Shams: Grizzlies Have Fired HC Taylor Jenkins

[BatManu20]

Grizz have canned the former Spurs Assistant. Should be the Spurs' new HC tbh. Comes from Pop's coaching tree and immediately becomes the best available HC on the market imo. No-brainer tbh.

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[Bill_Brasky]

I'm baffled on this one, why do it now? Or at all?

[SPURt]

Wasn’t he running an offense that was confounding teams? Weird timing

[Robz4000]

Crazy tbh. Good news for the Spurs though.

[stnick2261]

He's worked under Pop, under Bud, and along with Snyder. Bring him back to San Antonio and steal some of his coaching staff.

[BatManu20]

I'm baffled on this one, why do it now? Or at all?

Bizarre for sure. Grizzlies are currently the 4th Seed in the West and we're 3 weeks away from the Playoffs... doesn't make sense. There's has to be more to this story. I remember reading a rumor that Ja Morant wasn't a huge fan of his, but Idk. Pretty wild.

[Mugen]

Assuming it's not worse than any of the Udoka stuff (which nobody really even cares about anymore :lol), the Spurs should absolutely bring him in tbh.

[ginobilized]

The back story should be interesting. Bizarre timing.

[jeebus]

Players weren't motivated, lots of infighting, team flaming out before the playoffs, Ja robbing them of a paycheck every week....not surprising tbh.

[BatManu20]

Yea Jenkins is a no-brainer for us so long as he didn't Primo someone or something along those lines. He's a well-respected and talented Head Coach who prides himself on his teams playing good, hard-nosed defense, exactly wha the Spurs need tbh. He's also only 40 years old, so he can be here for the long haul if things go well. This is a layup for the Spurs so long as Pop doesn't fuck it up by coming back next year.

[spurraider21]

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[The Truth #6]

Occasionally, people miss layups.

[Leetonidas]

Did Jenkins cuck the owner or what? I know they've been struggling lately but given their situation they've been pretty damn good all things considered. Crazy to fire your head coach right before the playoffs unless there's some untenable situation

[Ice009]

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Yeah, that's not good at all. Have the Spurs won more games against winning teams in that stretch, or no?

[Mugen]

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Sounds like the perfect Spur tbh

[KobesAchilles]

Man our division is like begging us to take over it for the next decade. Mavs traded away the 2nd best player in the nba. The Pels putting all their eggs into DJ and having a franchise player with UE syndrome to boot, and now the Grizzlies choosing often injured, gun blazing no responsibility taking Ja over the coach. And my prediction take guys, Bane will be available sometime between this summer and next trading deadline. Just the guy we need.

[spurraider21]

depending on which side of the Aldama/Bane feud he was on, could be our in to land Santi :lol

[spursistan]

I know the Grizz have been drifting since February, but surely something crazy behind the scenes that triggered this? If not a Udoka situation, maybe an altercation with player or GM cause this is pretty much unprecedented..5 seed with 10 games left in the season? can't remember anything like this..

[Robz4000]

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:lol I remember back in 2014 we were bitching about that with the Spurs after a rough stretch and they went on to win the title

[scott]

Will be interesting to see if a press release from the Memphis Sheriff’s Department announcing his arrest is next :lol

[Ice009]

I don't remember a stretch that rough in the 2014 season. Are you sure?

[exstatic]

Bizarre for sure. Grizzlies are currently the 4th Seed in the West and we're 3 weeks away from the Playoffs... doesn't make sense. There's has to be more to this story. I remember reading a rumor that Ja Morant wasn't a huge fan of his, but Idk. Pretty wild.

I remember reading that there is no difference in Grizz performance whether Ja is on the court or not, and decided that he was probably going to be the next player to be Luka’d, traded in lieu of offering a SuperMax.

[Leetonidas]

I don't remember a stretch that rough in the 2014 season. Are you sure?

They had a 3 game losing streak in January and then ended the season 3-4 in the final 7 games... though they had won 19 in a row before that :lol

[Robz4000]

I don't remember a stretch that rough in the 2014 season. Are you sure?

Not that rough, but they were 0-8 against their biggest competition at the time (Thunder and Rockets).

[exstatic]

This has a very Kenny Atkins vibe. Done in by players, but with good things to come somewhere else.

[spurraider21]

:lol I remember back in 2014 we were bitching about that with the Spurs after a rough stretch and they went on to win the title
bend over, i'll show you a rough stretch

[spursistan]

Also this is a confirmation Shams isn't all that plugged in into teams' front offices or the upper echelons of league office. He is a player-agent guy. Woj would have probably got the lowdown on this situation the moment it broke .

[baseline bum]

There goes to damn Iisalo dream :pctoss

[spurraider21]

Also this is a confirmation Shams isn't all that plugged in into teams' front offices or the upper echelons of league office. He is a player-agent guy. Woj would have probably got the lowdown on this situation the moment it broke .
thats been the longstanding theory. Woj had the ins with front offices, Shams with the players

[exstatic]

There goes to damn Iisalo dream :pctoss

Not if they go interim.

[Mr. Body]

Lol he's easily one of the best coaches in the league. Big brain Trump level move

[LeBowen]

There goes to damn Iisalo dream :pctoss

Was my first thought.
Jenkins is a no-brainer choice, Wright needs to be on the phone as we speak unless he's a pedophile and that got him fired.

Grizzlies need to get rid of Ja and his awful mentality. Who knows what happens with JJJ's extension this summer.
As for Aldama/Bane feud, they're apparently the biggest trash talkers on the team and it was to be expected.

[exstatic]

I’m wondering if Ja even likes the new offense. The ball is in his hands a lot less, and is shared a lot more.

[poopbox]

Unless it's some scandal, seems more of a management thinks the team should be performing better than they should be and blame it on the coach not the players, situation.

Also, just looking at Jenkins body language in grizzs games I watched, he seems like he was just done with the team himself.

[LeBowen]

Unless it's some scandal, seems more of a management thinks the team should be performing better than they should be and blame it on the coach not the players, situation.

Even if they think he's awful, you don't fire a coach less than a month before the playoffs start.
They're one of the most undesirable destinations in the league even while being good, moves like this will make everyone lose respect for the front office.

Who knows what happened behind the scenes, but Grizzlies are full of players that seem to be difficult to coach. Players' league, I guess.

[BatManu20]

There goes to damn Iisalo dream :pctoss

Yea he was just named Interim HC per Shams

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[Mr. Body]

Fans really thinking he underperformed with a talented roster. He's been getting results with bit players for six years.

[LeBowen]

Tbh, him being interim is great for us.
We can see what's he capable of in the playoffs and then make him an offer if he does well, he surely won't sign as a head coach before they get eliminated.

[BatManu20]

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[LeBowen]

Lmao betting sites just make shit up sometimes.
Why would any head coach with options want to coach Embiid and PG's corpses?

[Seventyniner]

Lmao betting sites just make shit up sometimes.
Why would any head coach with options want to coach Embiid and PG's corpses?

Money, of course. It all depends on how desperate their ownership is.

[djohn2oo8]

Fans really thinking he underperformed with a talented roster. He's been getting results with bit players for six years.
The Grizzlies are a shit ass franchise who let Ja and his rollin 60 crew do whatever the fuck they want.

[BackHome]

Well Jenkins was the Head coach of the Austin G League team so we definitely have some connections with him

[Raven]

fishy

[Mugen]

Looks like it was a move to secure Iisalo long term.

If that's the case then the Spurs should be all over Jenkins tbh.

[baseline bum]

Looks like it was a move to secure Iisalo long term.

If that's the case then the Spurs should be all over Jenkins tbh.

Still make a move for Iisalo since they only made him interim coach. I thought they were gonna give him a multiyear contract or something after firing Jenkins.

[SpurSpike]

Grizz fans on reddit may just be copping but they claim Jenkins doesn't make obvious lineup changes and puts players on crazy minutes restrictions.

[dn0774]

I’m wondering if Ja even likes the new offense. The ball is in his hands a lot less, and is shared a lot more.

Hard to build an offense around a part time superstar.

[djohn2oo8]

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Yeah okay I might understand now

[dn0774]

Grizz fans on reddit may just be copping but they claim Jenkins doesn't make obvious lineup changes and puts players on crazy minutes restrictions.

Yea i'd say all fans think their teams coaches miss obvious lineup stuff. Even in our glory days we thought the same about Pop, its par for the course.

[DesignatedT]

Definitely something behind the scenes here. I thought his teams played really hard and physical.

[scott]

I remember reading that there is no difference in Grizz performance whether Ja is on the court or not, and decided that he was probably going to be the next player to be Luka’d, traded in lieu of offering a SuperMax.

Ja is on year 2 of his 5-year rookie extension.

The Grizzlies are 28-15 with Ja this year. They are 16-14 without him. Seems like he might be fairly impactful.

[Spurs Homer]

Do not want….


find a proven winner.

[dn0774]

Looks like it was a move to secure Iisalo long term.

If that's the case then the Spurs should be all over Jenkins tbh.

It'd be pretty crazy to fire a coach just to elevate the assistant 3 weeks before the playoffs when they have the 4th best SRS in the league. Something big happened behind the scenes, has to be.

[baseline bum]

Do not want….


find a proven winner.

Jenkins is one.

[scott]

It'd be pretty crazy to fire a coach just to elevate the assistant 3 weeks before the playoffs when they have the 4th best SRS in the league. Something big happened behind the scenes, has to be.

Definitely agree with this. The only alternative is that the Grizzlies are Kangz level incompetent, which is not at all out of the realm of possibility.

I don't know whether Jenkins deserves all the credit, but I do admire how the Grizzlies have made a habit of getting the most out of the their roster. They've turned a bunch of min-contracts and two-way guys into actual NBA players. Pair that kind of development with the right GM and you've got a never-ending pipeline for talent and high value trade assets.

If Jenkins truly got fired simply because he couldn't control what appears to be an almost uncontrollable set of personalities, then he's about to have his choice of teams at one of the highest paid coaching salaries in the league. But if there are some shenanigans, the kind that cause a team to fire you right before the playoffs, then they must be Primo-level.

I'm definitely interested in Jenkins here. Just enough connection to the Spurs for the team to be able to sell continuity, but not enough of a connection to where Pop probably had very much influence on him. And he'll likely not be willing to come in and be Pop's puppet.

[scott]

Also... what a crazy NBA season. Just need Stephen A to take that swing at Lebron to cap it off.

[ginobilized]

Top theories

1. The Stephen Jackson Effect: Jenkins got fired for not admitting that Pop was a better coach than him.
2. Memphis FO thinks his leadership is lacking due to not controlling his squad as players are fighting, etc. and/or sensing that Jenkins gave up on this team somehow. Since the offense they are running came from an assistant coach, maybe they are assuming they don't need him?
3. Door #3 of shadows and intrigue. Time will tell.

[GAustex]

Never was there a more obvious move to make
Given spurs clusterfuck they will find a way to mess it up

[timtonymanu]

Watch the sniffers on Reddit:

“We don’t need Jenkins. Come back, Pop!”

[dn0774]

Top theories

1. The Stephen Jackson Effect: Jenkins got fired for not admitting that Pop was a better coach than him.
2. Memphis FO thinks his leadership is lacking due to not controlling his squad as players are fighting, etc. and/or sensing that Jenkins gave up on this team somehow. Since the offense they are running came from an assistant coach, maybe they are assuming they don't need him?
3. Door #3 of shadows and intrigue. Time will tell.

Which is interesting because while many would assume that fact is a knock on Jenkins, I actually consider it a complement. Having the confidence to acknowledge that his subordinate has a good scheme and implementing it as opposed to just saying "its my way or the highway", its a good quality to have as a head coach. Ty Lue (who I also respect greatly as a coach) did something similar this season by turning over the defensive game planning to Jeff Van Gundy which has led to a far more successful Clippers team than expected.

The Spurs could do a lot worse (and currently are) than Taylor Jenkins, I hope he has interest in the job and I hope the Spurs give him serious consideration. I think his teams have overachieved every single year he has been a head coach when you take into account his roster and player availability.

[LeBowen]

Reading through some comments, Grizzlies fans felt like Jenkins is just a developmental coach who kept playing everyone even when the rotation needed to be shortened and stars had to play more.
Fits the Spurs philosophy, ~32mpg seems to be the limit, I'd be interested to see what he could do with some of our scrubs and players trying to put it together.

But first we need to deal with Pop situation. All the coaching talk is pointless until he announces he's done.
I'm secretly hoping he'll just show up at the Raptors game to have a farewell and retire.

While Iisalo is an offensive mastermind, we need to figure out our defense first. With everyone healthy and one more good wing defender, we can easily be a top5 defense as soon as the next season.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/espn_macmahon/status/1905716320517361879

[LeBowen]

St. Andrews was Bud's assistant in Atlanta and Milwaukee up until 2023 when he joined Memphis.

[scott]

https://x.com/espn_macmahon/status/1905716320517361879

Well that is certainly another twist! Also makes me want to speculate less that this was related to some off-the-court matter, unless Jenkins, LaRoche and St. Andrews were operating a gun running ring with Ja or gang banging the owners daughter or some shit.

This has got to be the craziest coaching move in league history. Maybe Iisalo did a Doc Rivers and ran a behind the scenes power grab?

[Bill_Brasky]

Watch the sniffers on Reddit:

“We don’t need Jenkins. Come back, Pop!”

"We have to give Mitch a chance" :cry :cry

[John B]

I like Jenkins, but Mitch has been a good soldier. Idk how this will unfold in Spurs fashion

[AusSpur]

I reckon the Spurs could be pretty good team next season with a real NBA coach like Jenkins.

[mo7888]

I've been hoping Quinn would get let go and we could pick him up, but this...this is a gift we should accept.... A proven HC and assistants...sign me up..

[heyheymymy]

unbelievable and I wonder what he did because I don't think I would have fired him right before the playoffs for ordinary creative differences

[scott]

I've been hoping Quinn would get let go and we could pick him up, but this...this is a gift we should accept.... A proven HC and assistants...sign me up..

:pop:

[spurraider21]

I like Jenkins, but Mitch has been a good soldier. Idk how this will unfold in Spurs fashion
what could he have done that wouldnt have drawn a "good soldier" compliment?

thrown chairs, etc?

[SpursBills]

I find it interesting that Taylor Jenkins is only 2 years older than Mitch Johnson and yet the difference in experience and quality between them is so huge. If the Spurs don't make a legitimate play to hire him due to consideration of Mitch Johnson it would be an epic fumble.

[poopbox]

Even if they think he's awful, you don't fire a coach less than a month before the playoffs start.
They're one of the most undesirable destinations in the league even while being good, moves like this will make everyone lose respect for the front office.

Who knows what happened behind the scenes, but Grizzlies are full of players that seem to be difficult to coach. Players' league, I guess.

I disagree. I don't think there is a wrong time to fire a coach. I also think the number 1 candidate the grizzlies want to replace Jenkins is Iisalo, which is very specifically why they fired Jenkins now, because they want to let Iisalo run the show, to see how he does, and find out if he is or isn't the coach of them for the future, rather than wait to see next season or not see at all, since his name is hot in coaching circles and he could get offers somewhere else in the summer and just leave.

I do agree it is a players league, as it should be, and they probably are difficult to coach, because an nba player is in the top 1% in the world at what they do, and trying to manage people who are that good at what they do is extremely challenging, because they are well aware of the fact that they don't at all need you to be successful, but you absolutely need them. Gregg with 2 g's found this out the hard way with Kawhi and Lamarcus, one who demanded a trade and got it, one who demanded a trade and didn't, but literally ended up just walking away from the team and never coming back.

[Mugen]

Still make a move for Iisalo since they only made him interim coach. I thought they were gonna give him a multiyear contract or something after firing Jenkins.

Probably an under the table agreement with him that they'll remove the interim designation in the summer. Jenkins' assistants just got axed as well.

[Mugen]

I like Jenkins, but Mitch has been a good soldier. Idk how this will unfold in Spurs fashion

Not sure if serious?

Who gives a fuck if he's been a good soldier. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Definitely absurd to fire a coach with less than ten games to go, lmao. How do you install and execute anything at this point? Even if you're elevating an assistant, there are things you just don't do.

[spurraider21]

i remember when back i first joined this forum in 2012, there already were people calling for pop's head. there was that long-standing "any popsuckers going to do damage control" thread. and aside from just being a generally unhinged thought, its not like there were any obvious candidates. people kept yelling "carlisle is a better coach" as if he was going to be made available at that time, but there never were realisitc alternatives to pop (not that pop was even bad then, he just liked his pets a little too much)

but now, pop's decline as a coach has been obvious for a few years now. his health issues provide a graceful off-ramp instead of just being "fired for performance." and for once, there actually are reasonable candidates around. Jenkins is obviously one (good coach, spurs ties). I still like Vogel quite a bit (success at multiple stops, won a title, has dealt with superstars). And potentially Bud if phoenix fires him after 1 season.

[objective]

And Memphis just fired all but 2 of his assistants last summer already, Iisalo and LaRoche and more were in their first year ... Something is weird with that organization

But this does look like them desperate to keep Iisalo, who could probably leave for a euro top job any time he felt like it

Spurs too far up Pop's bedridden ass to even ask permission to interview Iisalo before now. Sad.

[Seventyniner]

Something really doesn't add up. The Grizz might have a hard time getting coaches in the future if they are afraid of just being fired with no warning less than a month before the playoffs start.

[GAustex]

I've been hoping Quinn would get let go and we could pick him up, but this...this is a gift we should accept.... A proven HC and assistants...sign me up..

Agree Quinn has been for a long time I thought best choce

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/TheNBACentel/status/1905676837994332258

[spurraider21]

Centel

[LeBowen]

Centel

You couldn't have waited to see if someone takes the bait. :downspin:

[exstatic]

Also... what a crazy NBA season. Just need Stephen A to take that swing at Lebron to cap it off.

Please, God, let this happen.

[slick'81]

Dude must of really fcked up

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/funakistats/status/1896637243718263032

Interesting rant.
Even rants about Fox torching Edey. :lol

[poopbox]

Not sure if serious?

Who gives a fuck if he's been a good soldier. :lol

I mean for us on this forum no many but within the spurs organization it will mean something.

We are talking about a team who might allow someone over 70 who had a stroke to return to coaching for no other reason than "he earned that right" :lol

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DamichaelC/status/1905757093094989925

https://x.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/1905759074660364643

[poopbox]

Something really doesn't add up. The Grizz might have a hard time getting coaches in the future if they are afraid of just being fired with no warning less than a month before the playoffs start.

They most definitely won't have a hard time getting coaches. There are only 30 of those jobs in the entire world. If it is offered no one is turning that down because they fired Jenkins, or anybody else.

Hell if history shows us anything is that the Grizzlies already know who their next head coach is. It's Doc Rivers, who has gotten all but one of his coaching jobs off the back of another coach being fired, including literally the job he has right now :lol

[objective]

https://x.com/funakistats/status/1896637243718263032

Interesting rant.
Even rants about Fox torching Edey. :lol

Ranting about guarding Durant with the much smaller Bane? Uh-oh, after his brilliant Mills-on-Durant strategy nostalgia, Pop might be ready to have over the reigns.

I can see him in his Breaking Bad wheelchair, pounding the bell, "me gusta!"

[Spurs Homer]

Jenkins is one.

when was his last title?

[spurraider21]

https://x.com/DamichaelC/status/1905757093094989925
:lol firing him over Zach Edey

Edey has been about as expected. effective scorer when on the court. cant stay on the court as much as they'd like because he's just too slow. and you arent paying Ja/Bane/JJJ et al to run your offense through Edey

[mystargtr34]

Surprising. He has to be the front runner for the Spurs. There have been quite a few complaints about his rotations and in game management from Griz fans but I think that happens with every coach.

Spurs need someone like Taylor with fire and youth who won’t tolerate lazy defense which is about 3 quarters of the Spurs rotation.

Anyone know how many years he had left on his contact?

[scott]

Please, God, let this happen.

Did you see where Stephen A said he would? I know some people do not like LeBron, but he might win over some of those people by pummeling Stephen A into the ground :lol

[CGD]

#BringHimHome

[Mugen]

Did you see where Stephen A said he would? I know some people do not like LeBron, but he might win over some of those people by pummeling Stephen A into the ground :lol

I'd immediately declare him the GOAT over MJ if that happened tbh. I'd buy a Bronny jersey as tribute :lol

[CGD]

I've been hoping Quinn would get let go and we could pick him up, but this...this is a gift we should accept.... A proven HC and assistants...sign me up..

My too, but I think we’re outa luck there.

[exstatic]

Did you see where Stephen A said he would? I know some people do not like LeBron, but he might win over some of those people by pummeling Stephen A into the ground :lol

There was a YT short related to it, and someone posted the Jay Z lyric “Loud as a motorbike,but wouldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight”. Kinda sums up SAS pretty well.

[MannyIsGod]

https://x.com/funakistats/status/1896637243718263032

Interesting rant.
Even rants about Fox torching Edey. :lol

Chris Vernon is one of the worst basketball analysts out there. He's awful. Taylor Jenkins record speaks for itself. If Ja doens't do stupid shit they don't implode. Its been downhill since then.

[Ice009]

Yeah, I guess the Ja stuff may have screwed things up for him. None of that was his fault.

I can't really remember, how many years was Ja in the playoffs and healthy for a whole playoff run/series during Taylor Jenkins' tenure there?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1905774914596208969

[dn0774]

:lol firing him over Zach Edey

Edey has been about as expected. effective scorer when on the court. cant stay on the court as much as they'd like because he's just too slow. and you arent paying Ja/Bane/JJJ et al to run your offense through Edey

Its referring to the GM Zach Kleiman, not Zach Edey.

[spurraider21]

Its referring to the GM Zach Kleiman, not Zach Edey.
nah if you read the article they spend a lot of time focusing on Edey as well

[dn0774]

nah if you read the article they spend a lot of time focusing on Edey as well

I read the article, yes Edey is mentioned as an example of an issue coach and gm disagreed on among others. Just saying that those 2 clearly had friction going back way before Edey was in the picture as coaches and gm's often do. The narrative that is forming at least makes it sound like it was a difference of opinions/philosophies that caused the firing and not some egregious act that would make Jenkins un-hireable.

Hopefully the Spurs conduct their due diligence and are in play for him as their next head coach. I worry they will let Pop continue to drag out his situation when the writing on the wall is clear that a 76 year old stroke victim has no business enduring the stress/travel & media requirements of an NBA head coach. Clearly Pop must be physically compromised to an obvious degree or they would have had him make some kind of appearance publicly.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/sam_amick/status/1905786185575960894

[SpursBills]

Makes a lot of sense that Grizz GM Kleiman wants Iisalo instead of Jenkins because Iisalo's system probably plays to Kleiman's drafting strengths. Grizz aren't an attractive free agency destination and their players are too good to tank to get a star. But their scouting department is best in the league at finding rotation players late in the draft. So if your stars are only second tier, but your front office can find a ton of really good rotation players, how best to leverage that to beat teams with better stars? By running them into the ground with Iisalo's system. Pure speculation, but I wonder if Jenkins was too "old school" and wasn't fully bought into the way they wanted to play, or more likely as has been mentioned Iisalo was a threat to getting poached from somewhere else. Kleiman just identified the horse he wanted to ride, Jenkins was the odd man out.

If that's true, then just go ahead and hire Jenkins now and give him the upgraded version of past Grizzlies teams:

Quick point guard who can't be stopped getting into the paint (Fox - Ja)
3 point shooting versatile big who's your defensive anchor (Wemby - JJJ)
Physical shooting guard with short arms (Kon Knueppel - Desmond Bane)
Undersized big who can't shoot and puts up ridiculous college numbers (CMB - Brandon Clarke)
I mean, shit, just sign Santi Aldama and I doubt Jenkins can even tell the difference

That Grizzlies team finished second in the west 2022-23, add young Jimmy Butler (Castle) to that team and you're really cooking

[baseline bum]

https://x.com/sam_amick/status/1905786185575960894

I'm sold, this just sounds like the Grizzlies wanting to run a different offense because they don't have the personnel to play a traditional offense with lots of screening. So go out and get Jenkins because the Spurs do with Victor and De'Aaron.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if the grizz FO is that good at finding late round talent or it's Jenkins who was good at making marginal talent look great. My feeling is the second.

[Seventyniner]

Fox fell into the Spurs laps, and now it looks like Jenkins might too.

Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs better be on the phone right now. And let him bring those 2 assistants with him.

[benefactor]

If the Spurs don't at least try to jump on this situation I'm going to kick a toddler. The stars can't line up any better

[benefactor]

Pop needs to pull an Aldridge and go out and have dinner with him and talk to him about legacies and how much he could accomplish ushering in the new era

[FvckMavs]

https://x.com/TheNBACentel/status/1905676837994332258

Perfect match with Ja, tbh.

[mystargtr34]

Perfect match with Ja, tbh.

Maybe they could bring in Javaris Crittenton as lead assistant.

[Uriel]

Would he be better than Bud?

[dn0774]

Would he be better than Bud?

His resume is a bit cleaner and has less baggage at this juncture, being quite a bit younger helps with that. I prefer Jenkins over the Bud and Vogel possibilities. I think Jenkins in his short-ish head coaching tenure has shown he can do more with less. Look at his teams records each season and then look at the roster/games played and he seems to overachieve. He hasn't had playoff success, but I also wouldn't really expect it given the rosters he had (admittedly I am not a big Ja fan).

[spurraider21]

Fox fell into the Spurs laps, and now it looks like Jenkins might too.

Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.
A stroke of luck

[Dverde]

I think he’ll get the Pelicans job. I sadly think these last couple of games has cemented Glitch as our next coach.

[Gandalf]

I think he’ll get the Pelicans job. I sadly think these last couple of games has cemented Glitch as our next coach.

So a proven developer of talent with six years’ worth of head coaching experience will be passed over so the Spurs can risk Wemby’s next few years and ultimately the billion-dollar franchise on a coach with no head coaching experience to speak of - except this embarrassment of a season, where we’re near dead last in the NBA in fundamentals like rebounding.

If that happens (or Pop tries to ‘come back,’ which will inevitably lead to the same ‘head coach Mitch’ result) the Spurs deserve to lose this team to Vegas.

[Gibbz]

I think he’ll get the Pelicans job. I sadly think these last couple of games has cemented Glitch as our next coach.

There is no way Mitch is the next HC.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If Wemby really likes Mitch then he'll be given a chance.

A head coach's tenure depends mostly on their relationship with the team's superstar.

[dn0774]

If Wemby really likes Mitch then he'll be given a chance.

A head coach's tenure depends mostly on their relationship with the team's superstar.

Yea, this is a concerning factor. Everything we've learned of Vic these past couple years has indicated that when push comes to shove, he wants to win more than anything. Vic is closer than any of us in terms of seeing Mitch Johnson on the job. That being said, he is still a 21 year old kid and having him dictate the coaching roster seems a bit much.

Also worth mentioning that if Jenkins were to get the job that doesn't mean Mitch wouldn't or couldn't stay on as an assistant. I'm more worried about Pop waffling about on what he wants to do until September and then announcing he is retiring and Mitch gets the job by default because all the coaches worth a damn have been snatched up. Or even worse, Pop decides to give it a go. I would be terrified watching every game just hoping we don't see Pop collapse on the sideline.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yea, this is a concerning factor. Everything we've learned of Vic these past couple years has indicated that when push comes to shove, he wants to win more than anything. Vic is closer than any of us in terms of seeing Mitch Johnson on the job. That being said, he is still a 21 year old kid and having him dictate the coaching roster seems a bit much.

Also worth mentioning that if Jenkins were to get the job that doesn't mean Mitch wouldn't or couldn't stay on as an assistant. I'm more worried about Pop waffling about on what he wants to do until September and then announcing he is retiring and Mitch gets the job by default because all the coaches worth a damn have been snatched up. Or even worse, Pop decides to give it a go. I would be terrified watching every game just hoping we don't see Pop collapse on the sideline.

Well while it's true that in theory players, even superstars, shouldn't be dictating front office decisions we've seen it so many times that historically this has been the norm and Pop's/RC's/Timmy's Spurs have been the outlier, with perhaps Steph's Warriors being the closest. We have witnessed a million other cases of the opposite, with very few proving to yield positive results.

We have no reason to believe Wemby would be more like Duncan/Steph in this regard, and not like LeBron/Durant, especially after this weird comment he gave earlier about having to look at the roster building. Ultimately he'd have to find the right balance between his ambition, his patience, his trust in the organization and mostly his own self awareness. He has shown to be very mature and intelligent, so hopefully he and his team will make the right decision. There's also the fact that a bit of positive pressure on the FO can be a good thing in certain situations.

[Gandalf]

If Wemby really likes Mitch then he'll be given a chance.


So this entire wasted season where Mitch sucked even with DPOY Wemby didn’t count as ‘a chance?’ I hope Wemby’s not that stupid.

[LeBowen]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6239543/2025/03/28/why-did-taylor-jenkins-get-fired-grizzlies/



But when it came to Taylor Jenkins and his future in “Grind City,” the writing was on the wall last summer. And it was written in tears.
In early July, three months after a disastrous, injury-riddled 27-55 season had come to an end, the Grizzlies front office, led by executive vice president of basketball operations Zach Kleiman, made the unilateral choice to swap out five members of Jenkins’ coaching staff.
While Jenkins consulted with the front-office on the hires for six replacements to his staff, those final interactions between Jenkins and the assistants he was forced to fire, league sources say, would set an uneasy tone for the season to come. As some close to the Grizzlies saw the situation, it was only a matter of time before Jenkins would be gone, too.
Former assistant Tuomas Iisalo, whom the Grizzlies hired before this season, will take over as interim head coach, the team announced. He and fellow newcomer assistant Nate LaRoche were driving forces behind Memphis implementing a renovated, motion offense this season, which lifted the Grizzlies to sixth in points per possession, an adjustment the front office encouraged. On Friday, Memphis also fired LaRoche, as well as Patrick St. Andrews, another assistant hired before the season, a league source confirmed. In the end, it’s clear Jenkins’ diminished organizational support coupled with the Grizzlies’ decline over the past two months did him in.
In large part because of its first-year assistants, Memphis has revamped an offense that formerly struggled in the halfcourt. Once reliant on pick-and-rolls, it now leans on clever cutting and off-ball movement. The Grizzlies set fewer screens than any other NBA team. This philosophical shift was a point of contention as this season progressed.
League sources say Morant, in particular, was upset that last summer the team let go of one assistant with whom he was particularly close, Ahearn, who worked with the two-time All-Star more than anyone on staff. This season, Morant worked most commonly with LaRoche, a former trainer with individual players who was in his first season as an NBA assistant and, like Iisalo, played a pivotal part in implementing the new offensive system.
Morant played his entire career for Jenkins and remained supportive of the coach up to the end, a league source said. Morant did not, however, like the new offense. He has played in just 43 games this season, missing this most recent stretch because of a hamstring injury while also dealing with right shoulder soreness. But when he’s been on the court, according to a league source, Morant has complained about the new scheme, which takes the ball out of his hands and removes the screens he likes to use as a ball handler to make plays.
One league source who has seen Morant work out with the Grizzlies recently said, “Some days he looks like he’s ready to play, and some days he looks like he doesn’t want to be there … because he hates the offense.”
Jenkins had begun to reinstall some of the plays Morant likes, a league source said, reimplementing the pick-and-roll and other plays involving screens Morant could use to break free. If doing so angered Kleiman and played a role in Jenkins’ firing, one could understand, but LaRoche was the driving force behind the Grizzlies going away from ball screens to begin with — and he’s gone too.

[pad300]

:lol firing him over Zach Edey

Edey has been about as expected. effective scorer when on the court. cant stay on the court as much as they'd like because he's just too slow. and you arent paying Ja/Bane/JJJ et al to run your offense through Edey

I'm pretty sure that's Memphis GM Zach Kleiman, not Zach Edey...

[poopbox]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6239543/2025/03/28/why-did-taylor-jenkins-get-fired-grizzlies/

Yeah firing Jenkins assistants and then picking them for him was the end. Dude was basically fired in July, everything else is just severance.

Not sure how implementing an office that runs counter intuitive to your franchise players top skills helps them in the long run. Even funnier when you consider that in the playoffs, lots of games just devolve to pick and roll / iso fest because when you are into game 3 against the same team with a good coaching staff they have sniffed out and neutered lots of your off ball actions.

Organization that never one anything making decisions that show why they never won anything.

[spurraider21]

I'm pretty sure that's Memphis GM Zach Kleiman, not Zach Edey...


nah if you read the article they spend a lot of time focusing on Edey as well

[LeBowen]

Yeah firing Jenkins assistants and then picking them for him was the end. Dude was basically fired in July, everything else is just severance.

Not sure how implementing an office that runs counter intuitive to your franchise players top skills helps them in the long run. Even funnier when you consider that in the playoffs, lots of games just devolve to pick and roll / iso fest because when you are into game 3 against the same team with a good coaching staff they have sniffed out and neutered lots of your off ball actions.

Organization that never one anything making decisions that show why they never won anything.

Will be interesting to see if they move Ja, it honestly seems like the right move.
Undersized, not a good shooter (on the court :lol), injury and character issues.
Two years left on his deal, perfect time to move him.

[KobesAchilles]

I don’t think we should move with Mitch going forward. Wemby will be starting his 3rd year. We can’t afford to waste anymore years with being mediocre. Hire the best possible coach and go from there.

[scott]

Will be interesting to see if they move Ja, it honestly seems like the right move.
Undersized, not a good shooter (on the court :lol), injury and character issues.
Two years left on his deal, perfect time to move him.

One note, Ja has three years left on his rookie extension, not two. Souldn't be too hard to move him though if they wanted.

[scott]

One major benefit of hiring Jenkins would be that we'd become far less likely to continually get cucked by Memphis

[baseline bum]

Yeah firing Jenkins assistants and then picking them for him was the end. Dude was basically fired in July, everything else is just severance.

Not sure how implementing an office that runs counter intuitive to your franchise players top skills helps them in the long run. Even funnier when you consider that in the playoffs, lots of games just devolve to pick and roll / iso fest because when you are into game 3 against the same team with a good coaching staff they have sniffed out and neutered lots of your off ball actions.

Organization that never one anything making decisions that show why they never won anything.

No way they're not moving Ja, he hates Iisalo's offense.

[BackHome]

Why draft Edey if your not going to use him to set screens

[exstatic]

No way they're not moving Ja, he hates Iisalo's offense.

If it’s a “players league” shouldn’t he be the one held responsible for their playoff flameouts?

[Dverde]

So this entire wasted season where Mitch sucked even with DPOY Wemby didn’t count as ‘a chance?’ I hope Wemby’s not that stupid.

Not a Glitch fan, I just see the writing on the wall. Obviously, Wemby can try to force his pick, but I don’t think he will.

[Bill_Brasky]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6239543/2025/03/28/why-did-taylor-jenkins-get-fired-grizzlies/

Reading reddit, the spin job is hilarious from Memphis fans. "Coming off an injury riddled season, we forced the coach to fire a bunch of assistants and bring in new ones. Our offense wasn't good enough, we had to move away from PnR action. But also, our best player is a ball dominant athletic PG and we drafted a giant dude with a lottery pick to help set screens. We brought in 2 new assistants to design the offense(LaRoche and Iisalo) but they apparently have conflicting ideas on what that offense should look like, where LaRoche wanted a motion offense and Iisalo liked PnR. None of this really meshed so we fired the HC with like a week remaining in the regular season. That is long enough to figure out if we like Iisalo or not. This definitely is what needed to be done and not a sign of horrible dysfunction."

[SPURt]

Dallas and Memphis have some geniuses running things :lol what a dumpster fire

[Jordan Jackson]

Grizzlies did the right thing. Ja is next out the door. There is dysfunction there. Tear it down.

If Jenkins doesn’t sit out next season - the Kings seem like the type of team to hire him.

[Jordan Jackson]

Dallas and Memphis have some geniuses running things :lol what a dumpster fire

Dallas should have got way more for Luka but they weren’t wrong about his fat ass.

[baseline bum]

Grizzlies did the right thing. Ja is next out the door. There is dysfunction there. Tear it down.

If Jenkins doesn’t sit out next season - the Kings seem like the type of team to hire him.

Fuck the Kings, Spurs should hire him.

[R. DeMurre]

Ja Morant is a much better candidate than Doncic was for the shock treatment of a major trade. Even putting his maturity & behavioral issues aside, I'd be nervous about maxing out and giving the franchise player title to an undersized guy with shooting, turnover, defense, and availability issues. Ja's supposed advantages remind me a lot of Iverson's back in the day, more street cred & highlight reel hype than objective impact. Taylor Jenkins will probably look back at this firing someday as a blessing.

[ginobilized]

Ja Morant is a much better candidate than Doncic was for the shock treatment of a major trade. Even putting his maturity & behavioral issues aside, I'd be nervous about maxing out and giving the franchise player title to an undersized guy with shooting, turnover, defense, and availability issues. Ja's supposed advantages remind me a lot of Iverson's back in the day, more street cred & highlight reel hype than objective impact. Taylor Jenkins will probably look back at this firing someday as a blessing.

Please note that you are using the words shooting and firing in the same post as Ja. These words could have double meanings.

[Robz4000]

Fuck the Kings, Spurs should hire him.

:pop: it wouldn't be fair to me, I deserve to go out on my own terms

[Pauleta14]

Why hasn't there been any rumors linking him to the Spurs yet smh?

It's such an obvious choice, it makes me fear Spurs wanna keep Mitch "learning the job" Johnson for another season at least (as a Pop backup?)

[Ice009]

Man, I hope the Spurs don't pass up any legitimate candidates to wait around for nothing.

[baseline bum]

:pop: it wouldn't be fair to me, I deserve to go out on my own terms

You can't even wipe your own ass

[TD 21]

Jenkins is a "good" coach based on what? If it's because they won a lot of games, so have punching bags Brown, Williams, etc.

If it's because of supposed x and o acumen, what is it he was supposedly doing that others weren't?

He's another that seemingly lacks presence, which is the same thing Johnson lacks and the number one quality they should be prioritizing.

[Pauleta14]

Why hasn't there been any rumors linking him to the Spurs yet smh?

It's such an obvious choice, it makes me fear Spurs wanna keep Mitch "learning the job" Johnson for another season at least (as a Pop backup?)

Got what I wanted!!

https://x.com/WireHoops/status/1906773605406412835

[Raven]

Will be interesting to see if they move Ja, it honestly seems like the right move.
Undersized, not a good shooter (on the court :lol), injury and character issues.
Two years left on his deal, perfect time to move him.

i don't know, he seems unguardable to me

[LeBowen]

i don't know, he seems unguardable to me

Are you doing this on purpose? :lol

He's at 22ppg on 55% TS this season.
7.5 assists and 3.8 turnovers.
28% from 3pt.

Obviously some of it is on injuries, but I don't think he's worth it if there's a good trade to be made.

[Raven]

Are you doing this on purpose? :lol

He's at 22ppg on 55% TS this season.
7.5 assists and 3.8 turnovers.
28% from 3pt.

Obviously some of it is on injuries, but I don't think he's worth it if there's a good trade to be made.

i'm just saying he can blow past anybody in the league without even trying.. not saying anything about his shooting percentages

[LeBowen]

i'm just saying he can blow past anybody in the league without even trying.. not saying anything about his shooting percentages

His speed doesn't really matter when he's not an elite finisher or playmaker, he can do only so much because of his obvious flaws.
Still a great player, but I don't think he's someone you build a team around.

[Raven]

His speed doesn't really matter when he's not an elite finisher or playmaker, he can do only so much because of his obvious flaws.
Still a great player, but I don't think he's someone you build a team around.

they are safely in the playoffs with tho rookie starters...

[LeBowen]

they are safely in the playoffs with tho rookie starters...

You're really going hard after the most clueless member award.
He missed 30 games and they're 16-14 without him.
Were 15-10, but then a losing streak happened, including two losses with Ja, most likely on coaching situation.
Is he a positive contributor? Yes.
Are all of his flaws worth tolerating? Both on and off the court? I don't think so.

[KobesAchilles]

His speed doesn't really matter when he's not an elite finisher or playmaker, he can do only so much because of his obvious flaws.
Still a great player, but I don't think he's someone you build a team around.
I think with players like Ja, you just have a short window of contending. Memphis has literally done everything right to put pieces around Ja and they are still a second round exit. Memphis should be looking to trade him to another team. I think a team like Chi would trade the farm for him.

But from an ownership perspective I wouldn’t trade him and would be perfectly content with where I’m at. Hosting playoff games is good business. And I remember when I was visiting Memphis (I’ll never go back) and the ticket prices were $3 and still nobody went. I think that was the year before they drafted Ja.

[Raven]

You're really going hard after the most clueless member award.
He missed 30 games and they're 16-14 without him.
Were 15-10, but then a losing streak happened, including two losses with Ja, most likely on coaching situation.
Is he a positive contributor? Yes.
Are all of his flaws worth tolerating? Both on and off the court? I don't think so.

You're really going hard at the "answering questions nobody asked about" member award.

[LeBowen]

You're really going hard at the "answering questions nobody asked about" member award.

Yeah, just change the subject when someone calls your nonsense out.

[Raven]

Yeah, just change the subject when someone calls your nonsense out.

what nonsense, i just said he's unguardable, it is you who always thinks i'm picking on you :lol

[ambchang]

what nonsense, i just said he's unguardable, it is you who always thinks i'm picking on you :lol

He already responded to that earlier. But then is unguardable a subjective measure that require eye tests or is it something that could be measured like shooting percentages and such?

[Raven]

He already responded to that earlier. But then is unguardable a subjective measure that require eye tests or is it something that could be measured like shooting percentages and such?

it's more about speed and ballhandling

[scott]

He already responded to that earlier. But then is unguardable a subjective measure that require eye tests or is it something that could be measured like shooting percentages and such?

There is unguardable (like Shai, Jokic, Giannis etc)... then there is "unguardable" like Sochan. As in... we don't have to guard him :lol

[dn0774]

The injury report guards Ja pretty well.

[exstatic]

The injury report guards Ja pretty well.

As does the commissioner.

[Dex]

Ja is not what we need now that we have Fox and Castle, both guards who will want the ball in their hands.

And I definitely don't want that dude sharing a locker room with Wemby.

We need a good backup center and what every other team needs...3&D wings. And we need to cut some more deadweight....I won't name any names, you know who they are.

Hard pass.

[widowmaker]

i don't know, he seems unguardable to me

Unguardable just because he can't stay on the court.

[scott]

Ja is not what we need now that we have Fox and Castle, both guards who will want the ball in their hands.

And I definitely don't want that dude sharing a locker room with Wemby.

We need a good backup center and what every other team needs...3&D wings. And we need to cut some more deadweight....I won't name any names, you know who they are.

Hard pass.

I don't think anyone is suggesting trading for Ja (except for Chinook, pre-Fox)

[ambchang]

it's more about speed and ballhandling

How does that translate to unguardable? These are very different terms.

[ambchang]

There is unguardable (like Shai, Jokic, Giannis etc)... then there is "unguardable" like Sochan. As in... we don't have to guard him :lol

Dude don’t do this to me. Sochan was playing so well at the start of the year, then he has to take on new roles he can’t do and everything went down the toilet.

[Dod01]

Jenkins wouldn't be a bad hire, but if not Manu, I really want Becky as the next coach.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/RunItBackFDTV/status/1907084414875578641

[Mugen]

Please, god.

[LeBowen]

"No one's trying to kick the legend out before he wants to go, but Taylor is somebody who is widely discussed."

https://media1.tenor.com/m/pgqf6BDXADIAAAAd/the-office-steve-carell.gif

[Mugen]

Park the old man upstairs in his "President" role and let's bring back some competitive fire to the bench tbh.

[BatManu20]

Jenkins is an absolute no-brainer hire (assuming he wants it) and if the Spurs somehow screw this up by letting Pop come back for another season then we are an unserious organization tbh.

[Twisted_Dawg]

One bit of caution, in reading the Memphis Redditt as well as the Memphis forum, it seems most of the fans were not angered and outraged over the firing. Many of the fans mentioned Jenkins' odd line ups and substitutions. I got the impression that most of the fans were okay with the firing, which I thought was odd due to the timing two weeks before the playoffs. I honestly thought there would be widespread anger like when the Mavs traded Luka.

[twodeep]

More I read about this the more is screams he appeased the GM in the offseason with new assistants and it did not work so management blames him for their bad decisions and let him go.

[ginobilized]

Jenkins seems like a logical choice for us. However, the odd line ups would drive this board crazy. In our one win against Memphis I remember wondering why the hot hands of the moment (can't remember who at the moment) were benched. I felt it helped us win that game.

It is going to be one hell of an off season between Pop's status, the lottery, the draft and FA.Lot's of unknown variables for a franchise that likes predictable outcomes.

[LeBowen]

However, the odd line ups would drive this board crazy.

We're used to it by now. It's been like that for years.

[scott]

Long ESPN story about Jenkin's firing. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44480928/no-one-was-same-page-memphis-grizzlies-shocking-firing-taylor-jenkins

Honestly it just sounds like MEM is run by morons.

[scott]

I did not realize MEM got LaRoche from... us.


There were two architects and one supervisor -- Jenkins -- charged with blending the competing visions. One was Tuomas Iisalo, a Finnish coach who'd had a meteoric rise in Europe by implementing innovative offensive concepts around pick-and-roll schemes, pacing and offensive rebounding. Another was player development specialist Noah LaRoche, whom the Grizzlies had lured from a consulting role with the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) and charged with teaching an offense that prioritized spacing and largely did away with pick-and-rolls and dribble handoffs.

[LeBowen]

Jenkins, the fifth-longest-tenured NBA coach, had never met either of the assistants before interviewing them, one source said.


"It was a total shock because we'd already had our exit meetings and were preparing for the summer," one former assistant said. "We'd all gone away for a few weeks and came back to start work again. Taylor felt so bad about it. But apparently they decided to go in another direction."


"Players aren't stupid," another source said. "They know where this is heading when you fire five assistants after the season."

Can't do this shit if you want to be taken seriously.
This is why players, most notably KD, had no interest in joining them. Players know about everything that goes on.
If they wanted to take another direction, they should've fired Jenkins last summer or let him finish this season.

Also, Iisalo apparenlty had offers from other teams, that's probably why they did what they did.


Memphis is committed to extending Jackson and Aldama this summer, sources said. And Kleiman publicly denied trade rumors and affirmed the commitment to Morant in February.

Well, there goes Aldama.
Should focus on John Collins, tbh.

[scott]

There has been a lot of talk that Ja didn't like the new offense and both he (and MEM fans) would want to see Ja in more PnR action... but it turns out, Ja's not actually very good at that. A good example of how what's best for the player is not always what's best for the team.


FOR ALL OF his individual gifts, Morant has never been a great pick-and-roll player. He's not even above average, according to ESPN Research.Morant averages just 0.99 points per direct pick as the ball handler in his career when using an on-ball screen. That ranks 39th among 56 players to run at least 5,000 on-ball screens as the ball handler since 2019-20.
He also has just a 44.7% effective field goal percentage on jumpers when coming off an on-ball screen in his career. Only Russell Westbrook (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook) has been worse among 111 players to take at least 750 jumpers when coming off an on-ball screen since 2019-20.
The appeal of an offense that doesn't rely on pick-and-rolls is obvious for a franchise built around Morant's offensive talents.

[stephen jackson]

Kenyon Martin just said on Gil’s arena Taylor to spurs is done and smirked, looked like he has inside info , but who knows

[LeBowen]

Kenyon Martin just said on Gil’s arena Taylor to spurs is done and smirked, looked like he has inside info , but who knows

I'm still hoping for Pop's appearance for the final game of the season.
He deserves a proper farewell, but he's got nothing left. Can stay as a consultant or something.

One trait that's never appreciated enough with all-time great athletes and coaches is knowing when it's enough.
We don't want Pop to be one of those who stayed way past their expiration date and started ruining his legacy.

[mo7888]

I'm still hoping for Pop's appearance for the final game of the season.
He deserves a proper farewell, but he's got nothing left. Can stay as a consultant or something.

One trait that's never appreciated enough with all-time great athletes and coaches is knowing when it's enough.
We don't want Pop to be one of those who stayed way past their expiration date and started ruining his legacy.

Best case scenario for all parties..

[scott]

Kenyon Martin just said on Gil’s arena Taylor to spurs is done and smirked, looked like he has inside info , but who knows

It's fun to connect the dots on who people on ST are on reddit :lol

I think we should all just have a secret agreement to not reveal identities across platforms :)

[Mugen]

One bit of caution, in reading the Memphis Redditt as well as the Memphis forum, it seems most of the fans were not angered and outraged over the firing. Many of the fans mentioned Jenkins' odd line ups and substitutions. I got the impression that most of the fans were okay with the firing, which I thought was odd due to the timing two weeks before the playoffs. I honestly thought there would be widespread anger like when the Mavs traded Luka.

The old man refused to play Dejounte and Derrick White at the same time for a full season in favor of Bryn F'n Forbes. He started Sochan at point for 1/3 of the season last year.

The bar is low when it comes to "odd line ups" in the Spurs organization tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

The old man refused to play Dejounte and Derrick White at the same time for a full season in favor of Bryn F'n Forbes. He started Sochan at point for 1/3 of the season last year.

The bar is low when it comes to "odd line ups" in the Spurs organization tbh :lol
Mills/Forbes lineup.

Blair/Bonner turd towers

none of this is new. at least Jenkins will get a baseline level of competent, professional play out of our guys, with a more recent track record of developing good young players. in recent seasons (last 2 months notwithstanding), memphis has consistently punched above its weight when playing hurt or shorthanded

gimme all that

[TD 21]

One bit of caution, in reading the Memphis Redditt as well as the Memphis forum, it seems most of the fans were not angered and outraged over the firing. Many of the fans mentioned Jenkins' odd line ups and substitutions. I got the impression that most of the fans were okay with the firing, which I thought was odd due to the timing two weeks before the playoffs. I honestly thought there would be widespread anger like when the Mavs traded Luka.

You could probably do the same with every coach in every sport and more or less find the same thing.

So long as they "look like" Jenkins while having a modicum of success, the majority will always think they're a genius and the grass is greener, until they're coaching their team and suddenly they realize they're similar to the supposed idiot they replaced.

[scott]

You could probably do the same with every coach in every sport and more or less find the same thing.

So long as they "look like" Jenkins while having a modicum of success, the majority will always think they're a genius and the grass is greener, until they're coaching their team and suddenly they realize they're similar to the supposed idiot they replaced.

Why not just directly say that White Men should not be NBA coaches like you want to?

Does your opinion extend to Latinos? Asians? Women?

Just would like to know where TD 21 stands.

[CGD]

#BringHimHome

[TD 21]

Why not just directly say that White Men should not be NBA coaches like you want to?

Does your opinion extend to Latinos? Asians? Women?

Just would like to know where TD 21 stands.

If I wanted to, I'd say it.

That's never been my point.

[spurraider21]

Why not just directly say that White Men should not be NBA coaches like you want to?

Does your opinion extend to Latinos? Asians? Women?

Just would like to know where TD 21 stands.
seriously.

everybody here would love Ty Lue. Erik Spoelstra. Ime Udoka.

21 wont say what he means, and wont mean what he says. its why i didnt bat an eye over him leaving the forum

[pad300]

...
Well, there goes Aldama.
Should focus on John Collins, tbh.

"Memphis is committed to extending ... Aldama" is not the same thing as Aldama wants to be in Memphis...

[baseline bum]

"Memphis is committed to extending ... Aldama" is not the same thing as Aldama wants to be in Memphis...

I think they can make him a restricted free agent by making the qualifying offer to him.

[ginobilized]

I wonder if a Ja for Zion swap would make sense?

I had no idea MEM did the LaRoche poach from, uh, us. That does make a bit of sense that he and Jenkins might find their way back to the Spurs.

Do teams have coaching Big Boards? If so, I wonder where Jenkins falls on the Spurs Big Board?

[mystargtr34]

The old man refused to play Dejounte and Derrick White at the same time for a full season in favor of Bryn F'n Forbes. He started Sochan at point for 1/3 of the season last year.

The bar is low when it comes to "odd line ups" in the Spurs organization tbh :lol

It goes back a lot further 😂. Trading Scola because he ‘played the same position as Duncan’, then trotting out Kurt Thomas and Antonio Mcdyess next to Duncan for the next 3 years. Refusing to play Tiago his rookie year and only 19 MPG his second season.

[slick'81]

Pop says no

[The Truth #6]

It feels like the next coach will almost 100% have to come from within the organizational tree. Continuity. Honoring Pop. Less fear of people losing their jobs with big turnover. Etc.

[Ice009]

It goes back a lot further 😂. Trading Scola because he ‘played the same position as Duncan’, then trotting out Kurt Thomas and Antonio Mcdyess next to Duncan for the next 3 years. Refusing to play Tiago his rookie year and only 19 MPG his second season.

I thought one of the reasons they traded Scola was his lack of defense as well as position? They wanted a center so went with Fab instead.

[The Truth #6]

Why not just directly say that White Men should not be NBA coaches like you want to?

Does your opinion extend to Latinos? Asians? Women?

Just would like to know where TD 21 stands.

Sounds like similar vibe from before.

Obviously, white privilege exists but it's not so simple in the NBA Coaching world as it used to be. Monty Williams was a disaster in Detroit. Bickerstaff seems to have completely turned them around.

Silas was a disaster in Houston and Ime completely turned them around.

Various factors in each case but doesn't seem to have anything to do with race.

Not aimed at you Scott. Just spitballing.

[scott]

Sounds like similar vibe from before.

Obviously, white privilege exists but it's not so simple in the NBA Coaching world as it used to be. Monty Williams was a disaster in Detroit. Bickerstaff seems to have completely turned them around.

Silas was a disaster in Houston and Ime completely turned them around.

Various factors in each case but doesn't seem to have anything to do with race.

Not aimed at you Scott. Just spitballing.

Yep. There are some great black coaches. There are some atrocious white coaches. But TD 21 seems to think that no white coach is worthy and that all black coaches are victims of narrative.

[LeBowen]

Yep. There are some great black coaches. There are some atrocious white coaches. But TD 21 seems to think that no white coach is worthy and that all black coaches are victims of narrative.

His hate on Kenny Atkinson and nonsense about how he didn't make any difference for the Cavs makes much more sense now, tbh.

[Jordan Jackson]

Black, white, purple or green Jenkins is not a very good coach.

Utah needs to give Will Hardy back to the Spurs. Wasting his time. They don’t need him.

[TD 21]

Yep. There are some great black coaches. There are some atrocious white coaches. But TD 21 seems to think that no white coach is worthy and that all black coaches are victims of narrative.

If that's what you've got out of what I've said, then you're not nearly as intelligent as you seem to think you are.

Still no answer why Jenkins is a supposed good coach (whatever that means) and no brainer hire.

[Mr. Body]

Impressed how people can see the chucklefucks Jenkins has been working with for players and the records and seeding he consistently gets. What's going on? You actually think this is a great roster? Nearly everybody has vastly over performed under him.

[Dex]

It feels like the next coach will almost 100% have to come from within the organizational tree. Continuity. Honoring Pop. Less fear of people losing their jobs with big turnover. Etc.

Becky seems like the obvious choice, just gotta offer her enough to leave the WNBA.

Good coach? Check.

Inside hire? Check.

Knows Pop and the system? Check.

Players like her? Check.

HUGE PR boost for the Spurs and the NBA? Check.

[spursistan]

Grizz not even getting the 'new coach bounce' effect.. So much for this Iisalo genuis :lol

It was such a foolish decision. You don't fire a coach sitting at 5th seed with 8 games left unless (a) Udoka Situation Redux (b) he got into a fist fight with a player or a higher-up (c) he shot/killed somebody on the street.

Memphis brass are delusional if they think they have a contending roster..

[mystargtr34]

I still think Budenholzer is getting sacked even if they trade KD.. so Spurs should have a choice between two pretty good candidates in Bud and Jenkins.

Not sure who I would lean towards rn. Bud has a longer track record of success with the Hawks, then Bucks, albeit this years Suns team was a failure but they did have a poorly constructed roster and Bud got some good success from some lineups. Durant-Booker-Jones-Dunn 4-man lineup has a +8.9 net rating in 241 minutes across 29 games. He just refused to play Dunn anywhere near enough, he was their only good perimeter defender. Then they had a clvjnarion of Nurk-Plumlee-Richards at centre which is a disaster.

[cutewizard]

Hurley would be an incredible coach

But I guess it's an institutional choice

[exstatic]

Hurley would be an incredible coach

But I guess it's an institutional choice

It’s leaking out into the public domain,but he’s kind of an abuser, Bobby Knight style. For the first time in almost 3 years, his team isn’t coming off a championship, and people are starting to talk about his demeanor and the way he carries himself. You can’t make it in the NBA as a screaming and shouting coach. The players will just tune you out.

[LeBowen]

It’s leaking out into the public domain,but he’s kind of an abuser, Bobby Knight style. For the first time in almost 3 years, his team isn’t coming off a championship, and people are starting to talk about his demeanor and the way he carries himself. You can’t make it in the NBA as a screaming and shouting coach. The players will just tune you out.

Does it even need to leak out? I don't even follow college basketball, but from those few interviews I've seen it's obvious that Hurley is a psycho control freak.
Would never work long term.

College ball is a joke, I'd rather have someone showing great promise in European leagues than a college coach.

[Ice009]

Grizzlies look super foolish right about now. They deserve it, though. It's absolutely idotic to fire a coach just before the playoffs when you're the 5th seed with a real chance at the 4th seed and homecourt in the first round. They should have done it back in February if they wanted to do it, so as to have given the team a chance to adjust. No idea what they were thinking. Did they want to torpedo their season and lose in the first round? They may have just prematurely ended their season before the playoffs even begin. It seems like there is some real idiots running the show over there.
Like others mentioned, unless Jenkins did something really, really bad, this was the absolute wrong time to fire him. It looks like he got way more out of their roster than most would have, and they overachieved with what he had to work with. I guess we'll see as there is still a slight chance they could recover and play well in the playoffs, but as of right now, it's not looking good at all.

And if Bobby Hurley has that type of demeanor/personality, then I've changed my mind on him and no way do I want him as Spurs coach. That won't work in the NBA at all when the players are making more money than you (not unless he has a team full of Tim Duncans or maybe Steph Castles who can take that and still go out there and play without being fazed. 98% of NBA players won't react well to that, though).

As for Jenkins, what type of personality does he have? I want the Spurs to get someone with a balance like Pop in his better/best seasons. I actually think Becky might have that balance where players will like her and she can also be firm when need be. As shitty as it is, I just don't know if the Spurs would seriously consider her.

[ginobilized]

The good news is that there are some great coaching options for the Spurs. My order would be:

Becky
Jenkins
Vogel
Brown
Mitch
Bud

Snyder, Hardy and Ime would be pretty awesome, but, likely unattainable, at least for next season

[Ice009]

Yes, that is a nice list.

What do you think about Becky's chances for real?

If Pop does come back, maybe those other three could be attainable another season if things don't go well a year or two down the road for them.

[exstatic]

The good news is that there are some great coaching options for the Spurs. My order would be:

Becky
Jenkins
Vogel
Brown
Mitch
Bud

Snyder, Hardy and Ime would be pretty awesome, but, likely unattainable, at least for next season

If ATL spirals down and loses the play in, and I see that as very possible with both CHI and MIA coming on like freight trains, ready to pounce on ATL, Snyder could become available.

[mo7888]

If ATL spirals down and loses the play in, and I see that as very possible with both CHI and MIA coming on like freight trains, ready to pounce on ATL, Snyder could become available.

That's my hope. I like Jenkins and Bud, but Snyder would top my list.

[ginobilized]

If ATL spirals down and loses the play in, and I see that as very possible with both CHI and MIA coming on like freight trains, ready to pounce on ATL, Snyder could become available.

That's the spirit!

ATL downward spiral which gets us their top 4 pick and their coach. That's my Make A Wish dream scenario.

[spurraider21]

The good news is that there are some great coaching options for the Spurs. My order would be:

Becky
Jenkins
Vogel
Brown
Mitch
Bud

Snyder, Hardy and Ime would be pretty awesome, but, likely unattainable, at least for next season
i dont doubt that becky is a good coach and has the chops to coach at the NBA level. i just wonder if there would be an issue with players not buying in

id also have Bud above Mitch and Brown

[exstatic]

That's the spirit!

ATL downward spiral which gets us their top 4 pick and their coach. That's my Make A Wish dream scenario.

Top 4 pick is unlikely, even if they bomb out of the play in. Right now, they would be in position 12/13. That tie would put them at about 6% for top 4. Their FO might get frustrated and fire the coach if they fade that badly.

I’d love to poach Snyder, though.

[jjspur]

i dont doubt that becky is a good coach and has the chops to coach at the NBA level. i just wonder if there would be an issue with players not buying in

id also have Bud above Mitch and Brown
I like the slightly somewhat available list, but I would put Mitch at the bottom. All the rest have a history of winning at some point, other than Mitch - and a coach needs to exemplify that it is about winning/competency or the players just won't buy in. Players quickly tune out a loser coach. I think Mitch just needs some more time- where is anybody's guess.

[Splits]

If ATL spirals down and loses the play in, and I see that as very possible with both CHI and MIA coming on like freight trains, ready to pounce on ATL, Snyder could become available.

Add to the list of idiotic takes by exstatic that will never happen

Maybe tell us more how ATL is still overachieving and are due for a downfall in their last handful of games?

[scott]

If that's what you've got out of what I've said, then you're not nearly as intelligent as you seem to think you are.

Still no answer why Jenkins is a supposed good coach (whatever that means) and no brainer hire.

Yep, we're all just a bunch of morons here. You're the only intelligent one.

There's multiple pages of people talking about what they like about Jenkins. You choose to ignore those on behalf of your agenda. At least it's a departure from your typical weird obsession with Steph Curry and the Raptors, I guess.

[spurraider21]

no shot ATL is letting Snyder go. theyve shown some legit growth this year and there is an actual vision for that team's future. Trae seems happy.

their 2nd best player who was playing at a borderline all star level missed more than half the year. dyson daniels went from trade fodder to a DPOY candidate with a blossoming offensive game and just turned 22. trae was hampered for much fo the season with some mystery achilles condition. if their season was a trainwreck i could see them dumping snyder, but the've been solid.

[scott]

Yes, that is a nice list.

What do you think about Becky's chances for real?

If Pop does come back, maybe those other three could be attainable another season if things don't go well a year or two down the road for them.

There are some clips floating online, but she recently did some kind of interview and David Chancellor asked her specifically if she would like the opportunity to coach the Spurs.

She gave a pretty "politically correct" answer about being very happy in Las Vegas and appreciative of how they've treated her, but she'd always listen if the NBA came calling but she has had opportunities to interview recently and has turned them down because she's happy with where she's at with the Aces. She went on to say that at one point she really wanted to be the first female NBA coach, but now she just going to root for whomever it is that accomplishes that and she isn't as concerned with it being her.

What I gathered from her response was... I'd definitely listen if Pop called me... but I'm not gonna do it to be someone's puppet or for peanuts.

[exstatic]

Add to the list of idiotic takes by exstatic that will never happen

Maybe tell us more how ATL is still overachieving and are due for a downfall in their last handful of games?

It’s happening already. They’ve lost 3/4 now that teams are even mildly interested in the games on the eve of the playoffs. Trae dropped 29/15, and they weren’t even close last game. Play everyone straight up, let Trae do his inefficient thing, and you’re going to win most nights.

[The Truth #6]

I think she's tired of being interviewed when the team isn't sincerely interested. Also, I'm curious about someone on the Spurs *supposedly* leaking to the Blazers FO that she wasn't qualified, and if that would affect her decision to even want to come back for another round of interviews. I'm guessing she definitely would but who knows.

[timtonymanu]

Yep, we're all just a bunch of morons here. You're the only intelligent one.

There's multiple pages of people talking about what they like about Jenkins. You choose to ignore those on behalf of your agenda. At least it's a departure from your typical weird obsession with Steph Curry and the Raptors, I guess.

Was a matter of time when the real TD21 was gonna come out. Instead of being like “I’m sick, guys. I’m changed so be nice now.”

[TD 21]

Yep, we're all just a bunch of morons here. You're the only intelligent one.

There's multiple pages of people talking about what they like about Jenkins. You choose to ignore those on behalf of your agenda. At least it's a departure from your typical weird obsession with Steph Curry and the Raptors, I guess.

I didn't say all, I said you. My points have clearly been about privilege + a combination of second hand information (often from national media, many of whom have agendas), groupthink and racial bias forming perceptions that become realities.

If phony, close minded, defensive people like yourself want to spin that as my calling them racist or being racist, that's on them.

Before I add you to ignore with the rest of them, self appointed orature of this echo chamber: Tell me specifically what Jenkins did that makes him a supposedly "good" coach and how he'd upgrade this team.

[LeBowen]

Before I add you to ignore with the rest of them

Why would anyone even reply to you when you just keep talking about the ignore list.
The entire point of the ignore list is lost when you keep announcing you're going to ignore people. :lol

[scott]

I didn't say all, I said you. My points have clearly been about privilege + a combination of second hand information (often from national media, many of whom have agendas), groupthink and racial bias forming perceptions that become realities.

If phony, close minded, defensive people like yourself want to spin that as my calling them racist or being racist, that's on them.

Before I add you to ignore with the rest of them, self appointed orature of this echo chamber: Tell me specifically what Jenkins did that makes him a supposedly "good" coach and how he'd upgrade this team.

Please put me on ignore. It will spare me from having to read your quote replies to my posts. The only thing better would be for you to "retire" from this website again. At least that would give you the self-indulgent satisfaction of thinking anyone here cares.

[LeBowen]

Please put me on ignore. It will spare me from having to read your quote replies to my posts. The only thing better would be for you to "retire" from this website again. At least that would give you the self-indulgent satisfaction of thinking anyone here cares.

Wait, he's the guy with "I'm back" post? That completely slipped my mind. :lol
Tbh, I don't think people with serious mental issues should be made fun of. Who knows what he's going through outside the forum.

[scott]

Wait, he's the guy with "I'm back" post? That completely slipped my mind. :lol
Tbh, I don't think people with serious mental issues should be made fun of. Who knows what he's going through outside the forum.

I legitimately hope TD 21, as a person, is healthy. I don't wish will upon anyone, even the most worthless members of this site.

With that said, he's kind of like some of our players... you just never even notice when they're gone. Never once do I wake up and think "man, I hope I can read some crusty old man's obsessive conspiracy theories about Steph Curry, the Toronto Raptors and Doc Rivers."

I will, however, remember the time he slid into my DMs to ask me if I was half black, as if it fucking matters. What a fucking weirdo.

[TD 21]

Please put me on ignore. It will spare me from having to read your quote replies to my posts. The only thing better would be for you to "retire" from this website again. At least that would give you the self-indulgent satisfaction of thinking anyone here cares.

Ad homenim and evasion. On brand for the self appointed orator of the echo chamber.

I saw that recently. I don't remember writing it or what led up to it (my short term memory is shot since my health issue and believe it or not, I'm young), but since returning I've been reminded why I didn't want to waste some of what I thought was limited time left on this cesspool of a board. "Retire" was just a heads up to those who enjoyed reading and/or conversing with me over the years.

Speaking of which, though I never read beyond my initial post, the length of that thread and my PM's would beg to differ on people not caring.

[timtonymanu]

Ignore list is for pussies. :lol

TD posts a lot of filth but I dont feel the need to ignore him. Won’t be surprised if he takes people off ignore to see if anything is said about him and then goes right back to placing them on ignore.

[LeBowen]

Ignore list is for pussies. :lol

It's kind of pointless when you can always see the "X who's on your ignore list posted" between actual posts and you can obviously see qoutes.
There's only one forum I know with good ignore function that completely removes everything from the user you don't want to interact with. You don't even know they posted unless you look at post # and see which ones are missing.

[exstatic]

It's kind of pointless when you can always see the "X who's on your ignore list posted" between actual posts and you can obviously see qoutes.
There's only one forum I know with good ignore function that completely removes everything from the user you don't want to interact with. You don't even know they posted unless you look at post # and see which ones are missing.

There used to be a mod function on this board that would completely hide a poster’s output from everyone. I do remember it being used one time as a temporary timeout measure.

[GAustex]

Does it even need to leak out? I don't even follow college basketball, but from those few interviews I've seen it's obvious that Hurley is a psycho control freak.
Would never work long term.

College ball is a joke, I'd rather have someone showing great promise in European leagues than a college coach.
UConn runs a great system but Hurley is a jerk

[spurraider21]

It's kind of pointless when you can always see the "X who's on your ignore list posted" between actual posts and you can obviously see qoutes.
There's only one forum I know with good ignore function that completely removes everything from the user you don't want to interact with. You don't even know they posted unless you look at post # and see which ones are missing.
based ElNono created a tool to completely hide those posts too tbh

uses ublock origin and creates the codes. the post in the OP removes all threads created by unwanted posters from the front page, the post ive linked below removes all comments from ignored users

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293115&page=11&p=10537949&viewfull=1#post10537949

[benefactor]

Almost 16 years later and nothing's changed:lol

TD21 walked in the door here with some kind of huge chip on his shoulder...following LJ around trying to one up him and throwing post count smack at anyone who criticized his takes. He's the guy at the bar that is talking in a group and one by one people start to walk away when they realize he's full of shit.

[RC_Drunkford]

Does it even need to leak out? I don't even follow college basketball, but from those few interviews I've seen it's obvious that Hurley is a psycho control freak.
Would never work long term.

College ball is a joke, I'd rather have someone showing great promise in European leagues than a college coach.

would he pick up the mic mid game and tell the whole arena to stop booing cause „that‘s not who WE are“?

[BatManu20]

Who needs Jenkins when we can just call up King tbh.

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[Ice009]

Never heard of him. I would have thought one of the guys that watches the Austin Spurs would have commented that he's had a great season.

[scott]

Who needs Jenkins when we can just call up King tbh.

1907494020315852880

Maybe at least a candidate for an assistant position somewhere next season

[mystargtr34]

Maybe at least a candidate for an assistant position somewhere next season

You are Scott King aren’t you scott

[scott]

You are Scott King aren’t you scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150)

No comment, but Scott King is definitely the best coach in all of the G-League, deserves a lot more recognition, and also is extremely handsome and has a 10 inch penis and more women should be interested in him

[baseline bum]

It’s leaking out into the public domain,but he’s kind of an abuser, Bobby Knight style. For the first time in almost 3 years, his team isn’t coming off a championship, and people are starting to talk about his demeanor and the way he carries himself. You can’t make it in the NBA as a screaming and shouting coach. The players will just tune you out.

IDK Pop went pretty hard at Tony Parker and Danny Green for years. I miss that Pop because nice guy Pop wasn't getting it done.

[baseline bum]

No comment, but Scott King is definitely the best coach in all of the G-League, deserves a lot more recognition, and also is extremely handsome and has a 10 inch penis and more women should be interested in him

You're not supposed to count the one in your mouth tbh