Grades: Spurs @ Hornets - Feb. 7, 2025 [Archive]

LeBowen

02-08-2025, 04:49 AM

I know you really don't engage on the forum anymore, but how does Mitch get B-?
You also wrote this:

The rotation made sense to me throughout the game.

How did it make sense? We went down early only because of that dumb starting lineup with no size.
Then he played lineups with just Castle on the floor.
Bringing CP3 back late on only to have Bridges attack him right away wasn't a basketball decision.
CP3 obviously knew he shouldn't be on the floor while Castle has it going and they were killing us on the boards, but his ego didn't let him sit this one out and Mitch has no authority to bench him.
And the game was lost because of it.

His leadership and mentorship is obviously a positive, but with Fox on the team what's left of his basketball ability isn't needed unless it's a bench role and with him and Fox being mutually exclusive in the lineups.
We brought Fox to fix our offense, but he'll spend the rest of the season chasing opposition's best guards around because CP3 has to be hidden in the corner.
He wasn't even initiating sets or bringing the ball up most of the time.

Keldon playing 16 minutes with a Tony Snell statline is also a negative for Mitch's grade.
As is Champagnie getting just 2 3pta in 19 minutes.
We're just playing random offense with no structure.

Can't get any easy looks for Wemby, can't get any shots for our shooter.

If he persists with this lineup, it's going to be a slaughter in Orlando and Boston, they have big size advantage on all perimeter positions.

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2025, 05:06 AM

Keldon Johnson with 0/0/0/0/0 shooting 0% is a D+? Does he have to score on his own basket to get an F?

Spurs Brazil

02-08-2025, 06:29 AM

I know you really don't engage on the forum anymore, but how does Mitch get B-?
You also wrote this:

How did it make sense? We went down early only because of that dumb starting lineup with no size.
Then he played lineups with just Castle on the floor.
Bringing CP3 back late on only to have Bridges attack him right away wasn't a basketball decision.
CP3 obviously knew he shouldn't be on the floor while Castle has it going and they were killing us on the boards, but his ego didn't let him sit this one out and Mitch has no authority to bench him.
And the game was lost because of it.

His leadership and mentorship is obviously a positive, but with Fox on the team what's left of his basketball ability isn't needed unless it's a bench role and with him and Fox being mutually exclusive in the lineups.
We brought Fox to fix our offense, but he'll spend the rest of the season chasing opposition's best guards around because CP3 has to be hidden in the corner.
He wasn't even initiating sets or bringing the ball up most of the time.

Keldon playing 16 minutes with a Tony Snell statline is also a negative for Mitch's grade.
As is Champagnie getting just 2 3pta in 19 minutes.
We're just playing random offense with no structure.

Can't get any easy looks for Wemby, can't get any shots for our shooter.

If he persists with this lineup, it's going to be a slaughter in Orlando and Boston, they big size advantage on all perimeter positions.

It also took forever to bring Wemby back late in the game.

3:18 Victor Wembanyama enters the game for Harrison Barnes

ffadicted

02-08-2025, 06:57 AM

Mitch sniffing anything above a C- is crazy to me. Man is way over his head with this roster, simultaneously can’t teach and motivate the young guns, and doesn’t have the balls to bench the oldies, and just plays some crazy questionable lineups.

If pop isn’t coming back next year 100%, we absolutely cannot run it back with Mitch, that’d be season suicide. Even if Pop wants to, I’m skeptical of his health to last an entire NBA season, then we stuck late in March/April with fuckin Brian again.

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2025, 07:08 AM

The funny thing is in almost every postgame interview Mitch is like „they were more physical than us“. Well if you can’t get your team to play physical, maybe you‘re not a good motivator?

Dejounte

02-08-2025, 07:18 AM

Mal

02-08-2025, 07:30 AM

Keldon F, Mitch D

LeBowen

02-08-2025, 07:32 AM

Very obvious to see who has their hate filled glasses on here and are just looking for a scape goat, with no real basketball analysis going on tbh

the loss is on:
-poor 1 on 1 defense. I have liked and defended Sochan, but his defense has been totally ineffective for a couple games or more now
-poor rebounding. This is just everybody. When I saw Vassell let his man come up from behind him and grab the rebound, that was the most face palm moment of the game
-Points in the paint in the first half. Vic was caught out of position way too much
-Star player being a no show on offense. Vic was way too inefficient. He had his mid range shots going, he should have kept doing that instead of chucking up more 3’s.
-and obviously the lapses on defense where we leave a shooter open

And how many of those could've been avoided with a starting lineup that has more size and better defenders?
You can't put players, especially not fundamentally flawed players like ours, into suboptimal positions and expect them to perform.

CP3 is still a great floor general and has a lot of value when he's in charge on offense, but almost all of that value is lost when he's off the ball and just sitting in the corner. And he spent most of the game in the corner.
Devin is an extremely frustrating player and most of us are done with him, but he could maybe still prove us wrong if he was playing shooting guard, his actual position instead of being shoved into forward role.
Jeremy is a fundamentally flawed player, but has his qualities. Most of which are negated by having him defend either bigs or small guards. He's constantly put in the worst possible positions. I'm not high on him, but he always gets the short end of the stick.
Champagnie was doing great while we had injuries, then his confidence was completely ruined with undeserved minutes reduction. And now he's completely out of it. He's just cardo-ing around without a single action that would generate a wide open shot for him.
Keldon is a lost cause, but somehow still has to get minutes in every quarter. Why is he even on the floor in the 4th if he hasn't d one anything useful all game long?
Wemby can't create his own shot consistently because he's too weak physically. He's got all sorts of issues on offense, but you can't tell me that a properly coached team wouldn't have created at least 10 easy points for him each game.

It's kind of paradoxal that PATFO are all about drafting versatile players with good size for their position despite their shooting issues, but then we manage to lose all of that advantage by playing smallest possible lineups.

It's still early days with Fox and there's obviously a lot of room for improvement in terms of how the team functions, but I can't shake the feeling that we need some addition by subtraction.
Not because CP3 or Devin are useless, but because starting them puts everyone else in uncomfortable situations.

We bring in Fox to carry the team offensively and then he has to chase Lamelo around because old man CP3 has to be hidden.

heyheymymy

02-08-2025, 07:56 AM

keldon champ and barnes going combined 0-9 from three plus Wemby going 1-9 from three was pretty decisive but rebounds were an issue too.

Ni-G

02-08-2025, 08:31 AM

We are playing small ball but for this to work every one has to be able to box out and try to rebound. With only 2 guys barely able to do it we will be crushed by second chances. On the top of this we are allowing every team to become hot from 3s while our supposed shooters are cold AF or streaky at best..

z0sa

02-08-2025, 08:32 AM

Mitch Johnson ain't no B-, friend. He was a D, if that.

One could say oh we promised CP3 a season long start and plenty of minutes. That's fine, you can start him and then still pull him for matchups he's obviously having (or causing, such as Fox being forced to guard Ball) struggles with. That's NBA basketball. He still could've gotten about the same minutes with some lineup adjustments during the game.

Mitch, as I've said before, has the mark of every sub-standard coach - an inability to make adjustments. It's the same gameplan from start to finish. Looks good on paper, but in the guts of the game (which apparently started in the 1st quarter last night), you have to be bold and make changes. He didn't. He's just not that good. He can't command the respect of guys like CP3 in order to bench them, he can't teach the young guys simple things like boxing out (or runs with lineups that can't reasonably be expected to grab every defensive board), and long story short simply makes too many unforced errors. For example, Sochan was well aware it'd be okay if we gave up a 2 on Ball's last drive. He played it right, but Mitch clearly didn't do a good enough job reminding everyone to stick to shooters. That's on the coach, point blank.

100%duncan

02-08-2025, 08:53 AM

TimGPT with that B-. Prime TIMVP wouldve given him a F

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2025, 09:33 AM

rewatching some posessions and CP3 is definately to blame on a bunch of defensive lapses as well. He doesn't box out either and let the Hornets shoot a bunch of uncontested 3s.

Wemby was out of position a lot under the basket, but he's sick so less activity from him doesn't surprise me.

KingKev

02-08-2025, 09:35 AM

Man Fox is fking nice. I genuinely don’t understand the Lamelo disrespect. Maybe has to mature a little but hae is going to be a top 5 PG in the league for a long time. Especially if put in the right position to win.

100%duncan

02-08-2025, 09:44 AM

Good news is that Fox is as advertised. That dude is clutch as fuck and has it on easy mode penetrating.

emanueldavidginobili

02-08-2025, 09:52 AM

Got out hustled and out rebounded. Their tallest players out on the court was some scrub and the corpse of Taj Gibson both at 6’9. Just embarrassing stuff tbh.

spurs10

02-08-2025, 10:09 AM

Thanks for the prompt grades. Those boards were the game. Offensive rebound, 3pts...over and over.

Mugen

02-08-2025, 10:09 AM

Dejounte

02-08-2025, 10:19 AM

Lot of quibbling about our shitty interim coach and shitty supporting players. All of which are true btw.

But the fact of the matter is, the truly great players drag their mid teams to the playoffs.

And our best player hasn't been very good since Christmas. The reasons for that are varying levels of concern.

The cold hard truth is that Vic isn't ready and I'm not sure if he'll be ready next season since the readymade excuses will still be there (international play, allergies :lol).

This is the truth. We go as high as Vic takes us and as low as Vic takes us. We blame everyone else but Vic when he has bad games because he is responsible for most of the wins and we’re scared to put blame on him tbh

Sugus

02-08-2025, 10:34 AM

LeBowen

02-08-2025, 10:34 AM

Sugus

02-08-2025, 10:37 AM

You two are missing the point.
It's not about his level of performance dropping because he's been playing below his expected level as of late, it's about this team being full of useless charity cases.
Do we really want Wemby to carry every single game, even against G-league Hornets?
I'm somewhat glad his level of play dropped off just so everyone can see how awful everyone other than Castle and Fox is. Including the coaching staff.

Bad since Christmas? 23/12/3 on 46/35/77 with 3.8 blocks.
It's just that we expect him to consistently play on the level of a top5 player in the league.

He has to play through it, but I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for the likes of Keldon and Devin to watch when you're their teammate.

I'm not concerned about Wemby, I'm not concerned about missing the play-in, I'm concerned about there being no indications whatsoever that our coaching staff will have a revamp any time soon.

Hard agree. Reminds me of the early Luka situation in Dallas. Or LeBron in Cleveland the first go.

Sure, it's nice having the top-5 players who drags the team to wins on superhuman performances.... But it's even nicer to have a supporting cast that doesn't demand that of him every single night. You can't expect any player to consistently have MVP-level performances to get wins.

I liked nothing of what I saw from Keldon last night, almost nothing from Vassell. Wemby shouldn't be breaking his back having to carry them, on top of having to fight through allergies...

Mugen

02-08-2025, 10:44 AM

I'm seriously interested in where the Spurs go with coaching next season.

Especially with all the smoke that came out about them expecting Pop to "be back to finish the season" or whatever. Surely they're not going to subject the elderly, post-stroke Pop to highly stressful situations just because? Hoping Pop's medical staff puts a halt to that and doesn't get pushed over.

If Becky ain't coming over, and no other good-to-great coaches become available, I'd love to hit up Mike Brown and see if he's interested. Maybe not a championship-level coach, but he made the most of those Sacto teams and the Fox connection is obvious. Fox went so far as to say he wouldn't play for another coach, so there's mutual respect there.

Aren't you a big PATFO sniffer? I'm surprised it isn't Pop til he's in the grave even if half of his body isn't working.

But jesus christ, Mike Brown? That's literally asking for a redo of LeBron's first stint in Cleveland. Might as well book Wemby's flight to NY if we end up giving ol retread Brown another shot.

DPG21920

02-08-2025, 10:47 AM

CP and Vassell to the bench please. It’s a role that can help the team and them get going more consistently and maximize them.

A bench of CP + Vassell + Keldon will be very + against most units.

Fox + Castle + Wemby start with Sochan + Barnes

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2025, 10:48 AM

I don’t want anybody who was mentored by Pop to take over. Except Hardy or Udoka, but they ain’t going nowhere anytime soon.

Sugus

02-08-2025, 10:55 AM

Aren't you a big PATFO sniffer? I'm surprised it isn't Pop til he's in the grave even if half of his body isn't working.

But jesus christ, Mike Brown? That's literally asking for a redo of LeBron's first stint in Cleveland. Might as well book Wemby's flight to NY if we end up giving ol retread Brown another shot.

No, I'm your average non-retard fan. Nuanced takes and all that stuff. But yes, to the left in the Spurstalk Overton window, for sure.

As for Brown, he's not the worst choice, especially for a young and building team. He did a good job in SAC in spite of their organizational shitfulness.

Honestly, I just don't see any major names being available this off-season. Becky sounds like a pipedream, and I haven't heard other big names linked to the Spurs.

Mugen

02-08-2025, 11:10 AM

No, I'm your average non-retard fan. Nuanced takes and all that stuff. But yes, to the left in the Spurstalk Overton window, for sure.

As for Brown, he's not the worst choice, especially for a young and building team. He did a good job in SAC in spite of their organizational shitfulness.

Honestly, I just don't see any major names being available this off-season. Becky sounds like a pipedream, and I haven't heard other big names linked to the Spurs.

I'd be legit depressed if Mike Brown or Becky got the nod. They're not the worst choice (that's definitely Monty Williams). But they'd be signs of non-serious organization.

All of the best apples from the old man tree have already been picked. I don't want them drawing from that well anymore.

I'd throw everything I could to try and lure Hurley from UCONN. Or look for other young, up n coming talent from other teams that haven't been infected with the old man rot tbh.

LeBowen

02-08-2025, 11:16 AM

Imo, the issue is that we need to restructure the entire coaching staff and I don't think someone without top level experience can do it.
I'm not that high on Bud anymore, but hopefully Suns' season ends up in a meltdown and he gets out of there.
Kerr could be an option in a few years when Steph retires, but I think he probably retires with Steph due to his back issues.

Grizzlies and OKC surely have a couple of people who would do a good job if we're talking younger candidates.

As for throwing everything, isn't Pop still the highest paid coach in the league? Or at least close to it.

Sugus

02-08-2025, 11:16 AM

I'd be legit depressed if Mike Brown or Becky got the nod. They're not the worst choice (that's definitely Monty Williams). But they'd be signs of non-serious organization.

All of the best apples from the old man tree have already been picked. I don't want them drawing from that well anymore.

I'd throw everything I could to try and lure Hurley from UCONN. Or look for other young, up n coming talent from other teams that haven't been infected with the old man rot tbh.

Wasn't Hurley the one who rejected the Lakers' offer in favor of staying in college? Or am I getting the coach wrong? Don't see that happening if he's the one.

Sounds like you're bound for disappointment, haha. It's a fine line between "young, up and coming talent" and "inexperienced bum who doesn't have what it takes", unfortunately.

Again I'd be open to an "unknown name" hire, but I sincerely doubt how well this board would take the growing pains that come with a young coaching staff whilst having MVP Wemby on the team :lol

Mugen

02-08-2025, 11:24 AM

Wasn't Hurley the one who rejected the Lakers' offer in favor of staying in college? Or am I getting the coach wrong? Don't see that happening if he's the one.

Sounds like you're bound for disappointment, haha. It's a fine line between "young, up and coming talent" and "inexperienced bum who doesn't have what it takes", unfortunately.

Again I'd be open to an "unknown name" hire, but I sincerely doubt how well this board would take the growing pains that come with a young coaching staff whilst having MVP Wemby on the team :lol

Yeah, that was Hurley. The appeal would be getting to coach a 21yo Wemby along with a guy that he recruited in Castle. It's a long shot but one that's worth a try.

The bar is so, so low though. Like Mitch is obviously in over his head. But he's been significantly better than the old man that was at the helm that lost any semblance of competitive fire years ago. Sure, Becky and Mike clear that low bar slightly.

But they can do so much better, this will be a coveted job in the offseason. You're selling the opportunity short.

onechance87

02-08-2025, 11:31 AM

keldon completely killed the mood in this game.Brick shot after shot.Cant rebound and defend.Another thing that changed the
game against us was rebounds.How is the coaching and front office not addressing this obvious issue.

Sugus

02-08-2025, 11:33 AM

Yeah, that was Hurley. The appeal would be getting to coach a 21yo Wemby along with a guy that he recruited in Castle. It's a long shot but one that's worth a try.

The bar is so, so low though. Like Mitch is obviously in over his head. But he's been significantly better than the old man that was at the helm that lost any semblance of competitive fire years ago. Sure, Becky and Mike clear that low bar slightly.

But they can do so much better, this will be a coveted job in the offseason. You're selling the opportunity short.

Yeah, thought that was him. Honestly I don't really see it, but stranger things have happened and it's worth a shot - same with Becky, another longshot. Hurley sounded very pleased with his Uconn job and status during the Lakers saga.

You're right here, but at the same time, it's San Antonio... I don't want to delude myself that because Fox wanted to come here, that we're suddenly a major pull of a destination. Yes coaching Wemby is great... But you still gotta relocate and live in SanAn full time. Hasn't been too glamorous a proposition in the past. I really hope you're right, because it's clear that Wemby deserves high-level staff around him.

LeBowen

02-08-2025, 11:38 AM

Yeah, thought that was him. Honestly I don't really see it, but stranger things have happened and it's worth a shot - same with Becky, another longshot. Hurley sounded very pleased with his Uconn job and status during the Lakers saga.

I could be wrong, but if a man had Becky's basketball knowledge and coaching skills, we'd all want him on the bench.
I don't know much about Hurley, maybe he wasn't interested in being Lebron's scapegoat. Lakers looked like a roster close to being done last summer and he would've never been fully in charge there.
Way different from Spurs culture where the coach is supposed to be in charge of everything.

You're right here, but at the same time, it's San Antonio... I don't want to delude myself that because Fox wanted to come here, that we're suddenly a major pull of a destination. Yes coaching Wemby is great... But you still gotta relocate and live in SanAn full time. Hasn't been too glamorous a proposition in the past. I really hope you're right, because it's clear that Wemby deserves high-level staff around him.

I don't think many coaches care about where they work.
To become a head coach in this league you have to be a workaholic, there's no time to care if there's snow or fancy restaurants outside because you don't visit them much.
Way different from players in their 20s who have time for activities other than their job.

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2025, 12:02 PM

Hurley would be by far my favorite coach. He's a guy who implements a system, values high IQ and likes the human part of being a coach. Would fit right into the culture. If you want 2000s Pop that's as close as it gets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EMRXuJy16s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EMRXuJy16s

Spurs Homer

02-08-2025, 12:08 PM

Vassell is just a bad fit- i surely hope he is gone before next season.

Wemby
Fox
Barnes
Sochan
Castle

no other lineup is better and the bench will be improved...

Also - Mitch - he gotta go - he is just not ready.

ANY coach - I mean ANY coach who was handed the reigns with the future GOAT and now Fox as his sidekick -
needs and HAS to be serious and ready.

Hall of fame coaches would SALIVATE at the thought of taking wemby at this age and stage of his GOAT career and running with it. Fuck Mitch.

Find a serious coaching staff and stop this pop re-tread sack of amateurs.

Mr. Body

02-08-2025, 12:12 PM

Fox was awful. It's going to suck paying him fifty million for this shit if it continues.

Mr. Body

02-08-2025, 12:13 PM

Give Castle the fifty million. Only player on the team that cares.

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2025, 12:15 PM

Fox was awful. It's going to suck paying him fifty million for this shit if it continues.

you're clearly smoking crack

Gagnrath

02-08-2025, 12:30 PM

Hard agree. Reminds me of the early Luka situation in Dallas. Or LeBron in Cleveland the first go.

Sure, it's nice having the top-5 players who drags the team to wins on superhuman performances.... But it's even nicer to have a supporting cast that doesn't demand that of him every single night. You can't expect any player to consistently have MVP-level performances to get wins.

I liked nothing of what I saw from Keldon last night, almost nothing from Vassell. Wemby shouldn't be breaking his back having to carry them, on top of having to fight through allergies...

I don't think Keldon is a charity case, last night was bad though, what Keldon is a catch and shoot 3 shooter, and decent driver who doesn't pass well. He also hasn't really gotten better as a defender. Most teams would be ok with him as a back-up wing. The problem is that he hasn't actually played as the player he is nor gotten better for the last 3 years. He's also mildly redundant in the sense that Champagnie is a better defender, better shooter, has slightly better size and is cheaper. Sochan on the other hand has got to get a comfortable shot if he did this, we'd be so much better off. Those two should be the future of our 3 spot and we should be willing to move on from Sochan if there isn't some sort of shooting improvement by the end of next season..

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2025, 12:34 PM

Sochan actually has a higher 3-point percentage than Keldon. Keldon just shoots them at a higher volume.

z0sa

02-08-2025, 01:04 PM

22 points, six assists, four steals and zero turnovers. Go-ahead clutch bucket and a couple tenths of a second from the game-winner as well. Fox definitely playing well in his new uniform is the silver (and black) lining

Gandalf

02-08-2025, 01:18 PM

I don't know much about Hurley, maybe he wasn't interested in being Lebron's scapegoat. Lakers looked like a roster close to being done last summer and he would've never been fully in charge there.
Way different from Spurs culture where the coach is supposed to be in charge of everything.

Exactly, you have to keep in mind that he rejected the Lakers when they were only a short time away from crashing and burning - before the Mavs gifted them Luka. Also, the Castle connection might help, along with Wemby, Fox, two high draft picks, and a team ripe for an upswing. You never know, at least try. If not him, kick the tires on other good coaches (like Spoelstra), given the foregoing.

scott

02-08-2025, 02:27 PM

To become a head coach in this league you have to be a workaholic, there's no time to care if there's snow or fancy restaurants outside because you don't visit them much.

I just found this part funny, because Pop definitely visits them quite frequently (well, maybe not anymore)

LeBowen

02-08-2025, 02:39 PM

I just found this part funny, because Pop definitely visits them quite frequently (well, maybe not anymore)

I kind of walked into that one, was just waiting for someone to mention Pop. :lol

scott

02-08-2025, 02:43 PM

Sometimes weird shit just happens in the NBA. The Spurs should have won this game, but it's not like this was some unheard of fluke. CHA has beaten HOU, IND (2x), MIL, PHX, and DAL this year... all teams that are better than us. We've also see ATL beat BOS (2x) and CLE (2x). Sometimes in the NBA, the better team loses. It happens. If we beat ORL by 10 today, everyone will be back to being upbeat.

I'm most interested in the meta things from this game, good and bad.

Good:

Steph Castle's evolution. Looking much more composed on drives (though still some moves right into blocked shots that he needs to cut out), shooting 40% from 3 in his last 10 games (on 4 3PA/gm), showing a nice mid range jumper
De'Aaron Fox's presence and instant impact. The offense just takes on completely different dimension with Fox in there (which I think will also play a big part in Castle's continued ascent). The clutch factor is something we haven't seen around here since we had another lefty guard (he wore #20), living up to the Swipa nickname and I think one of the biggest things... TAKING CARE OF THE BALL. His only turnover in two games came when he tried to throw a long fast break outlet pass that got intercepted. Otherwise, been taking care of the ball like a Jones brother
Sochan finding and fitting into that bench glue guy role. He's being put in impossible situations but I think he's adapting well. Just need to continue down this path

Bad:

Yo, can we get Wemby an allergy specialist? This is two years in a row where this is clearly bothered him. He hasn't been *bad* in 2025, but I don't think he's make All NBA if only looking at his performance in 2025 alone. A part of that is this recent stretch after the allergies flared up. This isn't his fault, he can't control his body... but this is known, and there are ways to deal with this. But we can't have a 4-week stretch every winter where we get Wemby off his game because of trees.
Keldon, obviously.
Mitch's rotations... sheeeeeeesh man. That "Oops All Wings" lineup of Castle-Vassell-Champ-Keldon-Sochan... wtf was that? Forcing CP3 in at the end was a clear mistake, I hope he learns from that quickly... but I doubt it.
Leaving dudes wide open at the 3P line, as though it's purposeful part of our core defensive identity for the last 8 years... what are we doing here?

John B

02-08-2025, 03:53 PM

F on Mitch for not making the adjustments early. The Spurs practically came from behind the whole game. Too many open shots from the opponents. And playing against a team without a center, Spurs should’ve dominated the paint. Neither of those happened. And as soon as they finally tied, should’ve taken CP3 off especially on the last defensive stand. Just pure execution. If not for the roookie’s heroics, if would’ve been a blowout from one of the worst teams. Moving on.

024

02-08-2025, 04:39 PM

Very glad Castle is on the team with CP3 to mentor him. Without Castle, I'd be pessimistic about the Spurs future as they would still be several pieces away from contending instead of only a couple and waiting for Wemby + Castle to further develop.

With the trade deadline over, rooting for KJ to have a better second half of the season to improve his trade value. But Castle coming off the bench will make that extremely difficult, especially if KJ can't hit any 3's. A change of scenery for KJ would be beneficial to his career but will be harder to move him with his trade value cratering.

Arcadian

02-08-2025, 05:05 PM

Good news is that Fox is as advertised. That dude is clutch as fuck and has it on easy mode penetrating.

I played as him in 2K, and he has a 97 speed rating. It's so easy to score whenever you want. He feels like the fastest Spurs player since prime Parker.

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Pauleta14

02-09-2025, 06:57 PM

Timvp has to be working for the FO at this point

Bro is satisfied with Mitch's rotations :lmao

The Truth #6

02-09-2025, 07:54 PM

I don't really have any big comment about the rotations, but actually I was fairly pleased with the roles that players were put in for the most part. Like Jeremy is a hustler only now. Fox is a closer. Devin is sort of fitting in as the fourth option. That's progress to some degree.

gilmor2002

02-09-2025, 09:25 PM

Patience.. This new team needs to gell.. I see great potential in Fox-Castle pairing

mystargtr34

02-09-2025, 10:32 PM

Timvp has to be working for the FO at this point

Bro is satisfied with Mitch's rotations :lmao

I’m pretty sure Timvp gets a phone call from someone in the Spurs FO if he shits on the Spurs too much in his grades 😂

Pauleta14

02-10-2025, 04:45 AM

Patience.. This new team needs to gell.. I see great potential in Fox-Castle pairing

"Time" is far from being the only issue.

I have no pb being patient (to a certain extend ^^) and I think I can speak for most of the critics, the issue is with what personnel??

I'm talking players as much as coaching staff.

We hear "Spurs have a young core to develop blabla..", when in reality Spurs only have TWO players that are seen as the core of the future

Being patient to see Keldon Devin Jeremy or Champ develop?? I hope it's not the strategy

The worst part is the rookie head coach who makes mistakes every game (as expected for a rookie) and the staff who sucks at developing player and even got some worse like Sochan with his shot

Those aren't the Spurs of a decade+ ago