Real Talk: How big is the gap between Flagg and Harper?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I watched a decent amount of Flagg, but hardly any Harper. I know before the end of last year there was some flip flopping between Flagg and Harper for the top spot. But people who have seen both, is it a pretty fair jump with Flagg over Harper?

[mo7888]

I watched a decent amount of Flagg, but hardly any Harper. I know before the end of last year there was some flip flopping between Flagg and Harper for the top spot. But people who have seen both, is it a pretty fair jump with Flagg over Harper?

There's a very big gap

[Dejounte]

Why did you make another thread on the same exact topic

[spurraider21]

how big was the gap between Anthony Davis the prospect and Cade Cunningham the prospect

[4lifecowboy]

There's a very big gap

No there isn't. Harper is closer to being on Flaggs' level, than the next prospect is to being on Harper's level. If we don't trade for Giannis it is a no brainer.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

The gap is:

Flagg = Harper + Atl pick-27 + Dallas Pick - 2030.

If we want to get Flagg, I think we can get him.

Harper will definitely be a star, just like Cooper

[mo7888]

No there isn't. Harper is closer to being on Flaggs' level, than the next prospect is to being on Harper's level. If we don't trade for Giannis it is a no brainer.

Drafting Harper at #2 is a no brainer, but the gap between he and Flagg is bigger than the gap between Harper and Edgecombe.

[Ice009]

How did you start the exact same thread 5 hours later? Did you completely forget about your other thread? WTF.

[baseline bum]

The gap is:

Flagg = Harper + Atl pick-27 + Dallas Pick - 2030.

If we want to get Flagg, I think we can get him.

Harper will definitely be a star, just like Cooper

Dallas is laughing their asses off and hanging up the phone. That 2030 swap is no longer a big deal so Harper and the ATL 27 gets you nowhere close to landing Flagg.

[SpursGenius]

There's a very big gap
Wrong.

[Joseph Kony]

bigger than the gap between this thread and the last one you started OP

[SpursGenius]

Drafting Harper at #2 is a no brainer, but the gap between he and Flagg is bigger than the gap between Harper and Edgecombe.
Wrong

[mo7888]

Wrong

Surething... lol

[spurraider21]

Dallas is laughing their asses off and hanging up the phone. That 2030 swap is no longer a big deal so Harper and the ATL 27 gets you nowhere close to landing Flagg.
damn i forgot about the ramifications of the Mavs winning the lotto with respect to the 2030 swap. before the Luka deal, i wasnt that bullish on the swap. but after... it seemed like a golden ticket. but now while they are still going to have a lot of long term questions, Flagg could single handedly crater the value of that swap. then again we also have a swap option with the Wolves that same year.

[baseline bum]

damn i forgot about the ramifications of the Mavs winning the lotto with respect to the 2030 swap. before the Luka deal, i wasnt that bullish on the swap. but after... it seemed like a golden ticket. but now while they are still going to have a lot of long term questions, Flagg could single handedly crater the value of that swap. then again we also have a swap option with the Wolves that same year.

Oh well, I'll happily lose that swap's value to go from hoping Kon slides to being able to draft maybe the next Cade.

[SpursGenius]

You bitches will be slobbering my cock in a few years when you see Harper better than Flagg. Flagg is great and is a generational player given his athletic numbers are better than your usual white guy. But ask your self this is there another comp to Flagg in 200 years of basketball. ? Is Flagg Larry bird with better athletic ability ? Is he Gordon Hayward with better athletic ability and length.

he doesn’t have Birds court sense. Sure he is a better athlete with more length. Not as great a shooter. Yes better defender. He is better than Gordon Hayward on all levels. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Flagg be a 23 pg 8 rpg 5 assists per game career guy. Is that a super star hall of famer ? No. He maybe more Andrew Wiggins as a number 1 pick than a Larry Bird. Could he be the generational player that Dirk ? Doubt it. He doesn’t have dirks length and intangibles.

[LeBowen]

Oh well, I'll happily lose that swap's value to go from hoping Kon slides to being able to draft maybe the next Cade.

Mavs surely still value that swap because it's always worth more to the original team. Not worth much if we trade it somewhere else.
If we can't find a better PF, I'd try to get PJ Washington with that swap. Assuming he'd accept an extension in similar price range.

[baseline bum]

damn i forgot about the ramifications of the Mavs winning the lotto with respect to the 2030 swap. before the Luka deal, i wasnt that bullish on the swap. but after... it seemed like a golden ticket. but now while they are still going to have a lot of long term questions, Flagg could single handedly crater the value of that swap. then again we also have a swap option with the Wolves that same year.

Damn just realized Tatum's achilles tear last night makes the 2028 top 1 protected swap with Boston actually look like it could be a half decent asset.

[exstatic]

damn i forgot about the ramifications of the Mavs winning the lotto with respect to the 2030 swap. before the Luka deal, i wasnt that bullish on the swap. but after... it seemed like a golden ticket. but now while they are still going to have a lot of long term questions, Flagg could single handedly crater the value of that swap. then again we also have a swap option with the Wolves that same year.

The swap is 5 years from this summer. Recap: in the last 5 years, the Mavs have traded Porzingas FOR NOTHING. let Brunson walk FOR NOTHING, and traded Luka for pennies on the dollar. Not that worried about the swap, tbh.

[cd98]

The swap is 5 years from this summer. Recap: in the last 5 years, the Mavs have traded Porzingas FOR NOTHING. let Brunson walk FOR NOTHING, and traded Luka for pennies on the dollar. Not that worried about the swap, tbh.

The question is can the Mavs adequately build around Flagg in the next 5 years. Not sure the Laker pick will be that good considering the Lakers now have Luka and they build around stars much easier than Dallas. Also, we could say that the Mavs did a mediocre job of building around Luka. Is Flagg better than Luka? Is Flagg going to be better than Anthony Davis? Mavs front office has made several bumbling moves and lucked into Flagg. It is entirely possible that they are a lottery team in 5 years even with Flagg on the team and even if Flagg is awesome. Kobe was in the lottery, so same could be true for Flagg.

[cd98]

Damn just realized Tatum's achilles tear last night makes the 2028 top 1 protected swap with Boston actually look like it could be a half decent asset.

Not just the achilles tear...Celtics have to make moves to get under the apron and that will involve gutting their team and possibly trying to trade Brown. They may be going rebuilt as soon as next year.

[BackHome]

So Flagg Plays PF and Davis also plays PF and definitely does not want to play Center let’s see how this plays out.

[SpursGenius]

damn i forgot about the ramifications of the Mavs winning the lotto with respect to the 2030 swap. before the Luka deal, i wasnt that bullish on the swap. but after... it seemed like a golden ticket. but now while they are still going to have a lot of long term questions, Flagg could single handedly crater the value of that swap. then again we also have a swap option with the Wolves that same year.

no. Get a brain. Kyrie and AD will be in a nursing home in 2029. Flagg won’t be much by himself with no help. If you didn’t see the concern on his face after mavs getting number 1 pick than I can’t help you.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

How did you start the exact same thread 5 hours later? Did you completely forget about your other thread? WTF.

Wow, no idea how that happened! I definitely did not post it twice, absolutely something wonky with the servers here

[PopTheGOAT]

You bitches will be slobbering my cock in a few years when you see Harper better than Flagg. Flagg is great and is a generational player given his athletic numbers are better than your usual white guy. But ask your self this is there another comp to Flagg in 200 years of basketball. ? Is Flagg Larry bird with better athletic ability ? Is he Gordon Hayward with better athletic ability and length.

he doesn’t have Birds court sense. Sure he is a better athlete with more length. Not as great a shooter. Yes better defender. He is better than Gordon Hayward on all levels. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Flagg be a 23 pg 8 rpg 5 assists per game career guy. Is that a super star hall of famer ? No. He maybe more Andrew Wiggins as a number 1 pick than a Larry Bird. Could he be the generational player that Dirk ? Doubt it. He doesn’t have dirks length and intangibles.
Drugs

[spurs1990]

If this is like 1993 where Dallas prefers a better fit they can offer 1st to San Antonio for multiple picks. But based on Flagg’s hype it’s akin to 1992 and you don’t pass up on a name.

Orlando made the right move both years. Flagg and Wembanyama would’ve made San Antonio must watch for several years. So frustratingly close to have had that happen last night.

[scott]

Wow, no idea how that happened! I definitely did not post it twice, absolutely something wonky with the servers here

Bruh, the threads don't even have the same title or text body in the first post. It's not a server error, you definitely posted it twice :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Bruh, the threads don't even have the same title or text body in the first post. It's not a server error, you definitely posted it twice :lol

Dude, I just saw that wtf :lol

I legit don’t remember the other thread, my bad,
Hopefully mods can delete it :toast

[dn0774]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Harper turn out to be the more potent offensive player between the two. That said, the gap exists because Cooper is a true 2 way prospect who projects to be elite or near elite on both ends of the floor. I also think there is a sizable gap between Harper and everyone else in the draft not named Flagg.

[scott]

Dude, I just saw that wtf :lol

I legit don’t remember the other thread, my bad,
Hopefully mods can delete it :toast

It's all good. Last night was very exciting... stuff happens!

[John B]

The gap is:

Flagg = Harper + Atl pick-27 + Dallas Pick - 2030.

If we want to get Flagg, I think we can get him.

Harper will definitely be a star, just like Cooper

I doubt it. But if that’s all it takes, sign me in. Both ATL 2027 and DAL 2030 picks would not be lottery.

[scott]

I don't think Dallas will budge... but let's be real here... what is the most you'd be willing to give up to go from #2 to #1? Not the minimum of what you think DAL would accept, but the most you'd be willing to give?

I'm doing #2, ATL27 + DAL30(s) in a heartbeat... but what about:

#2 + Castle?

#2 + #14 + ATL27 + SA29 + DAL30(s)?

#2 + SA28 (with BOS swap attached) + SA30 (with DAL and MIN swaps attached)?

[stnick2261]

I don't think Dallas will budge... but let's be real here... what is the most you'd be willing to give up to go from #2 to #1? Not the minimum of what you think DAL would accept, but the most you'd be willing to give?

I'm doing #2, ATL27 + DAL30(s) in a heartbeat... but what about:

#2 + Castle?

#2 + #14 + ATL27 + SA29 + DAL30(s)?

#2 + SA28 (with BOS swap attached) + SA30 (with DAL and MIN swaps attached)?

No
Yes
Yes

I think a swap of picks #1 & #2 make sense from a fit perspective for both teams. I think Castle is better than those other picks.

[dn0774]

I don't think Dallas will budge... but let's be real here... what is the most you'd be willing to give up to go from #2 to #1? Not the minimum of what you think DAL would accept, but the most you'd be willing to give?

I'm doing #2, ATL27 + DAL30(s) in a heartbeat... but what about:

#2 + Castle?

#2 + #14 + ATL27 + SA29 + DAL30(s)?

#2 + SA28 (with BOS swap attached) + SA30 (with DAL and MIN swaps attached)?

Wouldn't attach Castle in any way. Mostly because I can't do another year of Vassell being a featured guy.

[scott]

No
Yes
Yes

I think a swap of picks #1 & #2 make sense from a fit perspective for both teams. I think Castle is better than those other picks.

#2 + Castle is right on the borderline for me. I'm a slight lean towards no, but it's close and I think it's about what would be required to actually move up to #1.

The ones that are all picks I'm probably a yes on, though the second one I threw out is a lot of picks. The Trae/Luka deal only cost DAL a single Top-5 FRP. I don't recall the perceived gap between Luka and Trae entering that draft.

[K...]

I think op was definitely hoping someone would post:
Bend over, i'll show you a gap, that he posted twice and will continue until someone does post that

[Seventyniner]

#2 + Castle is right on the borderline for me. I'm a slight lean towards no, but it's close and I think it's about what would be required to actually move up to #1.

The ones that are all picks I'm probably a yes on, though the second one I threw out is a lot of picks. The Trae/Luka deal only cost DAL a single Top-5 FRP. I don't recall the perceived gap between Luka and Trae entering that draft.

Didn't Philly moving from #3 to #1 in the Fultz/Tatum draft also only cost them one extra pick?

Flagg's perceived value is obviously high, but I don't think he's worth 3 firsts plus #2. I would do #2 + #14 + SA30 (undoing the DAL swap).