Spurs' Seeding for the 2025-2026 Season

[TimmyBuckets]

With Giannis not specifying what teams he wants to be traded too, and with more FAs being taken off the market, though it'd be a good time to see everyone's thoughts on where Spurs rank next season. Guaranteed playoff team 1-6? Play-in 7-10? Or worse? I'm going with 7th.

[Uriel]

Obviously, top 5 in the west.

[Dex]

Assuming good health, I think we have a good run at the 6th seed...but the West is a fucking gauntlet right now

[KobesAchilles]

9th. And I expect everyone to say how great of a season it was and we are going to build off that success

[stnick2261]

I'm expecting big things from our team and new coaches if we can stay healthy.

[timtonymanu]

7th seed ceiling and that’s me being hopeful. Just a lot of unknowns from the rotation and coaching and we still rely heavily on guys like Keldon. This team is nowhere near title ready yet.

[RC_Drunkford]

Too early. Gotta see what the other teams do. LeBron getting traded could change the landscape.

[Guru of Nothing]

Voted 6th, but despite the hype for the rest of the western Conference I see teams with serious flaws. Would not be surprised if Spurs are 4th seed.

OKC, Houston, and Denver are top 3, then Clippers and Twolves.

[Dex]

Too early. Gotta see what the other teams do. LeBron getting traded could change the landscape.

LeBron isn't leaving LA. He's just doing his usual bullshit where he threatens to leave so he can force his team to drain assets to "win now"....

And he ended up with Ayton, so have fun with that :lol

[TekXX]

Only real difference is a healthy Fox with a full year, I think we can get to the play-in

[Robz4000]

6th seed imo.

[Dex]

Only real difference is a healthy Fox with a full year, I think we can get to the play-in

Uhh...this seems to be vastly underrating the differences.

Castle sophomore season (hopefully a step-up).

Full-year of Wemby who isn't suffering from a blood clot halfway through the season.

Healthy Fox with a full offseason to prepare.

Harper and Bryant filling important roles.

A legitimate backup center in Kornet.

This team is going to be vastly different from last year. It remains to be seen what that results in.

[baseline bum]

4-seed would be a really successful season

8-seed would be a pretty disappointing one

I'll split the difference and say 6-seed

[Jordan Jackson]

If the roster stays the same, probably 8-9th seed. I think there are some guys still on the roster that are lineup poison. I don’t know if the higher end talent on roster can compensate for it being that they are so young.

A lot would have to go right for them to get to a 6 seed. They would need to run up their record against EC teams.

[spursparker9]

8th seed if healthy

[Extra Stout]

Gaping hole still at power forward.

Despite sketchy shooting I expect a top-10 offense.

Defense is the issue but with Kornet at least they won’t be the worst defense in the history of basketball whenever Wemby sits. They’ll be merely lousy.

45-37 and 8 seed sounds reasonable.

[TimmyBuckets]

Gaping hole still at power forward.

Despite sketchy shooting I expect a top-10 offense.

Defense is the issue but with Kornet at least they won’t be the worst defense in the history of basketball whenever Wemby sits. They’ll be merely lousy.

45-37 and 8 seed sounds reasonable.

You mean a 3rd stringer? We have Sochan, Champ, Barnes. We could pick up a 3rd stringer, but what would be the hole?

[mystargtr34]

With current rosters I’m gonna say 8 seed and a record of 46-36.

Tier 1
OKC
Houston
Denver

Tier 2
Lakers
Minny
Clippers
Warriors

Tier 3
Spurs
Mavs

Tier 4
Pelicans
Memphis
Portland
Suns
Kings

Tier 5
Jizz

[clampi]

4-seed would be a really successful season

8-seed would be a pretty disappointing one

I'll split the difference and say 6-seed

Agree, in term of record:
<45 would be a disappointment
>49 would be a successful RS

I'll go for 47

[TimmyBuckets]

Wow for the amount of hate from ST usually, a lot of members are rating them a guaranteed playoff team. So nice lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Tier 1
OKC
Houston
Denver

Tier 2
Minny
Clippers
Spurs
Mavs
Warriors

Tier 3
Lakers
Memphis
Portland
Suns

Tier 4
Pelicans
Kings
Jazz

I think we are right there with the Clippers, Warriors and Mavs. The Warriors are a bunch of old dudes, they don't have a chance to be honest. The Clippers rely on the questionable health of a certain nephew. The Mavs have a stacked frontcourt, but their PG is D-Lo. So I'd say 6-7 seed right now.

[Fireball]

Voted 6th seed ... just hoping Wemby plays 70+ games

[jesterbobman]

Voted 8th. Think we win the Wemby minutes by a solid, but non elite mark - somewhat due to the lack of shooting fit. With Kornet as a solid big, and leaning on Fox, are a slight negative in the non Wemby minutes. Having 48 minutes of effective primary PG play, and 48 minutes of good C play, is a big boost.
If i tier it out, I think it's something like...

OKC
Rockets / Denver
Minnesota / Clippers
Memphis / GS / Spurs / Dallas/ Lakers
Portland
Phoenix / Sacramento / NOP
Jazz

Between 6-10 feels the most likely.

The upside is a jump for Wemby (if he's on the GOAT trajectory, moving to a +6 or so impact rather than a +4) / Castle (was good but probably a net negative last year - happens to all rookies) as young guys, and a rotation with fewer really bad minutes, from Kornet filling the C gap, and hidden, a more effective defense. Dallas could get to be an effective defense with Luka and Kyrie with a base of 48 minutes of rim protection, and complementary players. Same recipe - rim protection, some weaknesses at point of attack / having to hide PGs to an extent (Fox isn't huge, Harper is a rookie), but energy and help around the rim protector.

Don't see a case above OKC / Denver / Houston, can see a peak at 4.
Could see 11th - Portland was frisky at the end of last year, Holiday should help them.

[RC_Drunkford]

Voted 8th. Think we win the Wemby minutes by a solid, but non elite mark - somewhat due to the lack of shooting fit. With Kornet as a solid big, and leaning on Fox, are a slight negative in the non Wemby minutes. Having 48 minutes of effective primary PG play, and 48 minutes of good C play, is a big boost.
If i tier it out, I think it's something like...

OKC
Rockets / Denver
Minnesota / Clippers
Memphis / GS / Spurs / Dallas/ Lakers
Portland
Phoenix / Sacramento / NOP
Jazz

Between 6-10 feels the most likely.

The upside is a jump for Wemby (if he's on the GOAT trajectory, moving to a +6 or so impact rather than a +4) / Castle (was good but probably a net negative last year - happens to all rookies) as young guys, and a rotation with fewer really bad minutes, from Kornet filling the C gap, and hidden, a more effective defense. Dallas could get to be an effective defense with Luka and Kyrie with a base of 48 minutes of rim protection, and complementary players. Same recipe - rim protection, some weaknesses at point of attack / having to hide PGs to an extent (Fox isn't huge, Harper is a rookie), but energy and help around the rim protector.

Don't see a case above OKC / Denver / Houston, can see a peak at 4.
Could see 11th - Portland was frisky at the end of last year, Holiday should help them.

I got news for you buddy...you won't believe this

[John B]

4th seed and breaking the 50+ win. Much depends on Sochan as the x-factor. As it always been the case during championship years, The Big 3 and DRob were constant, but Ninja Sean Elliot, Bruce Bowen, Kawhi/Danny played the x-factors. This time it’s Sochan/Castle playing that point-of-attack defense, while Wemby/Kornet defending the rim. Again Sochan rim-running is a big key. And if he can learn to pass in traffic?? Spurs running game would be tough to defend.

Tier 1
OKC - will probably repeat, but it’s not going to be easy in the West
Rockettes - Ime will make this team very tough to beat especially with Durant onboard
Nuggets - Jokic still playing MVP caliber but with little help. Would he force his way out soon?

Tier 2
Spurs - The emergence of Sochan, Wemby being hungry and Fox playing clutch. Kornet anchoring the 2nd group defense. Wemby finally winning DPOY and probably league MVP if Spurs get 50+ wins!
T-Puppies - Playing hungry with Edwards leading, but the Spurs are hungrier
Fakers - Doncic being Doncic keeps them competitive
Clippers - Harden/Powell/Zubac and occasionally Nephew is still tough to beat
Dubs - Curry overachieving but too little help
Mavs - Flagg/AD will be tough cover, but Flagg probably wishing he’s playing with the Spurs instead

Tier 3
Suns - Better defensively already, they should pickup more wins
Pelicans - Zion, TM3, Herb Jones, I think they overachieve
Grizzlies - JJJ injury will sideline him half of the season
Kings - Fox leaving this organization is a signal is not far from rebuilding, again..
Blazers - Avdija, Camara, Scoot?? They’re going Dybatsa Sweepstakes.


Tier 4
Jazz - Ace Bailey show! Markkannen must be loving his decision to stay

[Davidicus]

So many factors we don’t know. But I think it’s safe to say OKC, DEN, HOU are ahead of us. Most likely MIN and LAC. That puts us 6 seed at best, I voted 7. GSW, DAL, LAL are more unknowns.

We have to go and take the seed, it won’t be given to us. At minimum, Wemby has to play like a top 5 player he was. We need All Star Fox. Castle keeps his %s up and defense. That’s to get us to 7.

Our seeding upside is based on: Harper being the real deal. Sochan hitting a decent 3P%. Vassell becoming a catch and shoot demon. Bryant contributing X factor minutes. If absolutely everything clicks and no injuries, we’re 4 at best.

Can’t wait! GSG

[rascal]

3rd seed (with no key injuries)

Houston was the 2nd seed last year and they weren't any better talent wise last year than the Spurs are now. Spurs have made big additions over the past year. Wemby healthy all year should take another jump.

OKC is the top team and some other team will sneak into the two seed and if the spurs stay healthy they can get the 3rd seed. Teams in the west are bunched together and will be close in record spurs can get to 3rd.

There will be a lot of teams tanking in next year's draft with some great players coming out at the top of the draft. Spurs will be trying to win games.

[Splits]

Spurs - The emergence of Sochan

:lmao

[John B]

:lmao

All I’m saying is he’s the x-factor. If he plays the rim-running defensive in-your-face pest, who can pass in traffic and shoot the occasional 3? Damn, he’ll be the perfect compliment to Spurs running game. Again, Wemby, Fox will be constant. Castle should be even better in 2nd year. Vassell should get the memo and play complimentary shooter, and not over do it. Those are given. What is not is what Sochan will be coming from the off-season. I’m sure much relies on him getting better for not bringing the likes of John Collins and even KD. The Spurs are counting on Sochan to finally be that player they envisioned him to be. And he’s a soldier always doing what he’s told, be it playing PG, shooting one-hand, and even backup Center. 4th year is a make it or bust. I rather root for the former, wouldn’t you??

[Extra Stout]

You mean a 3rd stringer? We have Sochan, Champ, Barnes. We could pick up a 3rd stringer, but what would be the hole?

Sochan can’t shoot.

Barnes can’t rebound or defend.

Champ is a wing, not a PF.

There’s also Keldon Johnson, who can’t shoot or defend.

The Spurs have bodies to throw at the PF position, but all of them are serious liabilities in some way. None are starter quality.

So, gaping hole.

[Brazil]

we should temper a bit expectations tbh... Castle will only be a year 2, Victor will be a year 2,5.. we have two new rookies to develop, plenty of roster / rotation fit to figure out and lack of shooting. I'd be happy with a PO spot through play in.

[CorrectCrusader]

we should temper a bit expectations tbh... Castle will only be a year 2, Victor will be a year 2,5.. we have two new rookies to develop, plenty of roster / rotation fit to figure out and lack of shooting. I'd be happy with a PO spot through play in.

Top end talent should drag us to minimum 8th seed with Fox & Wemby.

[Brazil]

Top end talent should drag us to minimum 8th seed with Fox & Wemby.

I'm not sure about min but below play in would be disappointing

[Degoat]

If we’re healthy the ceiling is the roof! Lol honestly if health permits I could see the spurs finishing with a playoff spot. Last year 6th seed was 49 wins

[Mr. Body]

If Wemby is healthy and Harper is more than playable, this is a top 6 team, probably better.

[Ariel]

Provided good health, should be a top 8 seed at least, top 5 if they add a good shooting wing. Otherwise, heads should roll.

PS: I voted 6th

[Tyrone Jenkins]

The team still can't shoot (other than Barnes). Unless we can defend the 3 and score 2s at a 60% rate consistently, this is a 9 seed.

[LeBowen]

Thunder, Nuggets and Rockets are definitely stronger, no question.
Timberwolves deserve the benefit of the doubt because they kept their core together, they're behind these three teams, but definitely above the rest of the pack.

The rest is full of uncertainties.
On paper Mavs have the best roster when Kyrie comes back, but he'll be out until at least February and a lot is rotten in that organization, bad environment to play in. There are also the obvious AD injury concerns.
It wouldn't surprise me if AD gets injured and Flagg balls out.
If Mavs ownership had any common sense, they would've fired Nico and told the new GM to trade Kyrie/Klay/AD for younger players because like this they're on borrowed time. One, maybe two seasons left in their veterans before 3 years with no tradeable picks, meaning Flagg will probably find himself in Luka situation.

I personally think that Warriors and Clippers are past their expiry date. Especially the Warriors that don't even have a fully functional roster. They don't have any bigs, it's impossible to go through an entire regular season like that.
Clippers are at least functional and have good role players, but noone trusts Harden and nephew anymore.
Lakers will be a shitshow. That roster just doesn't make sense anymore.

Where do the Spurs fit in all of this? I'd say that if Wemby is healthy and able to consistently play on his December level from this season, we can get the 5th seed. Obviously it's not a guarantee he can do it, but it feels like people forgot how good he can be.
Our roster isn't built for the playoffs without size on the wings, but it's a good regular season roster that's young and can outrun most teams. Matchups don't really matter as much in the regular season with teams just going through motions, especially contenders that are pacing themselves for the playoffs.
For all the size we lack on the wings, I don't see any teams other than Thunder and Rockets that can defend two of Fox/Castle/Harper at the same time. Rim pressure will be relentless, Wemby will run slow rim protectors off the floor and Spurs are going to be really annoying to play against with so much ability to get to the line with ease.
If Castle and Sochan improve their shot and are able to play together at the same time, it would make Spurs a really dangerous team. But I don't expect anything from Sochan, I've been disappointed enough.
Or who knows, maybe Bryant exceeds expectations early on. If he can be a positive defender right away and hit open shots, he should be in the rotation.

[bluebellmaniac]

5th. Mitch wants to keep his job and we're done tanking. Another tank and "Hello Seattle!"

[Manu20]

Minimum we should be in the play in but I voted for 6th because I remember we have an All Star Caliber PG in Fox to help Wemby. I'm guilty of forgetting that we have another star next to Wemby in Fox! Can't wait to see this duo in action next season!

[Mugen]

Top 6 seed would be a pretty monumental accomplishment tbh

[z0sa]

My guess is play-in spot. I'm presuming 7th but anywhere in the play-in would be expected. Anything less is a colossal failure, more is great.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Goal for me is .500

[LeBowen]

For those saying 9th seed, do you really believe Lakers/Clippers/Warriors will be better than the Spurs?

Fox/Castle/Vassell/Barnes/Wemby
Harper, Champagnie, Keldon, Bryant, Sochan, Kornet

Reaves/Vincent/Luka/Lebron/Ayton
Knecht, Vanderbilt, Hachimura

Harden/Powell/nephew/Jones Jr/Zubac
Dunn, Batum, Lopez

Curry/Moody/Butler/Green/TDJ
Podziemski, Hield...I guess we'll have to see what's the return for Kuminga S&T.

If we can't have a better record than those teams full of washed veterans, we might aswell relocate the franchise right away.

[scott]

I’m feeling optimistic, but I also remember in Wemby’s rookie year when everyone said to hammer the over on the Vegas line of 28.5 wins. I believe one veteran poster even posted something to the effect of “You’d have to be an idiot to not take the over”

So… I’m optimistic… but I’m also going to be following the Draft thread. After all, we have to be patient and not skip steps. Now that we have Harper, we have to reset and build around him.

[Bill_Brasky]

7th seed is where I think we fall. Above that would be pretty fantastic, imo.

[John B]

Wemby is hungry and probably frustrated that his team still has not made into the playoffs. He is supposed to be the future face of the NBA. And the Spurs will make sure to keep its franchise player happy, and not risk on billions of dollars bolting out. Anything less than a playoff spot would be a catastrophic meltdown.

The Spurs could’ve signed KD, could’ve offered tons of future FRP’s for Giannis. There’s still John Collins, Markkanen and more. A lot is hanging on Sochan as that critical piece in the starting lineup. I’m optimistic that the FO has seen enough progress not to entertain trades. IF Sochan comes in as that defensive stretch at 4, able to shoot 3’s and help push the ball down, passing in traffic. Wemby playing healthy, Fox playing clutch, Vassell shooting well at 2, Castle continuing to improve in his 2nd year. Kornet protecting the rims when Wemby sits. If everything aligns, there’s no doubt they pass T-Wolves, Clippers, Fakers, Dubs. That’s why I say 4th seed IF everything clicked.

[spurraider21]

yeah im gonna say top half of the play-in bracket

[ambchang]

The spurs had multiple issues last year, the biggest of which imho was the defensive coaching. Not sure if Williamson and Sweeney will fix them all but I do expect some improvements. Will put a write up around what I saw as issues and whether the front office addressed them.

[KobesAchilles]

we should temper a bit expectations tbh... Castle will only be a year 2, Victor will be a year 2,5.. we have two new rookies to develop, plenty of roster / rotation fit to figure out and lack of shooting. I'd be happy with a PO spot through play in.
So who are we getting rid of then next year? Bc if we can’t make it with this group that means we failed in our pre-Wemby drafts. Do we get rid of Vassell? KJ? Sochan? 2 outta 3?

[scott]

So who are we getting rid of then next year? Bc if we can’t make it with this group that means we failed in our pre-Wemby drafts. Do we get rid of Vassell? KJ? Sochan? 2 outta 3?

Gotta give these guys more time to make their respective Year 7, 8 and 5 leaps.

[Brazil]

So who are we getting rid of then next year? Bc if we can’t make it with this group that means we failed in our pre-Wemby drafts. Do we get rid of Vassell? KJ? Sochan? 2 outta 3?

I don't think play in next year considering the current circunstances would be a failure. But to your point as others said KJ should go imho, Sochan is a serviceable option off the bench, Vassell it will depend of what kind of Vassell we have next year, pre injury Vassell was good he had 20 ppg with 4 assits a bit of FT and shooting decent from 3. I'm just saying we have Fox who only played 20 games or so, Wemby back after 6 months stop then Castle who needs work and 2 rookies to acclimate and until demonstrated otherwise a lack of shooting. Fortunately with the hiring of the boston freak we hopefully have solved the big off the bench saga.

[Brazil]

Gotta give these guys more time to make their respective Year 7, 8 and 5 leaps.

:lol

[Tyrone Jenkins]

I don't think play in next year considering the current circunstances would be a failure. But to your point as others said KJ should go imho, Sochan is a serviceable option off the bench, Vassell it will depend of what kind of Vassell we have next year, pre injury Vassell was good he had 20 ppg with 4 assits a bit of FT and shooting decent from 3. I'm just saying we have Fox who only played 20 games or so, Wemby back after 6 months stop then Castle who needs work and 2 rookies to acclimate and until demonstrated otherwise a lack of shooting. Fortunately with the hiring of the boston freak we hopefully have solved the big off the bench saga.
It's apparent that many here (not necessarily you) are HOPING for quite a bit. Hoping that Sochan develops into a better 3D player, hoping that Fox/Wemby turn into a dynamic duo (and Wemby is fully healthy), hoping that Castle develops a shot. . .

It's never to predict based on hope. I EXPECT Sochan to be a defensive player only (who doesn't really rebound), that Castle will get better at scoring but not necessarily at shooting and that next year we will need to use FRPs to rid ourselves of larger contract players (Vassell, KJ) as needed.

This team is easily 2 (maybe 3) solid 3 pt shooters and a rebounding PF/C away from a realistic playoff contention.

[KobesAchilles]

I don't think play in next year considering the current circunstances would be a failure. But to your point as others said KJ should go imho, Sochan is a serviceable option off the bench, Vassell it will depend of what kind of Vassell we have next year, pre injury Vassell was good he had 20 ppg with 4 assits a bit of FT and shooting decent from 3. I'm just saying we have Fox who only played 20 games or so, Wemby back after 6 months stop then Castle who needs work and 2 rookies to acclimate and until demonstrated otherwise a lack of shooting. Fortunately with the hiring of the boston freak we hopefully have solved the big off the bench saga.
No offense, but I think this kind of thinking is exactly how we got in the mess to begin with. From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times. I know Pop gets credit for the 22 seasons in a row for us making the playoffs but we were a winning team long before he ever got here. We have a history of being a great organization. We aren’t the Clippers or the Nuggets or even the Bucks. We aren’t a legitimate franchise and at worst a top 5 ever franchise. I’d argue we are number 3 of all time in the NBA.

My point of this rant is that we are a winning franchise that somehow forgot its fucking history of winning and just seem content on being shit. We have a top 10 player in Wemby. We have an all star caliber PG in Fox and I’d argue he is the second best PG in the conference behind Curry. We have a ROY winner in Castle who by all accounts is going to get better. And I believe our 3rd ROY winner in Harper. He’s going to be that good. Saying it wouldn’t be considered a failure if we don’t make the playoffs is some chicken shit mentality that frankly our organization is too good to be thinking that way. I’m not saying we have to win the title. But we better be fucking competitive again and have some damn pride and expectations this year

[scott]

No offense, but I think this kind of thinking is exactly how we got in the mess to begin with. From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times. I know Pop gets credit for the 22 seasons in a row for us making the playoffs but we were a winning team long before he ever got here. We have a history of being a great organization. We aren’t the Clippers or the Nuggets or even the Bucks. We aren’t a legitimate franchise and at worst a top 5 ever franchise. I’d argue we are number 3 of all time in the NBA.

My point of this rant is that we are a winning franchise that somehow forgot its fucking history of winning and just seem content on being shit. We have a top 10 player in Wemby. We have an all star caliber PG in Fox and I’d argue he is the second best PG in the conference behind Curry. We have a ROY winner in Castle who by all accounts is going to get better. And I believe our 3rd ROY winner in Harper. He’s going to be that good. Saying it wouldn’t be considered a failure if we don’t make the playoffs is some chicken shit mentality that frankly our organization is too good to be thinking that way. I’m not saying we have to win the title. But we better be fucking competitive again and have some damn pride and expectations this year

Yep... as some of us (including you) have been saying for awhile now, this whole "patience, don't skip steps" mentality coming from the FO only benefits the same FO who are saying it. It's best to lower all expectations early, lest there be any kind of accountability should they not be met. So long as the Spurs FO are allowed to set their own expectations, they never have to worry about not meeting them. Holt Jr seems content to let RC and Pop do whatever they want as far as the basketball product is concerned.

[LeBowen]

We have a top 10 player in Wemby.

Top5 I'd say.
We would've surely been in the play-in this seasons if not for his health issue.


From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times.

And why is that so? Because we always had a franchise player who was a top5 player in the league.
From the moment Spurs joined the NBA Iceman was a top5 player and hard carried those subpar rosters.
Then he declined, got traded and Spurs would've probably been relocated if not for Admiral lottery.
The same thing happened with Admiral, carry jobs and subpar supporting casts.
Timmy was the first franchise player who had good enough teammates to win.
When he retired, nephew was the next in line and we know how that went.

Point being that Spurs weren't competing because they were a well ran organization ever since 1973 like for example Pacers or Jazz always tried to compete, but because Spurs were lucky enough to almost always have a top5 player in the league on their roster.
No franchise player equalled no playoffs.

Healthy Wemby is already a monster, he'll only get better and the odds of not making the playoffs if he plays 70+ games are really low. A series of catastrophic circumstances would have to happen.
These 5 or so years have been so traumatizing that we started overrating other average teams. As I wrote earlier, I can't understand people rating veteran rosters that have fundamental flaws higher than the Spurs for the regualr season.
Especially when we've seen a lot of young teams without star power grinding regular seasons out on nothing but high energy. And we'll have star power.

[RC_Drunkford]

one has to take into account that the Spurs have been bullshitting the past 2 seasons. When we got Wemby Pop started sabotaging the roster by playing everybody at point except Tre Jones. That roster was better than their record if it wasn't for Pop's experiments.

Last season was the same: they got CP3 and Barnes, played competitive, then got Fox and kept starting CP3 cause it was promised to him. Then Wemby is out for the season and we have no center at all. Wait way too long past the deadline to pick up Biyombo and still don't have a back up. That roster was also way better than their record.

Now they added Harper, Kornet and Bryant and added 2 great defensive coaches in Sweeney and Williamson. The only thing I don't like is that there are upgrades for the forward spots available that don't cost you assets and they still don't pick them up. Other than that this team should be much better going forward.

[baseline bum]

I got news for you buddy...you won't believe this

I still can't fucking believe it. Though even more incredible that they failed upwards into winning the trade now with Flagg.

[Leetonidas]

8th seed, 46-48 wins imo (assuming good health)

[Brazil]

No offense, but I think this kind of thinking is exactly how we got in the mess to begin with. From 1973 to 2019 we missed the playoffs a total of 4 times. I know Pop gets credit for the 22 seasons in a row for us making the playoffs but we were a winning team long before he ever got here. We have a history of being a great organization. We aren’t the Clippers or the Nuggets or even the Bucks. We aren’t a legitimate franchise and at worst a top 5 ever franchise. I’d argue we are number 3 of all time in the NBA.

My point of this rant is that we are a winning franchise that somehow forgot its fucking history of winning and just seem content on being shit. We have a top 10 player in Wemby. We have an all star caliber PG in Fox and I’d argue he is the second best PG in the conference behind Curry. We have a ROY winner in Castle who by all accounts is going to get better. And I believe our 3rd ROY winner in Harper. He’s going to be that good. Saying it wouldn’t be considered a failure if we don’t make the playoffs is some chicken shit mentality that frankly our organization is too good to be thinking that way. I’m not saying we have to win the title. But we better be fucking competitive again and have some damn pride and expectations this year

Man, I just said play in would not be a failure. Then when in the play in all can happen, you can meet a top dog there under specific circunstances like injuries of a major player in the beginning of the year... POs direct you have to be 6th seed I believe (not even sure :lol), qualifying to the play in being 8th for instance that was the cut before is ok for me. It is not a matter of mentality just being realistic.

[KobesAchilles]

Man, I just said play in would not be a failure. Then when in the play in all can happen, you can meet a top dog there under specific circunstances like injuries of a major player in the beginning of the year... POs direct you have to be 6th seed I believe (not even sure :lol), qualifying to the play in being 8th for instance that was the cut before is ok for me. It is not a matter of mentality just being realistic.
Realistically we have enough top talent to make the playoffs rather easily. The reasons we would be relegated to the play in is bc of our shitty drafting pre-Wemby, our lack of even trying to get a PF, DV as a starter, and the coach being a complete newbie.

These are all a symptom of a bad mindset from the FO. Losers say baby steps. And that’s what this FO is acting like. A bunch of losers content on making the playoffs rather play-in. Baby steps is not missing the playoffs 3 years in a row. That’s just scared to even take a step.

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Realistically we have enough top talent to make the playoffs rather easily. The reasons we would be relegated to the play in is bc of our shitty drafting pre-Wemby, our lack of even trying to get a PF, DV as a starter, and the coach being a complete newbie.

These are all a symptom of a bad mindset from the FO. Losers say baby steps. And that’s what this FO is acting like. A bunch of losers content on making the playoffs rather play-in. Baby steps is not missing the playoffs 3 years in a row. That’s just scared to even take a step.

I mean bro I was in the camp of trading 2 for Giannis but I was in a clear minority. Other moves could have been made like trading for Durant but another direction has been taken, so with what we have a play in would be fine imho fwiw

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I mean bro I was in the camp of trading 2 for Giannis but I was in a clear minority. Other moves could have been made like trading for Durant but another direction has been taken, so with what we have a play in would be fine imho fwiw
I was too. Still am :cry