View Full Version : Other Teams' Draft Strategies - 2025
Mr. Body
05-21-2025, 08:03 PM
I wonder if it's worth a different thread to focus on what other teams might be doing rather than our own.
Any case, it feels like the top 5 spots are more or less settled, although some variation and trade-ups might occur:
Flagg
Harper
Bailey/?
Edgecombe
Johnson
I feel like Philly is one inflection point, but that won't impact that much in terms of what players are picked. They might trade down, etc., but the players will very likely be these five.
For us, the first major inflection point is Washington at #6. What they do has knock-on effects for everyone thereafter.
Queen/Fears
These are the most obvious picks for them, to me. Queen, the local kid who can be bolstered by good frontline defense of Sarr and Coulibaly. Or a genuine offensive focal point as they try to move Poole.
The following two teams are New Orleans and Brooklyn, who I think would both be interested in Fears. Queen might not be in play - if not picked by Washington - until a team like Chicago. Brooklyn may need to make a big swing, but have to settle with Kasparas or Knueppel. Which impacts what is available to the Rockets in terms of playmaking and shooting.
Everyone is penciling Maluach in for Toronto, although he might not be. This may be the second main inflection point, whether Maluach is taken out of circulation - if the Spurs want a big, then it would leave Sorber as a last lottery-grade choice for Chicago.
So, that Washington pick impacts a lot following. Mainly whether Fears goes there. And then what Toronto does, if taking a big.
Those moves impact Houston, which impacts us. And impacts Chicago and Atlanta, which impact us. A team that may be looking at wings is Portland, who may snake a Carter Bryant or Essengue.
Mr. Body
05-21-2025, 08:11 PM
If I had to guess right now:
DAL - Flagg
SAS - Harper
PHI - Bailey
CHA - Edgecombe
UTA - Johnson
WAS - Queen
NOP - Knueppel
BKN - Fears
TOR - Maluach
HOU - Jakucionas
POR - ?? Essengue
CHI - Sorber
ATL - Murray-Boyles
SAS - ??
Tankathon, for example, has Fears going to Utah before Tre Johnson (Washington). And as the lottery goes on things get uncertain. But these are possible choices these teams will make.
mo7888
05-21-2025, 08:37 PM
If I had to guess right now:
DAL - Flagg
SAS - Harper
PHI - Bailey
CHA - Edgecombe
UTA - Johnson
WAS - Queen
NOP - Knueppel
BKN - Fears
TOR - Maluach
HOU - Jakucionas
POR - ?? Essengue
CHI - Sorber
ATL - Murray-Boyles
SAS - ??
Tankathon, for example, has Fears going to Utah before Tre Johnson (Washington). And as the lottery goes on things get uncertain. But these are possible choices these teams will make.
I agree Philly won't affect to much even if they trade it. I think the next inflection point is somewhere between 7 and 11. I could see anyone of those teams deciding that it's time to take a step forward and trade the pick for a veteran. I think this is the interest portion of the draft and it'll greatly effect who's there at 14.
Great thread idea. Lets stipulate that you're right on the Top 5 (though i can see an outside chance of Kon to Utah). I agree on your takes. Some additional thoughts:
-- WAS@6: Here in the DC area there seems to be a lot of talk of Queen at #6. Seems to fit the need, which is offense. Being petty, but I reject the DC/Baltimore "hometown" talking point (it's like saying an San Antonio kid that plays for UT is a "hometown kid"), BUT I will note that Bub Carrington is from Baltimore too and they're boys.
-- NOLA@7: Screams the next best PG prospect so i agree on Fears (unless they overwhelm us for Harper...)
Mysteries to me:
1. Brooklyn: Feel like a Kasparas home, but also feels like a very tradable pick.
2. Is Kon the surprise faller this draft? If Portland passes on him at 11, could he actually get to 14??
3. Will Bryant really rise as much as people think? How far? Toronto at 9?
SpursBills
05-21-2025, 08:48 PM
If I had to guess right now:
DAL - Flagg
SAS - Harper
PHI - Bailey
CHA - Edgecombe
UTA - Johnson
WAS - Queen
NOP - Knueppel
BKN - Fears
TOR - Maluach
HOU - Jakucionas
POR - ?? Essengue
CHI - Sorber
ATL - Murray-Boyles
SAS - ??
Tankathon, for example, has Fears going to Utah before Tre Johnson (Washington). And as the lottery goes on things get uncertain. But these are possible choices these teams will make.
This is my order too, except flip CMB and Sorber. Either way if board shakes out this way Spurs probably just go ahead and take Carter Bryant and don't get too cute trading down, with the surprise pick being Raynaud.
Mr. Body
05-21-2025, 08:55 PM
Great thread idea. Lets stipulate that you're right on the Top 5 (though i can see an outside chance of Kon to Utah). I agree on your takes. Some additional thoughts:
-- WAS@6: Here in the DC area there seems to be a lot of talk of Queen at #6. Seems to fit the need, which is offense. Being petty, but I reject the DC/Baltimore "hometown" talking point (it's like saying an San Antonio kid that plays for UT is a "hometown kid"), BUT I will note that Bub Carrington is from Baltimore too and they're boys.
-- NOLA@7: Screams the next best PG prospect so i agree on Fears (unless they overwhelm us for Harper...)
Mysteries to me:
1. Brooklyn: Feel like a Kasparas home, but also feels like a very tradable pick.
2. Is Kon the surprise faller this draft? If Portland passes on him at 11, could he actually get to 14??
3. Will Bryant really rise as much as people think? How far? Toronto at 9?
I agree on Queen, but then I'm big on him becoming something of an offensive star. That he shouted out Baltimore after he hit the game-winner in the tournament game can't hurt.
You're pointing out that there are soft spots in the draft as much as inflection points. I agree that Brooklyn probably isn't too excited with anyone they will see at their spot when they're digging for franchise pieces, and Portland may not like what's available either. I can see Brooklyn looking to trade somehow. They have late first round picks as it is.
Bryant is a mystery. He doesn't seem lottery grade to me, but someone may take a swing, and... who knows. Houston, Chicago, Toronto, Portland?
And... if somehow Kon starts tumbling, the Spurs should see what they can do to get there for themselves (and keep him away from Houston). It probably costs too much to move up to Brooklyn or Toronto. If he somehow survives Houston - who may still believe in the smaller Reed Sheppard - then I think the Spurs might be able to swap with Portland or Chicago.
This is my order too, except flip CMB and Sorber. Either way if board shakes out this way Spurs probably just go ahead and take Carter Bryant and don't get too cute trading down, with the surprise pick being Raynaud.
- NOP will take a PG in my opinion, which makes #6 a strong Fears slot.
- While HOU needs a PG, Jaku does not strike me as an Ime guy (I see Jaku in BKN). I can see them going for CMB here, or reaching on Jase's NBA pedigree to help with their shooting needs.
- Portland is my sleeper to take a swing on Bryant at 8, but I have a hard time seeing them pass on Kon if he's there
- Sorber is a reach at 12 or 13, but I can see one of those teams taking him there. If it's Chicago I have no clue what Atlanta does.
rascal
05-21-2025, 09:06 PM
Kon may slip in the draft.
I know he's a Spurstalk favorite but why would the Spurs draft another guard after drafting Harper? Where will Kon get any minutes?
scottspurs
05-21-2025, 09:07 PM
Portland is definitely a wild card here because they don’t necessarily have any huge needs so they will be deciding between BPA and fit
Hornets are also a bit of a wild card because they don’t seem to have a direction that they want to go. Something tells me Ace Bailey falls to 4 and they take him
the more bigs that can get pushed down the better.
scott
05-21-2025, 09:19 PM
Thanks OP, this was one of my favorite threads last year when at 4 and 8 we really had more at stake in the game theory of how the draft would play out. This is of less importance to us this year at 2 and 14, but still a lot of fun to think about and certainly there is an interesting range of options for us with that second pick.
Here are my opinions of how each team (aside from the Spurs) will approach their selection:
Dallas @ #1: There really is not much to discuss here. Flagg is in a class of his own and no matter how many brain cells Nico Harrison may have killed by sniffing Kobe's farts for years, not even he can screw this up. I really wish Flagg and Harper were closer as prospects, because Harper fits DAL a lot cleaner and likewise Flagg fits our team better... but that's the way the lotto balls fall. It would take a truly insane offer to get Dallas off this pick (something along the lines of Giannis for #1 straight up), and I don't see it happening. I don't see any realistic scenario where they choose anyone else over Flagg at #1 or choosing to trade down.
Prediction: Cooper Flagg
Philly @ #3: A really popular spot for folks to look at trade down/out scenarios with perhaps an opportunity for Morey to bail himself out of the mess of PG13's contract. Have seen a lot of chatter how if Philly can trade down into a Queen/Maluach range and offload PG13, it would put them in the best position them to transition to a next era, even if they are stuck with another 4 years of Embiid, who likely needs to be managed like Kawhi going forward. If they stay put at #3... the only realistic options are Ace/VJ/Tre. They appear to be pretty set in the backcourt with Maxey, McCain, Grimes and Justin Edwards, who emerged as a nice find last year.
Prediction: Trade Down, or Ace Bailey
Charlotte @ #4: One of the worst run franchises in the league, but one with some decent talent and the board at their spot actually fits quite perfectly with their current team make up. Their choice of VJ or Tre fits nicely with Melo, Miller, Bridges, a theoretical Saluan, and a theoretical healthy Mark Williams (who they tried to trade away). There is a good argument to made that they should try to trade away Melo, but I'm going to operate under the assumption they're going to build on what they have. I think there is a case to be made that they could use a C, but it's a reach for any of them this high. In my opinion, they should prioritize VJ's defensive potential over Tre Johnson's offensive game (which overlaps with Millers, IMO).
Prediction: VJ Edgecombe
Utah @ #5: No glory for tankers this year, and Utah is left having to ponder another year of tanking before they can turn the corner. They have decent prospects at pretty much every position, and can just go with the BPA or highest upside option. For me, that would be whomever is left of VJ or Tre, or maybe Jaku. But I think Danny Ainge and Justin Zanik will throw a curveball and go with Kon Knueppel, unable to resist the opportunity to add a pasty white boy. I do think we'll see Utah sell off some assets this offseason (Lauri perhaps, for example, for less than what he could have gotten for him last year) to keep adding to the warchest for use when tanking finally pays off for them.
Prediction: Kon Knueppel
Washington @ #6: Another sad tanker, and another team with some decent prospect pieces at pretty much every position and should just take BPA. If Tre Johnson is still on the board, he's going to be appealing, but I think Queen and Fears are options here. I think a Queen/Sarr pairing is about as good as you can hope for each of these guys. Sarr's can be a backstop for Queen's defensive limitations and on offense I think the two play off each other well for a nice inside-out bigman combo. If they don't go Queen, I do think Fears might have a slight advantage over Tre Johnson here (Tre has a pretty wide range here, potentially as high as 3, but now I have him slipping)
Prediction: Derik Queen
New Orleans @ #7: Too talented a team to be as bad as they were last year, injuries really doom them. I'm a big fan of the theoretical pieces they have in the front court if they could stay healthy and/or motivated. I don't see Missi as a starting C who is going to give you 30-35 mpg long term, so Maluach could be in play, but they really need guard help with DJM injured and and CJ getting up in years and on the final year of his deal. Fears and Jaku are both good options, as is Tre Johnson - though I think facilitation is a higher priority considering they have scorers in Zion and TMIII already. I think they'll get enamored with the scoring potential of Fears and go with him, although I think there is a good case that Jaku would be the better choice.
Prediction: Jeremiah Fears
Brooklyn @ #8: They could use everything and really just need upside. They have 4 first rounders, and I don't expect them to take them all, but what they do take I think they'll use on upside swings. The board falls great to them here and I think Tre Johnson would be a no brainer. Jaku, Queen, and Fears would all be choices here as well. I also expect them to rent out cap space - this could be a landing spot for PHI to move down into to put PG13 into the Nets capspace (but I'd expect Brooklyn to play hardball and offer their later picks instead and try to stay at 8 in addition to getting 3).
Prediction: Tre Johnson
Toronto @ #9: A team full of a bunch of #2 options. They are quite desperate for a consolidate trade. I don't understand why they went for Brandon Ingram and then extended him, though they got him on a fairly reasonable extension. Jaku and Maluach make the most sense here, but I wonder if this pick could be used in some kind of consolidation trade for them. They have quite a bit of money tied up in Quickly, but I think he could slide over to the 2... the problem is they have some nice 2 prospects in Dick and Walter already. Jak has 2 years left (2nd year, player option) and Maluach has been the lazy selection that everyone makes... but it's based on some pretty good reasoning. I'm nto going to be bold enough to buck the trend, other than to say I do think Jaku could be an option here.
Prediction: Khaman Malauch
Houston @ #10: This seems a prime candidate to add into a bigger deal where Houston goes big game hunting, but if they don't, Kasparas makes too much sense here if Houston decline's FVV's option. I think any of the PFs make sense here as well to give them a little more size upfront as Jabari enters his 4th year. CMB, Fleming, Essengue, Newell could all be in play. I think they go Jaku though.
Prediction: Kasparas Jakucionis
Portland @ #11: Another team full of young talent across all positions who should probably just take whomever the feel has the most upside. Scoot/Sharpe/Simons/Adjiva/Camara/Clingan is a decent starting place. If they move off of Simons as has seemingly been rumored for years, then maybe the add another guard like Richardson? But I think more likely they look for wing/forward depth and someone like Bryant/Essengue/CMB/Fleming/Newell. I also think this is where Coward's range begins. This is one of the tougher predictions to make because they could go so many ways.
Prediction: Carter Bryant
Chicago @ #12: Could see them doing anything other than guard. Center is a popular pick but I'm not totally sold on that direction. They seem to like offensive centers. If Queen was still on board I could see that but I don't know that Sorber is their type and it's too early for anyone else... though they are a terrible front office so... maybe it's surprise Danny Wolfe time? Naaaaah. Are they ready to take an L on Patrick Williams? If so, then they have plenty of options at the 3/4 here to pair with Matas. I think they'd take Carter Bryant if Portland just didn't do it.
Prediction: Noa Essengue
Atlanta @ #13: Center is just too obvious with Capela rolling off. I think they could also use someone like Jase for a bench scoring punch. Also a potential spot for Coward. Some front court beef would be good for them here as well. Newell, CMB, Fleming will definitely be in play. But in the end, I think they just go with the obvious choice
Prediction: Thomas Sorber
Guru of Nothing
05-21-2025, 09:19 PM
For some strange reason, the thought of Ace Bailey to the Hornets had not crossed my mind. Potentially glorious outcomes.
Dal - Flagg
Sas - Harper
Phi - Ace
Cha - VJ
Uta - Tre
Was - Kon
Nola - Maluach
Bkn - Fears
Tor - Queen
Hou - Jak
Por - Bryant
Chi - CMB
Atl - Essengue
Sas - Mcneely? Egor? Nique?
Mr. Body
05-21-2025, 09:31 PM
Kon may slip in the draft.
I know he's a Spurstalk favorite but why would the Spurs draft another guard after drafting Harper? Where will Kon get any minutes?
There's really no size difference between Kon and McNeeley, maybe an inch or so. They're both 2/3 swings but McNeeley has no real on-ball juice and simply was not as productive or good defensively.
Mr. Body
05-21-2025, 09:34 PM
Thanks OP, this was one of my favorite threads last year when at 4 and 8 we really had more at stake in the game theory of how the draft would play out. This is of less importance to us this year at 2 and 14, but still a lot of fun to think about and certainly there is an interesting range of options for us with that second pick.
Here are my opinions of how each team (aside from the Spurs) will approach their selection:
Dallas @ #1: There really is not much to discuss here. Flagg is in a class of his own and no matter how many brain cells Nico Harrison may have killed by sniffing Kobe's farts for years, not even he can screw this up. I really wish Flagg and Harper were closer as prospects, because Harper fits DAL a lot cleaner and likewise Flagg fits our team better... but that's the way the lotto balls fall. It would take a truly insane offer to get Dallas off this pick (something along the lines of Giannis for #1 straight up), and I don't see it happening. I don't see any realistic scenario where they choose anyone else over Flagg at #1 or choosing to trade down.
Prediction: Cooper Flagg
Philly @ #3: A really popular spot for folks to look at trade down/out scenarios with perhaps an opportunity for Morey to bail himself out of the mess of PG13's contract. Have seen a lot of chatter how if Philly can trade down into a Queen/Maluach range and offload PG13, it would put them in the best position them to transition to a next era, even if they are stuck with another 4 years of Embiid, who likely needs to be managed like Kawhi going forward. If they stay put at #3... the only realistic options are Ace/VJ/Tre. They appear to be pretty set in the backcourt with Maxey, McCain, Grimes and Justin Edwards, who emerged as a nice find last year.
Prediction: Trade Down, or Ace Bailey
Charlotte @ #4: One of the worst run franchises in the league, but one with some decent talent and the board at their spot actually fits quite perfectly with their current team make up. Their choice of VJ or Tre fits nicely with Melo, Miller, Bridges, a theoretical Saluan, and a theoretical healthy Mark Williams (who they tried to trade away). There is a good argument to made that they should try to trade away Melo, but I'm going to operate under the assumption they're going to build on what they have. I think there is a case to be made that they could use a C, but it's a reach for any of them this high. In my opinion, they should prioritize VJ's defensive potential over Tre Johnson's offensive game (which overlaps with Millers, IMO).
Prediction: VJ Edgecombe
Utah @ #5: No glory for tankers this year, and Utah is left having to ponder another year of tanking before they can turn the corner. They have decent prospects at pretty much every position, and can just go with the BPA or highest upside option. For me, that would be whomever is left of VJ or Tre, or maybe Jaku. But I think Danny Ainge and Justin Zanik will throw a curveball and go with Kon Knueppel, unable to resist the opportunity to add a pasty white boy. I do think we'll see Utah sell off some assets this offseason (Lauri perhaps, for example, for less than what he could have gotten for him last year) to keep adding to the warchest for use when tanking finally pays off for them.
Prediction: Kon Knueppel
Washington @ #6: Another sad tanker, and another team with some decent prospect pieces at pretty much every position and should just take BPA. If Tre Johnson is still on the board, he's going to be appealing, but I think Queen and Fears are options here. I think a Queen/Sarr pairing is about as good as you can hope for each of these guys. Sarr's can be a backstop for Queen's defensive limitations and on offense I think the two play off each other well for a nice inside-out bigman combo. If they don't go Queen, I do think Fears might have a slight advantage over Tre Johnson here (Tre has a pretty wide range here, potentially as high as 3, but now I have him slipping)
Prediction: Derik Queen
New Orleans @ #7: Too talented a team to be as bad as they were last year, injuries really doom them. I'm a big fan of the theoretical pieces they have in the front court if they could stay healthy and/or motivated. I don't see Missi as a starting C who is going to give you 30-35 mpg long term, so Maluach could be in play, but they really need guard help with DJM injured and and CJ getting up in years and on the final year of his deal. Fears and Jaku are both good options, as is Tre Johnson - though I think facilitation is a higher priority considering they have scorers in Zion and TMIII already. I think they'll get enamored with the scoring potential of Fears and go with him, although I think there is a good case that Jaku would be the better choice.
Prediction: Jeremiah Fears
Brooklyn @ #8: They could use everything and really just need upside. They have 4 first rounders, and I don't expect them to take them all, but what they do take I think they'll use on upside swings. The board falls great to them here and I think Tre Johnson would be a no brainer. Jaku, Queen, and Fears would all be choices here as well. I also expect them to rent out cap space - this could be a landing spot for PHI to move down into to put PG13 into the Nets capspace (but I'd expect Brooklyn to play hardball and offer their later picks instead and try to stay at 8 in addition to getting 3).
Prediction: Tre Johnson
Toronto @ #9: A team full of a bunch of #2 options. They are quite desperate for a consolidate trade. I don't understand why they went for Brandon Ingram and then extended him, though they got him on a fairly reasonable extension. Jaku and Maluach make the most sense here, but I wonder if this pick could be used in some kind of consolidation trade for them. They have quite a bit of money tied up in Quickly, but I think he could slide over to the 2... the problem is they have some nice 2 prospects in Dick and Walter already. Jak has 2 years left (2nd year, player option) and Maluach has been the lazy selection that everyone makes... but it's based on some pretty good reasoning. I'm nto going to be bold enough to buck the trend, other than to say I do think Jaku could be an option here.
Prediction: Khaman Malauch
Houston @ #10: This seems a prime candidate to add into a bigger deal where Houston goes big game hunting, but if they don't, Kasparas makes too much sense here if Houston decline's FVV's option. I think any of the PFs make sense here as well to give them a little more size upfront as Jabari enters his 4th year. CMB, Fleming, Essengue, Newell could all be in play. I think they go Jaku though.
Prediction: Kasparas Jakucionis
Portland @ #11: Another team full of young talent across all positions who should probably just take whomever the feel has the most upside. Scoot/Sharpe/Simons/Adjiva/Camara/Clingan is a decent starting place. If they move off of Simons as has seemingly been rumored for years, then maybe the add another guard like Richardson? But I think more likely they look for wing/forward depth and someone like Bryant/Essengue/CMB/Fleming/Newell. I also think this is where Coward's range begins. This is one of the tougher predictions to make because they could go so many ways.
Prediction: Carter Bryant
Chicago @ #12: Could see them doing anything other than guard. Center is a popular pick but I'm not totally sold on that direction. They seem to like offensive centers. If Queen was still on board I could see that but I don't know that Sorber is their type and it's too early for anyone else... though they are a terrible front office so... maybe it's surprise Danny Wolfe time? Naaaaah. Are they ready to take an L on Patrick Williams? If so, then they have plenty of options at the 3/4 here to pair with Matas. I think they'd take Carter Bryant if Portland just didn't do it.
Prediction: Noa Essengue
Atlanta @ #13: Center is just too obvious with Capela rolling off. I think they could also use someone like Jase for a bench scoring punch. Also a potential spot for Coward. Some front court beef would be good for them here as well. Newell, CMB, Fleming will definitely be in play. But in the end, I think they just go with the obvious choice
Prediction: Thomas Sorber
Kon to Utah feels so on-brand and on the nose, they couldn't possibly do it, could they? But they could. He's perfect for them in terms of fit, only the wrong year. He feels more like a finishing piece, or closer to one. I tab them for a bigger swing, but getting a guy who will be very happy to be there may be a better idea for them. Their ball-handling is unpredictable and he'll help a lot.
Fears to NOP makes a lot of sense.
Brooklyn would be ecstatic to get Tre Johnson.
Houston with Jaku feels like a great fit. Too great for us.
And I agree that Portland is hard to get a handle on. They have a lot of pieces and probably a defensive wing makes sense. Chicago is also strange. It feels like they need a center, but who knows what they do. And Atlanta could go with a defensive or beefier PF like Newell.
scottspurs
05-21-2025, 09:43 PM
Sorber to the Hawks would be brutal. So close. Hopefully they prefer someone more athletic that can catch lobs and go for Asa Newell or reach for Joan Beringer. You may be right though because they also need toughness down low.
Dont want to quote Scott's entire post but I think he nailed it. My only quibbles are Jaku to Houston (doesnt seem like an Ime guy). I also think we've forgotten about Asa Newell who may be in play for Chicago and Atlanta.
If this is close to how it shakes out, my preference is for the Spurs to trade out of #14 honestly.
SpursBills
05-21-2025, 09:47 PM
Curious to see how Philly views Embiid - whether they think he's truly a lost cause or whether they think they can get a few more years of productive basketball out of him.
If they think he can still play, 3 + Paul George for 21 + Markannen probably makes some sense for both sides -
Philly can role out Maxey/McCain/Lauri/Embiid, take a defensive wing like Thiero or Penda at 21, and try and stay competitive rather than deliver a lottery pick to the Thunder in a stacked 2026 draft
Jazz tank again with Ace/Kon or Ace/Tre, try and land in the top 4 and get one of the Peterson/Boozer/Dybantsa trinity or even settle for Quaintance while trying to rehab Paul George's value and meet their salary floor obligations. Kon/Tre-Ace-Peterson/Dybantsa/Boozer isn't a bad core to start with
If Philly thinks Embiid can't play, a trade-down for Maluach or CMB probably makes some sense to try and either get an Embiid replacement or find their Draymond for their two guards
mo7888
05-21-2025, 10:08 PM
Thanks OP, this was one of my favorite threads last year when at 4 and 8 we really had more at stake in the game theory of how the draft would play out. This is of less importance to us this year at 2 and 14, but still a lot of fun to think about and certainly there is an interesting range of options for us with that second pick.
Here are my opinions of how each team (aside from the Spurs) will approach their selection:
Dallas @ #1: There really is not much to discuss here. Flagg is in a class of his own and no matter how many brain cells Nico Harrison may have killed by sniffing Kobe's farts for years, not even he can screw this up. I really wish Flagg and Harper were closer as prospects, because Harper fits DAL a lot cleaner and likewise Flagg fits our team better... but that's the way the lotto balls fall. It would take a truly insane offer to get Dallas off this pick (something along the lines of Giannis for #1 straight up), and I don't see it happening. I don't see any realistic scenario where they choose anyone else over Flagg at #1 or choosing to trade down.
Prediction: Cooper Flagg
Philly @ #3: A really popular spot for folks to look at trade down/out scenarios with perhaps an opportunity for Morey to bail himself out of the mess of PG13's contract. Have seen a lot of chatter how if Philly can trade down into a Queen/Maluach range and offload PG13, it would put them in the best position them to transition to a next era, even if they are stuck with another 4 years of Embiid, who likely needs to be managed like Kawhi going forward. If they stay put at #3... the only realistic options are Ace/VJ/Tre. They appear to be pretty set in the backcourt with Maxey, McCain, Grimes and Justin Edwards, who emerged as a nice find last year.
Prediction: Trade Down, or Ace Bailey
Charlotte @ #4: One of the worst run franchises in the league, but one with some decent talent and the board at their spot actually fits quite perfectly with their current team make up. Their choice of VJ or Tre fits nicely with Melo, Miller, Bridges, a theoretical Saluan, and a theoretical healthy Mark Williams (who they tried to trade away). There is a good argument to made that they should try to trade away Melo, but I'm going to operate under the assumption they're going to build on what they have. I think there is a case to be made that they could use a C, but it's a reach for any of them this high. In my opinion, they should prioritize VJ's defensive potential over Tre Johnson's offensive game (which overlaps with Millers, IMO).
Prediction: VJ Edgecombe
Utah @ #5: No glory for tankers this year, and Utah is left having to ponder another year of tanking before they can turn the corner. They have decent prospects at pretty much every position, and can just go with the BPA or highest upside option. For me, that would be whomever is left of VJ or Tre, or maybe Jaku. But I think Danny Ainge and Justin Zanik will throw a curveball and go with Kon Knueppel, unable to resist the opportunity to add a pasty white boy. I do think we'll see Utah sell off some assets this offseason (Lauri perhaps, for example, for less than what he could have gotten for him last year) to keep adding to the warchest for use when tanking finally pays off for them.
Prediction: Kon Knueppel
Washington @ #6: Another sad tanker, and another team with some decent prospect pieces at pretty much every position and should just take BPA. If Tre Johnson is still on the board, he's going to be appealing, but I think Queen and Fears are options here. I think a Queen/Sarr pairing is about as good as you can hope for each of these guys. Sarr's can be a backstop for Queen's defensive limitations and on offense I think the two play off each other well for a nice inside-out bigman combo. If they don't go Queen, I do think Fears might have a slight advantage over Tre Johnson here (Tre has a pretty wide range here, potentially as high as 3, but now I have him slipping)
Prediction: Derik Queen
New Orleans @ #7: Too talented a team to be as bad as they were last year, injuries really doom them. I'm a big fan of the theoretical pieces they have in the front court if they could stay healthy and/or motivated. I don't see Missi as a starting C who is going to give you 30-35 mpg long term, so Maluach could be in play, but they really need guard help with DJM injured and and CJ getting up in years and on the final year of his deal. Fears and Jaku are both good options, as is Tre Johnson - though I think facilitation is a higher priority considering they have scorers in Zion and TMIII already. I think they'll get enamored with the scoring potential of Fears and go with him, although I think there is a good case that Jaku would be the better choice.
Prediction: Jeremiah Fears
Brooklyn @ #8: They could use everything and really just need upside. They have 4 first rounders, and I don't expect them to take them all, but what they do take I think they'll use on upside swings. The board falls great to them here and I think Tre Johnson would be a no brainer. Jaku, Queen, and Fears would all be choices here as well. I also expect them to rent out cap space - this could be a landing spot for PHI to move down into to put PG13 into the Nets capspace (but I'd expect Brooklyn to play hardball and offer their later picks instead and try to stay at 8 in addition to getting 3).
Prediction: Tre Johnson
Toronto @ #9: A team full of a bunch of #2 options. They are quite desperate for a consolidate trade. I don't understand why they went for Brandon Ingram and then extended him, though they got him on a fairly reasonable extension. Jaku and Maluach make the most sense here, but I wonder if this pick could be used in some kind of consolidation trade for them. They have quite a bit of money tied up in Quickly, but I think he could slide over to the 2... the problem is they have some nice 2 prospects in Dick and Walter already. Jak has 2 years left (2nd year, player option) and Maluach has been the lazy selection that everyone makes... but it's based on some pretty good reasoning. I'm nto going to be bold enough to buck the trend, other than to say I do think Jaku could be an option here.
Prediction: Khaman Malauch
Houston @ #10: This seems a prime candidate to add into a bigger deal where Houston goes big game hunting, but if they don't, Kasparas makes too much sense here if Houston decline's FVV's option. I think any of the PFs make sense here as well to give them a little more size upfront as Jabari enters his 4th year. CMB, Fleming, Essengue, Newell could all be in play. I think they go Jaku though.
Prediction: Kasparas Jakucionis
Portland @ #11: Another team full of young talent across all positions who should probably just take whomever the feel has the most upside. Scoot/Sharpe/Simons/Adjiva/Camara/Clingan is a decent starting place. If they move off of Simons as has seemingly been rumored for years, then maybe the add another guard like Richardson? But I think more likely they look for wing/forward depth and someone like Bryant/Essengue/CMB/Fleming/Newell. I also think this is where Coward's range begins. This is one of the tougher predictions to make because they could go so many ways.
Prediction: Carter Bryant
Chicago @ #12: Could see them doing anything other than guard. Center is a popular pick but I'm not totally sold on that direction. They seem to like offensive centers. If Queen was still on board I could see that but I don't know that Sorber is their type and it's too early for anyone else... though they are a terrible front office so... maybe it's surprise Danny Wolfe time? Naaaaah. Are they ready to take an L on Patrick Williams? If so, then they have plenty of options at the 3/4 here to pair with Matas. I think they'd take Carter Bryant if Portland just didn't do it.
Prediction: Noa Essengue
Atlanta @ #13: Center is just too obvious with Capela rolling off. I think they could also use someone like Jase for a bench scoring punch. Also a potential spot for Coward. Some front court beef would be good for them here as well. Newell, CMB, Fleming will definitely be in play. But in the end, I think they just go with the obvious choice
Prediction: Thomas Sorber
In that scenario i take McNeely or Egor (but prefer McNeely)
jesterbobman
05-22-2025, 01:05 AM
One possibility is OKC looking to move up - they'll have a consolidation trade to make as they have a young, loaded roster with (approximately) 2342340 future picks, so moving in 2 for 1 trades could help them - adding something to 15 to move up for Sorber as the LT Hartenstein Replacement (Big C with short roll skills) could make sense to manage cap over time, whilst not relying on rookies.
Other teams could make sense as a consolidation, or acquiring particular skills to fit.
I doubt that affects the order much until about pick number 9, as it's apparently viewed as an 8 player draft - but could change the order from Toronto down to Atlanta.
Raven
05-22-2025, 03:17 AM
think it makes sense for teams to be trading a little at the top, as dallas would be better suited with harper, sa with flagg or bailey, philliy is in a good position, charlotte though where it is it misses out on the top 3 top level talents.
Raven
05-22-2025, 03:18 AM
One possibility is OKC looking to move up - they'll have a consolidation trade to make as they have a young, loaded roster with (approximately) 2342340 future picks, so moving in 2 for 1 trades could help them - adding something to 15 to move up for Sorber as the LT Hartenstein Replacement (Big C with short roll skills) could make sense to manage cap over time, whilst not relying on rookies.
Other teams could make sense as a consolidation, or acquiring particular skills to fit.
I doubt that affects the order much until about pick number 9, as it's apparently viewed as an 8 player draft - but could change the order from Toronto down to Atlanta.
don't think it to be likely, as they are likely to get cap conscious
Vienna
05-22-2025, 05:50 AM
There's really no size difference between Kon and McNeeley, maybe an inch or so. They're both 2/3 swings but McNeeley has no real on-ball juice and simply was not as productive or good defensively.
it's actually two inches, but I think the diffence might be more about how teams would develop the player physically.
I think, they will want Kon to slim down a bit, maybe looking at a Christian Braun type player (or even Tyler Herro) and I think they would want McNeeley to bulk up, so that he ends up like a Gordon Hayward type player.
exstatic
05-22-2025, 06:17 AM
For some strange reason, the thought of Ace Bailey to the Hornets had not crossed my mind. Potentially glorious outcomes.
Yet another knucklehead on knucklehead farm.
jesterbobman
05-22-2025, 06:17 AM
The cap crunch is why - Get someone ready to take over, take time to learn, then they have a defensive centre without paying the 30m they're paying Hartenstein - which won't be affordable forever with Jalen and Chet moving to (mini) max deals.
RC_Drunkford
05-22-2025, 06:52 AM
Queen going top 10 would be amazing, cause he's terrible. I assume he will drop though, his combine was abysmal. Furthermore the players who really drop will be PGs because most teams already have some.
My main options in order at 14 would be:
Sorber
Fleming
Coward
Bryant
I'm fine with any of these 4. I think all of them are also on OKC's radar.
ATL might be a candidate to move up with 13 + 22, because the perfect player for them would actually be Maluach as a lob threat for Trae.
poopbox
05-22-2025, 08:24 AM
I think there is a 0% chance Philly is able to trade the number 3 pick AND PG contract. He's owed around 150 million the next 3 years. You would in essence be paying around 50 million to draft Ace Bailey. Not sure there is a team who thinks Ace will be THAT good.
Ice009
05-22-2025, 08:30 AM
Weren't the Spurs interested in getting Paul George last off-season? I'm not sure how serious that was and/or what their offer might have been (I'm guessing less years), but darn, I wonder if he can bounce back after that terrible season.
mo7888
05-22-2025, 08:35 AM
Weren't the Spurs interested in getting Paul George last off-season? I'm not sure how serious that was and/or what their offer might have been (I'm guessing less years), but darn, I wonder if he can bounce back after that terrible season.
Careful there... PG is the worst contract in the league...he's washed...and getting him + 3 for Devin + Keldon + 14 is so bad you can't even consider it....or so I'm told...
LeBowen
05-22-2025, 08:36 AM
I think there is a 0% chance Philly is able to trade the number 3 pick AND PG contract. He's owed around 150 million the next 3 years. You would in essence be paying around 50 million to draft Ace Bailey. Not sure there is a team who thinks Ace will be THAT good.
Either a horrible team that still has a couple of years of tanking ahead of them or a desparate playoff team with no way out.
I'd consider it if I was the Suns, tbh.
There's no way for them to keep competing, just get the #3 and another FRP for KD.
The bigger issue is why are the Sixers doing this when Embiid is never going to be healthy again.
No point in doubling down, the process is done.
Weren't the Spurs interested in getting Paul George last off-season? I'm not sure how serious that was and/or what their offer might have been (I'm guessing less years), but darn, I wonder if he can bounce back after that terrible season.
There was a report, idk how credible, that Spurs offered him a 3 year deal, but he wanted a 4 year max.
Somewhat makes sense because 3 year deal would expire before Wemby's extension kicks in.
rascal
05-22-2025, 08:42 AM
There's really no size difference between Kon and McNeeley, maybe an inch or so. They're both 2/3 swings but McNeeley has no real on-ball juice and simply was not as productive or good defensively.
McNeeley is bigger and also jumps better. McNeeley is more athletic vertically than Kon. Kon is a below the rim player. McNeeley is better for SF.
McNeeley also looks quicker. Far more highlights of McNeeley being able to take it to the basket than Kon.
Kon doesn't have any ball juice, very limited in taking it to the basket.
Very few highlights of him taking it to the basket, most everything is catch and shoot for Kon where he excels.
McNeeley plays out of control throwing up wild shots while Kon plays more composed. UCONN didn't have many self creators on offense so McNeeley was doinjg too much forcing things that weren't there.
He'll be great on the Spurs with the self creators the Spurs are going to have in the backcourt.
Careful there... PG is the worst contract in the league...he's washed...and getting him + 3 for Devin + Keldon + 14 is so bad you can't even consider it....or so I'm told...
I'm open minded to this if they think PG can slot in at the 4 next to Wemby.
But who would you take at pick #3 in that world?
John B
05-22-2025, 08:56 AM
I agree Queen could very well drop and many here would be yelling at their screen, but Spurs would pass to draft Wemby’s chess-pal Maxine Reynaud. Magic finally taking a chance at Queen and could prove to be another Jalen Duren averaging double-double.
mo7888
05-22-2025, 09:02 AM
I'm open minded to this if they think PG can slot in at the 4 next to Wemby.
But who would you take at pick #3 in that world?
I'd do one of 3 things:
1) take Ace
2) take Kon
3) trade back and pick up future 1sts
That assumes Dallas would take 2 + 3 for Flagg
rascal
05-22-2025, 09:02 AM
double post
exstatic
05-22-2025, 09:03 AM
Queen going top 10 would be amazing, cause he's terrible. I assume he will drop though, his combine was abysmal. Furthermore the players who really drop will be PGs because most teams already have some.
My main options in order at 14 would be:
Sorber
Fleming
Coward
Bryant
I'm fine with any of these 4. I think all of them are also on OKC's radar.
ATL might be a candidate to move up with 13 + 22, because the perfect player for them would actually be Maluach as a lob threat for Trae.
Didn’t Malauch have to do the agility test like 6 times because he kept kicking the cones and voiding the test?
I'd do one of 3 things:
1) take Ace
2) take Kon
3) trade back and pick up future 1sts
What's interesting is that, as a framework, this would work on the salaries:
MIL: #2, #3, George
PHI: Dev; Keldon; #14
SAS: Giannis
And honestly, I don't think MIL could reasonably demand much more.
RC_Drunkford
05-22-2025, 10:11 AM
Didn’t Malauch have to do the agility test like 6 times because he kept kicking the cones and voiding the test?
Yes. He also has the same size as Rudy Gobert who gets played off the floor consistently, but won multiple DPOYs
exstatic
05-22-2025, 10:28 AM
Yes. He also has the same size as Rudy Gobert who gets played off the floor consistently, but won multiple DPOYs
Like their measurements, but DPOY is a regular season award, and if you get played off the floor, especially in the playoffs, is it a good plan to have to retool your defense on the fly for the playoffs?
ace3g
05-22-2025, 10:32 AM
Yep, reason French NT made their run after taking Golbert out of the SL.
RC_Drunkford
05-22-2025, 10:37 AM
Like their measurements, but DPOY is a regular season award, and if you get played off the floor, especially in the playoffs, is it a good plan to have to retool your defense on the fly for the playoffs?
it's the Hawks, is it a good plan to build your team around Trae Young? They'll still do it and Gobert is in the WCF
exstatic
05-22-2025, 12:04 PM
it's the Hawks, is it a good plan to build your team around Trae Young? They'll still do it and Gobert is in the WCF
True, dat.
poopbox
05-22-2025, 03:48 PM
Yep, reason French NT made their run after taking Golbert out of the SL.
Meh. Wolves hadn't won a playoff serious in forever until Rudy got there.
The "run rudy off the floor" narrative is a lazy take. Rudy never get's "ran" off the floor. His teams perimeter defense becomes garbage and then he ends up having to over extend himself which turns into open looks at the basket.
It would be the same as Victor getting "ran off the floor" cause he is constantly having to overextend help for Keldon and Devin.
quentin_compson
05-22-2025, 06:21 PM
There is a line of thinking that people tend to get run of the floor nowadays more for deficiencies on the offensive end rather than defensively - and I think there is some merit to that.
Gobert has vertical spacing, obviously, but since Conley has kind of fallen of a cliff, this doesn't get put to use on a consistent basis anymore. Ant can throw some lobs, sure, so can Randle, but too often, Gobert is kind of just in the way - and his rather poor hands don't help him around the rim. Having Gobert and the old version of Conley play heavy minutes is really a problem for the Wolves' offense.
Thomas82
05-22-2025, 11:42 PM
If it plays out like this, I would take Asa Newell at 14.
Was listening to one of these draft podcast suggesting that Demin's name is "hot" right now and that he might creep into the Top 10. If this is true, wonder if the landing spot is Brooklyn at #8. The other place is Utah if they trade back to get him (maybe with Brooklyn)? In any case, I think its good news for #14 bc it means someone else drops.
On the flip side, seems like Bryants floor might be Portland?
Mr. Body
05-23-2025, 03:34 PM
Was listening to one of these draft podcast suggesting that Demin's name is "hot" right now and that he might creep into the Top 10. If this is true, wonder if the landing spot is Brooklyn at #8. The other place is Utah if they trade back to get him (maybe with Brooklyn)? In any case, I think its good news for #14 bc it means someone else drops.
On the flip side, seems like Bryants floor might be Portland?
Damn, Demin was starting to be my guy.
He was iffy this year, but shows good feel for the game, great passing, great size, so you just need to build him and work at it.
Portland seems ready to take a wing. I can see Essengue or Bryant. My guess is Essengue right now.
Damn, Demin was starting to be my guy.
He was iffy this year, but shows good feel for the game, great passing, great size, so you just need to build him and work at it.
Portland seems ready to take a wing. I can see Essengue or Bryant. My guess is Essengue right now.
If both these guys do creep up to before we pick, I think it mostly impacts Jaku right? I can see the argument for Houston at 10, but CMB feels more like a Houston dude to me.
Mr. Body
05-23-2025, 05:17 PM
If both these guys do creep up to before we pick, I think it mostly impacts Jaku right? I can see the argument for Houston at 10, but CMB feels more like a Houston dude to me.
Rox fans seem to be focusing on BPA (whatever that means) or a big instead of a ball-handler or shooting. I'm sure they see Reed having a big year.
I could see Atlanta looking at Jakucionas. I could see him going earlier to Brooklyn or NOP. Who knows.
Anonymous Cowherd
05-25-2025, 04:51 PM
There was some concern about Maluach a while ago regarding potential visa issues. Interesting that the one team that would really, really have to worry about that are heavily mocked to draft him.
Portland only have 1 pick this draft I think, and no really obvious target. Could 14+38 be enough to move up? Add a future SRP?
There was some concern about Maluach a while ago regarding potential visa issues. Interesting that the one team that would really, really have to worry about that are heavily mocked to draft him.
Portland only have 1 pick this draft I think, and no really obvious target. Could 14+38 be enough to move up? Add a future SRP?
I believe South Sudan cut a deal with the US on this. It may, in part, have something to do with this bullshit:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98990v5e1eo.amp
I asked ChatGPT on Deep Research mode to scrub fan forums and come up with a list of each teams (Top 15) preferred pick as of the last two week. Thought the results were interesting (Lots of Fears love; little Kon love):
DAL -- Flagg
SAS -- Harper
PHI -- Ace
CHA -- VJ
UTH -- Tre
WAS -- Fears
NOP -- Fears
BKN -- Maluach
TOR -- Queen
HOU -- Fears
POR -- Jakucionis
CHI -- Demin
ATL -- Bryant
SAS -- Fleming (that's thanks to you turds; Bryant is the obvious choice)
OKC -- Essengue
Mr. Body
06-11-2025, 12:52 PM
Some latest intel:
- Maxey flew in for Edgecombe's visit to Philadelphia, suggesting he is strongly considered for the #3 pick.
- Atlanta may be trying hard to move up in the draft to secure Maluach.
Mr. Body
06-11-2025, 03:28 PM
More news that Philly is focusing on VJ at the #3, either for themselves or maybe signaling to a team to jump up a few spots to ensure they get him.
I do think he's a good fit for them and have him or Johnson as #3 on my list. With Maxey and McCain chucking away, he can play off ball and add some defensive dynamism.
scott
06-13-2025, 08:29 PM
I actually disagree a little bit on the fit for VJ in Philly, but just like the Spurs and Harper if the Sixers see VJ as clearly the best guy, then they should just take him.
Mr. Body
06-19-2025, 10:51 AM
I guess we now have Bailey refusing to go to Philadelphia at 3. He wants an immediate pathway to stardom, supposedly.
Flagg
Harper
Edgecombe - presumably, to the Sixers. I think that's a good fit.
Charlotte is in a weird spot. Maluach, in case Mark Williams goes down again, or to trade Williams? Tre Johnson to give them another shooter? Knueppel, to give them a player who actually cares about structured basketball? Word is a lottery pick has refused to work out for them. Who was it?
Utah then has to see who is left. Tre Johnson seems like the best pick here, I guess?
And who dares pick up Ace Bailey if he falls? Washington? Brooklyn?
WAS would be thrilled to have Ace if he falls to 6. And i think Ace would be happy with the fit too since hell have a lot of touches. Dont see him getting past them, tbh.
To me the Top 7 are set in some order. I'm still most confused about Brooklyn at 8. That's where the draft really starts.
scott
06-19-2025, 09:05 PM
WAS would be thrilled to have Ace if he falls to 6. And i think Ace would be happy with the fit too since hell have a lot of touches. Dont see him getting past them, tbh.
To me the Top 7 are set in some order. I'm still most confused about Brooklyn at 8. That's where the draft really starts.
To the contrary, seeing reports that WAS is not enamored with Ace and they are "locked in" on Fears.
jesterbobman
06-19-2025, 09:22 PM
Feels like Washington was a primary initiator, as their recent high picks are off ball options - Bilal / Sarr etc. For them, I think the debate is between hybrid who can do a bit alongside another initiator or Fears and give him the reins to the offense.
There will always be guys who pop up in the future, but next year looks thin at PG at the top (https://nbadraftroom.com/2026-nba-mock-draft/ currently has no PG in the top 10). Can understand Fears with that context.
To the contrary, seeing reports that WAS is not enamored with Ace and they are "locked in" on Fears.
I doubt it. Think they’d be thrilled with Ace or Tre. They’ve been aggressive seeking to move up (including calling Spurs for 2), and I highly doubt they’d for Fears lol.
https://youtu.be/NGMGZ5dvVu8?feature=shared
Feels like Washington was a primary initiator, as their recent high picks are off ball options - Bilal / Sarr etc. For them, I think the debate is between hybrid who can do a bit alongside another initiator or Fears and give him the reins to the offense.
There will always be guys who pop up in the future, but next year looks thin at PG at the top (https://nbadraftroom.com/2026-nba-mock-draft/ currently has no PG in the top 10). Can understand Fears with that context.
I live in the area. They are incredibly high on Bub as their PG of the future. At 6 they are guaranteed one of Tre-VJ-Ace-Kon. Utah will Utah at take Kon, so really they can get one of Tre-Ace-VJ. They’re not passing that up at 6.
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