Anyone feel that the trade for Fox backfired?

[spursparker9]

If Spurs going to keep the #2 pick and get Harper....Fox seems to be the odd one out

[mo7888]

If Spurs going to keep the #2 pick and get Harper....Fox seems to be the odd one out

No

[Extra Stout]

Oh no, we have Tony Parker, Jimmy Butler, and a chance to draft James Harden, the world is ending.

[Frenchfred]

We need some veteran leadership so Fox fills that role and there are 96 minutes for the guards so in theory 32 minutes for each of them. Harper is a rookie so he can come off the bench and whoever is hot finishes the game. Castle can play few minutes at the 3 if we want all of them at the same time.

I’m more concerned with the big, we need rebounding and some strength for big players.

[KobesAchilles]

I don’t really see how it backfired. Fox is an all star level player. Castle and Harper could at some point both become that but they aren’t ready for it now. Only by having Fox in this guard trio do we have any shot of making the playoffs this year. Any playoff experience for the young kids is extremely important.

Also Fox can pick up the scoring load for non-Wemby games. Castle and Harper can’t do that yet. It’s the non-Wemby games that are going to determine whether or not we make the playoffs. And Fox’s extension will end right when Harper’s contract extension begins. So nothing really to regret

[Ddm5]

I feel like back in 97 there was some talk about how Tim and DRob played the same position and we should draft Keith Van Horn instead. That worked out fine. ;) I think good players can make it work.

[benefactor]

No

[Guru of Nothing]

No

[BacktoBasics]

There is really no reason these 3 can’t coexist. Typically when these “fit” situations don’t work out it’s because one or more of the players aren’t willing to give into the team concept. Castle has shown a willingness to find ways to fit where he’s needed. I think he makes it work.

[Seventyniner]

If the Spurs had somehow known they would get the #2 pick back then maybe they wouldn't have traded for Fox. But it was a great deal at the time, and having too much talent is the kind of "problem" the Spurs have needed for a while.

[BatManu20]

Spurs aren't trading Fox :lol. They literally just traded for him with the intent to sign him to a long-term deal so he can pair up with Wemby for years to come. Spurs are just gonna have a log-jam in the backcourt and Harper's gonna have to come off the bench for a while. Bit of an odd situation for us and I'm sure he's not gonna be happy about it, but it's a good problem to have.

[Extra Stout]

If the Spurs had somehow known they would get the #2 pick back then maybe they wouldn't have traded for Fox. But it was a great deal at the time, and having too much talent is the kind of "problem" the Spurs have needed for a while.
I think you still make that deal. It was too good to pass up. Chicago got fleeced.

[mudyez]

Actually when the early Fox talk came up I was like: "It will rob us of the interchabgable parts roster" and "Because he can only play PG and Castle can play that too, we are not as flexible when certain picks or trade tagets show up."

I was right.

BUT for the price we got him, it still was great and I would do it gain and again.

The circumstances are kind if special as we can't trade him for some years, but it's still possible to make it work. And if not, we still can trade Castle or Harper in a year or two (maybe even for a top pick in '26), but I don't see that coming.

Biggest question is: Would it be possible to trade Fox in about 3 years, when we have to think about the number of max contacts. I'm not sure. We owe him something and the Spurs are classy (Ainge would shop him the first day its possible...cough, Isaiha Thomas cough).

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Two of the biggest lessons from the playoffs are that you need many ballhandlers who can create for themselves and for others, and also that depth is incredibly valuable.

Fox, Castle and Harper can coexist and at the same time one of them could eventually be a centrepiece for a good trade down the line.

So no.

[Poolboy5623]

Not one bit.

[exstatic]

Spurs talk: No one on the team except Keldon a Castle can get to the rim!
Also Spurs Talk: we can’t draft a redundant PG who gets to the rim at will.

[exstatic]

Actually when the early Fox talk came up I was like: "It will rob us of the interchabgable parts roster" and "Because he can only play PG and Castle can play that too, we are not as flexible when certain picks or trade tagets show up."

I was right.

BUT for the price we got him, it still was great and I would do it gain and again.

The circumstances are kind if special as we can't trade him for some years, but it's still possible to make it work. And if not, we still can trade Castle or Harper in a year or two (maybe even for a top pick in '26), but I don't see that coming.

Biggest question is: Would it be possible to trade Fox in about 3 years, when we have to think about the number of max contacts. I'm not sure. We owe him something and the Spurs are classy (Ainge would shop him the first day its possible...cough, Isaiha Thomas cough).

If there’s just Wemby and Fox on the high end of the salary scale (30%-35%), we can probably let it play out for four years.

[spursparker9]

I guess Keldon and Vassell and Champaigne will get push further down the bench

Bye bye to Makalai and Wesley.

Oh wait CP3's contract has ended correct?

[scottspurs]

Absolutely not. You got him at a discount! Really only gave up 2 1sts and some roster trash. The bulls would have tanked into the top 10 and the hornets pick was never going to convey.

[cd98]

Spurs should sign Fox, let him play for the Spurs for 3 years while Harper develops into the next point guard, and then trade Fox, while he is at the back end of his prime. You can't pass up on a Castle/Harper backcourt. That backcourt could be as menacing defensively as the Jordan/Harper backcourt of yesteryear.

[Chomag]

Nah, but I would incourage Fox to work allot on his 3pt shooting this summer. He can make them at a good clip but still a bit streaky at it.

[RC_Drunkford]

definitely not. Otherwise we'd still be stuck paying 20 mill for Zach Collins. We gave up next to nothing for him. As I said in another thread, Fox, Castle and Harper is our 3 guard rotation for the next 4 years. We don't need more guards, we should now be looking for 3-and-D forwards that can rebound. Extend Fox for 4 years and trade him in 4 years with a year left on his deal when we have to extend Harper. That way we can get some good players back and have no cap issues.

[Dejounte]

Butterfly effect??? If we didnt have Fox, we wouldnt have just the right amount of losses to land the #2 pick.

[K...]

YES ITS VERY UNFAIR TO CHRIS PAULS PERMANENT PG SPOT!

[Rosewood]

Didn’t give up that much. In a vacuum it was an incredible deal. With current circumstances it has only upside.

[baseline bum]

Nah CP3 and Evin are the odd men out. Hate to not bring Chris back after how much he did for the team but there will be no minutes for him and he's not gonna want to play as a deep bench reserve in the Wesley role.

[Joseph Kony]

Not at all. Spurs gave up dead weight and one of their own picks for Fox. If needed they can always ship him out to fill out the roster. All-star PG in hand >>>> theoretical pieces

[Chinook]

It didn't backfire. However, if we could guarantee Harper would still be a Spurs' pick, I don't think it's a stretch to say the Spurs would be in a very interesting position had it not happened.

They'd go into draft night with

2, 12, 14
SAS/ATL 2026
SAS27, ATL 27
SAS/BOS 2028
SAS29
SAS/DAL/MIN 2030
SAS/SAC 2031
SAS32

They could draft Harper and use their two mid-firsts and their multiple expirings to bring in vets, then use Vasselldon and some of those future picks to go star hunting.

I don't think Fox was as big of a steal as many Spurs fans are arguing. Yes, it was a fine enough trade given that it didn't cut into the quick. But the Spurs gave a lot more than many teams could. It was a comparable if not greater package than they got for DJM or that the Hawks got for him. With the new CBA limiting the number of max contracts a team can realistically have, teams have to see Fox as a top two guy on their roster to justify trading for him and paying him, even before getting into compensation. Just like with Markkanen, the new deal is going to cut his value a lot unless he takes less to preserve long-term flexibility. It's not a no-brainer that he'll have resale value in a couple of years that's worth more than what the Spurs paid to get him.

The worst part of the Fox trade is that it's causing folks to think a Giannis trade makes sense. If the Spurs had Wemby, Castle and Harper, the goal would have been trying to put guys around them to develop their growth and potentially bring in a star with those extra assets if things looked good. Now, with a 28-year-old Fox, a lot of people think the Spurs are on a timeline that requires them to make a big move. Wemby is coming off health scare and needs development, but it's overshadowed by them already having a second star who doesn't have many prime years left. Combine that with Wemby's desire to win-now, and one could think the Spurs are a Giannis away from legit contention.

With all that said, the trade didn't backfire. The Spurs should try to see what they have with their roster when Fox and Wemby get some time to grow together. The team still has some assets to try to put a team together around their core. But their margin for error is smaller now. They have to get the Fox/Castle/Harper fit right to really open up the team's chances. They have the assets to make another big move, but they can basically only afford the one. It has to be the finishing piece, or else they probably can't make it work until after Fox is off the team.

[Mikesatx]

Fox is going to be a great Spur.

[Dex]

No

[InRareForm]

How times change, Several years ago we were praying josh primo would be good , now we have 3 stud guards

[Dverde]

Maybe Spurs make a run again for Lauri instead of Fox with their assets in the offseason. I like Fox and no regrats, I would never expect us to get another top 4 pick.

[kht]

We got Fox insanely cheap... multiple seasons of 25 ppg... clutch moments in his short time with the Spurs with a bad hand at all.

[Mr. Body]

Definitely not. They got a really nice player for very, very little. It'll be a bit of a headache figuring out the parts, but it's a great kind of headache to have.

[CorrectCrusader]

It's hilarious that we have a surplus of elite guard talent and people think it's a backfire.
Talent is what wins in this league.

[Darkwaters]

If Spurs going to keep the #2 pick and get Harper....Fox seems to be the odd one out

No

[DPG21920]

Two of the biggest lessons from the playoffs are that you need many ballhandlers who can create for themselves and for others, and also that depth is incredibly valuable.

Fox, Castle and Harper can coexist and at the same time one of them could eventually be a centrepiece for a good trade down the line.

So no.

Well said - Spurs are in a much better position post trade with Fox (both on the court and just in terms of asset valuation)

[CorrectCrusader]

It didn't backfire. However, if we could guarantee Harper would still be a Spurs' pick, I don't think it's a stretch to say the Spurs would be in a very interesting position had it not happened.

They'd go into draft night with

2, 12, 14
SAS/ATL 2026
SAS27, ATL 27
SAS/BOS 2028
SAS29
SAS/DAL/MIN 2030
SAS/SAC 2031
SAS32

They could draft Harper and use their two mid-firsts and their multiple expirings to bring in vets, then use Vasselldon and some of those future picks to go star hunting.

I don't think Fox was as big of a steal as many Spurs fans are arguing. Yes, it was a fine enough trade given that it didn't cut into the quick. But the Spurs gave a lot more than many teams could. It was a comparable if not greater package than they got for DJM or that the Hawks got for him. With the new CBA limiting the number of max contracts a team can realistically have, teams have to see Fox as a top two guy on their roster to justify trading for him and paying him, even before getting into compensation. Just like with Markkanen, the new deal is going to cut his value a lot unless he takes less to preserve long-term flexibility. It's not a no-brainer that he'll have resale value in a couple of years that's worth more than what the Spurs paid to get him.

The worst part of the Fox trade is that it's causing folks to think a Giannis trade makes sense. If the Spurs had Wemby, Castle and Harper, the goal would have been trying to put guys around them to develop their growth and potentially bring in a star with those extra assets if things looked good. Now, with a 28-year-old Fox, a lot of people think the Spurs are on a timeline that requires them to make a big move. Wemby is coming off health scare and needs development, but it's overshadowed by them already having a second star who doesn't have many prime years left. Combine that with Wemby's desire to win-now, and one could think the Spurs are a Giannis away from legit contention.

With all that said, the trade didn't backfire. The Spurs should try to see what they have with their roster when Fox and Wemby get some time to grow together. The team still has some assets to try to put a team together around their core. But their margin for error is smaller now. They have to get the Fox/Castle/Harper fit right to really open up the team's chances. They have the assets to make another big move, but they can basically only afford the one. It has to be the finishing piece, or else they probably can't make it work until after Fox is off the team.


The 2, 12, 14 thing is assuming that everything goes identical had we not traded the chicago pick. We all know they wouldn't have conveyed had we not traded them the pick.

[Mal]

If Spurs going to keep the #2 pick and get Harper....Fox seems to be the odd one out

No. Harper is a prospect, and Spurs are in no position to wait for another high end prospect to pan out. They get all-star level player in Fox for close to nothing.

[twodeep]

I guess Keldon and Vassell and Champaigne will get push further down the bench

Bye bye to Makalai and Wesley.

Oh wait CP3's contract has ended correct?

Champaigne is a shooter what we need to do is unload Vassel and Keldon

[Kevin]

No. Spurs got Fox for about 30 cents on the dollar because Fox and Klutch tanked his value by demanding that he only be traded to the San Antonio.

A full price offer on the open market would have included Castle and one of the 25 or 27 ATL picks.

Seems like the FO just plans to get lucky and somehow it keeps working. In poker terms it doesn't matter what cards they're dealt the river bails them out for a Royal Flush (Wemby) and three full house's in row in Fox/Castle/Harper. Spurs could get 2/10 unsuited and turn that into a full house on the flop.

[rjv]

OKC is having success because of their depth while the Nuggets are running out of gas and you're asking whether or not we should have picked up Fox?

[DPG21920]

I dont value any players Spurs gave up tbh, but Spurs gave up pick 12 this year, SA 27 and MIN 31. It’s not nothing but it was still a very good deal especially factoring in Zach’s negative contract. But it was a good price and overall I think SA easily break evens if not profits.

[spurraider21]

Absolutely not. You got him at a discount! Really only gave up 2 1sts and some roster trash. The bulls would have tanked into the top 10 and the hornets pick was never going to convey.
no. we gave up the bulls first, which would have conveyed this year based on how things ended up, and if not, still had 2 more years of fairly likely conveyance

we gave up the spurs 27 pick, and the wolves 31 pick.

the fake pick we gave up was the hornets pick

[paperboy77]

We need some veteran leadership so Fox fills that role and there are 96 minutes for the guards so in theory 32 minutes for each of them. Harper is a rookie so he can come off the bench and whoever is hot finishes the game. Castle can play few minutes at the 3 if we want all of them at the same time.

I’m more concerned with the big, we need rebounding and some strength for big players.

Who's our 3 that you are guaranteeing starter minutes for? Vassell needs to got to the bench like yesterday... and like it.

[paperboy77]

If Spurs going to keep the #2 pick and get Harper....Fox seems to be the odd one out

You can't still be entertaining the thought of starting Devin or Champ right? Roll out Castle at the 3 full time. The two and the three have always been interchangeable historically... "position-wise". Just look at the Knicks. They roll out Brunson, Hart, and Bridges. 6/2, 6/4 and 6/6.

[spurraider21]

It didn't backfire. However, if we could guarantee Harper would still be a Spurs' pick, I don't think it's a stretch to say the Spurs would be in a very interesting position had it not happened.

They'd go into draft night with

2, 12, 14
SAS/ATL 2026
SAS27, ATL 27
SAS/BOS 2028
SAS29
SAS/DAL/MIN 2030
SAS/SAC 2031
SAS32

They could draft Harper and use their two mid-firsts and their multiple expirings to bring in vets, then use Vasselldon and some of those future picks to go star hunting.

I don't think Fox was as big of a steal as many Spurs fans are arguing. Yes, it was a fine enough trade given that it didn't cut into the quick. But the Spurs gave a lot more than many teams could. It was a comparable if not greater package than they got for DJM or that the Hawks got for him. With the new CBA limiting the number of max contracts a team can realistically have, teams have to see Fox as a top two guy on their roster to justify trading for him and paying him, even before getting into compensation. Just like with Markkanen, the new deal is going to cut his value a lot unless he takes less to preserve long-term flexibility. It's not a no-brainer that he'll have resale value in a couple of years that's worth more than what the Spurs paid to get him.

The worst part of the Fox trade is that it's causing folks to think a Giannis trade makes sense. If the Spurs had Wemby, Castle and Harper, the goal would have been trying to put guys around them to develop their growth and potentially bring in a star with those extra assets if things looked good. Now, with a 28-year-old Fox, a lot of people think the Spurs are on a timeline that requires them to make a big move. Wemby is coming off health scare and needs development, but it's overshadowed by them already having a second star who doesn't have many prime years left. Combine that with Wemby's desire to win-now, and one could think the Spurs are a Giannis away from legit contention.

With all that said, the trade didn't backfire. The Spurs should try to see what they have with their roster when Fox and Wemby get some time to grow together. The team still has some assets to try to put a team together around their core. But their margin for error is smaller now. They have to get the Fox/Castle/Harper fit right to really open up the team's chances. They have the assets to make another big move, but they can basically only afford the one. It has to be the finishing piece, or else they probably can't make it work until after Fox is off the team.
i guess the question would be, had the spurs not made the fox trade and the situation is exactly as you have set forth above, and on the day before the draft the Kings approached the spurs with the same Fox trade (i know Tre Jones expired, but lets just put that aside for the uprpose of iscussion)... would the spurs trade for Fox knowing they have #2?

its an unfair question since the spurs seemed like they wanted to make a play-in push this season with Fox and a (then) healty wemby, and this scenario excludes that

[Kevin]

Its crazy that the Spurs got a top 25ish player at age 27 for a bundle of mostly junk assets.

Zollins: bad contract. Junk

Tre Jones: half season rental of Tre is worth a second rounder three years in the future. Mostly junk

Hornets pick: never conveying as a first but its turned into second rounders. Mostly junk.

Bulls pick: doesn't convey this year if the Spurs hold on to it. Might convey in future years. Jury is out.

2027 Spurs first round pick: a pick three years from now that figures to be in the 25-30 range. Mostly junk barring something catastrophic for the Spurs.

2031 T-Wolves pick: a first round pick seven years from now. It's a lotto ticket. You might hit the mega million dollar jackpot but you shouldn't count on it.

[LeBowen]

You can't still be entertaining the thought of starting Devin or Champ right? Roll out Castle at the 3 full time. The two and the three have always been interchangeable historically... "position-wise". Just look at the Knicks. They roll out Brunson, Hart, and Bridges. 6/2, 6/4 and 6/6.

We don't need to shove everyone into the starting lineup for the sake of egos, there are 96 guard minutes available and Fox/Castle/Harper should all get 30+. Whoever is doing better on that given night closes the game out, simple.
Devin can't start anymore, he's had his chances.
Barnes has to start because he's our by far the best shooter, but is undersized at PF.
We need to get a legit 6'9-6'11 PF who's going to help Wemby on the glass because that was our biggest issue this season.

[Arguendo]

If Spurs going to keep the #2 pick and get Harper....Fox seems to be the odd one out
Not backfired for Spurs...we got him for great value. He'll likely be very important for us to mature into a playoff team and hopefully contender over the next 3 years.
Prolly backfired for him, Castle developed sooner than anticipated then the lottery gifted us a Castle-sized, Cade-comp'ed primary ball handler who grew up the son of a 5x i 6 yrs Champ hearing stories about MJ/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe/Phil. And Vassell is locked in for like 4 more years and prolly hard to move.

Good news is 3 of Fox, Castle, Harper, & Vassell can work the court, very nice rotation, but for Spurs LT Castle and Harper need primary handler reps and Fox loses most of his value off ball. But Wemby/Castle/Harper should be our focus moving forward, unless we can swing a Giannis level trade.
For the next 2-3yrs, its a good problem to have. Hopefully Fox comes in, acknowledges playing in SA/TX saves him 8% compared to playing in Cali, and offers to take a cut instead of a Max to play for a contender in the back-half of his career.

[Pauleta14]

I don’t really see how it backfired. Fox is an all star level player. Castle and Harper could at some point both become that but they aren’t ready for it now. Only by having Fox in this guard trio do we have any shot of making the playoffs this year. Any playoff experience for the young kids is extremely important.

Also Fox can pick up the scoring load for non-Wemby games. Castle and Harper can’t do that yet. It’s the non-Wemby games that are going to determine whether or not we make the playoffs. And Fox’s extension will end right when Harper’s contract extension begins. So nothing really to regret

To me it's the real issue, he's not a max extension player and if you add it to Wemby's it already handicaps the roster building a lot.

My hope is a friendly extension but with Klutch representing him...

[Chinook]

i guess the question would be, had the spurs not made the fox trade and the situation is exactly as you have set forth above, and on the day before the draft the Kings approached the spurs with the same Fox trade (i know Tre Jones expired, but lets just put that aside for the uprpose of iscussion)... would the spurs trade for Fox knowing they have #2?

its an unfair question since the spurs seemed like they wanted to make a play-in push this season with Fox and a (then) healty wemby, and this scenario excludes that

Something we haven't talked about is how strongly Castle finished the season versus what he was doing in the first half. I think between him winning ROY and them getting the top PG prospect in years falling in their lap that they'd decline.

But you're right that part of Fox's value was the partial year and a chance to make a playoff push. That's why the trade was good at the time, though I guess with the injury you could call the lost season a backfire.

[Arguendo]

The 2, 12, 14 thing is assuming that everything goes identical had we not traded the chicago pick. We all know they wouldn't have conveyed had we not traded them the pick.
Yeah, Bulls were 21-29 before the Levine trade with Zach running the show while having his best year. They went 18-14 with Giddey running the show. They weren't tanking, a Zach Levine lead team just cant win. If they didn't move off Levine that pick is definitely in the top 10 and likely in the top 8 next yr too if they kept Zach.

[Mugen]

Fox is gonna be critical to making a playoff push next season. You're not getting to the playoffs with a rookie Harper being your starting PG, no matter how highly touted is.

There's a multitude of reasons why the Fox trade was still a no brainer. But Spurs need to make the playoffs next year and Fox will help tremendously towards that goal tbh.

[John B]

Why? It didn’t cost much to acquire Fox. I’d love that 3-guard offense, tailor suited for Wemby. All they need is a defensive stretch like Fleming.

[Arguendo]

To me it's the real issue, he's not a max extension player and if you add it to Wemby's it already handicaps the roster building a lot.

My hope is a friendly extension but with Klutch representing him...
I've run the numbers before and for context you pay income taxes where the money is earned/ie where games are played.
IIRC, playing for a TX or FL teams saves you 7.8% net in state income taxes. Hopefully Fox comes to the table with that in mind, having wanted to come here and play with Wemby and takes a 7.5% haircut and views it as coming out ahead while getting to be where he wanted to go. Unfortunately, thats not how agents work.

But yeah, he shouldn't be a Max guy in an apron era. I'd give him a 2-yr max with 3/4 team options, no 3/4 yr guarantee or POs unless he takes a significant cut or ideally a declining deal.

[John B]

Fox is gonna be critical to making a playoff push next season. You're not getting to the playoffs with a rookie Harper being your starting PG, no matter how highly touted is.

There's a multitude of reasons why the Fox trade was still a no brainer. But Spurs need to make the playoffs next year and Fox will help tremendously towards that goal tbh.

Yup Fox is clutch and not really the Tatum-hero-ball type.

[Arguendo]

Fox is gonna be critical to making a playoff push next season. You're not getting to the playoffs with a rookie Harper being your starting PG, no matter how highly touted is.

There's a multitude of reasons why the Fox trade was still a no brainer. But Spurs need to make the playoffs next year and Fox will help tremendously towards that goal tbh.
100%. Fox is very important for the maturation into a playoff team and hopefully contender, at least for the next couple of seasons. Castle and Harper aren't ready to carry that load and putting it on them could ruin them. A 28y/o Fox doesn't have a ton of years left, but he's got 2/3 good ones in him which is perfect for our developmental timeline.

[Arguendo]

If the Spurs had somehow known they would get the #2 pick back then maybe they wouldn't have traded for Fox. But it was a great deal at the time, and having too much talent is the kind of "problem" the Spurs have needed for a while.
I think with perfect hindsight they still make that trade. Spurs fans overrate Fox is a lil, he's likely to be a top 30-35 guy next year and maybe 1 or 2 yrs more, not a top 20 guy he was 2 years ago he's more likely than not topped and will retire with 1AS and 1 NBA3...but he's was still great value.

But I don't think the Spurs get any other top 40 players for:
Fake Cha 1st= 26' and 27' seconds, Top-10/8/8 Protected Chi 1st, SA 27' first expected to be in the mid-20s, and Minny's wildcard '31 1st + a Den 2nd, Zollins, and Tre. On paper that looks like a lot, but really is one mid-late lottery 1st, a end of the 1st, 2 good 2nds + a bad 2nd, and hope Ant gets tired of Minny lotto ticket, a please get this guy off my team Zollins, and a quality backup PG who was taking developmental minutes from Castle. It wasn't a steal and thats a lot of pieces, but no high value pieces except maybe the '31 but that's a 6 yr out coin flip for a guy thats a ready made #2 to kickstart the timeline.

[CGD]

The Spurs are looking to make a playoff push next year, so they’re theoretically exiting the full rebuild mode. I think it’s perfectly fine to bring Harper along slowly off the bench this season, and then take stock of what you have with Fox. There is no rule that he must start bc he’s the 2nd pick. And hey, if he pushes Fox or Castle, that’ll be a “good” problem to have in a year.

[kobyz]

If not trading for greek freek absolutely should trade Fox as it will hinder the promise Harper-Castle backcourt

[hoopdreams11]

no in the coulibaly interview he said the hardest person to guard was D Fox. Give it time

[hoopdreams11]

P J Washington probably available for trade now

[jeebus]

/r/nbaspurs is leaking

[poopbox]

Fans of team who has won nothing in 5 years says trading for an all nba caliber guard might be a mistake cause they got the number 2 pick in the draft :lol

[dbestpro]

There is no reason Fox, Castle, and Harper cannot be on the court at the same time. We must get back to passing from a good to a great shot. The key is, who do you trade to play PF/C?

[SpursFan86]

You people are fucking ridiculous :lol Harper is a great prospect and I’m thrilled we lucked into the #2 pick…but acting like we should kick an already-proven all-star level player like Fox to the curb before we’ve even seen Harper play a game is absurd.

It’s not hard to imagine a scenario where Harper doesn’t ever become the caliber of player Fox is. But because Harper is the new shiny toy we’re upset Fox is in the way and we should ship him off? :lol

This isn’t an anti-Harper post. Again I’m pumped to be in this situation and absolutely think we should take him despite the fit concerns. But let’s pump the brakes a bit. Maybe we should trade Wemby to free up some more touches while we’re at it.

[Obstructed_View]

No, it's a great trade. You got a guy who asked to be here, who is being surrounded with high-character talent. Guys who want to win. Sell Fox on a Jamaal Crawford role where he has a green light every night, mix in some small lineups to fuck up defenses, and then determine closing lineups by guys who show up.

[Ice009]

One aspect I love about having Fox is his speed, and having both Castle and Harper having to learn to guard and play defense against him in practice. I am hoping this helps them improve their individual defense, and that it translates to them being able to guard almost every other guard in the league better because of it.

[Obstructed_View]

Remember, guys: The Portland Trailblazers picked Sam Bowie because they didn't want Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler on the same team.

[Ice009]

Remember, guys: The Portland Trailblazers picked Sam Bowie because they didn't want Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler on the same team.

I wanted to bring that up a while ago, but didn't think I should bring up a name like Michael Jordan. I was also going to mention Carmelo and Darko.

When the player is a tier above, you just gotta take the best player. You just have to.

[Obstructed_View]

I wanted to bring that up a while ago, but didn't think I should bring up a name like Michael Jordan. I was also going to mention Carmelo and Darko.

When the player is a tier above, you just gotta take the best player. You just have to.
Nobody knew Jordan was gonna be Jordan, but 75 percent of Jordan with that Blazers lineup owns the western conference for a while.

[Bruno]

There is a little CBA thingy that will be interesting regarding Fox this summer.

Logical expectation is that Fox signs a max extension of $229M/4 years with Spurs this summer. He will be eligible to sign it on August 3rd. Once signed, he can't be traded for 6 months and the 2026 trade deadline is on February 5th.

So there 2 scenarios:
- Fox signs his extension between August 3rd and 5th: he can be traded at the 2026 trade deadline.
- Fox signs his extension after August 5th: he can't be traded before the end of the 2025-2026 season.

It will be interesting to see when Fox will sign his extension. Will Spurs/Fox leave the door open for the 2026 trade deadline move in case it doesn't go well?

[Bruno]

BTW, a little what if question:

What if Rockets offer Spurs a trade package for Fox kinda similar to what Spurs gave to Kings. Let's say Rockets offer Jabari Smith/Tari Eason and 2/3 picks for Fox. Do you do this trade?

[Baam]

They won't, no one is trying to get him.

[exstatic]

I think with perfect hindsight they still make that trade. Spurs fans overrate Fox is a lil, he's likely to be a top 30-35 guy next year and maybe 1 or 2 yrs more, not a top 20 guy he was 2 years ago he's more likely than not topped and will retire with 1AS and 1 NBA3...but he's was still great value.

But I don't think the Spurs get any other top 40 players for:
Fake Cha 1st= 26' and 27' seconds, Top-10/8/8 Protected Chi 1st, SA 27' first expected to be in the mid-20s, and Minny's wildcard '31 1st + a Den 2nd, Zollins, and Tre. On paper that looks like a lot, but really is one mid-late lottery 1st, a end of the 1st, 2 good 2nds + a bad 2nd, and hope Ant gets tired of Minny lotto ticket, a please get this guy off my team Zollins, and a quality backup PG who was taking developmental minutes from Castle. It wasn't a steal and thats a lot of pieces, but no high value pieces except maybe the '31 but that's a 6 yr out coin flip for a guy thats a ready made #2 to kickstart the timeline.

Playing off Wemby, there’s a very good chance that in the next 2-3 years, he makes his second All NBA team.

[RC_Drunkford]

There is a little CBA thingy that will be interesting regarding Fox this summer.

Logical expectation is that Fox signs a max extension of $229M/4 years with Spurs this summer. He will be eligible to sign it on August 3rd. Once signed, he can't be traded for 6 months and the 2026 trade deadline is on February 5th.

So there 2 scenarios:
- Fox signs his extension between August 3rd and 5th: he can be traded at the 2026 trade deadline.
- Fox signs his extension after August 5th: he can't be traded before the end of the 2025-2026 season.

It will be interesting to see when Fox will sign his extension. Will Spurs/Fox leave the door open for the 2026 trade deadline move in case it doesn't go well?


Spurs ain't even thinking about trading Fox. The earliest they gonna trade him is in 3 years and most likely 4. There are enough minutes available for all 3 of our guards.

[scott]

There is a little CBA thingy that will be interesting regarding Fox this summer.

Logical expectation is that Fox signs a max extension of $229M/4 years with Spurs this summer. He will be eligible to sign it on August 3rd. Once signed, he can't be traded for 6 months and the 2026 trade deadline is on February 5th.

So there 2 scenarios:
- Fox signs his extension between August 3rd and 5th: he can be traded at the 2026 trade deadline.
- Fox signs his extension after August 5th: he can't be traded before the end of the 2025-2026 season.

It will be interesting to see when Fox will sign his extension. Will Spurs/Fox leave the door open for the 2026 trade deadline move in case it doesn't go well?

Fox could be a sneaky candidate for a 2+1 if he wants to bet on himself and thinks he can get more as a 10 year vet or do another 30% max after a few years of the cap rising.

I think maybe more likely he splits the baby and does a 3+1. I also think there is an outside possibility that he sights for slightly less than the max. Maybe a 28% deal. I wouldn’t call it likely, but I do think there is a greater than zero possibility of this that the Spurs worked out with his agent prior to the trade.

Great call out on the resigning window, very similar to what Lauri did last summer. Fox will probably want to wait until after 8/5 to sign the extension whereas the Spurs might favor him signing prior.