View Full Version : Free speech illegal for legal non- citizens per Trump
Blake
03-11-2025, 08:35 AM
"....The Post reported that the names of visa-reliant international students who had participated in pro-Palestinian protests were being gathered by a pro-Israel organization, Betar, which wants to make them return home under President Trump.
Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University student who led pro-Palestinian protests and a green card holder, was arrested over the weekend by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
“We will be revoking the visas and/or green cards of Hamas supporters in America so they can be deported,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Sunday in a post on X, also sharing a news report on Khalil...."
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5187164-ann-coulter-arrest-columbia-protester-free-speech/
Blake
03-11-2025, 08:39 AM
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Even crazy Ann Coulter thinks this is a reach
Blake
03-11-2025, 08:41 AM
Lol the tweet is gone.
Here's the article though:
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5187164-ann-coulter-arrest-columbia-protester-free-speech/
Blake
03-11-2025, 08:43 AM
".....When reached for comment by The Hill, Betar said in an email that they “confirm we provide information on jihadis.”
“We also believe naturalized citizens will also soon face consequences as our president has said,” they continued..."
Sure. At this point, what's the difference?
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 09:22 AM
protesting the policies/actions of the government of Israel isn't pro-Hamas or antisemitic as such, Israelis do it every day
but even if it were, political expression is protected by our nominal form of government
if Trump can denaturalize people because they say things he doesn't like, we basically no longer have a constitution, we have a king
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 09:26 AM
it's super woke to strip people of fundamental rights for what they say
it's cancel culture, turbo-charged
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 10:14 AM
unsurprisingly, Trumplandia seems to have relied on a McCarthy era law that gives State the power to deport noncitizens
This seems to confirm (https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3lk46akcx6c2y) that the Trump admin invoked an obscure Cold War-era law, INA 237(a)(4)(C), which authorizes the Secretary of State to *personally* order any noncitizen to be deported on the grounds that their presence "would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences."
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:2vtbmhmrwzbqcfv4we4uxzzt/bafkreifd7zs4hct55vw674hyxwie3qzstutvoazqb7jetluyc xtuewsylu@jpeg
Spurs Homer
03-11-2025, 10:18 AM
but but - why didn't ANYONE warn us that trump wanted to be a dictator on day 1????
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 10:19 AM
trump did
Spurs Homer
03-11-2025, 10:21 AM
trump did
no no no
but but WHY didn't you make us BELIEVE YOU!
Blake
03-11-2025, 11:27 AM
Man these forum Trump tards have scattered like roaches when the lights come on
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 12:18 PM
Man these forum Trump tards have scattered like roaches when the lights come onthey'll be back
"you asked for it"
"whatever it takes"
ChumpDumper
03-11-2025, 12:36 PM
Waiting for their talking points to be handed down.
"....The Post reported that the names of visa-reliant international students who had participated in pro-Palestinian protests were being gathered by a pro-Israel organization, Betar, which wants to make them return home under President Trump.
Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University student who led pro-Palestinian protests and a green card holder, was arrested over the weekend by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
“We will be revoking the visas and/or green cards of Hamas supporters in America so they can be deported,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Sunday in a post on X, also sharing a news report on Khalil...."
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5187164-ann-coulter-arrest-columbia-protester-free-speech/FAFO
https://www.yeklaw.com/blog/2022/july/what-is-inadmissibility-for-terrorists-activitie/
ChumpDumper
03-11-2025, 01:32 PM
"Fuck free speech!"
--TSAnon
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 01:54 PM
FAFO
https://www.yeklaw.com/blog/2022/july/what-is-inadmissibility-for-terrorists-activitie/in your own words, how do the facts fit the case?
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03-11-2025, 02:25 PM
FAFO
https://www.yeklaw.com/blog/2022/july/what-is-inadmissibility-for-terrorists-activitie/
Bingo!!!
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 02:45 PM
"We got a special procedure for terrorists and he's a terrorist" begs a lot of questions
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03-11-2025, 02:53 PM
"We got a special procedure for terrorists and he's a terrorist" begs a lot of questions
Once & again you're gonna need the House, Winester.
Blake
03-11-2025, 03:28 PM
"Fuck free speech!"
--TSAnon
But leave muh 2nd menmunt alone
Thread
03-11-2025, 03:39 PM
But leave muh 2nd menmunt alone
And that's the monumental point>>>that 2nd Amendment.
As long as we have that you're at the curb instead of the front door.
"We got a special procedure for terrorists and he's a terrorist" begs a lot of questionsThese are specified in INA § 212(a)(3)(B) and commonly referred to as Terrorism Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)
-Who are a representative of a terrorist organization or a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity
-Who endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 03:51 PM
Ok, how do those facts fit the case?
I'm not seeing it
Ok, how do those facts fit the case?
I'm not seeing it
https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1821374941909942650
He has acted as a spokesman for an anti-Israel, pro-Hamas student group called Columbia University Apartheid Divest or CUAD.
CUAD says it is "fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization."
CUAD believes that Oct 7 was a “moral, military, and political victory."
CUAD justified Oct. 7 by declaring “violence is the only path forward”.
Khalil was the negotiator on behalf of students who started a tent city on Columbia's campus and who illegally took over a campus building.
Khalil distributed pamphlets of pro-Hamas propaganda, titled "Operation Al-Aqsa Flood: Our Narrative." Al-Aqsa Flood is Hamas's code name for the 10/7 terrorist attacks.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1899501012727353802
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 04:08 PM
Sounds like a guilt by association deal, is Khalil a member of CUAD?
Is it a crime somehow, or otherwise damaging to US foreign policy, to have been a negotiator at a protest?
Is it a crime, or otherwise damaging to US foreign policy, to distribute a counter-narrative at a US university or college?
Most of the facts attested seem to consist of speech, and the guilt of the guy who got nicked on the facts attested seems not well filled in.
ChumpDumper
03-11-2025, 04:12 PM
Charlie Kirk?
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 04:18 PM
So, now we have a US president directly policing universities for offensive speech
Is that about the size of it?
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 04:19 PM
and promising to denaturalize Americans for speech
Blake
03-11-2025, 04:25 PM
Charlie Kirk?
:lol
Blake
03-11-2025, 04:26 PM
So, now we have a US president directly policing universities for offensive speech
Is that about the size of it?
Not even a public university at that
Sounds like a guilt by association deal, is Khalil a member of CUAD?
Is it a crime somehow, or otherwise damaging to US foreign policy, to have been a negotiator at a protest?
Is it a crime, or otherwise damaging to US foreign policy, to distribute a counter-narrative at a US university or college?
Most of the facts attested seem to consist of speech, and the guilt of the guy who got nicked on the facts attested seems not well filled in.
Is Khalil a member of CUAD :rollin
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-845664
Is Khalil a member of CUAD :rollin
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-845664
These are specified in INA § 212(a)(3)(B) and commonly referred to as Terrorism Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)
-Who are a representative of a terrorist organization or a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity
-Who endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 04:31 PM
Is Khalil a member of CUAD :rollin
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-845664Ok
So CUAD has very radical beliefs.
I notice there isn't anything in the article that describes participation in violence or terrorism by CUAD.
Are beliefs and speech really enough to deport people?
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 04:33 PM
These are specified in INA § 212(a)(3)(B) and commonly referred to as Terrorism Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)
-Who are a representative of a terrorist organization or a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity
-Who endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organizationYeah, y'all also dug up a McCarthy era law that has been used sporadically ever since.
In the 1950s it was used to keep out European Jews
Blake
03-11-2025, 04:57 PM
"CNN
—
A federal judge in New York has blocked any efforts by President Donald Trump’s administration to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a Palestinian activist at Columbia University who was arrested Saturday night, until a conference Wednesday, according to court documents..."
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/us/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-university-israel-hnk/index.html
Blake
03-11-2025, 05:00 PM
These are specified in INA § 212(a)(3)(B) and commonly referred to as Terrorism Related Inadmissibility Grounds (TRIG)
-Who are a representative of a terrorist organization or a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity
-Who endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization
The stretching is incredible.
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 05:22 PM
there are already criminal laws against terrorism, the sort of "terrorism" you see enforced in this case is the kind of highly contrived guilt by association/speech crime typical of the GWOT 20 years ago, the Puerto Rican nationalist scare of the 1970s and 80s, and the McCarthy era.
Winehole23
03-11-2025, 05:25 PM
the argument is mostly stipulated facts by the controlling authority, as above by TSA
connecc da dots
SnakeBoy
03-11-2025, 05:47 PM
"We got a special procedure for terrorists and he's a terrorist" begs a lot of questions
It didn't when Ole Joe branded Tulsi a terrorist
ChumpDumper
03-11-2025, 06:35 PM
It didn't when Ole Joe branded Tulsi a terroristNah, she was branded a foreign asset.
She still is.
Blake
03-11-2025, 06:52 PM
Wait, Joe had Tulsi arrested on terrorist charges?
Ok
So CUAD has very radical beliefs.
I notice there isn't anything in the article that describes participation in violence or terrorism by CUAD.
Are beliefs and speech really enough to deport people?
Is Khalil a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity? yes or no.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1899883772356821006
ChumpDumper
03-12-2025, 02:05 PM
He should have just said he's a proud boy now.
Yonivore
03-12-2025, 02:08 PM
The same members of Congress who refused to stand as Trump honored a child beating cancer and families who lost loved ones to murderous illegal immigrants are now defending an Arab immigrant who is a leader of a group that sympathizes with terror organizations Hamas and Hezbollah and calls for the “end of Western civilization.” Defending him is a strange hill to die on, but the Dems have become a very strange party.
Please don't change...it'll make the midterms so much more satisfying.
Meanwhile, back in a sane America, Inflation has been cut by more than 1/2 in the first month of the Trump presidency while eggs are down $2.00/dozen -- on average.
And, the administration seems to getting the upper hand on an activist judiciary that seems to want to run the administrative branch.
Promises made, promises kept.
Spurs Homer
03-12-2025, 02:51 PM
Very fine people…on both sides!
ChumpDumper
03-12-2025, 02:58 PM
The same members of Congress who refused to stand as Trump honored a child beating cancer and families who lost loved ones to murderous illegal immigrants are now defending an Arab immigrant who is a leader of a group that sympathizes with terror organizations Hamas and Hezbollah and calls for the “end of Western civilization.” Defending him is a strange hill to die on, but the Dems have become a very strange party.
Please don't change...it'll make the midterms so much more satisfying.
Meanwhile, back in a sane America, Inflation has been cut by more than 1/2 in the first month of the Trump presidency while eggs are down $2.00/dozen -- on average.
And, the administration seems to getting the upper hand on an activist judiciary that seems to want to run the administrative branch.
Promises made, promises kept.:lol look who got his talking points today.
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03-12-2025, 03:13 PM
Very fine people…on both sides!
Yep, that point of time remains Trump's finest hour. I/We were at a juncture where the old man had to decide where he stood. He slept on it over night came out the next day and I wasn't sure what he would do...bend over like all those before him, OR act like somebody. He acted like somebody. CNN has never been the same.
I told him then on the Twitter than he'd never look and not find me there. He followed me then. The President of the United States followed me.
Let us proceed...
koriwhat
03-12-2025, 03:14 PM
And the weak males cry again! Lmfao
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03-12-2025, 03:14 PM
The same members of Congress who refused to stand as Trump honored a child beating cancer and families who lost loved ones to murderous illegal immigrants are now defending an Arab immigrant who is a leader of a group that sympathizes with terror organizations Hamas and Hezbollah and calls for the “end of Western civilization.” Defending him is a strange hill to die on, but the Dems have become a very strange party.
Please don't change...it'll make the midterms so much more satisfying.
Meanwhile, back in a sane America, Inflation has been cut by more than 1/2 in the first month of the Trump presidency while eggs are down $2.00/dozen -- on average.
And, the administration seems to getting the upper hand on an activist judiciary that seems to want to run the administrative branch.
Promises made, promises kept.
Fuckin' 'eh!!!
koriwhat
03-12-2025, 03:15 PM
Very fine people…on both sides!
Still you can't recall the context because frankly you've probably only seen 2 sec clips from msnbs and the like. Low info consumer retard SH!
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03-12-2025, 03:16 PM
Is Khalil a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity? yes or no.
Oh, Winester? ---You've been called, lovin' man.---
Winehole23
03-13-2025, 09:50 AM
DHS guy can't answer questions
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/nx-s1-5326015/dhs-deputy-secretary-troy-edgar-discusses-arrest-of-protest-leader-deportations
Winehole23
03-13-2025, 09:59 AM
Trumplandia policing antisemitism is like Raylan Givens protecting a pint of ice cream -- out of character
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/ee/7e/47ee7e14539e38304c2c8576d57a7ade.png
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:xqq623dyan7ggmf2vvc26ogq/bafkreidu4d4wjl2wxhqollpvno7jh2k4pmapsunlg46g73kmu u6dfb6bwu@jpeg
DHS guy can't answer questions
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/13/nx-s1-5326015/dhs-deputy-secretary-troy-edgar-discusses-arrest-of-protest-leader-deportations
Neither can you.
Is Khalil a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity? yes or no.
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03-13-2025, 01:26 PM
Trumplandia policing antisemitism is like Raylan Givens protecting a pint of ice cream -- out of character
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/ee/7e/47ee7e14539e38304c2c8576d57a7ade.png
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:xqq623dyan7ggmf2vvc26ogq/bafkreidu4d4wjl2wxhqollpvno7jh2k4pmapsunlg46g73kmu u6dfb6bwu@jpeg
Treating Jews like shit good now. Usually you can't say a bad fuckin' thing about Jews and if you do you're kicked off the attending Internet site.
tee, hee.
Winehole23
03-13-2025, 07:02 PM
Treating Jews like shit good now. Usually you can't say a bad fuckin' thing about Jews and if you do you're kicked off the attending Internet site.
tee, hee.that's what Trump is doing
he just called well over half of American Jews bad Jews
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03-13-2025, 09:43 PM
that's what Trump is doing
he just called well over half of American Jews bad Jews
Well, it's permitted now and for limited time only till that Hamas kid is settled in America forever more.
Knoxxx
03-13-2025, 10:58 PM
Free speech for me but not for the.
Govt handouts for me but not for the either…
ElNono
03-14-2025, 01:03 AM
:madrun why are the courts blocking the king's shit left and right? :madrun
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03-14-2025, 07:14 AM
:madrun why are the courts blocking the king's shit left and right? :madrun
10,000+ jobs down the shitter for the USPS!
Winehole23
03-14-2025, 07:17 AM
Oh, Winester? ---You've been called, lovin' man.---"espouses terrorist activity" sounds like speech, not terrorism
this is not a bomb
https://p.turbosquid.com/ts-thumb/v5/IuwHAz/CI/roundbomb/jpg/1648751399/1920x1080/fit_q87/7dcdc7263e1ab4afe205f9a11cf1ebff2f8e5e11/roundbomb.jpg
Winehole23
03-14-2025, 02:12 PM
y'all aren't punishing terrorism, you're punishing speech
Blake
03-14-2025, 02:33 PM
Neither can you.
Is Khalil a member of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity? yes or no.
Obviously you think he is. Prove it.
And then prove how what he has said/done isn't protected under the 1st Amendment.
Winehole23
03-15-2025, 12:00 AM
Well, it's permitted now and for limited time only till that Hamas kid is settled in America forever more.yeah, I also have noticed that antisemitism is permitted if it comes from Trump officials, thanks for underscoring that
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03-15-2025, 07:45 AM
yeah, I also have noticed that antisemitism is permitted if it comes from Trump officials, thanks for underscoring that
Don't be purposely obtuse.
Winehole23
03-15-2025, 12:50 PM
that was straightforward
y'all should police your own row, first
to show bona fides
ElNono
03-16-2025, 12:33 AM
10,000+ jobs down the shitter for the USPS!
He's doing awesome. I was actually concerned Dems might need to campaign, which is a surefire way to screw it up, tbh.
Gotta let POTUS do his thing, the House should be within reach...
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03-16-2025, 06:49 PM
He's doing awesome. I was actually concerned Dems might need to campaign, which is a surefire way to screw it up, tbh.
Gotta let POTUS do his thing, the House should be within reach...
...oh, yeah, and Pelosi is already getting set for 1 more set as Speaker.
March '27 would be ideal for Trump to turn around (State of the Union) and rip every paper off her lectern then chase her...and not stop till the SS aims better by a millimeter.
It'd be worth it to lose the House.
He's doing awesome. I was actually concerned Dems might need to campaign, which is a surefire way to screw it up, tbh.
Gotta let POTUS do his thing, the House should be within reach...CNN Poll: Democratic Party’s favorability drops to a record low
"Among the American public overall, the Democratic Party’s favorability rating stands at just 29% – a record low in CNN’s polling dating back to 1992 and a drop of 20 points since January 2021."
"That’s driven in part by relatively high levels of dissatisfaction within the Democratic Party. Just 63% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents report a favorable view of their own party, a dip from 72% in January and 81% at the start of President Joe Biden’s administration. The decline comes across ideological wings, with favorability ratings for the Democratic Party falling by 18 points among liberals and moderates alike since the start of 2021."
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/16/politics/cnn-poll-democrats/index.html
:rollin
He's doing awesome. I was actually concerned Dems might need to campaign, which is a surefire way to screw it up, tbh.
Gotta let POTUS do his thing, the House should be within reach...
https://x.com/OpenSourceZone/status/1901385957984940257
:rollin
Winehole23
03-17-2025, 09:52 AM
Schumer deserves the flames
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:lmfksimkywhveyxzjqnxkblk/bafkreicfflixct6j5pqigogvtnutmvviyljnwzmjhtbxddivx rrc74khha@jpeg
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