View Full Version : Trump's war on science and productivity
Winehole23
02-23-2025, 11:24 AM
could also kill a bunch of universities into the bargain
DOGE is national self-wounding on a monumental scale
https://images.ctfassets.net/ou0qvg08mzx4/1oDpdSW9XUE9bU8Foj2Ce9/19f1673f0d7ad894a03c2c6b778aa65c/infographic_NIH_funding.jpg?fm=webp&w=3840&q=75SourcesCongressional Research Service. National Institutes of Health (NIH) Funding: FY1996-FY2023. Updated January 31, 2023. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43341/45 (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43341/45).
National Institutes of Health. Direct Economic Contributions. National Institutes of Health. https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/impact-nih-research/serving-society/direct-economic-contributions (https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/impact-nih-research/serving-society/direct-economic-contributions).
National Institutes of Health. NIH Research Highlights. National Institutes of Health. https://www.nih.gov/research-training/nih-research-highlights (https://www.nih.gov/research-training/nih-research-highlights)
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Zhou EW, Jackson MJ, Ledley FD. Spending on Phased Clinical Development of Approved Drugs by the US National Institutes of Health Compared With Industry. JAMA Health Forum. 2023;4(7):e231921. Published 2023 Jul 7. doi:10.1001/jamahealthforum.2023.1921.https://wewillcure.com/insights/entrepreneurship/nih-funding-drives-economic-gains-jobs-and-better-health-infographic
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02-23-2025, 03:26 PM
Leave a score among them!!!
SnakeBoy
02-23-2025, 03:48 PM
Big pharma can fund them
Winehole23
02-23-2025, 04:10 PM
Big pharma can fund themthey won't though
We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.
It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.
baseline bum
02-23-2025, 04:43 PM
Big pharma can fund them
That's not the way capitalism works.
FrostKing
02-23-2025, 04:44 PM
We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.
It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.
Didn't you hear, we're going Green energy :lol
Europe was about to drop a Trillion in funds to be a cool continent while slashing jobs and nuking industries in the process. Yaaa that cute little pet project is being put to the side.
baseline bum
02-23-2025, 04:44 PM
We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.
It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.
Oh fuck off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bullshit like our national offense spending.
Winehole23
02-23-2025, 05:13 PM
We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.
It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.so, you support the El0n/Trump junta?
Winehole23
02-23-2025, 05:18 PM
Not sure where I've heard this kind of "ends justify the means" talk before.
Do you believe the ends justify the means, DMX7?
Winehole23
02-23-2025, 05:20 PM
"Because of a contingent future probability that is by no means averted by destroying our form of goverment, it is necessary to destroy our form of government right now"
Winehole23
02-23-2025, 05:22 PM
Just assuming you're aware of Trump's intention to wreck the revenue side with more tax cuts...
ChumpDumper
02-23-2025, 05:31 PM
We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.
It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.This is not what Trump and President Elon are doing.
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02-23-2025, 05:39 PM
Oh fuck off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bullshit like our national offense spending.
Okay, cut said bullshit.
SnakeBoy
02-23-2025, 06:24 PM
Oh fuck off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bullshit like our national offense spending.
Oh fuck off SQW's
Oh fuck off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bullshit like our national offense spending.
We're running a $2 trillion deficit and in good economic times. We're going to have to cut both though to what extent is appropriate is debatable.
It's still going to have to be dramatic cuts.
When you say "productive" -- this is pretty vague. You can always make economic arguments for the vast majority of government spending including military. People will say things to the effect of "it creates jobs" or "has an economic multiplier effect" or something like that.
baseline bum
02-23-2025, 09:26 PM
We're running a $2 trillion deficit and in good economic times. We're going to have to cut both though to what extent is appropriate is debatable.
It's still going to have to be dramatic cuts.
When you say "productive" -- this is pretty vague. You can always make economic arguments for the vast majority of government spending including military. People will say things to the effect of "it creates jobs" or "has an economic multiplier effect" or something like that.
You're a fucking dumbass, Trump's cutting the NIH funding so he can give his fellow robber barons a giant tax cut.
You're a fucking dumbass, Trump's cutting the NIH funding so he can give his fellow robber barons a giant tax cut.
Tax cuts or not, steep cuts are going to have to come regardless. Tax cuts will just mean the spending cuts have to be even more aggressive but get used to it unless you want to see us spiral towards bankruptcy. Even the billionaires like Musk know everyone will pay if the government implodes because of the debt spiral.
I know it makes you mad, but I can't wish it away for you.
ChumpDumper
02-23-2025, 10:03 PM
Tax cuts or not, steep cuts are going to have to come regardless. Tax cuts will just mean the spending cuts have to be even more aggressive but get used to it unless you want to see us spiral towards bankruptcy. Even the billionaires like Musk know everyone will pay if the government implodes because of the debt spiral.
I know it makes you mad, but I can't wish it away for you.:lol they don't care.
I can't wish that away for you.
baseline bum
02-23-2025, 10:03 PM
Tax cuts or not, steep cuts are going to have to come regardless. Tax cuts will just mean the cutting has to be even more aggressive but get used to it unless you want to see us spiral towards bankruptcy. Even the billionaires like Musk know everyone will pay if the government implodes because of the debt spiral.
I know it makes you mad, but I can't wish it away for you.
It's bad faith bullshit to whine about spending when you know 100% Trump is going to blow the deficit to hell just like he did last time just like every single Republican does to deliver tax cuts to the ruling class
DarrinS
02-23-2025, 10:12 PM
It's bad faith bullshit to whine about spending when you know 100% Trump is going to blow the deficit to hell just like he did last time just like every single Republican does to deliver tax cuts to the ruling class
My taxes were cut under Trump and Biden kept those cuts. I'm not a billionaire
DarrinS
02-23-2025, 10:13 PM
I'm for cutting gain of function research from NIH
ChumpDumper
02-23-2025, 10:14 PM
My taxes were cut under Trump and Biden kept those cuts. I'm not a billionaireHe sure didn't pay down the debt like you pretend he will.:lol
:lol they don't care.
I can't wish that away for you.
No, I think most care including Musk. A government crippled by a debt crisis will have to cut funding for his beloved projects like SpaceX. He is also a businessman that knows how to cut costs.
ChumpDumper
02-23-2025, 10:23 PM
No, I think most care including Musk. A government crippled by a debt crisis will have to cut funding for his beloved projects like SpaceX. He is also a businessman that knows how to cut costs.Which of his SpaceX contracts is Elon canceling?
How much did he pay in taxes to help out with the debt?
baseline bum
02-23-2025, 10:28 PM
No, I think most care including Musk. A government crippled by a debt crisis will have to cut funding for his beloved projects like SpaceX. He is also a businessman that knows how to cut costs.
Jesus fucking Christ what a dipshit you are to think Musk cares about the national debt.
Winehole23
02-24-2025, 06:58 AM
Jesus fucking Christ what a dipshit you are to think Musk cares about the national debt.No way Musk will get in the way of the permanent extension of the 2017 tax cuts that will blow up the deficit -- again
Winehole23
02-24-2025, 08:22 AM
kneecapping the IRS with mass firings during tax season will put a stitch in US revenue -- worsening the fiscal imbalance
Which of his SpaceX contracts is Elon canceling?
Who said they needed to be canceled? Not everything is being eliminated.
How much did he pay in taxes to help out with the debt?
How am I supposed to know? Undoubtedly a lot more than you.
ChumpDumper
02-24-2025, 08:34 PM
Who said they needed to be canceled? Not everything is being eliminated.
How convenient. I guess your Elon decided spending your tax money on your Elon is great!
How am I supposed to know? Financial disclosures for federal appointees are usually public.
Why not for your Elon?
How convenient. I guess your Elon decided spending your tax money on your Elon is great!
He's not my Elon but he sends military satellites into space much much cheaper than the government payed with the other supplier.
He also bailed out NASA when Boeing dropped the ball on returning astronauts from the International Space Station.
Financial disclosures for federal appointees are usually public.
Why not for your Elon?
Are you sure those disclose all your tax payments?
ChumpDumper
02-24-2025, 08:43 PM
He's not my Elon but he sends military satellites into space much much cheaper than the government payed with the other supplier.
He also bailed out NASA when Boeing dropped the ball on returning astronauts from the International Space Station.So whatever your Elon does is OK with you and you'll take your Elon's word about your Elon and everyone else.
Are you sure those disclose all your tax payments?
I guess we'll never know.
Your Elon definitely has all your tax information now. You approve.
So whatever your Elon does is OK with you and you'll take your Elon's word about your Elon and everyone else.
Ughhh... is that what I wrote? :lol
I guess we'll never know.
You're the one who brought it up. You should know.
ChumpDumper
02-24-2025, 08:47 PM
Ughhh... is that what I wrote? :LOL You don't take your Elon at his word?
Pick a lane.
You're the one who brought it up. You should know.
Wouldn't matter if that information was in there. Your Elon's financial disclosure is a state secret. And you're fine with it.
Winehole23
03-12-2025, 08:51 AM
they hate knowledge and science and want to replace it Republican folklore
Johns Hopkins Plans Staff Layoffs After $800 Million Grant Cuts (https://www.wsj.com/health/healthcare/johns-hopkins-federal-funding-foreign-aid-cut-ca841d31)
Local and international health research efforts are already winding down as the university braces for even more potential cuts
Winehole23
03-13-2025, 06:54 AM
it's penny wise for pound foolish to dismantle NIH
National Institutes of Health grants generated almost $95 billion in economic activity nationwide according to ajust-released report (https://www.unitedformedicalresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/UMR_NIH-Role-in-Sustaining-US-Economy-FY2024-2025-Update.pdf) by United for Medical Research.
The report, which is published annually, found that NIH awarded $36.94 billion in external grants to researchers across all 5o states and the District of Columbia in fiscal year 2024.
Its analysis shows that those grant awards supported 407,782 jobs and $94.58 billion in new economic activity nationwide, the largest figure in the history of the report. That translates to a return on investment of $2.56 for every $1 in awards.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2025/03/12/nih-grants-fueled-95-billion-in-economic-activity-finds-new-report/
Winehole23
03-13-2025, 07:07 AM
UMass rescinding all graduate admissions in 2025
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