Legit Dilemma 4: Apparently, Spurs have near best chance of getting No. 1 Pick in 2025 Draft. Tank now?

[spursparker9]

https://sports.yahoo.com/capture-the-flagg-which-nba-teams-have-the-best-shot-at-landing-the-no-1-pick-171506711.html

THE TERRIFYING SCENARIOS

San Antonio Spurs (own and Atlanta)
Current Record: 23-28 (No. 10)
Current No. 1 odds: 3% (3% own + ATL’s)
Remaining SOS: .530 (own), .476 (ATL)

Victor Wembanyama and Cooper Flagg? Oh, it’s possible. Acquiring star point guard De’Aaron Fox will help the Spurs’ playoff odds even if it means it’ll hurt their chances at landing Flagg with their own pick. But good news for the Spurs: They can have the best of both worlds. A playoff run and a potential Flagg in the waiting.

Should the Spurs punch their playoff ticket and miss the lottery with their own pick, they can still land the No. 1 overall selection, thanks to the 2022 Dejounte Murray trade. In that transaction, the Spurs received Danilo Gallinari and four first-round picks, including Atlanta’s unprotected 2025 pick.

Since trading Murray to the Pels this past summer, the Hawks have hovered just below .500 with plenty of opportunity to fall further. Most Improved Player candidate Jalen Johnson suffered a season-ending shoulder injury in late January and the Hawks' front office traded two core members in De’Andre Hunter and Bogdan Bogdanović at the deadline.

After a three-game win streak, the Hawks have improbably remained in the playoff hunt. By playing in the Eastern Conference, the Hawks can only fall so far in the draft lottery. The Spurs, however, out West, have a tougher strength of schedule. They could feasibly fall to No. 7 in draft lottery odds, which would bring a 7.5% chance at the top pick. In the two best-case scenarios, the Spurs would stack their odds and have a combined 13.5 percent chance at No. 1. Yes, basically the same odds as having the worst record in the NBA, which is capped at 14.0 percent.

The Spurs hope Atlanta wins the lottery for the second year in a row, which has happened more often than you think. The Cleveland Cavaliers did it in 2013 (Anthony Bennett) and 2014 (Andrew Wiggins, traded to Minny for Kevin Love). In 1992 and 1993, the Orlando Magic picked first to get Shaquille O’Neal and Chris Webber, the latter of whom they traded to Golden State for Anfernee Hardaway and three firsts.

Yeah, a Cooper Flagg and Victor Wembanyama frontcourt is in play. You thought the Tim Duncan and David Robinson combo was a legendary frontline. Can you imagine if Flagg and Wemby played their entire careers together?





Maybe Mitch limiting Castle min for a subtle soft tank and aiming for the real prize in the draft.

:lol. There is no need to be mad for future losses guys. :bobo

[ffadicted]

IDK why people keep saying "improbably" as far as the Hawks go. They just barely lost to the Knicks in OT, and they're the only team in that mix tryin to win since they don't control their picks. If the play-in is Magic Heat Hawks Bulls, the Hawks getting in is far from a longshot, I'd bet on them over any of those except maybe Orlando, and even then it's pretty even.

[CGD]

Come on guys, we’re not so soft “soft tanking”. I’m fully expecting Fox to have surgery to fix his finger here soon. It would be malpractice for them not to maximize this opportunity with two potential lotto picks.

[exstatic]

IDK why people keep saying "improbably" as far as the Hawks go. They just barely lost to the Knicks in OT, and they're the only team in that mix tryin to win since they don't control their picks. If the play-in is Magic Heat Hawks Bulls, the Hawks getting in is far from a longshot, I'd bet on them over any of those except maybe Orlando, and even then it's pretty even.

The problem is, as a 9 or 10 seed, you have to win twice. I think a 9 seed or two have snuck in, but no 10 has ever played in, because both games you’d need to win would be on the road.

Miami is also EXTREMELY motivated to make the playoffs and convey their pick to OKC under those circumstances, as it becomes unprotected next year if it doesn’t convey. They’ll fight to the death in any prospective 8/9 playin game.

[ffadicted]

The problem is, as a 9 or 10 seed, you have to win twice. I think a 9 seed or two have snuck in, but no 10 has ever played in, because both games you’d need to win would be on the road.

Miami is also EXTREMELY motivated to make the playoffs and convey their pick to OKC under those circumstances, as it becomes unprotected next year if it doesn’t convey. They’ll fight to the death in any prospective 8/9 playin game.

Point taken as far as Miami goes, didn't consider that, but in that case Hawks might not even face them if they just win out the 7/8 game. Hawks sneaking in just really requires them beating the Bulls/76ers (we pray for the 76ers here, the nu bulls are trash edit: didn't realize 76ers just lost to the fuckin Nets yesterday jesus christ that team is dogshit), and then the Magic. IDK maybe I'm being pessimistic but I've caught a couple of Hawks games just cuz I'm invested in this pick and they don't actually look that bad atm.

[SpurSpike]

I think Spurs want to give fans a look at Fox on the home court before they shut him down for surgery. Wouldn't be surprised if he is shut down shortly after his home debut though and I wouldn't be mad about it. It is clear we are not ready for playoffs and even I am starting to lean toward the tank.

[cutewizard]

Wemby, Fox, Flagg and Castle

Defense, Offense, Superstardom, Character

You've got everything

The dream lineup

Let's go!

[Ice009]

The problem is, as a 9 or 10 seed, you have to win twice. I think a 9 seed or two have snuck in, but no 10 has ever played in, because both games you’d need to win would be on the road.

Miami is also EXTREMELY motivated to make the playoffs and convey their pick to OKC under those circumstances, as it becomes unprotected next year if it doesn’t convey. They’ll fight to the death in any prospective 8/9 playin game.

I can't remember the format. Is it 7 vs 8 and 9 vs 10 for the first game? So if they finish 9th, they get that first game at home? If that is the case, we'd really want them to finish 10th to make it much harder for them to have to win 2 games on the road.
Didn't know that about Miami's pick. Really good incentive for them to win.

[rankingtear]

We need some data on the Fox-Wemby dynamic before the offseason. CP3 experience dumping on our guards for a few more game is also important. There is less of a need to secure the odds now that Castle has shown this level of potential, but securing a forward with the pick or packaging the pick for a forward could cement our viability in the playoffs.

[Splits]

I can't remember the format. Is it 7 vs 8 and 9 vs 10 for the first game? So if they finish 9th, they get that first game at home? If that is the case, we'd really want them to finish 10th to make it much harder for them to have to win 2 games on the road.
Didn't know that about Miami's pick. Really good incentive for them to win.

First round: It's 7v10 and 8v9. If 9 or 10 lose the first round, they're out. If 9/10 both lose, 7 & 8 advance. If one of 9/10 win, they play whichever 7/8 lost and the winner goes. If both 9/10 win, they play the other 7/8 team and the winners advance.

Basically if you're 9/10 you are single elimination and have to win 2 games to advance. If you're 7/8 you have to win 1 out of 2 games to advance

[Mal]

First round: It's 7v10 and 8v9. If 9 or 10 lose the first round, they're out. If 9/10 both lose, 7 & 8 advance. If one of 9/10 win, they play whichever 7/8 lost and the winner goes. If both 9/10 win, they play the other 7/8 team and the winners advance.

Basically if you're 9/10 you are single elimination and have to win 2 games to advance. If you're 7/8 you have to win 1 out of 2 games to advance

You are wrong. Its 7-8 and 9-10. Loser of 9-10 is eliminate, loser of 7-8 have decider on home floor

[Splits]

You are wrong. Its 7-8 and 9-10. Loser of 9-10 is eliminate, loser of 7-8 have decider on home floor

You're right. Sorry about that. In this case, a picture is better than words.

https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2024/03/PlayInTournamentExmplainer-1-1568x882.jpg

[Ice009]

Cool, thanks. So the loser is out after one game, and then the winner of 9/10 gets another chance against the loser of 7/8 on their home floor on 7/8's home floor. So basically, it's best if Atlanta finish 10th, as if they're 9th, they at least get that first game on their home floor which gives them a better chance to get to the second game.

[Seventyniner]

Cool, thanks. So the loser is out after one game, and then the winner of 9/10 gets another chance against the loser of 7/8 on their home floor on 7/8's home floor. So basically, it's best if Atlanta finish 10th, as if they're 9th, they at least get that first game on their home floor which gives them a better chance to get to the second game.

I can't see the Hawks falling to 10 unless they get hit by even more injuries. They would have to get passed by the Sixers or Bulls, both of which are playing terribly right now. I'm just hoping the Hawks stay in the 9 spot so they can be only one bad game away from getting knocked out, as opposed to being one good game away from getting in if they finish 7th or 8th.

[Splits]

Since 2021

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[scott]

Point taken as far as Miami goes, didn't consider that, but in that case Hawks might not even face them if they just win out the 7/8 game. Hawks sneaking in just really requires them beating the Bulls/76ers (we pray for the 76ers here, the nu bulls are trash edit: didn't realize 76ers just lost to the fuckin Nets yesterday jesus christ that team is dogshit), and then the Magic. IDK maybe I'm being pessimistic but I've caught a couple of Hawks games just cuz I'm invested in this pick and they don't actually look that bad atm.

Anything can happen, but it sure looks like the 9th seed is the floor for ATL at this point. No one below them seems to even want the 10 seed. I think Philly is on the verge of shutting it down and trying to protect their pick (Top 6 protected) to OKC. Right now Philly is tied with BKN for the 6th seed after the Nets beat them last night. If you are Morey, you almost HAVE to shut it down, right? (Of note, BKN has won 3 in a row, PHI has lost 5 in a row). It would be malpractice for the team and for the league for Philly to hand OKC a Top 10 pick. Nets are only 1 game back in the loss column to the Bulls for the 10th seed... so it might actually be the Nets who contend for that spot, not PHI.

[scott]

If the 9 seed loses to the 10 seed in the first Play-In Round, do the lotto odds get affected, or does it still just go by regular season record? I know that if advancing out of the Play-In impacts the lottery (since the lottery is only for non-playoff teams), but does the Play-In impact it?

[Seventyniner]

If the 9 seed loses to the 10 seed in the first Play-In Round, do the lotto odds get affected, or does it still just go by regular season record? I know that if advancing out of the Play-In impacts the lottery (since the lottery is only for non-playoff teams), but does the Play-In impact it?

I'm pretty sure that lottery order is determined solely by reverse order of record for all teams that didn't make the playoffs. That includes teams that got knocked out of the play-in. So the Hawks could make it to the second play-in game, lose, and still have a draft slot ahead of a West 9/10 team that loses the first play-in game if that West team has a better record.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think they'll tank, they'll just lose a lot of games. Whatever mojo they had before has expired, probably the Pop has worn off and the Mitch is now settled in.

I also don't think Phila gets going, they fucking suck, and Atlanta looks pretty good. Trae is playing extremely well. They may just mediocre their way into the playoffs. It'll be like inexperienced Detroit or Orlando standing in the way.

Maybe the Sixers squeeze in there but can't bet on them to win a single game much less two.

Flagg is a pipe dream. But the draft is maybe like 5-6 deep. It'd be great to get in there somehow and get another strong player. Right now the team (long-term) is just Wemby-Castle-Fox, with Fox being pretty underwhelming, more a tag-a-long guy, and hopefully Sochan can get his own mojo back after his injuries. The team needs talent.

[cd98]

Hawks will only be in the lottery if something happens to Young and he's injured for a significant number of games. All the teams below them, except 76ers are in major tank mode. Sad that the 76ers suck and are going to give OKC another lottery pick. Imagine if Flagg went to OKC.

Spurs have tough competition to make the play-in as most of the teams in the West are trying to make the playoffs.

[scott]

Hawks will only be in the lottery if something happens to Young and he's injured for a significant number of games. All the teams below them, except 76ers are in major tank mode. Sad that the 76ers suck and are going to give OKC another lottery pick. Imagine if Flagg went to OKC.

Spurs have tough competition to make the play-in as most of the teams in the West are trying to make the playoffs.

Thankfully the PHI pick to OKC is protected 1-6, preventing OKC from getting too significant of a gift. This is why I think Philly might just shut it down coming out of the ASB. Right now they are tied for 6th, which also has the unintended consequence of if the Spurs happen to get lucky and get SAS or ATL to jump into the Top 4, it will deliver pick #7 or 8 to OKC. I won't be mad about it, but it's suboptimal.

[mo7888]

Anything can happen, but it sure looks like the 9th seed is the floor for ATL at this point. No one below them seems to even want the 10 seed. I think Philly is on the verge of shutting it down and trying to protect their pick (Top 6 protected) to OKC. Right now Philly is tied with BKN for the 6th seed after the Nets beat them last night. If you are Morey, you almost HAVE to shut it down, right? (Of note, BKN has won 3 in a row, PHI has lost 5 in a row). It would be malpractice for the team and for the league for Philly to hand OKC a Top 10 pick. Nets are only 1 game back in the loss column to the Bulls for the 10th seed... so it might actually be the Nets who contend for that spot, not PHI.

I think 9th seed is the most likely finish for Atlanta... they could be 8 or 10, but I don't think either are likely looking at their schedule.

[Knoxxx]

This thread only states the obvious and not in a timely manner. It’s been clear for a while now we need as high a draft pick as we can get.

[baseline bum]

Thankfully the PHI pick to OKC is protected 1-6, preventing OKC from getting too significant of a gift. This is why I think Philly might just shut it down coming out of the ASB. Right now they are tied for 6th, which also has the unintended consequence of if the Spurs happen to get lucky and get SAS or ATL to jump into the Top 4, it will deliver pick #7 or 8 to OKC. I won't be mad about it, but it's suboptimal.

Bill Simmons brought up an interesting take. Said OKC is about to have a really expensive roster so they could take that pick from Philly and bundle say 7 more firsts to trade for Flagg to have a high end player on a cost controlled salary the next four years.

[Knoxxx]

Not sure anyone gives up the top pick for any price. Our interesting twist post lottery is can we package our two 2025 FRPs to move up and if so how far. Assuming we don’t win the whole enchilada again.

[baseline bum]

Not sure anyone gives up the top pick for any price. Our interesting twist post lottery is can we package our two 2025 FRPs to move up and if so how far. Assuming we don’t win the whole enchilada again.

IDK Flagg isn't viewed in the same tier of prospect as Wemby or maybe even Anthony Davis. I could see it if OKC wants to overpay hard like that.

[tbdog]

If the 9 seed loses to the 10 seed in the first Play-In Round, do the lotto odds get affected, or does it still just go by regular season record? I know that if advancing out of the Play-In impacts the lottery (since the lottery is only for non-playoff teams), but does the Play-In impact it?

As far as I know, if you don't make the playoffs, the order of ping pong balls revert to win/loss record.

[spurraider21]

IDK Flagg isn't viewed in the same tier of prospect as Wemby or maybe even Anthony Davis. I could see it if OKC wants to overpay hard like that.
yeah, i think he's a hair below AD. i think both were crazy impressive as they played with the olympic guys before playing in the NBA. flagg on the select team did well in scrimmages, and AD made the actual team which is wild.

AD was seen as more of a sure thing franchise centerpiece, best player on both ends, in addition to his absurd athleticism/length, etc. before wemby he was the main guy i can recall getting fanfare for blocking 3 point shots

everyone loves Flagg to be sure, but i dont know if its consensus that he's a #1 on offense type player

[tim_duncan_fan]

Is Flagg actually legit?

All I know is, whoever we get needs to be long for their position and at least a GOOD shooter, if not great.

[scott]

Bill Simmons brought up an interesting take. Said OKC is about to have a really expensive roster so they could take that pick from Philly and bundle say 7 more firsts to trade for Flagg to have a high end player on a cost controlled salary the next four years.

Yeah, I think OKC is kind of at the point where these picks hold more valuable as consolidation assets. Everyone knows my love affair with Trey Murphy III... he's also someone who could make a lot of sense for OKC if NOP lands Flagg or Harper and just wants to go hard reboot, they can flip a bunch of picks and someone like Cason Wallace to NOP for Trey who's at 15% of the cap for the next 3 years.

Lots of possibilities with OKC.

[dn0774]

Obviously this greatly depends on lottery luck (or lack of), but assuming nothing too crazy happens with ping pong balls and we have 2 picks in the 7-12 range is it safe to expect the Spurs to trade off one of the picks (like the lower of the 2) akin to last season? Part of me is hoping for a consolidation in that scenario to get in the top 5 but that could be quite costly given the way this draft is being hyped up to be. Just wondering what the likely scenarios are if the current lottery math holds up for the most part.

[exstatic]

Obviously this greatly depends on lottery luck (or lack of), but assuming nothing too crazy happens with ping pong balls and we have 2 picks in the 7-12 range is it safe to expect the Spurs to trade off one of the picks (like the lower of the 2) akin to last season? Part of me is hoping for a consolidation in that scenario to get in the top 5 but that could be quite costly given the way this draft is being hyped up to be. Just wondering what the likely scenarios are if the current lottery math holds up for the most part.

Two picks, say 9,12 or 10,11 don’t hold the same value as a top 5 pick. One of those picks, plus say #5, might get you to 4 or 3.

[Knoxxx]

IDK Flagg isn't viewed in the same tier of prospect as Wemby or maybe even Anthony Davis. I could see it if OKC wants to overpay hard like that.

Flagg was labeled generational as a high school senior and nobody was disagreeing. Now he scores 23 PPG as a single season freshman for Duke. The scouting report lists not a single negative besides turnovers. Which is normal for a young player.

Not sure why all the sudden he would now be considered NOT a generational prospect.

[Knoxxx]

Two picks, say 9,12 or 10,11 don’t hold the same value as a top 5 pick. One of those picks, plus say #5, might get you to 4 or 3.

Your math could hold in some drafts, but this one has 8 wings in the top 8 that are not that widely gapped.

[Mr. Body]

No one's trading OKC Cooper Flagg. Bill Simmons needs to retire.

[exstatic]

Your math could hold in some drafts, but this one has 8 wings in the top 8 that are not that widely gapped.

I have to disagree with that assessment. Flagg is FAR better than say Tre Johnson, who’s really just a shooter. I think he’s also much better than Bailey, another scorer who doesn’t do much else and plays little defense, to boot.

[BatManu20]

Spurs ain't getting Flagg. Or a top-4 pick for that matter.

[baseline bum]

Flagg was labeled generational as a high school senior and nobody was disagreeing. Now he scores 23 PPG as a single season freshman for Duke. The scouting report lists not a single negative besides turnovers. Which is normal for a young player.

Not sure why all the sudden he would now be considered NOT a generational prospect.

Flagg has been viewed as a comes around every 6-7 years level prospect, not every 10-20 years like Wemby. Probably the second best prospect since Davis, probably even over Luka who was a no-brainer franchise player and clearly over Zion and Ben Simmons who had major question marks (Zion's weight, Simmons not even being able to get LSU into the NCAA tournament). So yeah I think very highly of Flagg but he could be gettable in trade unlike a prospect in the tier of Wemby, LeBron, Tim, Shaq, Kareem, or Wilt.

[dn0774]

Interesting that Cooper Flagg has a twin, nowhere near as gifted though. Would've been funny to have had another Amen/Ausar Thompson scenario lol.

[baseline bum]

yeah, i think he's a hair below AD. i think both were crazy impressive as they played with the olympic guys before playing in the NBA. flagg on the select team did well in scrimmages, and AD made the actual team which is wild.

AD was seen as more of a sure thing franchise centerpiece, best player on both ends, in addition to his absurd athleticism/length, etc. before wemby he was the main guy i can recall getting fanfare for blocking 3 point shots

everyone loves Flagg to be sure, but i dont know if its consensus that he's a #1 on offense type player

Yeah Davis might have been the best college player since Ralph Sampson just based on that one year at Kentucky. Too bad he was such a faggot in NO.

[exstatic]

Yeah Davis might have been the best college player since Ralph Sampson just based on that one year at Kentucky. Too bad he was such a faggot in NO.
Funny thing is, LeBron threw him away like yesterday’s trash when he was done with him.

[baseline bum]

Funny thing is, LeBron threw him away like yesterday’s trash when he was done with him.

Doubt LeBron had anything to do with that. James would have probably kept him at the expense of the Lakers future if he could have since Luka is a ball hawk just like him.

[Knoxxx]

I have to disagree with that assessment. Flagg is FAR better than say Tre Johnson, who’s really just a shooter. I think he’s also much better than Bailey, another scorer who doesn’t do much else and plays little defense, to boot.

You are jumping to compare more like the 1 v 7 player. You said it would be super hard to even trade up within the 3-5 range. I’m saying the 3-8 range is fluid enough to almost say who cares within that range. You can’t just suddenly switch the debate about trading up to only the top 1 or 2 picks, LOL.

[scott]

How many generational talents can one generation have?

This term "generational" gets diluted so much. To be a generational talent means you are the best of that generation. You can't have a generational talent every couple of years.

Saw a reddit post the other day asking if Nash and Barkley were generational players, lol

[TD 21]

Flagg has been viewed as a comes around every 6-7 years level prospect, not every 10-20 years like Wemby. Probably the second best prospect since Davis, probably even over Luka who was a no-brainer franchise player and clearly over Zion and Ben Simmons who had major question marks (Zion's weight, Simmons not even being able to get LSU into the NCAA tournament). So yeah I think very highly of Flagg but he could be gettable in trade unlike a prospect in the tier of Wemby, LeBron, Tim, Shaq, Kareem, or Wilt.

Flagg looks like a complementary star in the mold of Kirilenko, (Josh) Smith, Barnes, etc. That might seem like a knock, but the first two had seasons where they were top 5-10 in VORP; they just weren't the hub of the offense or defensive anchors.

Still, because he's the best white American prospect in eons and the marketing potential associated with it, he was always a lock to go 1st and is probably literally untouchable for what could realistically be offered (so no Wembanyama, Doncic, etc.).

[exstatic]

You are jumping to compare more like the 1 v 7 player. You said it would be super hard to even trade up within the 3-5 range. I’m saying the 3-8 range is fluid enough to almost say who cares within that range. You can’t just suddenly switch the debate about trading up to only the top 1 or 2 picks, LOL.

Actually, I didn’t say that. I said it would be nearly impossible to trade INTO the top 5 with the picks we look to have. In a hypothetical where we have the #5 pick, nearly impossible at this juncture, and like a 10 or 11 pick, you might be able to trade up to 4 or maybe 3, depending on exactly where that other pick lies.

That 3-8 range statement is a retcon. What you originally said was that there were 8 wings without much separation at the top 8 spots, and I kind of took that apart like a cooked chicken. I would even argue that your 3-8 walkback statement isn’t accurate. I’d much rather have Edgecombe than Kneupple because he shoots a slightly better percentage from 3 on slightly fewer attempts, but he is a fucking animal on defense, creating all kinds of defensive events.

[scott]

Actually, I didn’t say that. I said it would be nearly impossible to trade INTO the top 5 with the picks we look to have. In a hypothetical where we have the #5 pick, nearly impossible at this juncture, and like a 10 or 11 pick, you might be able to trade up to 4 or maybe 3, depending on exactly where that other pick lies.

That 3-8 range statement is a retcon. What you originally said was that there were 8 wings without much separation at the top 8 spots, and I kind of took that apart like a cooked chicken. I would even argue that your 3-8 walkback statement isn’t accurate. I’d much rather have Edgecombe than Kneupple because he shoots a slightly better percentage from 3 on slightly fewer attempts, but he is a fucking animal on defense, creating all kinds of defensive events.

I'd rather have Edgecombe over Knueppel for a lot more reasons than that. IMO, there is a pretty massive separation between the various guys in the top 8, let alone the top 8 wings (which you alluded to in your cooked chicken analogy). You're spot on, no one is going to pass up a Top 4 guy in this draft for picks #9 and #12 or something like that.

[Dejounte]

The Spurs need to draft a guy who can win the ROY next year. The expectations should be high. After Castle, they have my full faith. A lot of here focused on his lack of shooting and harped on it a lot. I knew (and still know) that shooting is an overrated skill when gauging prospects.

[Knoxxx]

I'd rather have Edgecombe over Knueppel for a lot more reasons than that. IMO, there is a pretty massive separation between the various guys in the top 8, let alone the top 8 wings (which you alluded to in your cooked chicken analogy). You're spot on, no one is going to pass up a Top 4 guy in this draft for picks #9 and #12 or something like that.

He was saying nobody is going to trade like our 5 and 11 for the 3 or 4 pick. That’s a far different statement than nobody would trade our 8 and 11 pick for their 3 pick. So I questioned his math. Then he comes back and admits that we can’t even have the 5 pick to begin with. But I end up being the person who is math challenged. And if we were penalizing posters for not using plain language he’d be crucified.

But other than that I like him. He just disagrees with every single thing people post. Part of his charm I suppose, but when he says stupid stuff I don’t mind taking the bait occasionally just for fun. He overthinks things so much that it’s funny.

As far as the statement about not caring related the three through eight, I do have a habit of fast forwarding ahead of others thought processes. First off, if we get a top 4 pick the whole debate is moot. Next we are really left debating between the 8 and the 5 position being flat. I happen to like the guys like McNeeley and Knuepel just fine there because we need SFs the most. Edgecombe is yet another moot point because he’s top 4.

That should get you both up to speed, sorry for fast forwarding to the end of the discussion and carelessly mentioning the 3 through 8 but that obscured that his trade post (an 11 and 5 would not even get you a 3 or 4) was highly flawed to begin with.

[exstatic]

He was saying nobody is going to trade like our 5 and 11 for the 3 or 4 pick. That’s a far different statement than nobody would trade our 8 and 11 pick for their 3 pick. So I questioned his math. Then he comes back and admits that we can’t even have the 5 pick to begin with. But I end up being the person who is math challenged. And if we were penalizing posters for not using plain language he’d be crucified.

But other than that I like him. He just disagrees with every single thing people post. Part of his charm I suppose, but when he says stupid stuff I don’t mind taking the bait occasionally just for fun. He overthinks things so much that it’s funny.

As far as the statement about not caring related the three through eight, I do have a habit of fast forwarding ahead of others thought processes. First off, if we get a top 4 pick the whole debate is moot. Next we are really left debating between the 8 and the 5 position being flat. I happen to like the guys like McNeeley and Knuepel just fine there because we need SFs the most. Edgecombe is yet another moot point because he’s top 4.

That should get you both up to speed, sorry for fast forwarding to the end of the discussion and carelessly mentioning the 3 through 8 but that obscured that his trade post (an 11 and 5 would not even get you a 3 or 4) was highly flawed to begin with.

That’s actually the opposite of what I was saying. I said that COULD happen, but we ain’t getting into the top 4 or 5 with our likely 9-12 picks. Go back and read it again. I did post the extraneous info on it being almost impossible to get the 5 pick in this draft, but if I didn’t someone would have called me out on it.

[scott]

He was saying nobody is going to trade like our 5 and 11 for the 3 or 4 pick. That’s a far different statement than nobody would trade our 8 and 11 pick for their 3 pick. So I questioned his math. Then he comes back and admits that we can’t even have the 5 pick to begin with. But I end up being the person who is math challenged. And if we were penalizing posters for not using plain language he’d be crucified.

But other than that I like him. He just disagrees with every single thing people post. Part of his charm I suppose, but when he says stupid stuff I don’t mind taking the bait occasionally just for fun. He overthinks things so much that it’s funny.

As far as the statement about not caring related the three through eight, I do have a habit of fast forwarding ahead of others thought processes. First off, if we get a top 4 pick the whole debate is moot. Next we are really left debating between the 8 and the 5 position being flat. I happen to like the guys like McNeeley and Knuepel just fine there because we need SFs the most. Edgecombe is yet another moot point because he’s top 4.

That should get you both up to speed, sorry for fast forwarding to the end of the discussion and carelessly mentioning the 3 through 8 but that obscured that his trade post (an 11 and 5 would not even get you a 3 or 4) was highly flawed to begin with.

I was just commenting on the part I commented on, sir. Whatever beef y'all have is no concern of mine.

My opinion is that Knueppel and McNeeley will be fine picks to eventually be bench role players or maybe a 5th option 3&D wing, but I'm not super jazzed about either unless we're picking like number 11-16 and the rest of the options are looking pretty barren. There are other options with a lot more upside IMO, but I'm by no means an expert. Enjoy reading everyone's opinions on prospects though.

[Knoxxx]

That’s actually the opposite of what I was saying. I said that COULD happen, but we ain’t getting into the top 4 or 5 with our likely 9-12 picks. Go back and read it again. I did post the extraneous info on it being almost impossible to get the 5 pick in this draft, but if I didn’t someone would have called me out on it.

Apology accepted! So in the future I’ll just need you be more careful that each of your posts carries forward logically and independently.

Retcon!?! Nobody talks like that wild man!

[rascal]

He was saying nobody is going to trade like our 5 and 11 for the 3 or 4 pick. That’s a far different statement than nobody would trade our 8 and 11 pick for their 3 pick. So I questioned his math. Then he comes back and admits that we can’t even have the 5 pick to begin with. But I end up being the person who is math challenged. And if we were penalizing posters for not using plain language he’d be crucified.

But other than that I like him. He just disagrees with every single thing people post. Part of his charm I suppose, but when he says stupid stuff I don’t mind taking the bait occasionally just for fun. He overthinks things so much that it’s funny.

As far as the statement about not caring related the three through eight, I do have a habit of fast forwarding ahead of others thought processes. First off, if we get a top 4 pick the whole debate is moot. Next we are really left debating between the 8 and the 5 position being flat. I happen to like the guys like McNeeley and Knuepel just fine there because we need SFs the most. Edgecombe is yet another moot point because he’s top 4.

That should get you both up to speed, sorry for fast forwarding to the end of the discussion and carelessly mentioning the 3 through 8 but that obscured that his trade post (an 11 and 5 would not even get you a 3 or 4) was highly flawed to begin with.

Ex said Castle wasn't athletic. He's wrong as much as anyone else in here.

[exstatic]

Ex said Castle wasn't athletic. He's wrong as much as anyone else in here.
I never said that. He’s not super quick, but he has good vertical pop off of two feet. I also don’t think he needs quickness with his combination of strength/size and balance in the paint. I’ve been team Castle as long as anyone here.

[Splits]

Ex said Castle wasn't athletic. He's wrong as much as anyone else in here.

you do understand how stupid that guy is?

[exstatic]

you do understand how stupid that guy is?

rascal is the stupid idiot, because I never said that.

[rascal]

rascal is the stupid idiot, because I never said that.

Yes you did. I argued with you on it.

[exstatic]

Yes you did. I argued with you on it.

I didn’t launch the boat, but I was on team Castle very early. Is he Derrick Rose or John Wall? No, but those guys, complete with actual basketball skills, come around maybe once a decade. He’s not super quick, but Joel Embiid isn’t, either, and no one would call him unathletic. He doesn’t have top level burst to blow past people off the bounce. He doesn’t need it, though. He uses balance, footwork and ball handling to get to the rim, even without a jump shot, but even at UConn, you could see that he had vertical pop.