Whats wrong with Fox

[SpursGenius]

is it the hand ? looks like a jag all of a sudden

[spursistan]

More and more evidence players are looking flat out worse playing in our system.

You have a fringe all-star with occasional explosive scoring prowess (40-60 points games) suddenly turning into a run-of-the-mill guard and i am supposed to believe we don't have a coaching issue..

[Dex]

More and more evidence players are looking flat out worse playing in our system.

You have a fringe all-star with occasional explosive scoring prowess (40-60 points games) suddenly turning into a run-of-the-mill guard and i am supposed to believe we don't a coaching issue..

We do have a coaching issue, because our Hall of Fame coach had a fucking stroke and the interim coach obviously wasn't expecting to be the head coach, but you don't just fire an interim coach mid-season after your Hall of Fame coach has a fucking stroke.

Not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand.

[poopbox]

He's surrounded by trash on the perimeter. Not a spot up shooter so when Paul or Castle have the ball and he is in the game he is just sort of standing around. Seems to be mentally checked out on this season and I don't blame him.

[CGD]

It’ll look better once muh touches Paul moves on. Starting that backcourt is assenine.

[scott]

Ever made a big life change that you thought was exactly what you wanted... and then realized you made a horrible mistake that put you in a funk after?

[baseline bum]

Ever made a big life change that you thought was exactly what you wanted... and then realized you made a horrible mistake that put you in a funk after?

Yeah kind of wonder if that's how De'Aaron is feeling right now. Though having Wemby back next season and hopefully a good pick plus a decent MLE signing and a coach should hopefully cure that shit.

[KobesAchilles]

He plays for the Spurs sans Wemby

[RC_Drunkford]

He plays for the San Antonio Hornets

[ambchang]

Another data point in how the spurs system just makes everyone worse.

The entire offensive and defensive schemes are retarded, it’s like watching freaking high school ball. The entire thing is absolutely incomprehensible and amateur garbage. It’s the worst way for young players to start their careers here.

[LakerHater]

maybe its the system.
Some players come here & struggle while, others leave & play better.

[onechance87]

obviously its our coaching and system.Even before wemby injury we were forcing fox and cp3
for our starting guards.Knew our coaching staff was a joke and werent serious about winning at that moment.

[Ice009]

obviously its our coaching and system.Even before wemby injury we were forcing fox and cp3
for our starting guards.Knew our coaching staff was a joke and werent serious about winning at that moment.

It must be to do with a prearranged deal. I refuse to believe the coaching is that incompetent as even a amateur coach would know that combo wasn't likely to work to begin with. Even if you wanted to try that thinking it might work, in the very least, a competent coach would have changed it soon after seeing it's not working.

Maybe it's because Victor went out, coupled with his finger needing surgery, maybe he's a little dejected with all that after asking for a trade to get here. He might even have some doubts thinking it was a mistake (I don't blame him if he does as I'm sure his system is in a bit of shock right now seeing how it's turned out so far). If it's not anything to do with any of that and it's just the way he's getting played, well, it's making Fox look really, really bad.

[slick'81]

When will the spurs be serious about winning?!

[ismael-robert]

What did the fox say?

[Russo21]

:p:

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Ever made a big life change that you thought was exactly what you wanted... and then realized you made a horrible mistake that put you in a funk after?

Ah, so you do you admit Fox’s play has been a little worrying. Hopefully surgery and wemby help
Next season

[spursparker9]

He playing with Austin Spurs

[CGD]

It’s not like he came from a juggernaut. Think this was always about next season, but that accelerated once Vic went down. Now if he plays like this next season I’d be concerned.

[RC_Drunkford]

When will the spurs be serious about winning?!

when Popovich is completely out of the picture

[Poolboy5623]

Doesn't help starting next to midget CP3. Just get this season over already.

[cd98]

They pulled him aside and told him we need to tank for Flagg.

[ambchang]

The team should be renamed San Antonio Next Season.

[R. DeMurre]

Starting a 6' + 6'3" back court is essentially tanking without having to admit it. Add Wemby sitting, and the entire situation has to be a bit depressing for Fox. Fox has been about a net neutral defensive player his entire career, but now he has to guard SGs who are taller and heavier than him, rather than PGs over whom he sometimes has a physical advantage, so it's kinda like "welcome to the team, we're going to put you in a suboptimal scenario right away, ok?"

[Spurs Homer]

Nothing...

He is an intelligent man and knows the plan when wemby returns...he made sure his career would be defined when he and wemby take over along with a new coach next year...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

1 thumb
2 shitty shitty team
3 winning bad right now

[TimDunkem]

^Probably 50/50 thumb and shitty team.

#3? 0%. We're just that bad.

[rogcl1]

It's not his thumb. It's his pinky finger which is taped together to his ring finger while playing.He will be fine after he gets the surgery and becomes the full time lead guard from the start next year which he will be.

[spurs10]

Fox should be the starting PG and we will see his true self next season, as many have said. He'll likely be out after 3/17.

[exstatic]

In Sacto, the team was built for him over a period of 7 seasons. He goes to a team built for Wemby, then Wemby goes out. The team isn’t particularly suited for his game right now, and he’s struggling. Don’t overthink this.

[exstatic]

Fox should be the starting PG and we will see his true self next season, as many have said. He'll likely be out after 3/17.

Yeah,he needs to get his finger fixed, then go through training camp with the team.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Poor offensive system + poor defensive system + octogenarian oganizational dictator + scrub interim coach + no Wemby + no one who can consistently shoot from outside + running alongside midget Chris Paul.

[Guru of Nothing]

32-9-11

[scott]

32-9-11

So you’re saying it’s an inside job?

[onechance87]

big game from him...Now sit him and get him his surgery...Lets tank...Cant let dallas get below us.

[FutureMan]

“What’s wrong with Fox”… Nothing. I guess some people were expecting too much? He’s what would be the 4th best player on a championship roster. Looks good to me. Just have to find/develop options 2 & 3.

[Seventyniner]

Trying to show the fans it was a good trade by giving him all the minutes and shots. A couple more chances for the fans to see him cook before shutting it down imo.

[Knoxxx]

It’s clear Fox is a huge talent upgrade and will be the man for us at PG when it’s time to win games again. He’s a dynamic player who has never been a high percentage 3 PT shooter. The hope is after the finger surgery he resumes his capability of shooting 35% or better from 3 and that will be effective for us to win games at the rate of legitimate contending team as Wemby returns and we add more talent.

[spurraider21]

time to retire on top

[timtonymanu]

Should be an easy fix when Paul retires or comes off the bench. If he still insists on coming back and starting, tell him thank you and bye. We didn’t trade for Fox just to play him out of position. The backcourt should be Fox and Castle to start next year.

[FutureMan]

Should be an easy fix when Paul retires or comes off the bench. If he still insists on coming back and starting, tell him thank you and bye. We didn’t trade for Fox just to play him out of position. The backcourt should be Fox and Castle to start next year.

It could be. But only if Castle learns to shoot and hit free throws.

[ambchang]

Who isn’t out of position?
Paul and Vassell at the starting lineup
Keldon as the lead scored off the bench (maybe that’s the role he should play)
Castle on the bench
Barnes and sochan as backup centre
Fox at sg
Even wemby launching 3s was suspect. He’s just so good at everything that it looks ok. He could be so much more impactful with a better mix.

[Sugus]

Who isn’t out of position?
Paul and Vassell at the starting lineup
Keldon as the lead scored off the bench (maybe that’s the role he should play)
Castle on the bench
Barnes and sochan as backup centre
Fox at sg
Even wemby launching 3s was suspect. He’s just so good at everything that it looks ok. He could be so much more impactful with a better mix.

One of the silver linings that I've learned to appreciate from Wemby's condition is the extended time he'll have to look at his film and refine his game in an analytical way, being prevented from suiting up.

He's got plenty of tape to review and reshape his game in the coming months. I'm excited for him to come back and see what he looks like.

[scott]

One of the silver linings that I've learned to appreciate from Wemby's condition is the extended time he'll have to look at his film and refine his game in an analytical way, being prevented from suiting up.

He's got plenty of tape to review and reshape his game in the coming months. I'm excited for him to come back and see what he looks like.

I'm expecting him to come back with DRob's body, Shaq's post game and Curry's shot

[only 90% joking]

[Sugus]

I'm expecting him to come back with DRob's body, Shaq's post game and Curry's shot

[only 90% joking]

What, no Jordan's leaping ability?? What a scrub smh..... :lol

[Mr. Body]

He was never as good as people here insisted in the first place. He wasn't even close to being in the All-Star conversation and the Kings are clearly Sabonis' team. He's good, but this is what he is.

[jeebus]

He's getting surgery so lets get this thread to 1000 posts before he comes back, about how awful a player he is.

[spurraider21]

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[Robz4000]

1900314868923654443

Does he play the next two games or is he done?

[spurraider21]

time to retire on top

[itzsoweezee]

He was never as good as people here insisted in the first place. He wasn't even close to being in the All-Star conversation and the Kings are clearly Sabonis' team. He's good, but this is what he is.

I’ll take it. He’s more than fine as a second or third man.

[LeBowen]

He was never as good as people here insisted in the first place. He wasn't even close to being in the All-Star conversation and the Kings are clearly Sabonis' team. He's good, but this is what he is.

Stop embarrassing yourself already you fucking retard.
Whenever someone writes objective arguments and numbers about Fox, you just disappear only to start spewing your shit a few days later like nothing happened.

In their only playoff series together:
Fox: 27.4/5.4/7.7 with 2.1 steals and 0.6 blocks.
Sabonis: 16.4/11/4.7 with 1.4 steal and 0.9 blocks.

Before you mention Draymond's stomp, Fox had 38 points in G1, Sabonis had 12.
In G2 they both had 24.

[Dex]

People complaining about getting a young, All-Star level talent for pennies on the dollar...after 1 sub-par month with a busted hand....goes to show SpursTalk will never change. Bitching just to bitch.

[LeBowen]

People complaining about getting a young, All-Star level talent for garbage...after 1 sub-par month with a busted hand....goes to show SpursTalk will never change. Bitching to just to bitch.

Nah, it's just about Mr. Body being his usual, retarded self and refusing to accept he was wrong.

[Ice009]

He was never as good as people here insisted in the first place. He wasn't even close to being in the All-Star conversation and the Kings are clearly Sabonis' team. He's good, but this is what he is.

I know it was against a depleted Mavs team, but he showed some real dynamic play last game. I think he's a lot better than you're giving him credit for. And I disagree about it being Sabonis' team. They only time they made the playoffs, it was clearly Fox's team at that point, and Fox performed in that playoff series.

[KobesAchilles]

Spurs are one player away from being elite next year. I’m talking first round homecourt advantage. Getting Fox is the reason why we are only one player away. Our backcourt is set for years to come in Fox and Castle. We need either a SF or a PFand not necessarily both. We can get away starting either Sochan or Barnes but we can’t start both. Idk if it’s Flagg or Bailey by some miracle or if it’s free agency but either way we need to upgrade our front court. I would prefer a vet with playoff experience. I mean the dream would be to trade for Naz Reid AND get either Bailey or Flagg.

Our bench is set though in Sochan KJ Vassell CP3 and a back up big on the cheap this time. We are one competent draft and FA away from making real noise next year. And I’m very excited for it

[timtonymanu]

Nah, it's just about Mr. Body being his usual, retarded self and refusing to accept he was wrong.

Funny when we all said Branham sucks, he kept making excuses for him.

[exstatic]

Wish they had shut him down one game earlier, before we dropped 2 spots. Maybe be they thought that Dallas lightning would strike twice.

[pad300]

Spurs are one player away from being elite next year. I’m talking first round homecourt advantage. Getting Fox is the reason why we are only one player away. Our backcourt is set for years to come in Fox and Castle. We need either a SF or a PFand not necessarily both. We can get away starting either Sochan or Barnes but we can’t start both. Idk if it’s Flagg or Bailey by some miracle or if it’s free agency but either way we need to upgrade our front court. I would prefer a vet with playoff experience. I mean the dream would be to trade for Naz Reid AND get either Bailey or Flagg.

Our bench is set though in Sochan KJ Vassell CP3 and a back up big on the cheap this time. We are one competent draft and FA away from making real noise next year. And I’m very excited for it

How many coaching changes are you assuming here?

[KobesAchilles]

How many coaching changes are you assuming here?
If I ran the Spurs (not that they’d ever ask :lol ) I would clean house. I talked about it earlier but we are paying Pop 17 million a year. We could use that money to buy the best available staff. We could offer the Memphis or Wolves assistant the gig and pay him $9 million a year. And then hire 2 top tier assistant coaches for 2 million a year each and then use the other 4 million to pay top of the line shooting coaches and player development coaches. I would be poaching from every top tier team I could. Like the Celtics and the Cavs and the Thunder.

That way the budget for coaching is the exact same (cheaper actually) but we allocate it better and get new and proven coaches instead of whatever we have left in the cupboard

[rjv]

i'm still waiting for someone to start an "official apology to fox" thread.

[LeBowen]

We could offer the Memphis or Wolves assistant the gig and pay him $9 million a year. And then hire 2 top tier assistant coaches for 2 million a year each and then use the other 4 million to pay top of the line shooting coaches and player development coaches. I would be poaching from every top tier team I could. Like the Celtics and the Cavs and the Thunder.

Most coaches would kill for an opportunity to coach Wemby as long as there's no Pop's shadow looming over them.
You can get someone with no previous head coach experience for way less than $9M.

https://i.imgur.com/gMM5HoH.png

[scott]

Imagine paying Doc fucking Rivers $10MM/yr

[exstatic]

Imagine paying Doc fucking Rivers $10MM/yr

Imagine even hiring Doc Rivers, the man who coasted off of two trades leading to a title for 17 years now, and holds the coaching record for most blown 3-1 series leads. If there were a minimum coaching salary, I wouldn’t pay him even that.

[KobesAchilles]

Most coaches would kill for an opportunity to coach Wemby as long as there's no Pop's shadow looming over them.
You can get someone with no previous head coach experience for way less than $9M.

https://i.imgur.com/gMM5HoH.png

Well we could pay them 7 or 8 million as well. I just assumed that coaches got paid more tbh. But either way, our coaching salary stays the same and we have way better assistants and player development. Something young teams desperately need

[RC_Drunkford]

We are one competent head coach, draft and FA away from making real noise next year. And I’m very excited for it

FIFY

[tbdog]

Nick Nurse would be nice. Could be let go. May even asked out of that shit show if he got a nod from the spurs.

[KobesAchilles]

FIFY
I agree totally. Do you have any candidates you think the Spurs should go after?

[RC_Drunkford]

I agree totally. Do you have any candidates you think the Spurs should go after?

tough call as the market is slim. I don't want anybody associated with the old man. Maybe Vogel, but it's not like he'd be my #1 option. I'm with you on prying other teams assistant coaches away. Teams have been doing that with our staff for years now, it's time to turn the table.