Future Spur: Cooper Flagg

[Mr. Body]

I'm a bit bored, but wanted to register the crazily non-zero percent chance Nico Harrison turns in a card to Adam Silver saying the Mavericks are taking Dylan Harper number one.

[Limguogolo]

Not until The Decision Part II.

[Ice009]

As I mentioned, if they wanted Dylan Harper, wouldn't they at least try and fleece the Spurs into trading for the pick? It would then be up to the Spurs to call the bluff. It could get really complicated if the Mavs actually wanted Harper at number 1.

[exstatic]

As I mentioned, if they wanted Dylan Harper, wouldn't they at least try and fleece the Spurs into trading for the pick? It would then be up to the Spurs to call the bluff. It could get really complicated if the Mavs actually wanted Harper at number 1.

I think the Spurs like Harper enough to not get fleeced. If Dallas wants Harper, they really can’t trade below us, because we’ll just pick Harper at 2, leaving Dallas with no Flagg and no Harper.

[Poolboy5623]

About as much of a chance as the Spurs not drafting Wemby two years ago..

[Ice009]

I think the Spurs like Harper enough to not get fleeced. If Dallas wants Harper, they really can’t trade below us, because we’ll just pick Harper at 2, leaving Dallas with no Flagg and no Harper.

What I'm saying is, if Dallas really wants Harper (like really wants him over Cooper, which I don't think is the case), they can pick him number 1, but then the Spurs get Cooper for free at number two, so if I'm Dallas, I'm trying to trade that pick to the Spurs and get something extra out of the Spurs. If you're the Spurs and want Flagg, you have to call the bluff because then Dallas can just turn around and change their mind and take Flagg anyway, so then the Spurs miss out on Flagg (this is if Dallas are about 50/50 on the two and would go with Harper if the Spurs added something to it).

I also think it's more likely that Dallas might want Giannis over Flagg or Harper, but that is just me going off of Nico's wanting to win now philosophy after he traded Luka for Anthony Davis (trying to shore up the defense). He may have changed his mind on that strategy after winning the number 1 pick, though.

[mo7888]

What I'm saying is, if Dallas really wants Harper (like really wants him over Cooper, which I don't think is the case), they can pick him number 1, but then the Spurs get Cooper for free at number two, so if I'm Dallas, I'm trying to trade that pick to the Spurs and get something extra out of the Spurs. If you're the Spurs and want Flagg, you have to call the bluff because then Dallas can just turn around and change their mind and take Flagg anyway, so then the Spurs miss out on Flagg.

If Dallas even makes that call then we absolutely know they prefer Harper. Would we throw in some small asset to help the deal? Maybe, but it wouldn't be much because we know who they want.

[Knoxxx]

Vassell + 2 for the 1 pick!

[scottspurs]

Manifesting! Not happening but like you said non 0% chance and I like it. If the mavs call I’m telling them they can have their pick swap back for the 1st pick. If that’s not enough they can go F themselves and draft Harper #1 if they want him that bad.

[cd98]

I'm good with Harper. I think that skill set does well in the playoffs.

[Limguogolo]

The Mavs seem to want to win right away (one or two years). Winning the first pick is quite unexpected for them, but also rather upsetting for their first pick ("not me, not me!"), whatever it may be.

Neither Flagg nor Harper nor anyone else would want to be drafted so high to end up having the same role as Risacher this year in Atlanta. Especially regarding Flagg who everyone promises to be a future franchise player. Flagg can certainly push for a deal to be made, but Dallas may just as well feel that having Flagg come off the bench or play 25 minutes as a third or fourth option on a team expected to play for the title, and therefore have no interest in trading anything.

Unless something could be possible in a three-way trade to acquire Giannis for them. But is this even possible? And would the Spurs benefit from Flagg then? Very unlikely, especially in the same division. Still, everyone has an interest in studying this...

Strange and unexpected things can still happen... You never know... Like seeing Jordan Poole arriving in Dallas and Washington picking up Flagg... The Spurs, um...

[exstatic]

What I'm saying is, if Dallas really wants Harper (like really wants him over Cooper, which I don't think is the case), they can pick him number 1, but then the Spurs get Cooper for free at number two, so if I'm Dallas, I'm trying to trade that pick to the Spurs and get something extra out of the Spurs. If you're the Spurs and want Flagg, you have to call the bluff because then Dallas can just turn around and change their mind and take Flagg anyway, so then the Spurs miss out on Flagg (this is if Dallas are about 50/50 on the two and would go with Harper if the Spurs added something to it).

I also think it's more likely that Dallas might want Giannis over Flagg or Harper, but that is just me going off of Nico's wanting to win now philosophy after he traded Luka for Anthony Davis (trying to shore up the defense). He may have changed his mind on that strategy after winning the number 1 pick, though.

Dallas would have to call us, and doing so tips their hand.

If Dallas does this, we’ve lost nothing, since that’s our current position. If Dallas really wants Harper, this would be dumb, because we’d end up with him.

[Brazil]

About as much of a chance as the Spurs not drafting Wemby two years ago..

pretty much

[John B]

I think the Spurs would be thrilled to draft Harper with the 3-guard offense fitting Wemby’s game well. But they won’t refuse a generational talent like Flagg if the opportunity presents itself. Somebody suggested to include Vassell + #2 but not much more because they would know Mavs prefer Harper over Flagg for better fit.

[spursparker9]

Harper's ceiling might be higher than Flagg tbh.

Flagg might be overhype due to him being a white american. The golden boy "made in USA". Media is not happy with the international players (Jokic, Giannis, Wemby, SGA) being the face of the nba

[BatManu20]

It's a shame the NBA wanted to reward Dallas for the Luka ordeal. Flagg would've been a seamless and much-needed fit on this current roster. He, Wemby, Castle, and Fox would've been a great core for years to come. What could've been tbh. For shame.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GogOBC-XsAA-czJ?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ice009]

If Dallas even makes that call then we absolutely know they prefer Harper. Would we throw in some small asset to help the deal? Maybe, but it wouldn't be much because we know who they want.

I edited my post just after posting. A call could still mean they're 50/50 between the two and it might take the Spurs adding something to sway them over to Harper. This is what I am getting at. If the Spurs really wanted Flagg and Dallas is 50/50, it might take the Spurs giving up something for Dallas to pass on Cooper and go for Harper.

For example, Dallas might be happier to take Harper + something extra if the Spurs added something (pick, pick swap back, player/s), if not, they just take Flagg instead if they don't get anything extra by taking Harper.

[Chomag]

Part of me thinks that Harper is going to be the better player in the long run but both got what it takes to become franchise type players

[Death In June]

2, 14 and the ‘27 Atlanta pick for #1

[OldMan88]

This thread is a little short of any semblance of reality. Dallas will pick whoever they want with #1. That’s it. The only thing that could remotely impact the decision is if Nico is under ownership pressure to take Flagg, but Nico wants someone else and needs additional assets to sell his choice to ownership without getting canned.

[John B]

It's a shame the NBA wanted to reward Dallas for the Luka ordeal. Flagg would've been a seamless and much-needed fit on this current roster. He, Wemby, Castle, and Fox would've been a great core for years to come. What could've been tbh. For shame.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GogOBC-XsAA-czJ?format=jpg&name=medium

I wouldn’t complain as much. I think the Spurs was also beneficiary of the NBA rigged system, deciding to place the future face of the NBA Wemby to the Spurs as the best organization who will be patient and diligent, and not mishandle his development.

[John B]

If Mavs contact the Spurs for a possible swap, it’s a tell not to overpay.

[exstatic]

If Mavs contact the Spurs for a possible swap, it’s a tell not to overpay.

This. They’re literally showing their hand to us.

[spurraider21]

It's a shame the NBA wanted to reward Dallas for the Luka ordeal. Flagg would've been a seamless and much-needed fit on this current roster. He, Wemby, Castle, and Fox would've been a great core for years to come. What could've been tbh. For shame.
cant believe the NBA tore Kyrie's ACL to facilitate this

[TekXX]

No Harper won't be better than Flagg, and Dallas doesn't want Harper.

[BatManu20]

I wouldn’t complain as much. I think the Spurs was also beneficiary of the NBA rigged system, deciding to place the future face of the NBA Wemby to the Spurs as the best organization who will be patient and diligent, and not mishandle his development.

Oh 100%. I'm not complaining tbh. We're very fortunate that the NBA sees us as one of their elite franchises as well. Moving to #2 in a draft where there's a clear-cut #2 prospect is cake. I was merely stating the obvious that Wemby and Flagg would've fed families for years to come (assuming this guys stay healthy).

[BatManu20]

cant believe the NBA tore Kyrie's ACL to facilitate this

I used to be a reasonable man. I thought there was no way the NBA could possibly rig something as public as draft lotteries (despite the frozen envelope being highly likely). I'm much more skeptical these days. There's simply too many "miraculous" draft lottery happenings over the past 2 decades for me to believe that it's all chance. I'm not sure how they're doing it, but it happening over and over to very specific teams suggests it isn't all just some 1 in a million coincidence tbh.

[couchman]

Never gonna happen. Dallas would only give up this pick in exchange for a top 5 player in the league and even then it seems unlikely.
Even Nico can see that Flagg is the far and away best prospect in this draft.

[Ice009]

No Harper won't be better than Flagg, and Dallas doesn't want Harper.

Who was in charge when they let Jalen Brunson go? Was it Nico? I wonder why the let Jalen go as I remember he did great in the playoffs when Luka was out hurt in one of those series. I was thinking this guy's pretty good (I didn't expect him to get to where he is now - shows how much he's continued to work on his game. Also seems to be a pretty level headed person/player which is great too). I recall he took over and carried the load for Dallas in some of those games/series. It's nothing but f-up after f-up from the Dallas front office.

Maybe they want to go back to where the original/one of the first f#@k ups of the Luka era started and get a guy like Dylan who has the potential to be as good or better than Brunson? Maybe they think he fits better on their team with AD and their other big men already there? Who knows what Nico is thinking. It's questionable decision after questionable decision with those guys. You really don't know what this guy will do.

[spurraider21]

I used to be a reasonable man. I thought there was no way the NBA could possibly rig something as public as draft lotteries (despite the frozen envelope being highly likely). I'm much more skeptical these days. There's simply too many "miraculous" draft lottery happenings over the past 2 decades for me to believe that it's all chance. I'm not sure how they're doing it, but it happening over and over to very specific teams suggests it isn't all just some 1 in a million coincidence tbh.
envelope method was ripe for fuckery. easy to manipulate if they chose to. the current ping pong ball system seems pretty bulletproof imho. and again, how did the NBA manage to tear kyrie's ACL?

why did the nba rig the lottery for atlanta last year, since it was so improbable then too?

i just flipped a coin six times.i got Tails, Tails, Heads, Tails, Heads, Tails

WTF there was only a 1.5% chance of that happening. must be rigged.

[Mr. Body]

If somehow the Spurs end up with Flagg, I can see them suddenly flip with their #14 to possibly go for a Jase Richardson type.

[scott]

envelope method was ripe for fuckery. easy to manipulate if they chose to. the current ping pong ball system seems pretty bulletproof imho. and again, how did the NBA manage to tear kyrie's ACL?


Kyrie's MRI has never been made public tbqh...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If somehow the Spurs end up with Flagg, I can see them suddenly flip with their #14 to possibly go for a Jase Richardson type.

Mavs won't trade Flagg

[jjspur]

A lot of the NBA already thinks that Nico Harrison is a clown. If he tried to trade Flagg to the spurs, he'd probably be kicked in the ass and then fired before he got the chance. It isn't going to happen.
He might be forgiven if he got like a record number of future picks and 2 good players in return from a desperate crappy team with assets ( insert team here). This is the current NBA. Not a whole lot surprises me any more.

[Mr. Body]

Mavs won't trade Flagg

Lol did you even read the thread

[Spurs Homer]

As I mentioned, if they wanted Dylan Harper, wouldn't they at least try and fleece the Spurs into trading for the pick? It would then be up to the Spurs to call the bluff. It could get really complicated if the Mavs actually wanted Harper at number 1.

Dallas could have fleeced the nba by dangling Luka…yet they gifted him to the lakers…

Why would dallas suddenly do something smart?

[cd021]

2, 14 and the ‘27 Atlanta pick for #1

That would have to be the offer the Spurs would need to make but they'd run Nico out of town if he took that

[AFBlue]

Here for this. I'm assuming Nico will be worried about leaks, so he won't tip his hand until late. And by then, I'm thinking the Spurs will be ready to pounce with a protected future first as the compensation.

[Ice009]

Just read this and found it pretty cool that Cooper respects the older generation of players and teams and already knows what it's all about (not individual accolades or playing selfish). Quite the contrast to someone like Anthony Edwards who doesn't seem to respect previous generations (going by his comments last year).


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/inside-celtics-nba-combine-interview-with-cooper-flagg-brad-stevens-reveals-whether-to-expect-fireworks/
"We'd have a couple-hour drive for AAU tournaments and our little Chrysler van had a movie projector that would come down the middle and we'd pop in 85-86 Celtics the whole championship run and watch game by game, playing the whole thing over and over again," Flagg said. "I think the way they played, the way they got the ball out quickly, moved it down the court, the selflessness and unselfishness on that team of just accepting a role, doing the right things, putting your body on the line, it kind of embodies what a good team has to have. Everyone has to sacrifice something.

"Playing the game the right way will get you a lot farther than trying to do things you can't or don't help your team win. That type of influence has been invaluable to me."

Looks like he's a pretty big Celtics fan. Pretty cool that he understands the team concept so well and what it's all about. He cares about winning above all else it seems. I can now see why Duke did so well in his freshman season (could have won it all). I freaking hate that Dallas got him as I'm becoming a fan.

[Mr. Body]

Just read this and found it pretty cool that Cooper respects the older generation of players and teams and already knows what it's all about (not individual accolades or playing selfish). Quite the contrast to someone like Anthony Edwards who doesn't seem to respect previous generations (going by his comments last year).



Looks like he's a pretty big Celtics fan. Pretty cool that he understands the team concept so well and what it's all about. He cares about winning above all else it seems. I can now see why Duke did so well in his freshman season (could have won it all). I freaking hate that Dallas got him as I'm becoming a fan.

Yeah Maine would be Celtics territory. Maine used to be part of Massachusetts anyway. Little history lesson there.

[John B]

Dallas could have fleeced the nba by dangling Luka…yet they gifted him to the lakers…

Why would dallas suddenly do something smart?

And they were gifted back with a potential generational talent Flagg. That’s what giving up your franchise player to the Lakers do. See Pelicans traded AD to the Fakers got, Zion.

[Holt's Cat]

I think Dallas ownership on notice that they can’t let their GM F up again. The blowback on the Luka trade was significant to the point of them refunding season ticket holders and other shtt.

Their fans would burn the house down if they keep the pick and don’t take Flagg.

[Splits]

I used to be a reasonable man. I thought there was no way the NBA could possibly rig something as public as draft lotteries (despite the frozen envelope being highly likely). I'm much more skeptical these days. There's simply too many "miraculous" draft lottery happenings over the past 2 decades for me to believe that it's all chance. I'm not sure how they're doing it, but it happening over and over to very specific teams suggests it isn't all just some 1 in a million coincidence tbh.

So your theory is that Dallas won their first play-in game against SAC and then tanked their second play-in game against Memphis to get into the lottery because they were promised Flagg? Bro, find your meds, this is q-anon ludicrous shit.

[spursgu]

BatManu also said the Mavs were gonna win the championship last year :lol.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Dallas ownership on notice that they can’t let their GM F up again. The blowback on the Luka trade was significant to the point of them refunding season ticket holders and other shtt.

Their fans would burn the house down if they keep the pick and don’t take Flagg.

ownership already made a statement after the draft that they not trading the #1 pick

[timtonymanu]

BatManu also said the Mavs were gonna win the championship last year :lol.

I don’t see the problem with that. They were really good in the playoffs until the finals.

[buttsR4rebounding]

It's not happening, but for the sake for the hypothetical if the Mavs called, the Spurs would do what it takes. Someone said 2 + 14 + Atlanta's 27 pick. I think that is a a bargain. No more talk about will the 3 guard + Wemby be effective. You get the perfect player next to Wemby. Great defense. Can play the 3 or 4. Excellent and willing passer. Is rapidly improving his 3 point shot. This is the kind of opportunity that you stockpile assets for. In 2 years or less you are a stud 3&D player away from LOB contention. I get that we all overvalue our own players (or unreasonalbly trash them) and consider Harper a Spur already, but this is simply too good of a fit with only player considered better than Harper. Any other take is just looking through Spurs-colored glasses.

[R. DeMurre]

The Mavs seem to want to win right away (one or two years)


I agree, even if it was unrealistic, but now that a 33 yr old Kyrie is going to miss most of next season recovering from knee surgery, I think even Nico will have to admit that a serious playoff run is less likely. Add in the extreme good fortune of moving up in the draft, and I think the strategy changes to the future.

[BatManu20]

So your theory is that Dallas won their first play-in game against SAC and then tanked their second play-in game against Memphis to get into the lottery because they were promised Flagg? Bro, find your meds, this is q-anon ludicrous shit.

No, that is not my theory. Nowhere did I say that. You literally just pulled that out of your ass "bro" :lol. I'm suggesting that a multi-billion dollar corporation like the NBA might be opportunistic at times and want to control its assets, much like any other multi-billion dollar corporation. Kyrie getting injured had nothing to do with it, nor did them losing their Play-In game. I'm suggesting that once it was established that the Mavs were going to be selecting in the lottery, it's not inconceivable that the NBA wanted to capitalize on the opportunity and reward them with the #1 Pick at a time where their fanbase is revolting.

And to pretend like I'm the only person suggesting this theory is hilarious when it was the #1 trending topic on the internet the minute the Mavs on the lottery. Tens of thousands of people suggested the exact same when it happened.

[BatManu20]

BatManu also said the Mavs were gonna win the championship last year :lol.

Oh look, Spursgay is back! The audacity of me to incorrectly predict an NBA Finals series (as countless people did) at a time when the Mavericks were red-hot entering the series. Reprehensible, I know. I also should've known Luka's body was going to fail him that series. I'll try my best not to let it happen again, I promise.

[Splits]

It's a shame the NBA wanted to reward Dallas for the Luka ordeal. Flagg would've been a seamless and much-needed fit on this current roster. He, Wemby, Castle, and Fox would've been a great core for years to come. What could've been tbh. For shame.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GogOBC-XsAA-czJ?format=jpg&name=medium


No, that is not my theory. Nowhere did I say that. You literally just pulled that out of your ass "bro" :lol. I'm suggesting that a multi-billion dollar corporation like the NBA might be opportunistic at times and want to control its assets, much like any other multi-billion dollar corporation. Kyrie getting injured had nothing to do with it, nor did them losing their Play-In game. I'm suggesting that once it was established that the Mavs were going to be selecting in the lottery, it's not inconceivable that the NBA wanted to capitalize on the opportunity and reward them with the #1 Pick at a time where their fanbase is revolting.

And to pretend like I'm the only person suggesting this theory is hilarious when it was the #1 trending topic on the internet the minute the Mavs on the lottery. Tens of thousands of people suggested the exact same when it happened.

Do you realize you're a fucking lying piece of shit? How would the NBA want to reward Dallas for the Luka deal before "it was established" the Mavs were drafting in the lottery? Just:
1) go get a huge bottle of lube and go fuck yourself
2) continue to worship q-anon
3) stfu

[BatManu20]

Do you realize you're a fucking lying piece of shit? How would the NBA want to reward Dallas for the Luka deal before "it was established" the Mavs were drafting in the lottery? Just:
1) go get a huge bottle of lube and go fuck yourself
2) continue to worship q-anon
3) stfu

Do you realize you're a massive crybaby faggot who's taking this WAYY too seriously...? It's the NBA Draft Lottery "bro," quit getting so triggered about it, goddamn :lol. Bringing up Q-anon when talking about basketball to try and put emphasis on your narrative :lmao

Get off my nuts tubby. Imagine crying this much over a harmless basketball discussion :lol.

"Please bro :cry. The NBA would never do this bro :cry. It's not Q-anon bro :cry. I'm serious bro :cry. I'm very upset about this bro :cry. Please bro :cry"

[Mr. Body]

Cooper Flagg withdrawing from the draft, returning to Duke for one more year. Wow, that really changes everything.

[spurraider21]

And they were gifted back with a potential generational talent Flagg. That’s what giving up your franchise player to the Lakers do. See Pelicans traded AD to the Fakers got, Zion.
pelicans won zion lottery before AD trade happened

[spurraider21]

i still need a good explanation for how you fuck with the ping pong ball machine when there are witnesses from the media and reps from every team in the room as it happens

yes, it was a hilarious outcome that fueled conspiracy and it was good fun for a minute. but jfc people

[stnick2261]

Cooper Flagg withdrawing from the draft, returning to Duke for one more year. Wow, that really changes everything.

Gah Dammit... we really needed him to be there to push Harper down to us.

[mo7888]

Cooper Flagg withdrawing from the draft, returning to Duke for one more year. Wow, that really changes everything.

Nice troll! Lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

i still need a good explanation for how you fuck with the ping pong ball machine when there are witnesses from the media and reps from every team in the room as it happens

yes, it was a hilarious outcome that fueled conspiracy and it was good fun for a minute. but jfc people

You add weight four of the balls that combo for Dallas so they fall to the bottom of the chamber.

[Seventyniner]

You add weight four of the balls that combo for Dallas so they fall to the bottom of the chamber.

That could work, but those balls would keep coming up over and over for subsequent draws. The balls are not switched out at any point.

If you weight the balls enough to guarantee Dallas gets the #1 pick, their combination would come up every time and it would be obvious what happened. If you only weight them slightly, there's still a big chance Dallas doesn't get the pick, made even worse because Dallas had so few combos.

[exstatic]

You add weight four of the balls that combo for Dallas so they fall to the bottom of the chamber.

And then those come out over and over. You have to draw the first four draft positions, not just #1. I think if one Dallas combo keeps coming out, people are going to be suspicious. If you try to rig more than 4 balls, you risk one of those 5 combos being for the wrong team.

[scott]

i still need a good explanation for how you fuck with the ping pong ball machine when there are witnesses from the media and reps from every team in the room as it happens

yes, it was a hilarious outcome that fueled conspiracy and it was good fun for a minute. but jfc people

You just hire one of those magicians I see on the internet who can do shit like shuffle cards into any order you ask them to. Those guys seem to have this shit figured out.

[ambchang]

That could work, but those balls would keep coming up over and over for subsequent draws. The balls are not switched out at any point.

If you weight the balls enough to guarantee Dallas gets the #1 pick, their combination would come up every time and it would be obvious what happened. If you only weight them slightly, there's still a big chance Dallas doesn't get the pick, made even worse because Dallas had so few combos.

I can’t believe you call yourself a spurs fan. Manu already explained it 15 years ago


https://youtu.be/dX5JcitSJxM?si=enls3ozKQxlT4AIr

[Seventyniner]

I can’t believe you call yourself a spurs fan. Manu already explained it 15 years ago

With AI, now we can create a David Blaine x Manu Ginobili x Insane Clown Posse mashup. I'm giggling just thinking about it.

[ambchang]

^ :lol insane clown posse. Haven’t heard that in a while.

Back to Flagg. I see him more as a modern day Scottie Pippen or a Paul George 2.0. Now whether he can translate that into an alpha when both of those were betas (great betas) is another question. But if Flagg can create more on offence than Pippen did and learn to be a dominate scorer he could be absolutely amazing, but that is unlikely. I see him as an absolutely dominant #2.