kidding!

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/52086595/photo/mike-wilks-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-moves-the-ball-during-the-game-with-the-washington-wizards.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=l19S3FuVmxg6sDCgzO6nE7ANjwJPNzWx1_s0LQMja74=

[Mugen]

You can take Nephews #. But don't your dare take prime Danny Green's tbh.

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/8qlnD2Gq24E?si=99JvcdB0mBIvtsqK

[heyheymymy]

Devin asking "Who's gonna stop Wemby and Fox?" then taking a moment to reflect and come to the conclusion "It's me"

thanks for the laugh. that post was so horribly sequenced it's like unintended comedy. You can almost picture the pause and then just gotta knock them down lol

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/DonHarris4/status/1886560607354094044

[TD 21]

- As much as this was a no-brainer, until this team gets more shooting + another solid big, I'm not sure they'll be markedly better in the interim (especially with Fox not 100%).

- Since the Kings added needed shooting and LaVine is having the better season, expect the hot take artists rush to judgement proclaiming this a "win" for them/"loss for the Spurs, when in reality they've resigned themselves to being a treadmill team and the Spurs, with further tweaks, significantly improved their ceiling.

- If they ever actually do add shooting or occasionally play full lineups with it, the Fox-Wembanyama p-n-r will be unstoppable.

- The last time this team had credible lead guard play was Parker-Ginobili in '14. Think about that.

- Between Fox, Vassell and Castle, the days of expending significant assets on the back court are over. Wing-forward is now the primary need.

- If Paul is not interested in finishing the season in a diminished role for a non contender, Castle will run point in the non Fox minutes, with Bassey/Mamukelashvili filling the rotation spot.

- Castle's role/fit going forward is now the most interesting subplot surrounding this team.

- I wonder what fringe C will be brought in to fill the open roster spot.



Hope you're doing well bro :toast

Yeah Wright's track record in multiple trades over the years speaks for itself. He really got more out of a fake borderline All-Star star than the Mavs did with a Top 3-4, MVP caliber player-- and that's without counting the knock-on effect of that trade in setting up the franchise for the next 10-15 years.

Well, I'm better than I was and same to you.

[LeBowen]

Damn, I guess we have to stay classy.

De'Aaron Fo' it is.
Maybe he'll get an offer from this guy:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_XvpNkuIZU8/maxresdefault.jpg

[scott]

Damn, I guess we have to stay classy.

De'Aaron Fo' it is.
Maybe he'll get an offer from this guy:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_XvpNkuIZU8/maxresdefault.jpg

True story, when we moved from San Antonio to MA, it somehow got to these guys that my kids loved his commercials and he sent me a full on swag bag of 444 shit. T-shirts, bandanas, masks (this was during covid), stickers, etc. :lol

[100%duncan]

I'm assuming everyone's on the same boat that we'd rather keep CP3 (I even want him until next year) if he is ok with having a lesser role. If he wants out though, I 100% expectwe do right by him.

[spurraider21]

officially officially official

shows up on the league transaction wire

https://i.gyazo.com/562f3635114fd3b159f7976a25f47df5.png

[johnnymoore]

Highway fucking robbery. Congrats.

[spurraider21]

so there's no area 51, but something with Star Fox has to work with the Alien

[BatManu20]

1886574892289507468

[Ice009]

I don't see why the Spurs would retire the number, though, as there can't be much fan reception for them to do so. Would fans turn up? Would kawhi turn up ;)?

[mudyez]

https://x.com/DonHarris4/status/1886560607354094044

So she died?

timvp can you confirm?

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi51cgmXsAABkUj?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi51fzpWAAAj7Pe?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Dex]

I'm kinda glad he didn't choose #2. Too much PTSD there, do your own thing Fox!

:cry it still hurts :cry

[PhantomDashCam]

Born to wear the Silver and Black. LFG!!!