NYC Congestion pricing, one month in

[Winehole23]

New Yorkers are already seeing an impact one month in. Along with fewer drivers in general, the vehicles that still travel through the area are dealing with less traffic. Those crossing through the Holland Tunnel see the most time savings, with average trip times down 48% during peak morning hours. The Williamsburg and Queensboro Bridges are both seeing an average of 30% faster travel times. During afternoon peak hours, drivers in the entire zone are seeing travel times drop up to 59%.

More commuters are opting for buses to cross Manhattan, and those buses are now traveling more quickly, too. Weekday bus ridership has grown 6%, while weekend ridership is up 21%, compared to January 2024. (Subway ridership has also grown by 7.3% on weekdays and 12% on weekends, part of a larger trend in ridership growth happening since the fall, per the MTA. Anecdotally, some subway riders have said (https://abc7ny.com/post/passengers-sound-off-subway-ridership-ticks-amid-congestion-pricing-nyc/15783709/) they’ve seen more packed trains on their morning commutes.) Buses entering Manhattan from Queens, Staten Island, and the Bronx are saving up to 10 minutes on their route times, which also makes their arrivals more reliable.

This data comes from the MTA, which released figures at the end of January. A full one-month update won’t be available until the next MTA board meeting at the end of February; the MTA didn’t yet release any information on the amount of money the program has raised or any air quality impacts.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91272434/a-million-cars-have-disappeared-what-nyc-is-like-after-one-month-of-congestion-pricing

[SnakeBoy]

If only we could keep the poors from driving nationwide

[koriwhat]

Next up, which is basically what's happening in NYC, is the carbon tax.

[ChumpDumper]

If only we could keep the poors from driving nationwide
Tesla tunnels.

[baseline bum]

If only we could keep the poors from driving nationwide

Needing a car to exist is most of America is one of the biggest things keeping the poors down

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Thread]

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Got up offin' that fuckin' Pennsylvania stage Summer last and been buildin' shoestores all across this great land.


https://youtu.be/a3OHIm9tS6E

[Yonivore]

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The federal government giveth and the federal government taketh away.

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/memorandum/VPPPletter_termination_021925.pdf

[ChumpDumper]

The federal government giveth and the federal government taketh away.

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/memorandum/VPPPletter_termination_021925.pdf

Who is the king?

[Yonivore]

Who is the king?
Charles III, is the King of England. As for the United States, we don't have one.

[ChumpDumper]

Charles III, is the King of England. As for the United States, we don't have one.

Why would he talk about Charles III in this tweet?

Explain.

[Yonivore]

Why would he talk about Charles III in this tweet?

Explain.
Chump. He's trolling the Left, you moron.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump. He's trolling the Left, you moron.

Trolling them how?

[Yonivore]

Trolling them how?
The White House put this out...

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1892295984928993698

Fucking hilarious.

[ChumpDumper]

The White House put this out...

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1892295984928993698

Fucking hilarious.

Saved from whom?

[Yonivore]

Saved from whom?
The State of New York's attempt to tax the poor so the wealthy could have the streets of New York City to themselves.

[ChumpDumper]

The State of New York's attempt to tax the poor so the wealthy could have the streets of New York City to themselves.They were taxing everyone coming in.

:lol concern for taxing the poor

[Yonivore]

They were taxing everyone coming in.
Yeah, I know. They were taxing those who could afford it (the wealthy) and those who couldn't (the poor).

Again, your comprehension skills. Grab another Twinkie, you may need sugar.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I know. They were taxing those who could afford it (the wealthy) and those who couldn't (the poor).Don't they already have to pay to cross the bridges and tunnels?

[Yonivore]

Don't they already have to pay to cross the bridges and tunnels?
Possibly, I don't live there. But, adding another $9.00 to every trip was going to be pretty burdensome for delivery drivers, taxis, etc... New York wanted it to be $15.00 at first but, after a public outcry, they lowered it to $9.00 and claimed they were saving New Yorkers $6.00. Trump just saved them the whole enchilada.

[Thread]

Who is the king?

Trump, you moron, you.

[Thread]

Possibly, I don't live there. But, adding another $9.00 to every trip was going to be pretty burdensome for delivery drivers, taxis, etc... New York wanted it to be $15.00 at first but, after a public outcry, they lowered it to $9.00 and claimed they were saving New Yorkers $6.00. Trump just saved them the whole enchilada.

Olay!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Possibly, I don't live there. But, adding another $9.00 to every trip was going to be pretty burdensome for delivery drivers, taxis, etc... New York wanted it to be $15.00 at first but, after a public outcry, they lowered it to $9.00 and claimed they were saving New Yorkers $6.00. Trump just saved them the whole enchilada.

So what's your solution for congestion there?

[Yonivore]

So what's your solution for congestion there?
Let the motorists work it out. Many people already take public transportation because it's too congested. Many are willing to fight the traffic instead of getting thrown in front of subway trains.

Congestion should ease a bit. Since 2019, approximately 160 business, taking thousands of employees and approximately $1 Trillion in assets, have left New York for less Blue pastures. At this rate, there won't be a reason for anyone to drive in Manhattan.

[ChumpDumper]

Let the motorists work it out. Many people already take public transportation because it's too congested. Many are willing to fight the traffic instead of getting thrown in front of subway trains.

Congestion should ease a bit. Since 2019, approximately 160 business, taking thousands of employees and approximately $1 Trillion in assets, have left New York for less Blue pastures. At this rate, there won't be a reason for anyone to drive in Manhattan.You're simply wrong.

Talking points don't help traffic congestion.

[Yonivore]

You're simply wrong.

Talking points don't help traffic congestion.
The motorists objected more to the fee than they do the congestion.

[ChumpDumper]

The motorists objected more to the fee than they do the congestion.

In Morning Consult's survey of 1,200 registered voters, 6 out of 10 New Yorkers say President Trump should allow the controversial tolling plan to continue.

Yoni is against states' rights.

[Yonivore]

In Morning Consult's survey of 1,200 registered voters, 6 out of 10 New Yorkers say President Trump should allow the controversial tolling plan to continue.

Yoni is against states' rights.
Okay, let them have their way then. Just not on federal roadways or with federal money.

[Winehole23]

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[DarrinS]

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Mr. blue sky

[DarrinS]

Not really a dunk, anyway

[Thread]

Okay, let them have their way then. Just not on federal roadways or with federal money.

Precisely.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really a dunk, anywayIt's pretty impressive to someone who isn't drunk.

[Winehole23]

Mr. blue skywhen more people ride the subway, criminals get shy

[Winehole23]

improvement in road safety clocked

on a daily basis, more people ride the subway in the NYC-area than travel by air nationwide


There has been a 51% decrease in injuries and a 55% decrease (https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/01/23/congestion-relief-zone-is-also-a-crash-relief-zone-data) in crashes in the congestion relief zone compared to the same period in January 2024. Calmer streets are a win for parents, who rush home to make it to pick-up and dinner with the kids, which, in turn, builds stronger families and communities.


Safety has not come at the expense of travel times. Early data from the initial month of congestion pricing in Manhattan shows reductions in traffic volumes and improved travel times. Since Jan. 5, the Holland Tunnel has seen an average weekday reduction in travel times of nearly 50% compared to last year (https://www.mta.info/document/163411). We are also seeing travel time savings beyond the river crossings — traffic on the Long Island Expressway is moving smoother near the Queens-Midtown Tunnel and even on Flatbush Ave. to the Manhattan Bridge!
https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/02/22/congestion-pricing-makes-nyc-safer/

[Winehole23]

tl;dr

Daily drivers like it


We’re 100 days into the era of congestion pricing, which began with cheers and a few rants very early on the morning of January 5 (https://www.curbed.com/article/congestion-pricing-victory-rally-midnight.html). The statistics from January into March, both all-in-one and otherwise, are rolling in, and they show a trend that is clear and unmistakable: It’s working. There is far, far less traffic on the streets. A group called the Congestion Pricing Now Coalition — made up of a wide array of advocacy organizations (https://www.congestionpricingnow.org/about) that includes the Regional Plan Association, the Riders Alliance, Open Plans, the Nature Conservancy, and Transportation Alternatives — has done a nice job of marshaling the facts, and if you are even slightly persuadable, it makes a strong case. The Holland Tunnel, at rush hour, has 65 percent fewer delays than it did before, and the time it takes to get through is down 48 percent (https://rpa.org/news/lab/what-it-means-to-save-time). In those 100 days, 6 million fewer cars drove into lower Manhattan than had done so a year earlier. In March, the decrease was 80,000 per day. In the congestion zone, we’re seeing half as many traffic-related injuries. The bus routes in Manhattan are so much less clogged that the drivers are being forced to slow down to maintain their schedules. (As a rider, I experienced this twice last week, and it was bizarre: a bus moseying along at 5 mph in a wide-open lane. Presumably the schedules will soon be retimed.) The diminished honking is a bonus.

The cynic might call all of that a problem rather than a success, suggesting that Manhattan has lost 80,000 daily restaurant customers, theatergoers, and shoppers. How many of them took the train instead? It’s a little hard to judge, because year-over-year numbers are likely to incorporate some of the return-to-office shift, but the commuter lines are definitely fuller than they were. In January 2024, Metro-North carried almost exactly 5 million riders. In January 2025, it carried 5.3 million, up about 8 percent. The numbers on NJ Transit and the LIRR are higher as well — and in the case of the latter, they began to rise immediately after January 5 (https://www.amny.com/news/lirr-and-metro-north-congestion-pricing/), strongly suggesting that those passengers used to be drivers. Broadway-ticket sales are up, too, and the city’s Business Improvement Districts say they’ve seen 1.5 million more visitors year over year.



Most striking of all, though, is that the biggest turnaround has been among a population you’d least expect: the people paying the toll really often. “There was a poll conducted by Morning Consult (https://pfnyc.org/news/new-poll-ny-voters-say-congestion-pricing-has-led-to-faster-commutes-and-less-traffic/) a few weeks ago,” Michaelson tells me, “showing that the program’s biggest supporters were those who drove into the central business district the most frequently.” “Really?” I ask. “Yes, yes, yes!” she says. “It was 66 percent supporting the program, of those who reported driving into the city multiple times a week.” Because cars are moving? “They’re moving. The people who oppose it are folks who live upstate or don’t come in. That was the experience that folks in London and Stockholm described to us beforehand,” Michaelson says: “that people oppose it until they see that the program is effective.”https://www.curbed.com/article/100-dayscongestion-pricing-mta-results.html

[Winehole23]

DOT accidentally filed their internal brief on the case


The Department of Transportation and its Justice Department lawyers are at odds over their ongoing legal effort to axe Manhattan’s congestion pricing pilot program (https://www.courthousenews.com/trump-administration-ramps-up-threats-against-nyc-congestion-pricing-program/) after federal attorneys accidentally docketed an internal memo outlining their concerns with the case.

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy announced plans to kill the program (https://www.courthousenews.com/trump-administration-puts-nyc-traffic-toll-on-chopping-block/) in February, calling it a “slap in the face to working class Americans and small business owners." Lawyers at the Southern District of New York are representing Duffy and the Trump administration’s Department of Transportation after it was sued by the Manhattan Transit Authority over Duffy’s demand to do so.

But late Wednesday night, those Justice Department attorneys uploaded an internal letter to the public court docket in which they discussed how difficult it would be for Duffy to win the case.

Assistant U.S. Attorneys Dominika Tarczynska, David Farber and Christine Poscablo wrote that “there is considerable litigation risk” in defending Duffy’s decision, which they said was “contrary to law, pretextual, procedurally arbitrary and capricious, and violated due process.”

As it turns out, the 11-page letter (https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/congestion-pricing-internal-memo-doj.pdf), addressed to Department of Transportation senior trial attorney Erin Hendrixson and dated April 11, was uploaded by mistake. The Justice Department lawyers asked the court on Thursday to seal the filing (https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/doj-mistake-congestion-pricing-seal-request.pdf), which they say is privileged.

“Although the contents of the document have been made public in news reporting, the document was filed in error and should not be considered part of the court docket,” they wrote.
https://www.courthousenews.com/disgrace-doj-filing-faults-congestion-pricing-case-sparking-feud-with-transportation-department/

[SnakeBoy]

If only we could keep the poors from driving nationwide

[SnakeBoy]

Needing a car to exist is most of America is one of the biggest things keeping the poors down

Maybe we can find a way to ban them from owning a car...for their own good

Let them ride bikes

[ChumpDumper]

:lol snacks really mad this is working

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Trumplandia keeps losing in court


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[Winehole23]

Judge Liman is a Trump appointee


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[Winehole23]

another federal court rules that the Trump administration overreached its authority -- is breaking the law

MTA's lawsuit against Sean Duffy will proceed


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[velik_m]

Congestion pricing in Manhattan is a predictable success (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2025/06/19/congestion-pricing-in-manhattan-is-a-predictable-success)

[Winehole23]

the more they see it, the more they like it



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[Winehole23]

Sean Duffy keeps pissing his pants in public about subway safety

Rank innumeracy at best, propaganda at worst

(Sawyer County is Sean Duffy's home)


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[Winehole23]

Driving a car pretty much anywhere is more dangerous than riding the subway. It's not even close.

[Winehole23]

The main objective of congestion pricing was to raise money for transit under the simple premise that drivers, who cause congestion, pollution, road deaths and lost productivity, should be charged a small fee to bolster transit (which reduces all of the aforementioned deleterious effect of car driving in urban areas).


Or, as Charles Komanoff put it this week in Vital City (https://www.vitalcitynyc.org/articles/one-year-into-congestion-pricing-in-new-york-city): "The theory underlying congestion charging is as close as economics ever comes to axiomatic: Society is made better off when the negatives (sometimes called externalities) of goods or activities are covered — that is, included — in their price."




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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/05/upshot/congestion-pricing-one-year.html
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2026/01/05/how-congestion-pricing-proved-the-haters-wrong-and-is-changing-new-york-for-the-better