Grade: Spurs Trade for De'Aaron Fox

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/grades-spurs-deaaron-fox-trade/

Better than I could have hoped, tbh :wakeup

[Mal]

This is A+ trade

[LeBowen]

Got Fox and timvp resurrection in the same trade?
A+

[polandprzem]

Occasional poster timvp with the thread

[polandprzem]

THe spurs got first player that can create for himself. I'd say it's a good trade. Still Spurs are very small and playing CP, Castle and Fox in the same lineup...

[RC_Drunkford]

TimVP is alive? :wow

I'd say A+ too

[Robz4000]

:cry he lives :cry

[cutewizard]

Thank you good Sir.......

[Baam]

"But, again, the Spurs were able to pull off the trade without giving away any of their young, up-and-coming players" Lul like it's a positive... Aside from Castle they're not worth much is all.

[onechance87]

Damn good trade...Now hope we can bring in a back up big man.

[benefactor]

:cry he lives :cry
:cry:cry:cry

[Limguogolo]

Nice addition. An all-star. But I still think we need a HOF for the PG position. Fox is a kind of Tony Parker, fast, good at mid-range and penetration, bad at three points, which is crucial in modern BB, especially in a team lacking efficiency in this area. I even think he's less serious in defense than #9 (even if his interceptions will generate easy points on the counter-attack).

This would be an important contribution coming off the bench in a top team (which the Spurs are not yet).

In the short term, this is quite unexpected, in the medium and long term, we will have to see if Castle will have the stature to be this HOF in the PG position.

Perhaps the most important point is that he wanted to come to San Antonio, but unlike others, in addition to wanting to play with Victor, he has personal reasons for it, which could limit the risks to see him whining in the long term future to demand roster status or a prohibitive contract.

(Very sad for our Spanish-speaking French. He's still very young. Hope he'll find his 3%)

If we consider the historical lack of attractiveness of Spurs on the FA market and the reluctance to trade, this remains, despite my reservations on the player for the long term, an exceptional addition and an unexpected opportunity (even for Collins salary...). Good job.

Grade: Aa-ron-age just beginning.

[LeBowen]

bad at three points

Over the past 2.5 seasons Fox is shooting just 1% worse from 3pt on identical volume as Devin Booker.

[heyheymymy]

For it is written "and on the third trade he will come again in glory to judge the deal"

[heyheymymy]

What blows my mind is how we got Fox without giving up key players AND still have two 2025 FRPs for the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes.

Seeing both of those around 10th worst right now with ATL plummeting makes me surprised other teams in the deal somehow lacked the leverage to pry one or both 2025 FRPs away from SA at the very least

[alfredbird]

This trade is a clear A+ to me.

[99 Problems]

:bobo:bobo:toast:toast

[Big Empty]

That one missing peice now is a reboundibg big man that can score. When Wemby is on the bench there’s no defense or rebounding. We’ll have two draft picks this year to fix that if not through a trade

[Chomag]

Would this be the biggest named allstar player traded to the Spurs since the Spurs traded for Terry Cummings?

Other then some free agent signings I honestly can't think of anyone else.

[John B]

Welcome back Timvp! I’ll give A++ for not losing any key players and key picks.

But are we done yet? Keldon plus picks for Myles Turner maybe? Who’s next?

[John B]

Would this be the biggest named allstar player traded to the Spurs since the Spurs traded for Terry Cummings?

Other then some free agent signings I honestly can't think of anyone else.

Elliott for Rodman

[KingKev]

Spurstalk manifested this trade into reality!

[twincam]

I have to be honest and say that I have no idea who this Fox guy is. I have not been following the league since The Big 3 left. I hope it’s good. Was a Castle involved in the trade

[LeBowen]

I have to be honest and say that I have no idea who this fox guy is. I have not been following the league since The Big 3 left. I hope it’s good. Was a castle involved in the trade?

He's a left-handed, taller Tony Parker.
Everyone relevant is still on the roster.

[timtonymanu]

He didn’t died.

[ffadicted]

"But, again, the Spurs were able to pull off the trade without giving away any of their young, up-and-coming players" Lul like it's a positive... Aside from Castle they're not worth much is all.

Even if you somehow don’t think Vassell Sochan or Keldon have any value in our future rotation, you’d be silly to believe they also have little to no value in the trade market. Keeping all 3 was a massive win one way or another.

[RC_Drunkford]

I have to be honest and say that I have no idea who this fox guy is. I have not been following the league since The Big 3 left. I hope it’s good. Was a castle involved in the trade?

he scored 109 points in 2 games this season

[cjw]

Even if you somehow don’t think Vassell Sochan or Keldon have any value in our future rotation, you’d be silly to believe they also have little to no value in the trade market. Keeping all 3 was a massive win one way or another.

This … you don’t need to love any of these guys. It’s the fact that someone else may covet them in a trade and they have contract values (two of them at least) that can be valuable in matching. The Spurs kept 80% of their powder dry in a trade for a top 25 guy. They have plenty of it for the next move whatever it may be - either this season or in the offseason.

[Arguendo]

Obviously great trade for us, imo only gave up 1 real potential asset being the 2031 Minny pick which was the center piece of this deal. The '27 is literally the lowest value Spurs pick because Wemby + Fox will be prime and we still have the Atlanta '27, won't need two 1sts. The Bulls pick was likely to convey in the 9-15 range in '26 or '27, but we have picks both years. The Charlotte pick two seconds. We have dozens of 2nds which we often sale on draft day, so happy we are starting to put them to use. Collins was negative value, Tre + Siddy simply took up roster space with Fox on board. Great deal.

"But, again, the Spurs were able to pull off the trade without giving away any of their young, up-and-coming players" Lul like it's a positive... Aside from Castle they're not worth much is all.

Great point! Sochan is absolute trash, any G-leaguer can avg 12/7.5/2.6/1 in 27mgp with extreme d versatility while fighting through injuries; may as well cut Champ and Bassey, no one would want 11/4/2 w/ above avg 3% in 25.5 or 4.5/4.5/1 in 11mpg locked into minimum deals. Pretty much worthless, trash
Or maybe Champagnie and Sochan have actual NBA value to nearly every team in the league as bona fide rotation players who can start or come off the bench and soak up 25-30+ min in any given game.

I know critical thinking is hard and its fun to be a short-sighted jackass, but any chance that Vassell looks better playing the #3 option or Sochan as the #5? Any chance Sochan, Keldon, Bassey and the rest of the bench play better with Paul leading the second unit instead of Tre?
Adding Fox as the #2 guy slots anyone down, will generate more and better looks from the 3, and let Paul carry the load and setup the 2nd unit the way he has been for the first unit, where he has elevated everyone. Some guys won't improve, but there's a good chance several have significantly more value come the offseason compared to yesterday due to Fox and the shift in roles.
& maybe sometimes 21, 22, 23, 24 year-olds improve with better talent around them and more appropriate roles.

[ginobilized]

A+ Trade, no question.

This will change the landscape for the other 3 starters, I believe. Fox is a player that requires a defensive game plan. No one outside of Wemby was getting that kind of attention on a nightly basis. Vassell and Castle should feast once they settle in together. Fox can beat most NBA players one on one and get to the hoop, that will cause new problems for opposing defenses. Can't wait to see this unfold.

Next items are a rebounding, defensive big when Wemby sits and an elite 3pt shooter or two.

[Bill_Brasky]

Does it still hurt?

[Strategic]

Bettering the team. I especially like that Fox comes in on top of team, outside of Vic. Should be a wake-up call for Vassell, KJ and Champ. One of these 3 inconsistent amigos will lose considerable PT, unless they go ahead and trade one of them for some front court help. Thanks for the good thoughts.

[mo7888]

A+ Trade, no question.

This will change the landscape for the other 3 starters, I believe. Fox is a player that requires a defensive game plan. No one outside of Wemby was getting that kind of attention on a nightly basis. Vassell and Castle should feast once they settle in together. Fox can beat most NBA players one on one and get to the hoop, that will cause new problems for opposing defenses. Can't wait to see this unfold.

Next items are a rebounding, defensive big when Wemby sits and an elite 3pt shooter or two.

You can find the big on the buyout market or in a small trade using 2nd's you can get two shooters in the draft and one of them should be Sergio De Larrea who's 6'6" and hitting 47% from 3. It doesn't hurt that he's a secondary ballhander type who can play PG minutes when needed.

[Kevin]

This summer the Spurs need to make a run at Lauri. Ainge wont be motivated to sell like the Kings or Mavs so if the Spurs really want him it going to be at full price. He'd be the perfect third star.

[ginobilized]

This summer the Spurs need to make a run at Lauri. Ainge wont be motivated to sell like the Kings or Mavs so if the Spurs really want him it going to be at full price. He'd be the perfect third star.

IF the Jazz land Flagg, I could easily see the Markkanen Market open for business.

[Kevin]

IF the Jazz land Flagg, I could easily see the Markkanen Market open for business.

Future PF rankings.

1. Flagg
2. Lauri
3. Zion

Castle/Fox/Sochan don’t fit together. One of them as to be replaced and it ain’t Castle or Fox.

[Mugen]

It's almost poetic that the biggest trade in Spurs history is overshadowed by some Lakers BS :lol

[J.T.]

Looks like the Race for Seis is back on the menu, boys!

[baseline bum]

IF the Jazz land Flagg, I could easily see the Markkanen Market open for business.

I don't think they're gonna trade him. Markannen is one of the few players who likes Utah and doesn't want out and they're tanking fine with him.

[rjv]

welcome back from the dead, timvp.

[R. DeMurre]

Nice balanced analysis, Timvp. I'm not even a huge fan of Fox, but it's still an A grade for me for the trade. At best, he fits well with Wemby (and Wemby raises Fox's efficiency) despite the relative slight shortcomings of below average 3pt%, FT%, and TS% and surprisingly average impact stats (career average 111 ORtg/115 DRtg, career average BPM of +0.9, career average of +0.6 on/off +/-), and at worst he's a great trade piece in the future. Any way you look at it, this is a great trade.

[Godbama]

This forum needs a thread that's a dedicated TEMPLE TO KARNISOVAS and the Bulls/Kings front offices. Thank you guys for always being there for us Spurs fans through thick (like luka) and thin.

[Mr. Body]

I wasn't a huge Fox fan and think he's overall a bit overrated. Also concerned about his attitude, but that seems to be fine. I think we'll face trouble in a few years when he's eating up a ton of salary and he's falling off, but worry about that later. The team clearly needed more talent, especially a bucket-getter. That Miami game was torture. I mean, we win if Wemby plays straight-up, but not having a guy who could score in the clutch was glaring.

I was against using too many assets for a maybe fit that gets more expensive as we go. A huge contract means lessened flexibility.

But, holy hell, they managed to get him for nothing but our 2027 pick, in a draft where we also have Atlanta's pick, and that 2031 Min pick that is so far out. The rest is completely inconsequential.

The FO managed to, once again, sniff out the needs of other teams and help leverage great team advantage to help all parties. I know Bulls fans are irritated, but they badly needed off LaVine's contract. The Kings get away with something pretty decent considering they are losing Fox anyway. This is like absorbing Reggie Bullock to get a swap purely out of cap space times about a hundred. Tre Jones is an expiring and wasn't really in the plans. Zach Collins needed to be dumped. The CHA pick and seconds are meaningless and the CHI is negligible.

Just an astounding bit of business really.

[CGD]

Interesting to trace back the history of these picks. Outside the SAS 27FRP this is how it breaks out:

DeRosen—> CHI 25FRP
DeRosen—> CHI 25SRP
DeJounte—> CHA 25FRP
Jakob—> MIN 31FRP
Forbes—> DEN 28SRP

Fascinating.