Game Thread: SL Open Spurs Vs Heat

[Degoat]

Carters debut LFG!!

[Spurs Brazil]

Starter for Spurs per @JMcDonald_SAEN:

Omari Moore, Harrison Ingram, David Jones-Garcia, Carter Bryant, Nate Mensah

[LeBowen]

https://live.totalsportekhd.com/San-Antonio-Spurs-vs-Miami-Heat/44464

Stream, not recommended to open without an adblock due to pop-ups.

[taps]

Activated for SL tbf fwiw.

[Spurs Brazil]

Ware and Jakucionis on Miami team

[Degoat]

Pretty lackluster starting lineup for the spurs lol hope Carter and Ingram ball out

[Dejounte]

Let’s go Harrison Ingram!

[LeBowen]

Bryant with a typical rookie foul on the first possession.

[Guru of Nothing]

Does anyone really know what time it is?

[heyheymymy]

HI watch will be interesting to see

[Dejounte]

What the hell is this delay

[heyheymymy]

get a look at this Jaku/Ware tandem

and is that Jovic?

[heyheymymy]

No it's Pelle Larson my bad

[heyheymymy]

wtf get the clock fixed refs

[mikec]

Joey crawford citing!

[couchman]

Announcers doing a good job entertaining me with stories about other delays and malfunctions of the past

[jesterbobman]

15 minutes since the scheduled start, 1 point. Go clock delay!!!

[heyheymymy]

Man CB has some good size

[mikec]

Carter ugly first shot, then drains the 3!!!!!

[heyheymymy]

shit CB has a silky corner triple not set fading away wow

[LeBowen]

Bouyea's absence is a big loss, tbh.



Alright, I'm overreacting but this kid looks like a natural shooter with his motion.

[mikec]

Man CB has some good size

Agree with the announcer, he looks bigger than 6'7

[couchman]

Bryant not afraid to let it fly

[heyheymymy]

Agree with the announcer, he looks bigger than 6'7

Going to be helpful on setting screens looks like good length but also a stout core

[couchman]

Two horrible misses and one really sweet make so far for CB

[Spurs Brazil]

Two nice blocks by Mensah

[LeBowen]

Alright, he airballed this one, down to Sochan tier. The struggle continues.

[couchman]

I wish we could watch Harper as well!!! …patience…

[heyheymymy]

CB showing some other stuff like good agility and some decent handles.

[Trill Clinton]

The way Carter-Bryant helps his teammates up is tough.

[Degoat]

In these California games, Carter has to have that green light mentality don’t care if he misses every shot he’s gotta be aggressive

[Dejounte]

Harrison Ingram knows how to make the right pass. He’s a nice connective piece tbh. He’d have 5 assists right now if his teammates made their shots

[SpursGenius]

Sorry dumb question. Is Harper expected to play in future summer league games. Haven’t kept up

[Dejounte]

Harrison is everywhere on defense deflecting passes

[Mal]

Sorry dumb question. Is Harper expected to play in future summer league games. Haven’t kept up

Is expected to play in Vegas

[Degoat]

Sorry dumb question. Is Harper expected to play in future summer league games. Haven’t kept up

Don’t think there’s been an update yet but I’m like 90% sure he plays in 1-2 Vegas games

[jesterbobman]

Shooting is always bad in summer league (and I don't think the 10 minutes delay helped anyone). Liked the movement and passing of the Spurs.

[Obstructed_View]

I like Jameer Nelson Jr.

Not, you know, as a basketball player. He's terrible. But I like him.

[Obstructed_View]

Lmao and of course he hits a three two seconds after I post that.

[Blizzardwizard]

bryant's been beaten off the dribble at least four times so far. two have led to buckets including an and-one. getting absolutely torched by larsson in particular.


already spent too much time around devin and keldon tbh

[Degoat]

Guys gotta attack to the basket more often

[Mal]

Pretty terrible basketball tbh

[LeBowen]

1-5 from 3pt for CB, my enthusiasm has been curbed.

[John B]

CB 1-5 at 3pt. Trade him.. :lol:lol:lol

[Obstructed_View]

bryant's been beaten off the dribble at least four times so far. two have led to buckets including an and-one. getting absolutely torched by larsson in particular.


already spent too much time around devin and keldon tbh

Kind of expect him to underwhelm in his first game. Most good Spurs do.

[onechance87]

rough qtr for bryant...Would like to see him play the majority of the game.He needs to learn.

[heyheymymy]

Was intersting to see Goldin out there for some mins

[Guru of Nothing]

Where's Minix?

[Blizzardwizard]

bryant's been beaten off the dribble at least four times so far. two have led to buckets including an and-one. getting absolutely torched by larsson in particular.


already spent too much time around devin and keldon tbh



then leaves his feet when he had position and gives up a stupid foul


look forward to bumping this shit when he's 5x all-defense in 10 years :hat

[Dejounte]

Ogbo is nice

[lefty20]

Da fuq is Ware doing here?

Bro finished 6th in RotY voting.

[Dejounte]

Ingram with the nice defense again

[Blizzardwizard]

:pop: "the next guy that turns it over... is gonna buy me a new car"

[Spurs Brazil]

Ingram playing good D but not much on offense

[Dejounte]

Bryant has been invisible on defense. Ingram’s has been everywhere on that end.

[Degoat]

Ingrams been asked to guard Forwards, Carter has been guarding guards big difference.

[Mal]

Who are we watching here besides Bryant ?

[onechance87]

Did coach forget to put carter back in

[SpursGenius]

Don’t think there’s been an update yet but I’m like 90% sure he plays in 1-2 Vegas games
Thanks

[Blizzardwizard]

Did coach forget to put carter back in


thought he got frozen out in the last few minutes but scanned the bench multiple times and couldn't see him.


maybe he went back to the locker room with an injury?

[sfernald]

Carter out for season with suckulous injury.

[Dejounte]

Ingram can fill in for Keldon’s role very easily, IMO. He’s obviously better than Branham and Wesley already

[LeBowen]

CB with the drive and FT line pull up!
(we take the positives we can, tbh)

[RC_Drunkford]

Ingram can fill in for Keldon’s role very easily, IMO. He’s obviously better than Branham and Wesley already

he needs to be better offensively. He's not a good shooter from anywhere, including freethrows which he shoots at 57%. If he could ever become a decent 3-point shooter he could be an NBA player.

[Russ]

Ingram could mix in a salad.

[Degoat]

Branham had multiple 20 point games in SL action, it’s a miracle if Ingram gets 10 points lol

[onechance87]

bryant already first guy taken out.

[Degoat]

^^^ Foul trouble, I know your given more in SL but gotta coach that so it doesn’t become a habit

[Dejounte]

he needs to be better offensively. He's not a good shooter from anywhere, including freethrows which he shoots at 57%. If he could ever become a decent 3-point shooter he could be an NBA player.
He’s a connective piece. Without real playmakers on the floor with him, he’s not able to get into any rhythm as well as he should (in fact no one is able to). Offense isn’t just about shooting though, it’s about being in the right place and knowing when to take them. For example, Carter has been taking some bad shots.

[Blizzardwizard]

bryant tired of getting beaten by pelle larsson so horry hipchecks him into oblivion


can respect that strategy tbh :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

He’s a connective piece. Without real playmakers on the floor with him, he’s not able to get into any rhythm as well as he should (in fact no one is able to). Offense isn’t just about shooting though, it’s about being in the right place and knowing when to take them. For example, Carter has been taking some bad shots.

I'm not talking about SL. He averaged 12 PPG in the G-League and shot 28% from 3 and 57% on FTs. That's not good enough. Charles Bassey gets 30 points and 20 boards in his sleep in the G-League.

[Dejounte]

Carter’s also been throwing bad cross court passes. He’s going to need to go to gleague. He doesn’t quite know how to play team basketball just yet.

[SPURt]

The shooting in this game is hard to watch, goodness

[SPURt]

I didn’t know Nelson had that in him

[RC_Drunkford]

Osifo earning himself a spot in Austin

[Blizzardwizard]

carter gets beaten off the dribble (again) and is bailed out by the helping big with a block at the rim


next possession gets turned around on the ball, switches to the wing and watches as his new off-ball assignment walks to the basket for a cutting layup


then gets benched


:depressed

[Mnky]

Man, good thing we judged Wemby by his first summer league appearance. Carter is definitely a bust too.

[onechance87]

weak ass fouls called against us.

[spurraider21]

Carter Branham

[baseline bum]

Kind of expect him to underwhelm in his first game. Most good Spurs do.

Not always though. I remember Tony's debut was so good it got the Sonics to offer Gary Payton for him.

[RC_Drunkford]

man those off the dribble pull ups really make you think Bryant could become a Rudy Gay type of player...

[baseline bum]

Didn't know Carter had that kind of jumper off the dribble nice

[Dex]

Bryant has had a couple nice stop-and-pop jumpshots in this game, and a nice three fading sideways ala Belinelli

[Spurs Brazil]

Bryant doing a good job on the boards

[onechance87]

Nice to see bryant can at least handle the ball abit.Gotta work on his passing tho.

[Blizzardwizard]

carter used his length to force a couple of deflections in the last few possessions and impressively boxed out the big for a couple of rebounds.


definitely looks more confident defending down low than on any of his perimeter assignments.

[ace3g]

A lot of TOs overall for the Spurs.

[Degoat]

Doesn’t help Carter on offense that we have a bunch of “Me” guys with tunnel vision

[palangi]

The guard play is atrocious jones-Garcia and Nelson are black holes with the ball. They don’t even look to set team mates up.

Ingram will never sniff the NBA

i don’t know why we think 6’9” guys are centers.

can’t wait until Vegas when we will have a PG that can create and set up team mates

that woman ref was whistle happy this game and wanted to be seen too. Especially on Carter

[palangi]

That was my thought too. Too much selfish play from the guards

[Degoat]

B- debut, I thought Carter moved nice on the floor, looked bigger than advertised, needs to clean some things up but not anything concerning that can’t be fixed

[onechance87]

B- debut, I thought Carter moved nice on the floor, looked bigger than advertised, needs to clean some things up but not anything concerning that can’t be fixed

Yea hes a big guy.Should probably be guarding 2 thru 4s.Tho jakas is kinda sneaky with his movement.

[Mnky]

Looks pretty stiff with his perimeter movement. Kind of an awkward stance where he's not really in an athletic position to move side to side. Someone mentioned his lack of lateral movement in his draft thread and I definitely saw that. Do think it's more of a coaching issue though. Has such an odd face up on the perimeter.

His shot looks legit. Off the dribble shouldn't be that smooth tbh. He seems to be a vassell type chucker though. He made some fancy shots but they werent exactly high percentage shots. Like some have said though, his teammates really aren't looking for him. Always the tough evaluation in summer league when everyone's playing for survival.

Itll be more entertaining when Harper plays a game with him to see how they set up.

It's always hard to tell if the new kids don't know the system yet or if it's just regular ol sloppy summer league ball that leaves everyone running around with the heads cut off.

Overall a pretty Intriguing kid.

[spurraider21]

Think he’s going to guard mostly 3-4 types and not too many 2’s. I don’t think he’s twitchy enough with the horizontal movement to handle quick guys with sharp handles. But he has the length to hold up on switches when necessary.

to me the biggest positive is that all 3 of his made field goals came off movement. I thought he was much more of a stationary shooter at this stage but that was promising to see.

[John B]

Jameer Nelson Jr though. That kid was relentless and got some hops

[BacktoBasics]

B- debut, I thought Carter moved nice on the floor, looked bigger than advertised, needs to clean some things up but not anything concerning that can’t be fixed

He definitely looks bigger than advertised. If he finds relevance in the league he could carve out a nice career as a rotation 4.

[ace3g]

DLvb0exTfMd

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=233wJIg2bDc&pp=ygUNY2FydGVyIGJyeWFudA%3D%3 D

[Mr. Body]

I didn't watch, but Pelle Larssen is the type of Arizona player Carter Bryant couldn't get past on the roster, supposedly, because Larssen did play for Arizona.

[scottspurs]

Carter Bryant was always going to be a project! He should probably spend the entire season in Austin. Needs work on both sides of the ball. Has the athleticism and right attitude but the IQ is lacking.

Harrison Ingram looked a lot better than last summer league. Positive signs! He fits the mold of the type of player the Spurs like.

Everyone else I’m unsure about after 1 game. For the most part that game was rough to watch lol

[scottspurs]

Carter Bryant was always going to be a project! He should probably spend the entire season in Austin. Needs work on both sides of the ball. Has the athleticism and right attitude but the IQ is lacking.

Harrison Ingram looked a lot better than last summer league. Positive signs! He fits the mold of the type of player the Spurs like.

Everyone else I’m unsure about after 1 game. For the most part that game was rough to watch lol

[palangi]

I hope Ingram isn’t the mold the spurs are looking for…a 6’5” PF who can’t shoot. Holy hell

[ace3g]

https://youtu.be/9t7zJiMU4XE?si=HyKy7rqCIKeiGIJ2


https://youtu.be/3IAzL4UlZKI?si=HqNKwepcTqUbNy2A

[TekXX]

He'll be in Austin next season, i want to see Bryant play.

[rjv]

Man, good thing we judged Wemby by his first summer league appearance. Carter is definitely a bust too.

ST being ST. King of sample size arguments and generalizations.

[tmtcsc]

man those off the dribble pull ups really make you think Bryant could become a Rudy Gay type of player...

“I’ve never been a big Gay guy”.
— Rick Majerus

[ChumpDumper]

Osifo earning himself a spot in Austin
He was there last season.

Jameer Nelson Jr though. That kid was relentless and got some hops
I can bitch about his ball-hogging but he's improved a great deal since his debut in Austin (I was shocked Sr.'s kid could be so bad). His playing in Canada has helped a lot.

[Mr. Body]

Carter definitely knows how to talk the right way.

[Uriel]

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Carter Bryant selection. But it is incredible that a lottery pick was used on a project who will spend an entire year in the G-league despite being on a young, inexperienced team with plenty of minutes to go around.

[Mr. Body]

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Carter Bryant selection. But it is incredible that a lottery pick was used on a project who will spend an entire year in the G-league despite being on a young, inexperienced team with plenty of minutes to go around.

I don't have great feelings about him. There's a lot of room to think he just doesn't have the high level processing needed. It was a big swing. I kind of wish we could have gotten that package from NOP that Atlanta got.

[Dejounte]

ST being ST. King of sample size arguments and generalizations.

If you guys are referring to my posts, it honestly feels like you’ve never read a game thread before. Posts in a game thread are live reactions and observations based on that specific game. That’s the whole point. If I say a player looks bad tonight, I’m talking about tonight. And if I say something like “he’s gonna struggle this season,” that’s obviously assuming the performance we’re seeing continues. It’s not a prophecy.

Next game, Carter Bryant could drop 30 and look amazing, and I’d probably post something like “he’s an All-Star in the making.” That wouldn’t contradict what I said tonight. It would just reflect what happened in that game. That’s how game threads work. Not every comment is a career verdict.

[Dejounte]

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Carter Bryant selection. But it is incredible that a lottery pick was used on a project who will spend an entire year in the G-league despite being on a young, inexperienced team with plenty of minutes to go around.

*because i have to say it: if this game is indicator of how his performance will be for the early part of next season, if not the whole season* - then Carter is not ready. Nothing about his game today indicated he’s ready to contribute to a team trying to make the playoffs. One could say well duh he’s still learning the ropes. That’s not what i’m referring to. Rookie Castle could have the same statline Carter had tonight and still show he’s way ahead in the basketball brain department - that’s because even with a poor statline, Castle knows how to position himself when his teammates have the ball, knows when to take a shot even if he doesn’t make it looks like a good shot, knows when to pass even if it doesnt lead to an assist, etc. - things that don’t show up on the box score. Carter’s fundamentals tonight was poor.

[TekXX]

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Carter Bryant selection. But it is incredible that a lottery pick was used on a project who will spend an entire year in the G-league despite being on a young, inexperienced team with plenty of minutes to go around.

Wright has a type, very primoish.

[mystargtr34]

Off ball and low usage players tend to look worse in summer league vs on ball guys who have the ball in their hands more.

I only watched a bit of the game on my phone. Bryant’s jumper looked nice to me despite a couple of bad misses. Defensively he was out of position a lot and got blown by by Larson a few times seemed like he got in terrible front on squared up defensive stances.

You can’t judge these off ball guys by summer league. Last year Grassy Dick averaged 11 on 31% shooting in 2 games, Clingan looked awful on offense, in 2023 cason Wallace 9 PPG on 30%, Coulibaly 12 on 40%, Podz 9 on 26% FG, Jovic 9 pints on 20%.

There’s lots of scrubs in the summer league who are better on the ball then elite role players in the nba but the role players are way more valuable to winning basketball games when surrounded by better on ball talent and structure.

[mystargtr34]

Grassy Dick lol Gradey Dick*

[Mr. Body]

*because i have to say it: if this game is indicator of how his performance will be for the early part of next season, if not the whole season* - then Carter is not ready. Nothing about his game today indicated he’s ready to contribute to a team trying to make the playoffs. One could say well duh he’s still learning the ropes. That’s not what i’m referring to. Rookie Castle could have the same statline Carter had tonight and still show he’s way ahead in the basketball brain department - that’s because even with a poor statline, Castle knows how to position himself when his teammates have the ball, knows when to take a shot even if he doesn’t make it looks like a good shot, knows when to pass even if it doesnt lead to an assist, etc. - things that don’t show up on the box score. Carter’s fundamentals tonight was poor.

It's not a huge surprise. Dude couldn't manage 20 minutes a game as a freshman and scored all of about 6 points a game. People tried to pretend it was because the coach stuffed him behind older players, but that's no excuse. A coach is going to play good players. Carter Bryant wasn't ready in college and he's certainly not ready for the NBA. That's not to say he can't learn. Of course he can. But he's very, very similar to Primo in that this is a young player who you hope can develop in a certain way.

[taps]

Man, good thing we judged Wemby by his first summer league appearance. Carter is definitely a bust too.
Before the Summer League that year there was a small press event where Wemby missed a couple of shots and one of ESPN’s Trump radio guys said he was going to be a bad shooter based off that

[Gibbz]

Wright has a type, very primoish.

It was a little bit of a surprise Bryant lasted to #14. Comparing it to the wild swing for Primo is total nonsense.

[ChumpDumper]

It was a little bit of a surprise Bryant lasted to #14. Comparing it to the wild swing for Primo is total nonsense.

Exactly. The mocks I saw had him 10-12.

He should be fine even if he has to spend most of the year in Austin. The faster pace could help him adjust. It's super important they get a real distributor in Austin to set him up. Nelson looks like he's getting better and is already looking for Bryant but they're really missing a better passer like Bouyea.

[poopbox]

It was a little bit of a surprise Bryant lasted to #14. Comparing it to the wild swing for Primo is total nonsense.

It's a surprise a guy who didn't start and averaged 6 points a game lasted to 14?

[Mr. Body]

It was a little bit of a surprise Bryant lasted to #14. Comparing it to the wild swing for Primo is total nonsense.

Primo actually had more duties for Alabama than Bryant did at Arizona. They are remarkably similar in how wet behind the ears they were.

[Degoat]

Jumping to conclusions after 1 summer league game shows how idiotic some on here are lmao same crew that freaked out when wemby struggled in his games, let the kid get his feet wet before you start calling him Primo

[Mnky]

Before the Summer League that year there was a small press event where Wemby missed a couple of shots and one of ESPN’s Trump radio guys said he was going to be a bad shooter based off that

I liked what he said in his interview about the mental mistakes. Similar to what Wemby was saying that first year.

[sfernald]

I hope Ingram isn’t the mold the spurs are looking for…a 6’5” PF who can’t shoot. Holy hell

Has the lift of a third grader. Can’t make a layup. Yay.

[Ice009]

I don't have great feelings about him. There's a lot of room to think he just doesn't have the high level processing needed. It was a big swing. I kind of wish we could have gotten that package from NOP that Atlanta got.

Yeah, I would have be super happy with that package from NOP :(. It sucks in more ways than one that Atlanta took it as it could affect the 2027 pick from ATL if they get a good player out of it.

It's only one game, but do you think the Spurs should have went with Thomas Sorber instead over CB?

[sfernald]

Yeah, I would have be super happy with that package from NOP :(. It sucks in more ways than one that Atlanta took it as it could affect the 2027 pick from ATL if they get a good player out of it.

It's only one game, but do you think the Spurs should have went with Thomas Sorber instead over CB?

Thomas Sorber isn’t playing in summer league so hard for us to gauge but based on presti drafting and the players they did bring to summer league, quite possibly. For example Ajay Mitchell looks like Tony Parker in summer league and topic looks like a future star with a little Ginobili in his game. Even second round pick Barnhizer looks fucking amazing, like the next Dort type stud. He absolutely dominated the boards and looked nba strong.

[Ice009]

The reason I mention Sorber is because he can play PF/C which I think was a bigger need for the Spurs. Carter has more upside, but maybe Sorber was the safer pick.
I know he's out injured/recovering still, but was more looking at the position he plays.

[sfernald]

The reason I mention Sorber is because he can play PF/C which I think was a bigger need for the Spurs. Carter has more upside, but maybe Sorber was the safer pick.
I know he's out injured/recovering still, but was more looking at the position he plays.

I think at the end of the day spurs thought Bryant was the best available player and I agree. We just have to be more patient with him as many on here are saying. Rather not draft for positional need. We still need talent.

[Mr. Body]

Jumping to conclusions after 1 summer league game shows how idiotic some on here are lmao same crew that freaked out when wemby struggled in his games, let the kid get his feet wet before you start calling him Primo

That's just revisionism. Primo had some really nice summer league games, really nice, showed flashes. We have no idea how he would have developed. You're acting like he was drafted knowing what would happen. But, yes, Carter Bryant and Primo are exceptionally similar in terms of how much they played and the limited impacts they had as freshmen and how they were drafted with being hopeful for the future.

[itzsoweezee]

Spurstalk freaking out after one summer league game? Shocking! You all are the most manic depressive group of posters on the internet

[sfernald]

The biggest hot take after one summer league game I’ve seen so far is that we already blew the draft by drafting Harper instead of edgecomb. Edgecomb looks like prime Westbrook after one game apparently.

[CorrectCrusader]

I appreciated the confidence Carter was shooting with. That's very important.

[LeBowen]

Edgecomb looks like prime Westbrook after one game apparently.

He indeed does.
28 points on 27 shots.

[8FOR!3]

That's just revisionism. Primo had some really nice summer league games, really nice, showed flashes. We have no idea how he would have developed. You're acting like he was drafted knowing what would happen. But, yes, Carter Bryant and Primo are exceptionally similar in terms of how much they played and the limited impacts they had as freshmen and how they were drafted with being hopeful for the future.

Not to mention Primo was always a strange pick. No one had him projected as a lottery pick. Most didn't have him in the first round and some didn't even have him on their draft boards. Most people agreed on Carter Bryant going somewhere in the lottery. Primo was slightly undersized and not very athletic. He was not explosive and lacked when it came to creating his own shot. And he was not a great defender. Bryant has the size, athleticism, and moves like an NBA wing. I was never a fan of the Primo pick bc most of what I listed was never going to get much better. Carter Bryant might be a bit green, Primo was green AND he was undersized and not a plus athlete and struggled to create his own shot and he wasn't aggressive. So he had plenty working against him. Primo is just a lazy comparison but you're right the one thing they have in common is their college impacts.

[Spurs Homer]

lol

rookie was ok and he will get better and better - I doubt he spends much time in the G league - if at all -

[Mr. Body]

Not to mention Primo was always a strange pick. No one had him projected as a lottery pick. Most didn't have him in the first round and some didn't even have him on their draft boards. Most people agreed on Carter Bryant going somewhere in the lottery. Primo was slightly undersized and not very athletic. He was not explosive and lacked when it came to creating his own shot. And he was not a great defender. Bryant has the size, athleticism, and moves like an NBA wing. I was never a fan of the Primo pick bc most of what I listed was never going to get much better. Carter Bryant might be a bit green, Primo was green AND he was undersized and not a plus athlete and struggled to create his own shot and he wasn't aggressive. So he had plenty working against him. Primo is just a lazy comparison but you're right the one thing they have in common is their college impacts.

Primo had good size for a guard and was handling some point duties for an Alabama team as a freshman. Like, literally he was more important to Alabama than Bryant was for Arizona. They both had completely underwhelming stats.

Y'all are just fucking wrong on this one. :lol

[rjv]

If you guys are referring to my posts, it honestly feels like you’ve never read a game thread before. Posts in a game thread are live reactions and observations based on that specific game. That’s the whole point. If I say a player looks bad tonight, I’m talking about tonight. And if I say something like “he’s gonna struggle this season,” that’s obviously assuming the performance we’re seeing continues. It’s not a prophecy.

Next game, Carter Bryant could drop 30 and look amazing, and I’d probably post something like “he’s an All-Star in the making.” That wouldn’t contradict what I said tonight. It would just reflect what happened in that game. That’s how game threads work. Not every comment is a career verdict.

Wasn’t responding to your posts. I never even read any of them. If I recall, I generally like most of your posts.

[Ariel]

That's just revisionism. Primo had some really nice summer league games, really nice, showed flashes. We have no idea how he would have developed. You're acting like he was drafted knowing what would happen. But, yes, Carter Bryant and Primo are exceptionally similar in terms of how much they played and the limited impacts they had as freshmen and how they were drafted with being hopeful for the future.
Primo just got cut much in the same way hundreds of players do, if he didn't manage to work himself back in the league you can't just it up to what happened, it's far more likely he was just not good enough to begin with, as EVERYONE but the Spurs thought.

[exstatic]

Primo had good size for a guard and was handling some point duties for an Alabama team as a freshman. Like, literally he was more important to Alabama than Bryant was for Arizona. They both had completely underwhelming stats.

Y'all are just fucking wrong on this one. :lol

Stats are irrelevant to a player’s draft projection. There is a consensus as to where most players are slotted in the draft. Primo was a consensus second rounder. Bryant was a consensus top 10. Primo was a BIG reach. Carter fell to us. They are not the same, no matter how many times you say it.

[RC_Drunkford]

why don't we play the Bulls so we can see Bryant vs. Primo?

[Mr. Body]

Primo just got cut much in the same way hundreds of players do, if he didn't manage to work himself back in the league you can't just it up to what happened, it's far more likely he was just not good enough to begin with, as EVERYONE but the Spurs thought.

No. Primo missed about two to three years of very key and constant development. I don't really get why people just constantly get this wrong. They think:

1) the Spurs drafted him knowing he would be exposing himself
2) that development doesn't matter at all

Both are false. It's just retrograde misunderstanding of anything going on.

[Mr. Body]

Stats are irrelevant to a player’s draft projection. There is a consensus as to where most players are slotted in the draft. Primo was a consensus second rounder. Bryant was a consensus top 10. Primo was a BIG reach. Carter fell to us. They are not the same, no matter how many times you say it.

Primo was definitely not a consensus second rounder. He was coming up the boards and there was movement that other teams were very interested. Maybe if the Spurs don't take him, he goes in the 20s. Yes, Murphy and Sengun were the better picks, but it's just straight up lying to say he was a SRP.

Look, y'all, you're just rewriting history and trying to cope with Bryant, making him out to be better than he is.

[Mr. Body]

And, ultimately, I don't care where Carter Bryant was slotted in this year's projections. End of lottery sounds about right. Anything earlier was crazy. And, yes, absolutely is he similar to Primo in that they are very, very far from where you hope they go.

Any other argument is missing what my point is here. Yeah, Primo didn't develop. So the fuck what. That's not what I'm talking about. They're both coming off freshmen NCAA years where they were not very good and had big problems, but promising things. And, yes, Primo did have more duties for Alabama. Full stop.

[ChumpDumper]

It's rewriting history to say Bryant was mocked as high as 10?

[LeBowen]

He was in #10 to #15 range in most mocks, I'd say at that point it becomes about fit more than BPA, especially for a projected role player like Bryant.

There's nothing wrong with the pick. Our guard situation is projected to be among the best in the league for both near and long term future, drafting a big has limited upside because we won't be playing with two bigs and we'll need a lot of 3-D wings over the course of Wemby's career.

Bryant has legit size, good athleticism and a functional jumpshot. We don't need him to become the next nephew, we'll be happy if he develops into that Green/Bowen role.

The only thing I maybe regret is that Hawks took the Pelicans offer right before us, that was massive value added for them.

[palangi]

Spurstalk freaking out after one summer league game? Shocking! You all are the most manic depressive group of posters on the internet
Yeah but we were lectured on it that it is a game thread so grown man can act like a teenage girl with his feelings everywhere.
ridiculous the way some are acting. And to excuse it by saying it’sa game thread I am allowed to act like this??? Ha ha

[cd98]

I'm sure Bryant will be fine. His ceiling doesn't have to be that high to hit and the Spurs don't need him to be the best player in this draft. If he is a good defender and he hits threes, they will be thrilled, even if he is never an all star. He reminds me a little of Robert Horry, though obviously he hasn't hit the clutch shots. I just mean that in terms of game. I don't think Bryant will ever be an all star, but a key contributing starter, yes, I think he can be that. He has the right size and athleticism to hit as a 3 and D player. That's why he was drafted in the lottery.

[K...]

sigh primo was developed as a ball dominate pass first guard who could maybe shoot or use strength to get an advantage. IDK if the spurs ever said what they saw him has, but he has more in common with point sochan than bryant. Bryant is competing with SF Sochan which is its own can of worms. Castle is a realized version of the primo dream i think. Big guard who can bully his way to the rim. Obv castle is far far more athletic than primo. Primo needed like 4 years to be a realized project i think. Without wemby the tank would go on long enough to allow it.


I think on balance primo might have been better than branham and westly. They each have advantages but primo was closer to a starting player than those guys ever were. granted it was on a tank team

[Gibbz]

Look, y'all, you're just rewriting history and trying to cope with Bryant, making him out to be better than he is.

Rarely seen such blatant projection, holy shit. Primo pick was a shock to basically everyone, Bryant pick was chalk. There is no other reality and that's all I and most are getting at.

[Ariel]

No. Primo missed about two to three years of very key and constant development. I don't really get why people just constantly get this wrong. They think:

1) the Spurs drafted him knowing he would be exposing himself
2) that development doesn't matter at all

Both are false. It's just retrograde misunderstanding of anything going on.
Primo didn't lose two to three years, less than one year passed between the moment he was released form the Spurs in October 2022 and when he was picked up by the Clippers on a two way contract in September 2023, which is less than the time lots of players miss every year due to injury or other reasons, with him being able to train and improve his skills and contitioning all of that time. To assume his career was derailed by the situation you'd need to prove 1) he was on his way to having a successful NBA career and 2) it was that particular event that stopped that from happening. Players survive worse situations all the time, provided they are talented enough. He just wasn't good enough to begin with at anything in particular.

[Ariel]

It's rewriting history to say Bryant was mocked as high as 10?
Carter Bryant was mocked as high as top 10 and as low as the 2nd round. Truth be told he isn't (and was never) a sure thing, he's a gamble the Spurs took like most of the players in that range would have been (my top options were him, Sorber, Coward and Beringer). I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't pan out, but I'm not giving up on a guy on one game of summer league, he's got plenty of interesting traits that make him an worthwhile gamble and we'll have to wait a while before we can truly judge him.

[8FOR!3]

Primo had good size for a guard and was handling some point duties for an Alabama team as a freshman. Like, literally he was more important to Alabama than Bryant was for Arizona. They both had completely underwhelming stats.

Y'all are just fucking wrong on this one. :lol

1. That Alabama team wasn't as good as that Arizona team.

2. Primo mostly played off Ball for Alabama and struggled with the Spurs when he played PG. A 6'4 shooting guard isn't "good" size it's below average unless you are a true point guard, but he clearly wasn't. And of course you just nitpick what I said and ignored everything else I said about him.