Spurs Showing Interest in Kristaps Porzingis (UPDATE: Porzingis Traded to the Atlanta Hawks)

[BatManu20]

Per Jake Fisher. Zingus is an expiring contract this year so he'd need an extension if the Spurs were to trade for him. Due $30.7M this season.

Boston might be trying to get him off the books as they're still over the 2nd apron right now.

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[Leetonidas]

What is up with this dudes mysterious illness? Does he have long COVID or something? Because he's already injury prone and this is just another issue for him

I do think he would be perfect as a backup for Victor though and SA could manage his load throughout the season. If we can dump the friendship crew for him I'm all for it. He's on the last year of his deal next season and could free up some space for us next summer

[Spursfanfromafar]

Per Jake Fisher.

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I have been saying this was a no-brainer. The only hitch is whether Porzingis will recover quickly from his post-viral syndrome issues. The Spurs have good doctors to advise them though.

[John B]

Wemby 7’6 and Porzingis 7’2 starting front court? Damn

[LeBowen]

Per Jake Fisher.

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I doubt Celtics want Devin after getting Simons.
We'd need to send out $23.25M to make the trade legal, Celtics obviously want cap relief.

Barnes+Branham or Wesley works.
We could also do Keldon+Branham+Wesley.

[Leetonidas]

Barnes/Branham for KP works tbh

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs have liked Porzingis for a long time. He was even a part of a supposed feud between the Spurs and Knicks FOs at one time. He's probably going to be cheap so the stars are aligning. His illness is a huge question mark, he was a walking corpse by the end of the season.

Another issue is that Boston need to get below the 2nd apron, and ideally below the tax too, and they're running out of contracts to do so. Porzingis for a Barnes + Branham package works and saves Boston some money, but not nearly enough. Beyond that they have to rely on sending Hauser into a TE, then White, Brown. They're running out of contracts to spin. Simons could theoretically be on the move once more.

[RC_Drunkford]

would be a smart move, as long as he's healthy again. Would also make it easier for Jeremy to play.

[TimDunkem]

We would easily have the best C rotation in the league, but what is going on with his health?

[BatManu20]

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[Spursfanfromafar]

One way to do this deal is like this -

Spurs to Celtics - Malaki Branham and the 38th pick
Celtics to Spurs - Porzingis and the 28th pick
Spurs to Nets - Barnes, Keldon and the 14th pick
Nets to Spurs - Cam Johnson

This way, the Nets retain their picks and get the 14th one as well. They can try using the 8th and 14th to move up the draft or combine the 19th, 26th and 27th for future picks/ their preferred target.

The Spurs get Porzingis and can choose one among talent ranging from Rasheer Fleming to Ryan Kalkbrenner to Maxime Raynaud to Will Riley among others in the 27-30th pick range.

The Celtics get below the second apron by trading Porzingis and maybe even below the first apron ($2.78 million for its FRP + $30.73 million for Porzingis = $33.51 million - $4.9 million (for Branham) = $28.6 million.. that is just below the $29.9 million it needs to get below the first apron). It allows them to lose some salary for what is clearly going to a gap year with Tatum's injury and retool for later.

The Spurs get Porzingis and Cam Johnson to augment their frontcourt (Stretch wing/ SF/PF in the case of Johnson and shot blocking stretch 5/4 in Porzingis to back up Wemby). Branham is redundant for the Spurs with a strong guard rotation in Fox, Harper, Castle and Vassell.

[LeBowen]

would be a smart move, as long as he's healthy again. Would also make it easier for Jeremy to play.

He's never healthy.
Played more than 60 games once since 2017.


Another issue is that Boston need to get below the 2nd apron, and ideally below the tax too, and they're running out of contracts to do so. Porzingis for a Barnes + Branham package works and saves Boston some money, but not nearly enough. Beyond that they have to rely on sending Hauser into a TE, then White, Brown. They're running out of contracts to spin. Simons could theoretically be on the move once more.

Can they keep trading down if we're talking salaries?
As in they take $23M from us and shed $7M from the salary cap, then they move Barnes and his $19M for someone even cheaper?
Same goes for Simons.

[onechance87]

Im pretty sure they gonna want a 1st round pick or there swap back that we have with them.
No way i do that for someone who cant stay healthy.

[LeBowen]

Im pretty sure they gonna want a 1st round pick or there swap back that we have with them.
No way i do that for someone who cant stay healthy.

They're desperate to move below 2nd apron in order to not have their pick frozen.
They moved Jrue, the only other players they can and want to move are Porzingis and Hauser.
They don't want to also lose Pritchard or one of White/Brown.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Can they keep trading down if we're talking salaries?
As in they take $23M from us and shed $7M from the salary cap, then they move Barnes and his $19M for someone even cheaper?
Same goes for Simons.

Theoretically they can keep wheeling and dealing contracts, but for as long as they're above the aprons they'll have the corresponding trade restrictions. Sounds more like a video game plan, not a real life one.

[baseline bum]

Not interested unless (1) someone is taking Vassell's contract and (2) the Spurs aren't extending him. Don't want to trade Barnes for this China doll.

[ace3g]

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[RC_Drunkford]

He's never healthy.
Played more than 60 games once since 2017.



Can they keep trading down if we're talking salaries?
As in they take $23M from us and shed $7M from the salary cap, then they move Barnes and his $19M for someone even cheaper?
Same goes for Simons.

I know. I'm just saying from whatever he had in the playoffs. He'll be a bench player here and get plenty of load management. We'll probably still draft a big.


One way to do this deal is like this -

Spurs to Celtics - Malaki Branham and the 38th pick
Celtics to Spurs - Porzingis and the 28th pick
Spurs to Nets - Barnes, Keldon and the 14th pick
Nets to Spurs - Cam Johnson

This way, the Nets retain their picks and get the 14th one as well. They can try using the 8th and 14th to move up the draft or combine the 19th, 26th and 27th for future picks/ their preferred target.

The Spurs get Porzingis and can choose one among talent ranging from Rasheer Fleming to Ryan Kalkbrenner to Maxime Raynaud to Will Riley among others in the 27-30th pick range.

The Celtics get below the second apron by trading Porzingis and maybe even below the first apron ($2.78 million for its FRP + $30.73 million for Porzingis = $33.51 million - $4.9 million (for Branham) = $28.6 million.. that is just below the $29.9 million it needs to get below the first apron). It allows them to lose some salary for what is clearly going to a gap year with Tatum's injury and retool for later.

The Spurs get Porzingis and Cam Johnson to augment their frontcourt (Stretch wing/ SF/PF in the case of Johnson and shot blocking stretch 5/4 in Porzingis to back up Wemby). Branham is redundant for the Spurs with a strong guard rotation in Fox, Harper, Castle and Vassell.

why would you trade Keldon, Barnes and #14 for Cam Johnson? I don't get the affection with this dude. You can do the whole trade without the Brooklyn part. John Collins, PJ Washington and Santi Aldama are out there on the market for second round picks and matching salary.

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm not interested. Dude can't stay on the court & is getting older.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not the worst gamble if the Spurs want to clean house. When it doesn't work out, there could be some net money saved.

From just a player standpoint I'd rather sign Kornet.

[montgod]

PaulGarciaNBA just posted that Spurs have had exploratory talks but not interested/not moving forward at this time so maybe Boston is asking for too much. (paraphrasing since I don't have access to X to post exact verbiage)

[Spursfanfromafar]

I know. I'm just saying from whatever he had in the playoffs. He'll be a bench player here and get plenty of load management. We'll probably still draft a big.



why would you trade Keldon, Barnes and #14 for Cam Johnson? I don't get the affection with this dude. You can do the whole trade without the Brooklyn part. John Collins, PJ Washington and Santi Aldama are out there on the market for second round picks and matching salary.

Its Keldon, Barnes, #14 for Cam Johnson, Porzingis and the 28th pick.

I think Johnson is a perfect fit for a frontcourt that has Sochan and Wemby in it. He is a very accurate 3 point shooter, a capable role player who always excelled in the Suns team and has improved as a player over time rather than being typecast as a catch and shoot 3 & D player.

I like PJ Washington Jr too. But I dont think the idiot GM of the Mavericks wants to trade him to us. And Collins, I suspect will opt-in and remain with the Jazz while the Grizzlies are clearing cap space to retain Aldama as well.

Getting Porzingis obviates the need to get Collins (who is more of a low calories player, IMO).

Thats my thinking.

Lastly, doing the trade with the Nets incentivizes the Celtics to get below the 2nd and even the 1st apron much more easily. It makes a win-win-win for all three teams (although it leaves the Nets with too many FRPs in the same year!).

[Raven]

he looked washed, but he is intriguing at least

[Dverde]

Brook Lopez is older but played in more games the last two seasons. I’d rather get him and pay 1/3 of the salary.

[Bruno]

Trading Barnes and one of Wesley or Branham for Porzingis would be a decent trade. After that, Spurs could add Yabusele via FA.

[Jordan Jackson]

Don’t believe it.

Based on the interview RC Buford just did with L’Equipe - which I’m sure someone will post soon - no one is going anywhere.

They just trotted out Keldon Johnson and Barnes for a sponsorship presentation. Sochan and Vassell are tweeting up a storm. I think they were told they are safe.

I could be wrong but we getting the band back together whether ya like it or not.

[CGD]

One way to do this deal is like this -

Spurs to Celtics - Malaki Branham and the 38th pick
Celtics to Spurs - Porzingis and the 28th pick
Spurs to Nets - Barnes, Keldon and the 14th pick
Nets to Spurs - Cam Johnson

This way, the Nets retain their picks and get the 14th one as well. They can try using the 8th and 14th to move up the draft or combine the 19th, 26th and 27th for future picks/ their preferred target.

The Spurs get Porzingis and can choose one among talent ranging from Rasheer Fleming to Ryan Kalkbrenner to Maxime Raynaud to Will Riley among others in the 27-30th pick range.

The Celtics get below the second apron by trading Porzingis and maybe even below the first apron ($2.78 million for its FRP + $30.73 million for Porzingis = $33.51 million - $4.9 million (for Branham) = $28.6 million.. that is just below the $29.9 million it needs to get below the first apron). It allows them to lose some salary for what is clearly going to a gap year with Tatum's injury and retool for later.

The Spurs get Porzingis and Cam Johnson to augment their frontcourt (Stretch wing/ SF/PF in the case of Johnson and shot blocking stretch 5/4 in Porzingis to back up Wemby). Branham is redundant for the Spurs with a strong guard rotation in Fox, Harper, Castle and Vassell.

This is the most creative Cam Johnson post I’ve seen in a while 9.2/10

[onechance87]

Don’t believe it.

Based on the interview RC Buford just did with L’Equipe - which I’m sure someone will post soon - no one is going anywhere.

They just trotted out Keldon Johnson and Barnes for a sponsorship presentation. Sochan and Vassell are tweeting up a storm. I think they were told they are safe.

I could be wrong but we getting the band back together whether ya like it or not.

well fck...

[Dverde]

Don’t believe it.

Based on the interview RC Buford just did with L’Equipe - which I’m sure someone will post soon - no one is going anywhere.

They just trotted out Keldon Johnson and Barnes for a sponsorship presentation. Sochan and Vassell are tweeting up a storm. I think they were told they are safe.

I could be wrong but we getting the band back together whether ya like it or not.

No way Malaki is on the opening day roster.

[Mugen]

Dude has long covid tbh

[Mr. Body]

No way Malaki is on the opening day roster.

Why wouldn't he be. He's still under contract. Don't people realize it costs to get rid of contracts and costs to re-fill those spots?

The core of this team is now Wemby-Castle-Harper-Fox. The team still needs role players, and that's what Harrison, Vassell, and Keldon are.

People really need to stop shitting themselves over this stuff.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby 7’6 and Porzingis 7’2 starting backcourt? Damn

FIFY

[Chinook]

Dude has long covid tbh

Yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize how bad that is. The Spurs can only take on Porzingas if they get something out of it. Like moving from 38 to 28 or saving on Johnson's last year. He may never play again or could come back and then randomly be unable to play for weeks at a time. It's not a winning move to bring him to lock down a rotation spot.

[BatManu20]

Porzingis' injury history scares me tbh. He's only played 60+ games 3 times in his 11-year career, and has only played 50+ games 6 times. That's a big red flag. And he's about to be on the wrong side of 30 in a couple months.

And all this before you mention that he apparently has long Covid that has given him respiratory issues and whatnot, forcing him to miss significant time last season. Doubt PATFO go this route the more I think about it tbh.

[DAF86]

This is the type of calculated risk the Spurs like to make. Trade for an expiring contract and maybe even get some draft compensation attached to it. If it works, it's a home run; if it doesn't, no big deal. Getting rid of Keldon would be a major plus too.

[SpurSpike]

Supposedly he is feeling well again.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/6/24/24454902/kristaps-porzingis-celtics-health-update-trade-rumors

[SpursFan86]

Don’t believe it.

Based on the interview RC Buford just did with L’Equipe - which I’m sure someone will post soon - no one is going anywhere.

They just trotted out Keldon Johnson and Barnes for a sponsorship presentation. Sochan and Vassell are tweeting up a storm. I think they were told they are safe.

I could be wrong but we getting the band back together whether ya like it or not.

Yep, starting to feel like this is exactly what's going to happen. Think we maybe use the MLE on a vet but that's about it. I'm not expecting any of Keldon/Barnes/Vassell/Sochan to be going anywhere, and it wouldn't surprise me if Branham/Wesley both stick around too.

[RC_Drunkford]

Its Keldon, Barnes, #14 for Cam Johnson, Porzingis and the 28th pick.

I think Johnson is a perfect fit for a frontcourt that has Sochan and Wemby in it. He is a very accurate 3 point shooter, a capable role player who always excelled in the Suns team and has improved as a player over time rather than being typecast as a catch and shoot 3 & D player.

I like PJ Washington Jr too. But I dont think the idiot GM of the Mavericks wants to trade him to us. And Collins, I suspect will opt-in and remain with the Jazz while the Grizzlies are clearing cap space to retain Aldama as well.

Getting Porzingis obviates the need to get Collins (who is more of a low calories player, IMO).

Thats my thinking.

Lastly, doing the trade with the Nets incentivizes the Celtics to get below the 2nd and even the 1st apron much more easily. It makes a win-win-win for all three teams (although it leaves the Nets with too many FRPs in the same year!).

you don’t seem to read stuff cause clearly reports are saying that Utah wants to trade Collins for a second round pick and the Grizzlies want to sign and trade Aldama to free up salary for a JJJ extension

[RC_Drunkford]

Don’t believe it.

Based on the interview RC Buford just did with L’Equipe - which I’m sure someone will post soon - no one is going anywhere.

They just trotted out Keldon Johnson and Barnes for a sponsorship presentation. Sochan and Vassell are tweeting up a storm. I think they were told they are safe.

I could be wrong but we getting the band back together whether ya like it or not.

fuck this front office

[itzsoweezee]

Nope

[RC_Drunkford]

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[SpursFan86]

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Alright, now we might be talking about something. Don Harris seems more plugged in than these random “beat writers” that often claim these things.

Porzingis’s health scares me but obviously could be a huge pickup if he manages to stay healthy. And if we’re just talking about giving up Barnes + Branham or something there’s not much risk.

[mudyez]

Rather give me Hordord

[baseline bum]

nm

[scottspurs]

Spurs trying to have that Wemby, Giannis, Porzingus, Maluach and Raynaud staring lineup. Makes perfect sense why they didn’t trade for Durant. He was to short. Sign Bol Bol and you have your 6-man rotation

[twodeep]

I know. I'm just saying from whatever he had in the playoffs. He'll be a bench player here and get plenty of load management. We'll probably still draft a big.



why would you trade Keldon, Barnes and #14 for Cam Johnson? I don't get the affection with this dude. You can do the whole trade without the Brooklyn part. John Collins, PJ Washington and Santi Aldama are out there on the market for second round picks and matching salary.

I like Cam Johnson but it would be something like Vassell and a 2nd rounder no way I give up an assets and 14th pick to the Nets

[John B]

FIFY

I know Wemby has guard skills but still considered Center/PF (front court) genius :lol:lol

[baseline bum]

I like Cam Johnson but it would be something like Vassell and a 2nd rounder no way I give up an assets and 14th pick to the Nets

Wouldn't mind trading Vassell and #14 for Cam and #26 and then taking Fleming.

[baseline bum]

John Collins, PJ Washington and Santi Aldama are out there on the market for second round picks and matching salary.

Link? Obviously I'd take that Collins or Washington over trading for Cam if all it costs is Vassell and seconds.

[rjv]

why are posters still using Fischer as a source?

[spurraider21]

i really like KP the player, but the medicals are screaming "dont do this"

i'd only try to swing something like this if we are sending Keldon, not Barnes. i know this wouldnt make sense for the celtics either since they'd be locked into a 2 year deal instead of 1... but thats the price to take on the risk of KP while on this salary and needing an extension

[spurraider21]

why are posters still using Fischer as a source?
is there a particular reason not to?

i havent really kept up with recent scorecards on all these guys

[rjv]

is there a particular reason not to?

i havent really kept up with recent scorecards on all these guys

tbh, he's just as meh as anyone else. shams and wendy don't add up to Woj but they're still the more reliable sources now. i guess ST just loves to generate hundreds of posts (or pages) for players who are more likely than not to ever put on a spurs uniform.

[vy65]

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[Jordan Jackson]

why are posters still using Fischer as a source?

Don Harris is saying now. So it might have some legs to it. Sounds like a salary dump by the Celtics - I can see the spurs doing that. They love shopping at the Dollar Tree for players.

[Ice009]

you don’t seem to read stuff cause clearly reports are saying that Utah wants to trade Collins for a second round pick and the Grizzlies want to sign and trade Aldama to free up salary for a JJJ extension


Link? Obviously I'd take that Collins or Washington over trading for Cam if all it costs is Vassell and seconds.

If that's all it's going to take, why aren't the Spurs in on that for Collins?


fuck this front office

Darn, this is a far cry from where you thought we might be a week ago with a bit of a shakeup. Not sure if your sources just weren't reliable, or if the Spurs did a 180 since then :(. Either way, I don't like it.

[BacktoBasics]

Unless there are assets attached this guy is a waste of time. His career is over.

[BatManu20]

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[RC_Drunkford]

If that's all it's going to take, why aren't the Spurs in on that for Collins?

I‘m asking myself the same question and I‘m fully prepared for this FO to prioritize the power of friendship instead and let him go to the Lakers

[spurraider21]

salary wise, Barnes/Keldon + Branham for KP works. saves boston a good bit of salary/tax this year. of course boston would prefer Barnes because he's also expiring, though Keldon is 1.5m cheaper this year which helps them out more in short term

[exstatic]

If that's all it's going to take, why aren't the Spurs in on that for Collins?





Collins has an opt out in a few days. Can’t do anything on that front until it’s resolved.

[NASpurs]

I can't take Don Harris serious as a source. Dude got into an argument with TSpence.

[LeBowen]

I‘m asking myself the same question and I‘m fully prepared for this FO to prioritize the power of friendship instead and let him go to the Lakers

I don't think Collins is that great of a fit for the Lakers.
You said it yourself he can't play C, but he's also too slow to play SF.
Lebron isn't going back to SF at 40.

[spurraider21]

I can't take Don Harris serious as a source. Dude got into an argument with TSpence.
:lol tbh

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[td4mvp2k]

if spurs determine he can stay healthy then it would be worth the risk if they give up peanuts

[SpursFan86]

I‘m asking myself the same question and I‘m fully prepared for this FO to prioritize the power of friendship instead and let him go to the Lakers

Not trying to continuously give you shit, but what happened to all of your “sources” who were talking about all the big moves the Spurs were planning to make this offseason? You went from acting like over half the team would be gone to now resigning to the fact that the Spurs won’t do anything :lol

[Bruno]

A trade for Porzingis would likely have this structure:
Spurs: Barnes and Wesley or Branham for Porzingis
Celtics: Porzingis for Barnes
Third team: Branham or Wesley for nothing.

The third team would get a second round pick to take Branham/Wesley salary.

With that trade, Celtics would lower they payroll by $11.7M. With Tatum out, Barnes would be quite useful to them too.

[LeBowen]

Not trying to continuously give you shit, but what happened to all of your “sources” who were talking about all the big moves the Spurs were planning to make this offseason? You went from acting like over half the team would be gone to now resigning to the fact that the Spurs won’t do anything :lol

They broke him, tbh.
By the opening night he'll be in full sniffer mode. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think Collins is that great of a fit for the Lakers.
You said it yourself he can't play C, but he's also too slow to play SF.
Lebron isn't going back to SF at 40.

yeah if LeBron plays PF he ain’t. But in general Collins at PF would fit with Luka since he’s a good roll man and lob threat. Would have to pair him with a stretch big in that case.

[mo7888]

A trade for Porzingis would likely have this structure:
Spurs: Barnes and Wesley or Branham for Porzingis
Celtics: Porzingis for Barnes
Third team: Branham or Wesley for nothing.

The third team would get a second round pick to take Branham/Wesley salary.

With that trade, Celtics would lower they payroll by $11.7M. With Tatum out, Barnes would be quite useful to them too.

Now expand that with Hauser to the Spurs with Branham or Wesley to the Celts. Throw #38 to Boston to grease the skids.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not trying to continuously give you shit, but what happened to all of your “sources” who were talking about all the big moves the Spurs were planning to make this offseason? You went from acting like over half the team would be gone to now resigning to the fact that the Spurs won’t do anything :lol

well that hinged on a KD trade since 2-3 players would‘ve been gone with that one. You make one more trade and you’re basically left with 6 players from last years team.

The intel of KD having the Spurs at the top of his list and being willing to take a paycut was obviously right. Those reports came out a lot later than when I mentioned them. The Spurs not making an offer at all was not on my list though.

[CGD]

tbh, he's just as meh as anyone else. shams and wendy don't add up to Woj but they're still the more reliable sources now. i guess ST just loves to generate hundreds of posts (or pages) for players who are more likely than not to ever put on a spurs uniform.

Aside from having the DJ trade, Marc Stein brought him on to his substack. that gives him some more cred in my book.

[LeBowen]

Now expand that with Hauser to the Spurs with Branham or Wesley to the Celts. Throw #38 to Boston to grease the skids.

Celtics can't aggregate contracts and send more than one player out in a trade while they're over the second apron.

[dn0774]

Porzingis has negative value, Spurs better treat him as such. I bet Boston is shopping him like he should fetch a 1st. If that is the case just hang up the phone.

[mo7888]

Celtics can't aggregate contracts and send more than one player out in a trade while they're over the second apron.

Yes, but it works as a secondary deal.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

well that hinged on a KD trade since 2-3 players would‘ve been gone with that one. You make one more trade and you’re basically left with 6 players from last years team.

The intel of KD having the Spurs at the top of his list and being willing to take a paycut was obviously right. Those reports came out a lot later than when I mentioned them. The Spurs not making an offer at all was not on my list though.

Jesus Christ :lmao

Shams's job is in danger.

[John B]

Collins has an opt out in a few days. Can’t do anything on that front until it’s resolved.

If John Collins would like to help his future team (assuming Spurs), would it be better to opt out and sign with the Spurs, or Spurs need to match salary through sign and trade?

I’m in the opinion that players would love to play with Wemby and what seems to be building up in Spurs.

[Chillen]

i don't want to give up Devin or Keldon to get this guy. Barnes and Branham yeah.

[LeBowen]

Yes, but it works as a secondary deal.

Would that even be legal? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that it wouldn't. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[rjv]

harris once used Dusty Garza as a source.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Would that even be legal? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that it wouldn't. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, it can work as a separate deal. But it would be easier for Boston to simply trade Hauser into a trade exception and not take a player back.

[mo7888]

Would that even be legal? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that it wouldn't. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

It would. It would be two separate trades.

[Chinook]

Celtics can't aggregate contracts and send more than one player out in a trade while they're over the second apron.

I was trying to multi quote. Boston can send out more than one player so long as they aren't combining their salaries. The Celtics aren't doing so here, so it's fine. The issue here is that the Spurs have to do these as separate deals so they can use the aggregation rules.

[Chinook]

Yes, it can work as a separate deal. But it would be easier for Boston to simply trade Hauser into a trade exception and not take a player back.

I wouldn't want the Spurs to burn their MLE on Hauser. The Spurs or Celtics should be able to find teams that would take Branham and/or Wesley for seconds. Boston could try them out to start the year and then dump them into unused MLEs for cheap around the deadline

[LeBowen]

Thanks for the answers, that makes the deal even more interesting.
I'd really like to get Hauser, imo a better option than LaRavia.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I wouldn't want the Spurs to burn their MLE on Hauser. The Spurs or Celtics should be able to find teams that would take Branham and/or Wesley for seconds. Boston could try them out to start the year and then dump them into unused MLEs for cheap around the deadline

Oh yeah I agree about Hauser to the Spurs. My point was that his contract is super easy to trade to make savings while bringing back actual value for Boston, because many teams have exceptions big enough to take him. So there might even be a bidding war for a decent player on a good contract, the Spurs 38th pick is unlikely to be enough.

[CGD]

This deal saves Boston $6.7M plus the savings of not having to sign a FRP:

BOS: Barnes + Branham + 28
SAS: KP + 28

Basically they’re paying 10 draft slots to swap expirings that save them a bunch of money. Spurs may even be able to get a little more out of it too.

[CGD]

^ meant 38 for 28

[T Park]

why are posters still using Fischer as a source?


Because he’s got good sources?

Dude had the Dejountse Murray trade first way before anyone else…

[T Park]

If Porzingis is healthy, he’s a terrific fit.

Keldon Branham etc for him works and I’d do it in a heartbeat.


At worst you clear out 30 million in salary for next year.

[Trueblood]

Yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize how bad that is. The Spurs can only take on Porzingas if they get something out of it. Like moving from 38 to 28 or saving on Johnson's last year. He may never play again or could come back and then randomly be unable to play for weeks at a time. It's not a winning move to bring him to lock down a rotation spot.

I would do this then make a run for Raynaud with 28

[rjv]

Because he’s got good sources?

Dude had the Dejountse Murray trade first way before anyone else…

i'm pretty sure it was our own LJ Ellis (hope all is well) who first got wind of that trade.

[itzsoweezee]

If Porzingis is healthy, he’s a terrific fit.


That is a gigantic If. The Celtics love tossing their injured players onto other teams.

[T Park]

harris once used Dusty Garza as a source.

Harris had the Fox trade and had the players involved before everyone else.

Garza not a part of his reporting

[T Park]

i'm pretty sure it was our own LJ Ellis (hope all is well) who first got wind of that trade.

Cool. Fischer was the first national guy.

Ahead of everyone elsen

[baseline bum]

A trade for Porzingis would likely have this structure:
Spurs: Barnes and Wesley or Branham for Porzingis
Celtics: Porzingis for Barnes
Third team: Branham or Wesley for nothing.

The third team would get a second round pick to take Branham/Wesley salary.

With that trade, Celtics would lower they payroll by $11.7M. With Tatum out, Barnes would be quite useful to them too.

Gross. Bare minimum I want a lightly protected first back to take Porzingis, and that's with them taking Keldons contract and not Barnes.

[baseline bum]

If Porzingis is healthy, he’s a terrific fit.

Keldon Branham etc for him works and I’d do it in a heartbeat.


At worst you clear out 30 million in salary for next year.

He's a China doll with long covid so at this point he is a negative asset. Boston has gotta throw the Spurs a first if they want us to rescue them from cap hell.

[objective]

This deal sounds terrible for a guy with his health problems who hasn't proven he's healthy, and given Boston's circumstances, Spurs better not be paying anything on top either, just straight cap relief.

I agree with others who say just sign Brook Lopez for the MLE.

IF a Porzingis deal should happen, it should be after he plays international games and proves he can play. Everyone feels great when they're hoping to play again. But then reality hits.

[baseline bum]

harris once used Dusty Garza as a source.

Nah Harris source there was Alvin Gentry whose son married Don's daughter or vice versa iirc. Harris isn't usually a good source but he had real info that time.

[rjv]

Harris had the Fox trade and had the players involved before everyone else.

Garza not a part of his reporting

harris had dusty on his podcast back in late January and then they both reported that a 4 team deal was imminent. dusty was also a guest on the WOAI podcast at that time.

https://x.com/SpursReporter/status/1885426794574303456

[Ocotillo]

Nah Harris source there was Alvin Gentry whose son married Don's daughter or vice versa iirc. Harris isn't usually a good source but he had real info that time.

Gentry married Don Harris' sister.

[poopbox]

Yeah I would need the spurs to do an EXTENSIVE health check on Porzingis before being ok with this trade. This dude just randomly got some illness that people were reporting just doing some light jogging had him out of breath at times.

[poopbox]

Spurs have liked Porzingis for a long time. He was even a part of a supposed feud between the Spurs and Knicks FOs at one time. He's probably going to be cheap so the stars are aligning. His illness is a huge question mark, he was a walking corpse by the end of the season.

Another issue is that Boston need to get below the 2nd apron, and ideally below the tax too, and they're running out of contracts to do so. Porzingis for a Barnes + Branham package works and saves Boston some money, but not nearly enough. Beyond that they have to rely on sending Hauser into a TE, then White, Brown. They're running out of contracts to spin. Simons could theoretically be on the move once more.

According to the Knicks it stemmed for when they were secretly trying to trade him, we tried to trade for him but they didn't want anything we had, and supposedly we leaked to Porzingis the knicks were shopping him.

Supposedly the knicks had been shopping him for awhile without him knowing and then after they rebuffed the spurs poof he magically knew he was being shopped and confronted the knicks front office about it.

[TD 21]

Setting aside the medical concern (they'd obviously have to feel at least fairly confident to do this), usual homerism/hand wringing (no reason for the Celtics to add if the cost is only Barnes, Branham and/or Wesley and a 2nd(s), since the Spurs aren't the only option) and questioning the credibility of the source (Harris not doing the usual dismissing, but actually the opposite, is noteworthy) and focusing strictly on fit.

Beyond the obvious (elite floor spacing/rim protection for 48 minutes at C, at least in the 50-60 games he'd probably play in a best case scenario), the starters would be bereft a big wing defender.

[scott]

If Tingus were magically healthy and 100%... a Fox/Harper/Castle/Tingus/Wemby lineup would be pretty interesting and fun.

Too many assumptions required here though...

I'd do Devin for Tingus's expiring, but I doubt BOS would.

[exstatic]

A trade for Porzingis would likely have this structure:
Spurs: Barnes and Wesley or Branham for Porzingis
Celtics: Porzingis for Barnes
Third team: Branham or Wesley for nothing.

The third team would get a second round pick to take Branham/Wesley salary.

With that trade, Celtics would lower they payroll by $11.7M. With Tatum out, Barnes would be quite useful to them too.

Every team has to contribute something outgoing in a trade. Team 3 can’t simply take the tiny contract and be done with it.

[RC_Drunkford]

Mr. "has shown interest"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuI4MAEXIAADwsp?format=jpg&name=small

[LeBowen]

Hawks have a $25M trade exception.

Could Celtics just take Branham and send Barnes to Atlanta?
Obviously some SRPs would be involved, but you get the idea.


Mr. "has shown interest"



Not going to lie, you're looking like an idiot with the 180 turnaround just because your extensive twitter and podcast following to gather inside info turned out to be one of the biggest Ls in the recent spurstalk history.

[tbdog]

Just seems like a weird player to go for and moving forward with him. I suppose it's more of the shooting the spurs like?

[scott]

Hawks have a $25M trade exception.

Could Celtics just take Branham and send Barnes to Atlanta?
Obviously some SRPs would be involved, but you get the idea.

Yes, but reports are that ATL is going to be aggressive with using their TPE to improve their team. But this is definitely one thing they could do (just rent out the cap space using the TPE).

Similarly, BKN is interesting because they can create massive TPE's for other teams. For example, they could just take PG13 into their capspace and create a massive TPE for PHI.

[T Park]

If Tingus were magically healthy and 100%... a Fox/Harper/Castle/Tingus/Wemby lineup would be pretty interesting and fun.

Too many assumptions required here though...

I'd do Devin for Tingus's expiring, but I doubt BOS would.


The trade would be Barnes cause he’s expiring, and whoever to match.

I can 100% see it done with Barnes

[scott]

The trade would be Barnes cause he’s expiring, and whoever to match.

I can 100% see it done with Barnes

I'm less interested in that. Part of the value for me is getting off Vassell's deal and having an expiring in Tingus (and potentially flip at the deadline). But that's also why I said I doubt BOS would. They don't want long term money. But I don't really want a broken Tingus either.

[poopbox]

i really like KP the player, but the medicals are screaming "dont do this"

i'd only try to swing something like this if we are sending Keldon, not Barnes. i know this wouldnt make sense for the celtics either since they'd be locked into a 2 year deal instead of 1... but thats the price to take on the risk of KP while on this salary and needing an extension

Might have to be Barnes since he has one year left on his deal and the Celtics are primarily focused on shedding money.

Saw some reports that they had better offers as far as players when it came to trading Jrue but they specifically wanted a player who had only 1 year on his deal or one year and a team option on his deal and Simons was one of the few who fit that criteria.

[TD 21]

Might have to be Barnes since he has one year left on his deal and the Celtics are primarily focused on shedding money.

Saw some reports that they had better offers as far as players when it came to trading Jrue but they specifically wanted a player who had only 1 year on his deal or one year and a team option on his deal and Simons was one of the few who fit that criteria.

Definitely. Of all the rumored teams interested, the Spurs are the only one who can offer not only expiring's, but a player who can be useful to the Celtics next season and possibly beyond too.

All things being relatively equal, the Celtics also owe the Spurs for the White heist.

[rjv]

i guess it's possible that the spurs would throw barnes out there, to be a part of the new logo reveal, while secretly working on a trade that he'd be involved in, but the optics tell me that they wouldn't be getting ready to trade Harrison if they had him out there today. same goes for Keldon.

[spurraider21]

Might have to be Barnes since he has one year left on his deal and the Celtics are primarily focused on shedding money.

Saw some reports that they had better offers as far as players when it came to trading Jrue but they specifically wanted a player who had only 1 year on his deal or one year and a team option on his deal and Simons was one of the few who fit that criteria.
i believe so as well. im reluctant to move barnes instead of KJ though. not just for contractual reasons, but because we actually sorely needed Barnes' shooting last year, and with Harper now joining Fox and Castle, theres even less need for KJ's game.

as some others have mentioned, barnes could also be an extension or re-signing candidate as a good vet to keep around

[T Park]

i guess it's possible that the spurs would throw barnes out there, to be a part of the new logo reveal, while secretly working on a trade that he'd be involved in, but the optics tell me that they wouldn't be getting ready to trade Harrison if they had him out there today. same goes for Keldon.


100% that’s more “who’s in town right now that people know” than anything

[scott]

100% that’s more “who’s in town right now that people know” than anything

Spurs also just took HB to Mexico along with RC for some press events... part of it was for HB unveiling some courts he funded (Because he's a good dude who gives back to the community) but they could have done that without RC or the Spurs IP attached...

Not saying HB isn't on the block... but it would seem out of character for the Spurs to be putting HB in these positions to just turn around and trade him.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1937640617162752219

[spurraider21]

Niang and one of Mann or OO gets it done salary wise while saving boston some money

both mann and OO have 3 years left on their deal (aka long term deals) though.

[spurraider21]

1937644159050866946

[spurraider21]

boom

1937644320070467798

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937644320070467798

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937644320070467798

[CGD]

Oh, forgot about that Atlanta TE. That makes a lot of sense.

[mo7888]

Porzingis to ATL...Boston under the 2nd apron

[Joseph Kony]

oh well. dude's injured constantly anyway. not gonna move the needle for the Hawks and wouldnt move it much for us either

[Mugen]

Hawks have a nice team if everyone is healthy tbh. But that's a big IF.

[benefactor]

Well that ended as quickly as it started

[Joseph Kony]

crazy, brooklyn has FIVE first rounders now :lol

[scottspurs]

Good lol but why does Brooklyn need 5 picks lol

[BatManu20]

Fucking Hawks of course :lol. If* they're healthy next season, that 2026 FRP that we own could wind up being shit.

[spurraider21]

nets will probably draft 3 players this year. the others might be spend on trade ups or just sent away for future picks

[TD 21]

How many more signs do people need to see to understand and accept that this league moves at a bullet train speed now, to stop being so precious with assets and timelines?

This front office has no excuses to not fix this team this off season. I don't want to hear about a healthy Wembaynama/Fox + Harper addition. The roster makes no sense and the league is too competitive for their usual continuity/cowardice act.

[spurraider21]

How many more signs do people need to see to understand and accept that this league moves at a bullet train speed now, to stop being so precious with assets and timelines?

This front office has no excuses to not fix this team this off season. I don't want to hear about a healthy Wembaynama/Fox + Harper addition. The roster makes no sense and the league is too competitive for their usual continuity/cowardice act.
seriously. we should go trade 3 first round picks for a star point guard

[Joseph Kony]

Boston will probably dump Hauser next. I wouldn't mind him as a bench sniper tbh

[baseline bum]

boom

1937644320070467798

Thank fucking god, did not want him here, and especially not at the cost of HB.

[Ice009]

seriously. we should go trade 3 first round picks for a star point guard

Could we get Trae Young to add to the team?

Seriously, though, do you guys think the Porzingis trade to Atlanta is going to make the Hawks picks worse?

[scott]

Well that ended as quickly as it started

7 pages is the new 100 pages (and thank god, tbh)

[Dverde]

Boston will probably dump Hauser next. I wouldn't mind him as a bench sniper tbh
They found two teams dumb enough to take their damaged goods cutting payroll. Hauser probably staying now.

[spurraider21]

Boston will probably dump Hauser next. I wouldn't mind him as a bench sniper tbh
branham for hauser actually works salary wise and saves boston some money. would cost some SRPs

[spurraider21]

Thank fucking god, did not want him here, and especially not at the cost of HB.
yeah if the cost was keldon and seconds id have been cool with it. i wouldnt want to move HB and definitely not a first

[baseline bum]

yeah if the cost was keldon and seconds id have been cool with it. i wouldnt want to move HB and definitely not a first

I'd want a lightly protected first back.

[Dex]

Well that ended as quickly as it started

How are we supposed to get to 100 pages like this? :madrun

[Joseph Kony]

branham for hauser actually works salary wise and saves boston some money. would cost some SRPs
i'd do that all day

[Mal]

6 pages before death

[TD 21]

seriously. we should go trade 3 first round picks for a star point guard

Congratulations! Something fell into their lap, time to revert to resting on their laurels.

Six season playoff drought and counting, more likely than not to be 7 (3 of which with the best prospect in 20 years), if the plan is run it back + Harper and backup C TBD.

Keep on keeping on!

[Blizzardwizard]

hopes of shedding a Friendship member dashed once again :cry


at this point i've accepted devin and keldon are playing their whole careers here. then being hired as assistants. then co-HCs. then co-GMs.

[CGD]

How did Atlanta have to give up value -- a FRP and Mann -- for KP's expiring? Anyway, I wasn't in love with the idea of him here.

[Atl Spur]

I guess I still get to see him play ! lol

[spurraider21]

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[BatManu20]

1937654932603306493

[spurraider21]

could see naz reid for them as well, though that may be too redundant with OO

[vy65]

That 26 swap could very well be worthless now

[BacktoBasics]

This helps are picks rather than hurt us. This guy is perpetuating injured and ATL moved a guy who actually produced nicely for them at the end of the season.

[Russ]

That 26 swap could very well be worthless now

I just bought a lotto ticket today for the first time in over a year.

That 26 swap could be the greatest thing ever!

[buttsR4rebounding]

Could we get Trae Young to add to the team?

Seriously, though, do you guys think the Porzingis trade to Atlanta is going to make the Hawks picks worse?

This summer will be huge for the Hawks. They have to decide whether to extend Trae. Do they want to pay him $229 million over 4 years? If they don't then they will be trading him. That's how the Spurs' draft capital will be maximized. It will likely take a year or 2 to transition.

[sfernald]

Okay who’s up next? Are we hitting the bottom of the barrel yet? Can we start a thread for John Collins lol.

[cd98]

DJM was one of the last picks in the draft when we got him. He has barely played the last few years since being traded. If the best we get is the 14 pick and then mid-tier first round pick next year and likely a swap (I think we'll still be better, though not clear by how much), we still do just fine. That's a lot of value for DJM.

[objective]

How many more signs do people need to see to understand and accept that this league moves at a bullet train speed now, to stop being so precious with assets and timelines?

This front office has no excuses to not fix this team this off season. I don't want to hear about a healthy Wembaynama/Fox + Harper addition. The roster makes no sense and the league is too competitive for their usual continuity/cowardice act.

In general I agree. I was pro Durant and am even more pro-John Collins. Also pro-PJ. And pro-Brook Lopez with the MLE

But I wasn't crazy about Porzingis with that illness and injury history. Guy couldn't even score double digits once in the second round this year. He missed 12 if their 19 playoff games in their title run including 2 missed finals games. Maybe I'm just too conservative with injuries. I could see Porzingis taping himself together for a contract year like usual only to get a new deal and go back to falling apart once he gets paid

But the Spurs do need a fire under them to go get some players and that 27 Hawks pick won't be worth much if Ressler has decided to spend money for the first time in his life.

[poopbox]

How many more signs do people need to see to understand and accept that this league moves at a bullet train speed now, to stop being so precious with assets and timelines?

This front office has no excuses to not fix this team this off season. I don't want to hear about a healthy Wembaynama/Fox + Harper addition. The roster makes no sense and the league is too competitive for their usual continuity/cowardice act.

Funny you mention this cause I remember a podcast I was listening to a few years ago and they had some guy who is an actual nba agent talking about how nba free agency over the next 10 years would mostly disappear. He said teams hate free agency because it's the only way in which the player has all the control and can pit teams against each other. Said nba teams think it's the most volatile way to obtain a player cause you are constantly offering more or less than what you think some other team did but you really don't know cause obviously you can't call a team to confirm that they really offered 50 when you only offered 40. He said what all nba teams are going to start doing is just resigning the players they want to keep and never letting them hit free agency or they will just trade for the players they want and then get a year to work out a new contract with them and that really the only players who ever hit free agency would be the players nobody wanted. Looks like he was right and we are watching it play out in real time now.

[Chinook]

In general I agree. I was pro Durant and am even more pro-John Collins. Also pro-PJ. And pro-Brook Lopez with the MLE

But I wasn't crazy about Porzingis with that illness and injury history. Guy couldn't even score double digits once in the second round this year. He missed 12 if their 19 playoff games in their title run including 2 missed finals games. Maybe I'm just too conservative with injuries. I could see Porzingis taping himself together for a contract year like usual only to get a new deal and go back to falling apart once he gets paid

But the Spurs do need a fire under them to go get some players and that 27 Hawks pick won't be worth much if Ressler has decided to spend money for the first time in his life.

It seems like even a moderately protected extra pick would have gotten it done on Durant. They might regret not doing that. The issue is Durant was a perfect fit. Now they shouldn't be offering the same package for another player. Guys like MPJ and Collins are fine, but not at the expense of a lotto pick. They shouldn't be the team that pays for Aldama or Hauser. This is a very good draft, and they actually need more young players with a future. It's okay to wait until the deadline to really be aggressive, but they should take advantage of the moveable contracts they have.

[exstatic]

crazy, brooklyn has FIVE first rounders now :lol

Four of them are garbage.

[objective]

It seems like even a moderately protected extra pick would have gotten it done on Durant. They might regret not doing that. The issue is Durant was a perfect fit. Now they shouldn't be offering the same package for another player. Guys like MPJ and Collins are fine, but not at the expense of a lotto pick. They shouldn't be the team that pays for Aldama or Hauser. This is a very good draft, and they actually need more young players with a future. It's okay to wait until the deadline to really be aggressive, but they should take advantage of the moveable contracts they have.

I don't think any Spurs offer that didn't include #2 or Castle could have survived a Rockets counter offer if they wanted him enough. They have plenty of extra picks to throw in top and better player assets to add on also.

So I won't blame the Spurs for it not getting done, they didn't have the ammo to outgun Houston

[Chinook]

I don't think any Spurs offer that didn't include #2 or Castle could have survived a Rockets counter offer if they wanted him enough. They have plenty of extra picks to throw in top and better player assets to add on also.

So I won't blame the Spurs for it not getting done, they didn't have the ammo to outgun Houston

I guess we won't know Houston's attitude for sure. They did have innately better assets outside of 2, but they also really seemed to resist giving up much for Durant. Maybe, if the Spurs had offered that extra pick, Houston easily beats it. Maybe, they don't. I won't "blame" the FO for not making the trade happen, because as you said, there are reasons to believe this was never going to get done if the Rockets wanted him badly enough. It's also possible that like with George last year that they might dodge a bullet by missing out. But I also think this could have been the move of the year. They are unlikely to have a trade with that talent-to-cost ratio for quite some time.

[poopbox]

It seems like even a moderately protected extra pick would have gotten it done on Durant. They might regret not doing that. The issue is Durant was a perfect fit. Now they shouldn't be offering the same package for another player. Guys like MPJ and Collins are fine, but not at the expense of a lotto pick. They shouldn't be the team that pays for Aldama or Hauser. This is a very good draft, and they actually need more young players with a future. It's okay to wait until the deadline to really be aggressive, but they should take advantage of the moveable contracts they have.

It's actually not because there is no guarantee that anything is offered at the deadline that moves the needle for you.

[Blizzardwizard]

"san antonio, in the end, showed considerable interest in a trade for boston's kristap porzingis before atlanta emerged tuesday afternoon as the most determined suitor and eventual winner of the trade race" - marc stein


increasingly obvious that PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are the only team seriously interested.


hopefully this does not become a common theme this offseason. chances are any player worth acquiring via free agency or trade is going to have multiple serious suitors.


patience is merited but they're going to have to show some resolve to push through a deal at some point in the next few weeks or they'll end up with nobody worth having.

[Chinook]

It's actually not because there is no guarantee that anything is offered at the deadline that moves the needle for you.

From my view, it actually is, because there's nothing left that would move the needle for the team now. That's sort of my whole point. I don't think guys like Cam and Collins are needle-movers. so they can wait until the deadline to see if there's someone worth using those picks on. It's not that they can't make smaller moves before then. It's that they should recognize that those are small moves and pay accordingly rather than convincing themselves that those are needle-moving moves.

[Chinook]

"san antonio, in the end, showed considerable interest in a trade for boston's kristap porzingis before atlanta emerged tuesday afternoon as the most determined suitor and eventual winner of the trade race" - marc stein


increasingly obvious that PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are the only team seriously interested.


hopefully this does not become a common theme this offseason. chances are any player worth acquiring via free agency or trade is going to have multiple serious suitors.


patience is merited but they're going to have to show some resolve to push through a deal at some point in the next few weeks or they'll end up with nobody worth having.

On no planet would I have been okay with the Spurs giving up a first-rounder for Porzingas. At this point, the Spurs are bargain-shopping, and they can choose to pay premium prices for bargain players or let the dust settle before paying their actual cost. If they want an actual game-changer, It's looking like they'll have to wait. There are guys who might be able to provide similar benefits to what Durant could have offered, but they aren't available yet. The team has to wait for their teams to hit rough patches so they can become available, ala the Kings with Fox last year. Right now, I think they're in a bad leverage position compared to their average, because teams feel like the front office wants to make a big splash.

[vy65]

On no planet would I have been okay with the Spurs giving up a first-rounder for Porzingas. At this point, the Spurs are bargain-shopping, and they can choose to pay premium prices for bargain players or let the dust settle before paying their actual cost. If they want an actual game-changer, It's looking like they'll have to wait. There are guys who might be able to provide similar benefits to what Durant could have offered, but they aren't available yet. The team has to wait for their teams to hit rough patches so they can become available, ala the Kings with Fox last year. Right now, I think they're in a bad leverage position compared to their average, because teams feel like the front office wants to make a big splash.

This already happened. With Kevin Durant himself. If they didn’t go for him (when KD highlighted and circled SA as a preferred destination), what makes you think they’ll do it with others?

[scott]

"san antonio, in the end, showed considerable interest in a trade for boston's kristap porzingis before atlanta emerged tuesday afternoon as the most determined suitor and eventual winner of the trade race" - marc stein


increasingly obvious that PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are the only team seriously interested.


hopefully this does not become a common theme this offseason. chances are any player worth acquiring via free agency or trade is going to have multiple serious suitors.


patience is merited but they're going to have to show some resolve to push through a deal at some point in the next few weeks or they'll end up with nobody worth having.

I think maybe more accurately stated, PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are getting clear and obvious positive value. They definitely are not going to overpay in an acquisition (so it usually helps if there is no competition). While it means we may miss out on some players, I'd rather be the team that stays prudent with our assets versus the team who overpays on every deal.

I still think there is magic to be had by following the IND model of picking up undervalued guys who show promise. They got Nesmith as basically a throw-in on the Malcom Brodgon trade, and Obi Toppin for a couple of seconds. If you have a good pro scouting department (which, I'm not sure the Spurs do or not), you can really make a killing with these types of low key moves.

[Marcus Bryant]

Funny the Spurs are going to be fielding a squad so young after a history of being the old guys in the gym.

I get the interest in Porzingus it doesn’t really impact the long game.

[SpursGenius]

"san antonio, in the end, showed considerable interest in a trade for boston's kristap porzingis before atlanta emerged tuesday afternoon as the most determined suitor and eventual winner of the trade race" - marc stein


increasingly obvious that PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are the only team seriously interested.
why do people still say patfo. He is practically stroked out and President in name only ripping off the Holts for millions.

hopefully this does not become a common theme this offseason. chances are any player worth acquiring via free agency or trade is going to have multiple serious suitors.


patience is merited but they're going to have to show some resolve to push through a deal at some point in the next few weeks or they'll end up with nobody worth having.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Don’t like this trade for either Atlanta or Brooklyn. Atlanta giving up a pick for an expiring, which also limits their options to trade up in the draft.. meh. Porzingis, if healthy, will make them better next season but it’s bad asset management as a whole.

Brooklyn I’ve no idea why they decided to use some of their cap space for this specific trade, netting them a 5th FRP in the same draft, which diminishes the value.

Boston obviously did fantastic talking the one team that could save them a ton of money into a trade. Nets should have demanded more value to play this game. This makes the Jrue trade more logical from Boston’s standpoint, not from Portland’s though, like at all.

Dumb FOs still exist. Spurs should call their friends in Sacramento and Chicago again.

[Raven]

amazing trade for atlanta, they basically got him salary dumped

[Atl Spur]

Don’t like this trade for either Atlanta or Brooklyn. Atlanta giving up a pick for an expiring, which also limits their options to trade up in the draft.. meh. Porzingis, if healthy, will make them better next season but it’s bad asset management as a whole.

Brooklyn I’ve no idea why they decided to use some of their cap space for this specific trade, netting them a 5th FRP in the same draft, which diminishes the value.

Boston obviously did fantastic talking the one team that could save them a ton of money into a trade. Nets should have demanded more value to play this game. This makes the Jrue trade more logical from Boston’s standpoint, not from Portland’s though, like at all.

Dumb FOs still exist. Spurs should call their friends in Sacramento and Chicago again.

Atlanta got off Mann’s contract while picking up a piece to help win this year ( filling a need of a big man ). Also, they have to extend Dyson Daniel’s after this year; so in my opinion this move was a win win for them!

[LeBowen]

Atlanta got off Mann’s contract while picking up a piece to help win this year ( filling a need of a big man ). Also, they have to extend Dyson Daniel’s after this year; so in my opinion this move was a win win for them!

I actually like what they're doing.
Daniels, JJ, Risacher as strong defenders around Trae, Porzingis will provide the needed spacing because Daniels and JJ aren't great shooters.
There's also Okongwu who can play together with Porzingis.
I wonder if they'll go for another big or a wing now that they have Porzingis.

Their new GM seems competent.

[RC_Drunkford]

Their new GM seems competent.

that's cause he worked for the Spurs prior

[John B]

Time would tell if KP’s health hold up. If so this would be a big missed opportunity to get a vet backup C for Wemby, who in times can also start since he can shoot the ball.

[poopbox]

I think maybe more accurately stated, PATFO will not make any player trade unless they are getting clear and obvious positive value. They definitely are not going to overpay in an acquisition (so it usually helps if there is no competition). While it means we may miss out on some players, I'd rather be the team that stays prudent with our assets versus the team who overpays on every deal.

I still think there is magic to be had by following the IND model of picking up undervalued guys who show promise. They got Nesmith as basically a throw-in on the Malcom Brodgon trade, and Obi Toppin for a couple of seconds. If you have a good pro scouting department (which, I'm not sure the Spurs do or not), you can really make a killing with these types of low key moves.

The problem with the "not overpay for acquisitions" approach is that in a market where most teams do, and I would say we are in that market because for most trades that happen the immediate response is that one team gave up to much or one team didn't get enough, is that when you are not willing to overpay you just don't get anything. That's not being prudent. That's going home empty handed.

The spurs did not get Kevin Durant. The thought process was not a big deal they can get somebody else. That somebody else could have been Kristaps. They didn't get him either. Your starting to run out of somebody else's. I am fairly sure that whatever other player they try to get, they will be outbid for that player as well.

Don't see how the Spurs can follow the Pacers model because that involves identifying a young player who has the potential to be a star and trading your best player for him (Sabonis for The Haliban) and giving up 3 first round picks and a good player for your second best player (3 first round picks and bruce brown for Siakam). The Spurs have not come remotely close to making those types of transactions :rollin . The Spurs role players are not on the same planet as the Pacers role players and the Spurs have repeatedly shown they are not willing to do the types of deals it takes aka overpay to acquire said players :rollin

But this should not be surprising, because the Spurs have long been an organization that doesn't hold anyone in a position of power accountable for anything. Pop was allowed to have consecutive losing seasons until his body literally failed him with complete impunity, he even received one of the largest contracts in the history of coaching / front office work for it. Brian Wright has been allowed to operate with complete impunity while never once producing a winning season, whiffing on at least half his draft picks if not more, never once signing a free agent who impacted winning all that much, and somehow repeatedly trading for or signing players who are literally out of the league after they leave San Antonio ( Osman ) or go from playing over 20 minutes a game with the the spurs to not even 2 minutes a game with another team (McDermott).

When you don't have to work hard at your job or be successful at your job or get results at your job to keep your job, then why would you do it?

[exstatic]

The problem with the "not overpay for acquisitions" approach is that in a market where most teams do, and I would say we are in that market because for most trades that happen the immediate response is that one team gave up to much or one team didn't get enough, is that when you are not willing to overpay you just don't get anything. That's not being prudent. That's going home empty handed.

The spurs did not get Kevin Durant. The thought process was not a big deal they can get somebody else. That somebody else could have been Kristaps. They didn't get him either. Your starting to run out of somebody else's. I am fairly sure that whatever other player they try to get, they will be outbid for that player as well.

Don't see how the Spurs can follow the Pacers model because that involves identifying a young player who has the potential to be a star and trading your best player for him (Sabonis for The Haliban) and giving up 3 first round picks and a good player for your second best player (3 first round picks and bruce brown for Siakam). The Spurs have not come remotely close to making those types of transactions :rollin . The Spurs role players are not on the same planet as the Pacers role players and the Spurs have repeatedly shown they are not willing to do the types of deals it takes aka overpay to acquire said players :rollin

But this should not be surprising, because the Spurs have long been an organization that doesn't hold anyone in a position of power accountable for anything. Pop was allowed to have consecutive losing seasons until his body literally failed him with complete impunity, he even received one of the largest contracts in the history of coaching / front office work for it. Brian Wright has been allowed to operate with complete impunity while never once producing a winning season, whiffing on at least half his draft picks if not more, never once signing a free agent who impacted winning all that much, and somehow repeatedly trading for or signing players who are literally out of the league after they leave San Antonio ( Osman ) or go from playing over 20 minutes a game with the the spurs to not even 2 minutes a game with another team (McDermott).

When you don't have to work hard at your job or be successful at your job or get results at your job to keep your job, then why would you do it?

Neither Finals team did overpays in building their teams, in fact quite the opposite.

Daryl Morey is the king of splash, of the sexy overpay acquisition. He’s never assembled a title roster. He’s always just off to the next big thing. You should probably fanboy him, since that seems to be your thing.

[LeBowen]

The problem with the "not overpay for acquisitions" approach is that in a market where most teams do, and I would say we are in that market because for most trades that happen the immediate response is that one team gave up to much or one team didn't get enough, is that when you are not willing to overpay you just don't get anything. That's not being prudent. That's going home empty handed.

And what was the least championship roster that overpaid for their key pieces?
2025? No.
2024? No, Stevens got Derrick, Jrue and Porzingis for next to nothing with two homegrown stars.
2023? No, three homegrown players and 1 FRP spent on Gordon.
2022? No. They got Wiggins for D'Lo and a protected FRP.
2021? Jrue was expensive.
2020? It's the Lakers.
2019? Homegrown core and nephew, Danny, Ibaka, Gasol for cheap considering their value.
2018?
2017? Homegrown and KD as a free agent.
2016? Love for Wiggins trade.
2015? No.
2014? No.
2013? No.
2012? No.
2011? No.
2010?
2009? No because West gifted them Pau.
2008? The last expensive team and they lasted for 1.5 season in their prime before KG got injured.


The spurs did not get Kevin Durant. The thought process was not a big deal they can get somebody else. That somebody else could have been Kristaps. They didn't get him either. Your starting to run out of somebody else's. I am fairly sure that whatever other player they try to get, they will be outbid for that player as well.

The fuck did you want in KD's case? Rockets offer was so much better that we couldn't have done it without 2 FRPs. Every FRP except '29 one has another team attached to it. Do you want to trade a '29 pick for a player who's not going to be there at that point, with our franchise player's status still unknown after a potential career ending issue?
Porzingis hasn't played 60 games since 2017 and Hawks effectively gave up #22 pick for him. Does he look like the right backup for our potentially injury prone superstar?


Don't see how the Spurs can follow the Pacers model because that involves identifying a young player who has the potential to be a star and trading your best player for him (Sabonis for The Haliban) and giving up 3 first round picks and a good player for your second best player (3 first round picks and bruce brown for Siakam). The Spurs have not come remotely close to making those types of transactions :rollin .


Are you that retarded?
Why would we need a young player to trade for a star player when we already have our franchise cornerstone?
We fucking gave up 3 FRPs for Fox, who was arguably more expensive than Siakam because all of those picks will be in 20s, while we enabled Chicago to get the #12 this year.


The Spurs role players are not on the same planet as the Pacers role players and the Spurs have repeatedly shown they are not willing to do the types of deals it takes aka overpay to acquire said players :rollin

And who exactly have the Pacers overpaid for?
Nembhard was #31 pick, Nesmith failed in Boston, Toppin failed in NY.
Mathurin was #6 pick.



But this should not be surprising, because the Spurs have long been an organization that doesn't hold anyone in a position of power accountable for anything. Pop was allowed to have consecutive losing seasons until his body literally failed him with complete impunity, he even received one of the largest contracts in the history of coaching / front office work for it.

We agree on this one.


Brian Wright has been allowed to operate with complete impunity while never once producing a winning season, whiffing on at least half his draft picks if not more

You can't fucking say that Pop was allowed to do whatever he wanted and then blame it on Wright. Do you really think that Wright wanted to compete with garbage rosters? Any competent GM would've blown it up after nephew bent us over, it's just that Pop wanted to compete and that's how it went.

But you're a retard with worst possible takes. The most fitting username on the forum.

[scott]

Apparently Tingus really thought he was coming here until ATL swooped in.

https://basketnews.com/news-228548-porzingis-breaks-silence-on-trade-celtics-rumors-health-condition.html

Wonder what we were willing to give up.

[spurraider21]

coulda been the twin unicorn towers, but not unhappy with Kornet. still, ATL didnt give up all that much for him. it was #22 and salary fodder in Mann and Niang

[scott]

coulda been the twin unicorn towers, but not unhappy with Kornet. still, ATL didnt give up all that much for him. it was #22 and salary fodder in Mann and Niang

We were probably offering nothing but salary savings and maybe our SRP... and sounds like that was almost enough.

Not upset at it by any means, but it's always interesting to read what deals the Spurs were really contemplating.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Always felt that it made too much sense for Porzingis to be considered by the Spurs. But I guess, the Celtics were getting just Niang and so were able to save more money than what the Spurs could have offered (Barnes?/ Keldon [who had one more year left after the coming season] plus the Nets were willing to swallow Terance Mann's contract to get the 22nd pick from the Hawks. The Spurs couldn't just offer the 14th pick just like that. So the Hawks were always going to trump the Spurs.

That said, Kornet is not a bad choice for a durable medium term back-up. Healthier than Zingis and a wash in terms of defense, but being no mug on offense.

[ginobilized]

Let's do a playoff minutes tracker between Kornet and Porzingis. I bet we do pretty well, provided we make the playoffs.
I see Kornet as choice 1b here.

[Ariel]

Apparently Tingus really thought he was coming here until ATL swooped in.

https://basketnews.com/news-228548-porzingis-breaks-silence-on-trade-celtics-rumors-health-condition.html

Wonder what we were willing to give up.
Boston turned Porzingis into Niang, basically shedding 22 million worth of salary. If that was their goal, it's hard to see what Spurs could have offered to match that, I don't see any team loving Keldon enough to absorb him into cap space, and Spurs don't want to move Vassell it seems, so I can only imagine it could have been Barnes + one of Branham/Wesley, where maybe Spurs would pay to dump Branham/Wesley into some team's cap space, and maybe throw in a couple seconds to Boston. But since the Spurs didn't have a large enough trade exception, and I don't see them attaching enough draft capital to dump Barnes, ultimately they didn't meet Boston's needs.

[exstatic]

The question is, did ATL get pre COVID Tingus or long COVD Tingus? He played like absolute dog shit when he returned last season.

[Ariel]

The question is, did ATL get pre COVID Tingus or long COVD Tingus? He played like absolute dog shit when he returned last season.
For the price it's well worth the risk. Atlanta has been one of the best FOs in the last couple of years, they've pulled several rabbits out of a hat, and were helped by luck... and the incompetence of New Orleans.

[spurraider21]

The question is, did ATL get pre COVID Tingus or long COVD Tingus? He played like absolute dog shit when he returned last season.
i mean, he has commented on how bad it got during the end of the season, and has said all those symptoms are gone and he's about to go play for Latvia

he's also just about to turn 30 in a few days and his game has matured in a way that seems like it would be sustainable for quite some time provided he doesnt have any other weird injuries.