Spurs Seeking Fan Input on 14th Pick Between Bryant and Fleming

[Dejounte]

The Spurs organization called me last night. They said, “Dejounte, we’ve narrowed down our choices to two players for the 14th pick. It’s between Carter Bryant and Rasheer Fleming. It’s a coin flip, so what we want you to do is create a poll on your forum, SpursTalk, and whoever wins that poll will be the player we select on draft night.”

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm going with Bryant, the 3/4 archetype is more valuable than the 4/5 one.

I've liked Fleming a lot but the more I watched him towards the end of the season the more I saw him as a true big, who isn't nimble enough to defend wings, so he's gone down my board significantly.

[mo7888]

Bryant

[SpursBills]

Was literally about to post this exact same question in the draft thread yesterday!

My gut says Bryant, but I can't actually find a good reason for why I feel this way so hoping I'll find some answers in this thread.

[rankingtear]

I bet nobody knows what college Fleming goes to without googling it.

[Dejounte]

Siakam was helpless against Towns last night, and that’s exactly what concerns me about drafting a less-than-bulky player to play the PF spot. Rasheer, with his strength and wingspan, might be more of a deterrent and could at least slow him down.

It’s not just about Towns— I’m not basing this choice solely on him. There are plenty of bigs around the league who could dominate our lineups if we don’t have someone besides Wemby who can hold his ground in the post.

[Uriel]

Will Bryant even be available at 14?

[Dejounte]

Will Bryant even be available at 14?

If he won’t be, then there will be a better player than him that gets pushed down.

[couchman]

It depends on what we think we’re getting in free agency.
We need a big more than we need a wing, so if we aren’t excited about free agents we take Fleming (or Sorber).
If we have Steven Adams looking likely to sign then BPA.
I rate Bryant a smidge over Fleming right now.

[Truckules]

If I were going only on scouting alone, I'd probably go Fleming as I do have more concerns about Bryant's offense at the next level compared to Fleming right now. I think both will be good to great defenders after a couple seasons. Ultimately, I voted Bryant only due to him being younger and higher ranked out of high school as those tend to indicate some untapped potential.

[ginobilized]

My gut says that the Spurs might not be that high on either of them at 14.

Raynaud/Sorber/wildcard player would be my guess as to the Spurs Big Board.

Between these two, I'd go with Bryant, but, barely. He's a much longer term project and would have a lot to learn. I think the Spurs would pick the player with the highest IQ/motor combo between those two. Fleming has the physical tools, but, it's unclear how good a basketball player he can become.

[Dex]

With the 14th pick in the 2025 NBA Draft, the San Antonio Spurs select Whatshisname Whoeverthatis

[The Truth #6]

Bryant is probably the better player in the end, and seems like a Wright guy, so I don't think the Spurs are high on Fleming. But I would go Fleming unless they see concerns we as fans don't see, meaning personality issues or character issues.

[LeBowen]

It's the archetype we need, I'm not competent enough to claim which one will be the better player.
Fleming's measurements are impressive and his shot looks solid, I guess if I had to choose I'd go with him.

[KobesAchilles]

I have never heard of Fleming before this thread :lol. Did the guy ever face good competition? Bc in my 15 minute YouTube video it was him against shitty private school teams.

Also I really want a role player with the 14th pick who will just shoot the corner 3 and play defense. I think that is Bryant since he was fine coming off the bench in Arizona he will be fine coming off the bench for us. And with Wemby, Fox, Harper, and Castle I don’t see a version of our 14th pick ever being a focal point on offense so I’m not worried about his lack of offensive moveset. Do they move well without the ball? Are they good at catch and shoot? And can they play solid defense? That’s all that matters to me. Bryant seemed quicker on his feet than Fleming so hypothetically he can guard guards better. We can always sign a bruiser big like Kornet to help out Wemby with the interior defense

[CGD]

I have never heard of Fleming before this thread :lol. Did the guy ever face good competition? Bc in my 15 minute YouTube video it was him against shitty private school teams.

Also I really want a role player with the 14th pick who will just shoot the corner 3 and play defense. I think that is Bryant since he was fine coming off the bench in Arizona he will be fine coming off the bench for us. And with Wemby, Fox, Harper, and Castle I don’t see a version of our 14th pick ever being a focal point on offense so I’m not worried about his lack of offensive moveset. Do they move well without the ball? Are they good at catch and shoot? And can they play solid defense? That’s all that matters to me. Bryant seemed quicker on his feet than Fleming so hypothetically he can guard guards better. We can always sign a bruiser big like Kornet to help out Wemby with the interior defense

People are definitely overrating the crap out of him on this forum. He’s an early 20s pick.

[LeBowen]

People are definitely overrating the crap out of him on this forum. He’s an early 20s pick.

What does that even mean? That an early 20s pick can bust and we shouldn't care? But a late lottery pick is so much valuable and has to hit?
If we're talking 3-D forwards still in the playoffs, McDaniels was 29th pick, Dort was undrafted and OG Anunoby was 23rd pick.

Getting a player of their level would be amazing value for us, who cares if we use a 14th pick on someone who doesn't have all-star ceiling, as long as they're a high end role player.
With that said, I have no clue which 3-D prospect in this draft will be the best player, I just hope Spurs scouting department does.

[SpursFan86]

Carter Bryant somewhat comfortably IMO. Think he’s knocking right on the door of being a top 10 prospect in this draft so getting him at 14 would be great. 3&D low-usage wing is exactly what we need given the rest of our roster and assuming we take Harper at 2.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Asa Newell

But the debate is essentially McNeeley (better shooter, worse defender) vs. Carter (better defender, so so shooter, tremendous athlete).

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Fleming! Because:

1. Fleming can carve a role in 2nd half of the first year; Carter would take 2 to 3 years.

2. Fleming fits Spurs the best. Shoot open 3s; defend post; rebound; occasionally defend perimeter; Fast break partner; can play back up center.

3. Carter talks a lot and may social a lot; Fleming is quiet and will be a gym rat, like Kawhi.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Fleming! Because:

1. Fleming can carve a role in 2nd half of the first year; Carter would take 2 to 3 years.

2. Fleming fits Spurs the best. Shoot open 3s; defend post; rebound; occasionally defend perimeter; Fast break partner; can play back up center.

3. Carter talks a lot and may social a lot; Fleming is quiet and will be a gym rat, like Kawhi.

disregard - retracted

[scottspurs]

Picked Fleming because he is higher on my board (only by 4). I feel like with Fleming you know what you are getting. With Bryant it’s more of a project and although he has higher upside he also has a lower floor. Spurs recent performance with projects is not good. Even if Fleming’s shot doesn’t project to the NBA he will bring defense and rebounding. You can find use for him regardless. Bryant won’t contribute until year 2 at the earliest and he doesn’t provide the skill the Spurs need the most. Rebounding. He could be dollar store Tatum but he could also be Luka Samancic. I’ll trust my instincts and say he is more of an athlete than a basketball player

[scottspurs]

Also go watch Carter Bryant’s tape vs Cooper Flagg. It’s not pretty. Got benched. Against normal college players he showed defensive prowess. Against NBA talent he looked lost. Fleming didn’t face the toughest of competition but that wingspan is going to make up for a lot.

[jjspur]

Unless its Cooper Flagg, no draft pick will replace our starters, at least not immediately so at 14 you look for the best available player that would make a really good backup. If Sorber is there, you take him. He could be a backup on day 1. A lot of guys mentioned are good, but a bit of a reach at 14.

If possible I'd trade down a few spots, pick up a future asset or player and then select Bryant or Flemming, just not at 14.

[itzsoweezee]

Tough one. Fleming’s measurements are absurd. But Bryant seems like the better athlete.

[John B]

The Spurs organization called me last night. They said, “Dejounte, we’ve narrowed down our choices to two players for the 14th pick. It’s between Carter Bryant and Rasheer Fleming. It’s a coin flip, so what we want you to do is create a poll on your forum, SpursTalk, and whoever wins that poll will be the player we select on draft night.”

I’d be okay with either pick, and a backup C at #38. Hopefully Reynaud falls all the way but I doubt it. Then I’d take a very safe pick Broome or Goldin for my backup C.

[Chinook]

I bet nobody knows what college Fleming goes to without googling it.

I went to school in Philly, so I know all about St Joes. I would think of it long before San Diego State, for example. I legit don't know what school Bryant goes to.

[Duncan2177]

I would go with either Bryant or Sorber.

[John B]

Carter is the better athlete at 39’ vertical (2nd best), a comp of Trey Murphy or Trevor Ariza if he pans out. While Fleming can be either Eason or better Naz Reid, older but could be huge for our defense and rebounding. Fleming seems to have an edge since Spurs still have Champ who is very young and coming along.

[Dejounte]

Tightest race in SpursTalk history?

[RC_Drunkford]

Bryant has the higher ceiling, Fleming would be contributing sooner. I'm fine with both, but would draft Sorber before either one.

[RC_Drunkford]

I have never heard of Fleming before this thread :lol. Did the guy ever face good competition? Bc in my 15 minute YouTube video it was him against shitty private school teams.

Also I really want a role player with the 14th pick who will just shoot the corner 3 and play defense. I think that is Bryant since he was fine coming off the bench in Arizona he will be fine coming off the bench for us. And with Wemby, Fox, Harper, and Castle I don’t see a version of our 14th pick ever being a focal point on offense so I’m not worried about his lack of offensive moveset. Do they move well without the ball? Are they good at catch and shoot? And can they play solid defense? That’s all that matters to me. Bryant seemed quicker on his feet than Fleming so hypothetically he can guard guards better. We can always sign a bruiser big like Kornet to help out Wemby with the interior defense

19 points, 5 boards, 3 blocks against Villanova


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVGTNpkgeio

16 points, 20 boards, 3 assists, 3 steals, 3 blocks against the Longhorns. Flat out dominating on defense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5MRN89Kkgg

[BackHome]

Yeah, but look at his stats for the whole month of March Madness his shooting took a huge dive which is concerning. But they are both close though I don’t think either will see much time the first year barring a serious injury to a starter.

[spursparker9]

tbh Spurs will trade this pick to some other team for 2050 pick

[John B]

I guess having Champ makes Bryant’s development in 2-3 years okay. While Fleming could play backup on day one.

I don’t hate either pick. Sorber is still my choice at 14. While I see Reynaud has the French Connection and also a very high ceiling if he pans out. But I’d still be excited if it’s my boy Wolf.

I see this draft being very deep for role players (or even possibly AS steal) that the Spurs can replace some end of the roster players, Branham, Bassey. I’m for using all 3 picks, both to address some rebounding and post defense, while also taking over-the-fence swing. Having multiple future picks and swaps, I think they can afford the risk(s) to audition possible big swing/high rewards players and see who stick.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

tbh Spurs will trade this pick to some other team for 2050 pick

And 6 months later trade this 2050 pick for a disgruntled all-star? Sign me up for this tbh.

[Dverde]

I’d rather go with Fleming, the project with more size. I believe the Spurs are about to extend Sochan and Barnes. There won’t be many minutes so I would go with long term upside for the current roster construction.

[MarCowMar]

Can you ask them what is the best trade offer we have for the pick currently and add that as a third option?

[BatManu20]

Carter and I don't think it's particularly close tbh.

[CGD]

This Fleming talk is making me wonder what ever happened to Spurs legend James Gist.

[Uriel]

Bryant is #7 on timvp's big board. Fleming isn't even ranked.

[KingKev]

Punted for a 20132 FRP and SRP

[Dejounte]

Bryant is #7 on timvp's big board. Fleming isn't even ranked.

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-1-2024-nba-draft/

timvp had Robert Dillingham as his #1. Cody Williams as his #4. Topic as his #6. Jaylen Wells was a runner up for ROY and he wasn’t on his list. Neither was Jared McCain. Some of y’all need to stop worshipping your idols, smh.

[scott]

Bryant is #7 on timvp's big board. Fleming isn't even ranked.

timvp has Hugo Gonzalez at 14th on the his big board.

Maybe it's time we recognize that timvp ain't putting forth much effort these days.

[KobesAchilles]

timvp has Hugo Gonzalez at 14th on the his big board.

Maybe it's time we recognize that timvp ain't putting forth much effort these days.
I still a believer of Hugo :lol

[BatManu20]

timvp has Hugo Gonzalez at 14th on the his big board.

Maybe it's time we recognize that timvp ain't putting forth much effort these days.

:lol

[lefty20]

No idea who these chaps are. But I'll take the good one.

Hope that helps, cheers m8.

[rascal]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-1-2024-nba-draft/

timvp had Robert Dillingham as his #1. Cody Williams as his #4. Topic as his #6. Jaylen Wells was a runner up for ROY and he wasn’t on his list. Neither was Jared McCain. Some of y’all need to stop worshipping your idols, smh.

Reed Sheppard over Castle: Fail

[baseline bum]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-1-2024-nba-draft/

timvp had Robert Dillingham as his #1. Cody Williams as his #4. Topic as his #6. Jaylen Wells was a runner up for ROY and he wasn’t on his list. Neither was Jared McCain. Some of y’all need to stop worshipping your idols, smh.

That was back when Dillingham was thought to be 176 lbs and not the Trae Young esque 164 he measured at the combine.

[Atl Spur]

I’d go Fleming.

[PhantomDashCam]

Damn was hoping I was going to get a call from them. I gave them the inside track on key Spur starters in Forbes, Cunningham and Centrepiece KB.

[Ariel]

I'd consider both, but I have Carter Bryant higher for a few reasons, the most important of which is that I see more potential for growth for Bryant, has shown more flashes of passing upside he might develop some on ball game. Fleming's length is enticing but he looks pretty much capped at energy guy as a "stretch" 4, and by that I mean I don't fully trust a one season outlier sample, plenty of examples of regressing to the mean. Also Bryant looks more fluid to Fleming's gangly style. With that said, both could end up valuable contributors if the shot is real, but neither I feel so confident in that I would pay to move up or stay put if Spurs got a nice offer (say, 14 for 16 + 25 or 19 + 26)

[RC_Drunkford]

at this point I'd give Carter the edge, because of upside. Dude played on a team where the starters played 3-5 years in college and was their best defender. Worked three times a day on speeding up his shot release and is a great communicator on defense. He also seems to be the higher IQ guy between the 2.

[exstatic]

Pop called me personally, and I told him they should probably flip the pick for future assets.

[CorrectCrusader]

Fleming! Because:

1. Fleming can carve a role in 2nd half of the first year; Carter would take 2 to 3 years.

2. Fleming fits Spurs the best. Shoot open 3s; defend post; rebound; occasionally defend perimeter; Fast break partner; can play back up center.

3. Carter talks a lot and may social a lot; Fleming is quiet and will be a gym rat, like Kawhi.

Carter fills a need right now, a SF/PF who can shoot & defend at a high level.

[thOOdee]

This Fleming talk is making me wonder what ever happened to Spurs legend James Gist.

Was thinking the exact same thing. Remember being pumped about adding the length… and then crickets.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-1-2024-nba-draft/

timvp had Robert Dillingham as his #1. Cody Williams as his #4. Topic as his #6. Jaylen Wells was a runner up for ROY and he wasn’t on his list. Neither was Jared McCain. Some of y’all need to stop worshipping your idols, smh.

Yes. We are just fans.

Even FO managers miss.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Pop called me personally, and I told him they should probably flip the pick for future assets.

The more I look at the prospects, the more I feel this happens.

There is basically no one who can help us win championship in 2 years.

But this is how close we are after the sudden arrival of Castle, Fox and Harper.

[Seventyniner]

This Fleming talk is making me wonder what ever happened to Spurs legend James Gist.

You left off a few exclamation points.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/rNniMOctM4k?si=6RSy6H64HIfvl3QX

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/FDNtFQ0y9WI?si=ebsx95tCGhqrd7U7

[scott]

Pop called me personally, and I told him they should probably flip the pick for future assets.

Unfortunately, Pop forgot the conversation ever happened before he could communicate it to RC or Brian. Hope you sent in a memo.

[scottspurs]

Honestly I would rather use the 14th pick to trade for Kevin Durant rather than draft a project like Carter Bryant. I want to win. Tired of losing. Not a huge fan of trading for Durant but would take that over a project. Someone who can contribute this year.

[scottspurs]

Vassell and pick 14 for Durant and Ryan Dunn > Carter Bryant hopefully being developed

[Dejounte]

Yes bring on Durant if that’s all that gets him.

[spurraider21]

yeah, Vassell + keldon + 14 should be the offer

no shot Suns would include Dunn as a throw-in though. there's a chance they'd want to offload Grayson Allen but that would require quite a but more salary

[Guru of Nothing]

Vassell and pick 14 for Durant and Ryan Dunn > Carter Bryant hopefully being developed

I might give up that for Dunn alone (of course salaries must match). The big knock on Dunn as a rookie last year was his shot, and lo and behold, it looks like it could develop. Cherry picking his last 17 games, he shot just 32.7%, but the volume was healthy (5.7 att/gm). ... 32 of 98, including streaks of 8 and 4 of games with 2 or more 3's made. ... I'm just looking at stats. Don't have much in the way of personal observations.

No pressure, Jeremy.

[spurraider21]

they're basically the top 2 on my board for who is expected at 14 so id be happy either way. but personally i'd gamble w/ fleming

[scottspurs]

yeah, Vassell + keldon + 14 should be the offer

no shot Suns would include Dunn as a throw-in though. there's a chance they'd want to offload Grayson Allen but that would require quite a but more salary


yeah I went to the trade machine and realized Kevin Durant makes $51 million next season lmao! Vassell and Keldon for Durant would make sense because that clears cap space for a loaded 2026 free agent class. Durant and Barnes would almost be $70 million coming off the books. I would rather have that 2026 cap space than draft Carter Bryant. Signing up for another 4 years of a Wesley/Branham level project is not the way.

[cutewizard]

Revisiting this hmmm

[onechance87]

We could of got both if we really wanted to.Will be for sure revisting this in the future.

[Ariel]

If the shot is real (which Spurs could have a better chance at figuring out in a workout) then Rasheer Fleming is a role player Spurs could have used and landed for relatively cheap (38 + 2/3 SRPs), I would have liked the Spurs to take a flyer on him, but I understand them choosing otherwise if they have other targets lined up in free agency / trades (Aldama, LaRavia, Collins, etc).