Trump declares war on Americans

[Winehole23]

He just come right out and say it now

History hasn't been kind to brutal strongmen

My PFA take, he's gonna lose the war


"The ones that are run by radical left Democrats -- what they've done to San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles. They're very unsafe places & we're gonna straighten them out one by one. This is gonna be a major part for some people in this room. That's a war too. It's war from within"

[GAustex]

Enemies foreign and domestic

[Winehole23]

Enemies foreign and domesticNever mind the clause that comes right before that

So basically, anyone who doesn't support Trump is an enemy who needs to be destroyed?

[Winehole23]

MAGA is the most weak-ass, loser shit ever

it's going down

[GAustex]

Sucks when the rabbit has the gun

[Winehole23]

Sucks when the rabbit has the gunyou can't do politics with just a gun

[ChumpDumper]

Sucks when the rabbit has the gunYou're a rabbit now?

:lol so stupid

[Winehole23]

this is the Robert Paxton definition from about 20 years ago


…the ideas that underlie fascist actions are best deduced from those actions…Many of them belong more to the realm of visceral feelings than to the realm of reasoned propositions. In chapter 2 I called them ‘mobilizing passions’…”




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[Winehole23]

Sucks when the rabbit has the gunso like, who all are your enemies?

every liberal?

every Democratic Party voter?

[Winehole23]

everyone who believes stuff that annoys you?

[Winehole23]

Fascism is vibes based.

It's an aesthetic, not an ideology. The rhetoric and reason answer to the tender feelings of scared, pathetic losers like GAustex and Koriwhat rather than any internal consistency.

[Blake]

Felon rabbit

[Winehole23]

Trump is a terminal loser.

Once it sinks in, his followers will abandon him like a dead dog in the street.

[Winehole23]

Some of y'all will be barred from offices of public trust for life

Some of you will have to go to jail

And some of you will end up murdered in a ditch, that's part of the way fascism ends

This is the world y'all have made, the world will unmake you

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

hmm

i wonder if they had any warrants


ABC7 spoke to Pertissue Fisher, a woman who lives in the building. She said ICE agents took everyone in the building, including her, and asked questions later.

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/post/ice-chicago-federal-agents-surround-south-shore-apartment-building-dhs-requests-military-deployment-illinois/17908911/

[Spurs Homer]

But - its just “hyperbole”

[Winehole23]

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us

[Blake]

Trump is a terminal loser.

Once it sinks in, his followers will abandon him like a dead dog in the street.

After he's out of office

[Blake]

hmm

i wonder if they had any warrants



https://abc7chicago.com/amp/post/ice-chicago-federal-agents-surround-south-shore-apartment-building-dhs-requests-military-deployment-illinois/17908911/

Christians that voted for Trump turning the other way on these people

[Winehole23]

"Rodrick Johnson, 67, is one of many residents who were detained by federal agents during the South Shore raid. A U.S. citizen, he said agents broke through his door and dragged him out in zip ties."https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-immigration-raid-on-chicago-apartment-building-leaves-residents-reeling-i-feel-defeated

[Blake]

When will there be criminal charges pressed against some of these agents

[Winehole23]

When will there be criminal charges pressed against some of these agentsIn Broadview, Illinois right now there are three open criminal investigations, I think.

[Winehole23]

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/broadview-criminal-investigations-ice-activity-facility-fence/

[Winehole23]

Christians that voted for Trump turning the other way on these peopleTrumpy consolidation of power and destruction of public capacity will whittle away at his base

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:a6sdf4kjnusp7xaegpt2obdb/bafkreiekqfrun6hoks4lrjpehfnxz3reh7f7dfblacti6h44k d32lleu7a@jpeghttps://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-immigration-raid-on-chicago-apartment-building-leaves-residents-reeling-i-feel-defeated

[Winehole23]

the immigration sweeps aren't strictly targeted, any nearby Americans can get swept up without probable cause

police state shit


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[Winehole23]

ICE is running around harassing people for not being white. Just a year ago that was illegal in the United States. Now, ICE is making it commonplace. That’s not making America great.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

it also deserves mention that Trump is at war with our form of government

impoundment, illegal coercion, taxation without representation, censorship and lawless enforcement are legion

[Winehole23]

https://i0.wp.com/bcc-newspack.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2025/10/100125-7500-S-South-Shore-Raid-Colin-Boyle-3903.jpg?fit=780%2C520&ssl=1

Dan returns to his apartment unit, which was completely ransacked and had items left behind that were not his — at 7500 S. South Shore Drive in South Shore on Oct. 1, 2025. The apartment building was raided by federal agents the morning before. Credit: Colin Boyle/Block Club Chicago

[Winehole23]

https://i0.wp.com/bcc-newspack.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2025/10/100125-7500-S-South-Shore-Raid-Colin-Boyle-4075-1024x682.jpg?resize=1024%2C682&ssl=1

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Blake]

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Why is the ceiling moldy looking? They should have gone after the landlord

[Winehole23]

110 of 150 people in the building were US citizens detained without PC


You can't raid and arrest everyone in an entire apartment building, or even legitimately get a warrant to do that (https://bsky.app/profile/andycraig.bsky.social/post/3m2a3kvlcok2v), any more than you could for a whole neighborhood. That would be a general warrant. This is the most specific core the-British-did-it-to-us thing the Fourth Amendment is written to ban.

[Winehole23]

tearing American families apart


Arkansas police pulled over an Indian GrubHub driver wh ois married to a U.S. citizen. They found a bottle of Opium-brand perfume, arrested him for narcotics possession, and turned him over to ICE, where he was held for 30 days.

He has now been stripped of his immigration status.https://www.bentoncourier.com/news/traffic-stop-in-benton-leads-to-ice-detention-deportation-risk/article_d6be2ddb-f9bb-4439-b10f-ca663c41de83.html

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:on5oeywiqx32fh2zau473wz6/bafkreiaw44d4fgzualkhyz4lbl7fbza7ex6yep34dvr6ake4o nac2kmade@jpeghttps://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/09/16/homeland-security-secretary-kristi-noem-leads-elgin-raid-4-arrested

[Winehole23]

so totally unnecessary but for the propaganda value


Low-flying helicopters, bright lights and smoke bombs were used in a raid Tuesday. Joe Botello, 37, and five roommates were led out of a home in the 900 block of Chippewa Drive. Kristi Noem was among the ICE agents who wore camouflage and used military trucks.

[Winehole23]

tearing American communities apart


Mary Hornish lives a few houses away from Botello’s home and was startled from sleep by low-flying helicopters over her house.

“I thought we were going to war or something, and I got kind of scared,” Hornish said.

“These [immigrants] are very good people. This is a good neighborhood. They’re hardworking. I could ask any of them, you know, for something, and they would be happy to help me out. And I’m just, I’m really sad, because I can’t imagine something like that happening to anyone.”

Hornish said she doesn’t want to see federal agents on the streets of her community. “I think it’s an intrusion, and I don’t think it’s right.”

[Blake]

I'd like to see how the 2nd amendment honks who think their weapons of self defense against the government would fair in this situation

[Blake]

tearing American communities apart

It's for her safety. They're eating the dogs.

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:zhcfq6acrvb6ermtjt644w2n/bafkreidgdr3q43qgctz3ljlrd67wr4cirmv23xvw2kqwduwyk te7vnijae@jpeghttps://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/lawsuit-filed-immigration-authorities-after-us-citizens-arrests-126125137


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[Winehole23]

This is a prepared statement, in response to a lawsuit claiming fourth amendment violations. The response: yes we are violating the Fourth Amendment

[Winehole23]

South Shore story has broken out of the bubble

https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-11823082

[Blake]

"..Current and former police leaders, citing rising threats of violence, are expressing alarm over a“disturbing rise in rhetoric” in the U.S. and calling for the criminal prosecution of “individuals, including elected and public figures, who incite violence or contribute to a climate that fosters targeted attacks.”

In an unusual step, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, one of the country’s largest police associations, recently passed a resolution condemning the “incitement of violence.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-chiefs-sound-alarm-disturbing-rise-rhetoric-cite-rising-politic-rcna233948

Now the prosecutors need to step up and concur with this.

[koriwhat]

Never mind the clause that comes right before that

So basically, anyone who doesn't support Trump is an enemy who needs to be destroyed?

no, anyone who holds feds/leos hostage inside a fed building that they're trying to burn to the ground for yrs on, those burning cities to the ground circa 2020 and now, those who tried to overturn our gov't and rig elections, those who subscribe to any and all forms of soft/hard communism, and those like you who lie endlessly by trying to sugar coat your bs and play the victim. Fuck you leftist scumbags!

[koriwhat]

tearing American communities apart

Getting rid of the illegal alien filth in this country! I'd trade them all to get rid of all of you leftist scumbags.

[ChumpDumper]

^clear fascist

[Spurs Homer]

Funny

once someone uses the term "leftist" and wishes death upon every single person who does not want fascism...
what is left?

This wont happen - but it would save millions of lives and heartaches if we could just start hearings and negotiations into just splitting up this shithole and finding creative ways to "nationally divorce"

magats/white supremacists can have a piece of the country and people can choose to live in white amerikka -

or go to the other side where all are welcome regardless of their label -

it would save so much tragedy....and in the end - the nazi's will turn on each other because if they had a exclusive white supremacist country -

who would they turn their inner evil hatred against?

[Winehole23]

is the president a lawgiver in our system of government?

legislation is 100% the prerogative of Congress



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[BadMotorscooter]

Some of y'all will be barred from offices of public trust for life

Some of you will have to go to jail

And some of you will end up murdered in a ditch, that's part of the way fascism ends

This is the world y'all have made, the world will unmake you

This post should be looked at by law enforcement.....are you saying republicans will be murdered and thrown in a ditch, winehole? And then saying this is the world they made and the world will unmake them....sounds threatening.

[ChumpDumper]

This post should be looked at by law enforcement.....are you saying republicans will be murdered and thrown in a ditch, winehole? And then saying this is the world they made and the world will unmake them....sounds threatening.Are you going to report this to the FBI?

Or are you too much of a pussy?

[Winehole23]

This post should be looked at by law enforcement.....are you saying republicans will be murdered and thrown in a ditch, winehole? And then saying this is the world they made and the world will unmake them....sounds threatening.It's a prediction, I'm not going to do anything to anyone. Republicans who are resisting our tyrannical government probably have nothing to worry about.

[Winehole23]

oppressing people and taking away their rights can have real world consequences. that's not me being threatening, it's just human nature.

[Winehole23]

Are you going to report this to the FBI?

Or are you too much of a pussy?oh I think that anonymous subforum comments read by dozens of people scare him plenty. being a scared loser is sort of the default position of MAGAlandia

[Winehole23]

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[Spurs Homer]

This post should be looked at by law enforcement.....are you saying republicans will be murdered and thrown in a ditch, winehole? And then saying this is the world they made and the world will unmake them....sounds threatening.



Just be a little creative in your brain...
the playbook trump is following has been used successfully by several dictators...
successfully...

until - it isn't.

Successful until the pendulum swings back and all the destruction that made it "successful" now starts swinging back the other way and those he did not extinguish...
want to exact their revenge.

We all have seen that movie and we all know the ending and we all warned you how it ends but the evil hatred inside you was not quenched one bit and you cheered hard for this - and probably still are.

Seek help.

[GAustex]

Ice ice baby
DHS out to get you Winehole

[ChumpDumper]

Ice ice baby
DHS out to get you Winehole

Why do you want US citizens to be abducted by masked secret police without a warrant?

[GAustex]

Pav Russia Russia Russia is unhinged
Seek help

[GAustex]

Loser

[ChumpDumper]

Pav Russia Russia Russia is unhinged
Seek help


Loser

I asked you a direct question about your government.

Why do you want US citizens to be abducted by masked secret police without a warrant?

Please explain your reasons.

[GAustex]

Go burn something down
Or shoot someone
It’s what you do

[ChumpDumper]

Go burn something down
Or shoot someone
It’s what you do
It isn't.

I'm asking you a direct question. That's what I do.

Why do you want US citizens to be abducted by masked secret police without a warrant?

Please explain your reasons.

[Winehole23]

Ice ice baby
DHS out to get you Wineholenot sure why, I'm native born and haven't threatened anyone

[ChumpDumper]

It's weird that Trumptards are so eager to give away their own constitutional rights just because they have daddy issues.

One would think they would be at least suspicious of proxy daddy.

[GAustex]

not sure why, I'm native born and haven't threatened anyone
Bs
You threatened above
But you don’t want no smoke

[ChumpDumper]

Bs
You threatened above
But you don’t want no smoke
Explain the threat that is frightening you so much you will never report it ever.

[Winehole23]

Bs
You threatened above
But you don’t want no smokewho did I threaten?

[Winehole23]

If the future imposes a price on y'all's fuckery, it won't be because I said something on anonymous sports forum

[Winehole23]

lol GAustex urging posters to take it to the street, but siccing the cops on words

[ChumpDumper]

lol GAustex urging posters to take it to the street, but siccing the cops on words

lol he's too much of a pussy to turn you in

He's just a pathetic coward.

[Winehole23]

lol he's too much of a pussy to turn you in

He's just a pathetic coward.I don't mind a bit if GAustex snitches me out, I hope he wastes their time

[ChumpDumper]

I don't mind a bit if GAustex snitches me out, I hope he wastes their time

I'd love to see it happen because I know how it would play out.

GAustex has been terrified into paralysis. He will do absolutely nothing about this.:lol

[Winehole23]

imperial boomerang: Trump is waging an internal war of counterinsurgency


Chicago Theater of Operations: Training for Further Cruelty


Trump told (https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-speech-department-of-defense-leaders-quantico-september-30-2025/) the U.S. military commanders convened in Quantico that “inner cities” should be used as “training grounds” for the military. This was evident in the Chicago theater of operations, where agents also enacted Trump and Hegseth’s redefinition of the battlefield and the enemy. After days of flooding the streets with troops, on October 1 the government staged a multi-agency raid on civilians in an apartment building in the middle of the night. State security forces used weapons of war —a Blackhawk helicopter, military-scale vehicles, flash-bang grenades —on families with the excuse of looking for undocumented immigrants and people supposedly connected to foreign drug gangs and cartels.


“I’ve been on military bases for a good portion of my life,” said (https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/03/us/chicago-apartment-ice-raid)Darrell Ballard, who lives in the building next door, of the Chicago raid. “And the activity I saw – it was an invasion.”




Some residents came back to find that state security forces had returned to wreck their apartments and removed furniture and electronics.


Private homes become targets in COIN warfare waged by a military abroad, where an occupation or invasion by a foreign power is being contested by the civilian population. When you are fighting irregular forces, everyone can be a suspect or collaborator.

But such thinking also guides the behavior of militaries staging occupations and crackdowns on domestic soil. Here it is Democratic-run cities that are enemy territory to be occupied, but in juntas that follow military coups it unfolds at a national level. I do not exclude that happening here if Trump starts to face resistance in Republican-led states and cities.

Chile is an instructive case. After the 1973 U.S.-backed coup, the military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet used the excuse of foreign invaders to institute an extended state of emergency which it called the “time of war.” Declaring war on Chileans allowed for exceptional measures and the redefinition of civilians as enemy combatants who could be tried by military courts, tortured by soldiers, and so on.

I wrote extensively about Chile and the larger history of the “foreigners are coming over the border” propaganda theme in my book Strongmen (https://wwnorton.com/books/strongmen). We are seeing a repetition of it with the Trump administration’s claims that foreigners are partnering with subversives inside America, and thus only an ongoing armed state crackdown can eradicate the double threat.

The Chicago assault reminded me of Pinochet’s attacks on neighborhoods inhabited by poor people, and more generally of the treatment the junta gave to “enemies of the state” of all social classes. Not only were they arrested, but their books and other possessions were thrown into the street, and objectionable books were burned by Chilean soldiers. Such public spectacles are designed to send a message that “we are all-powerful, we can humiliate and harm you” and terrorize the population.


https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wn1o!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pro gressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2238d2 1-3ce9-4ea7-9a5c-f3316214c7c1_866x738.png





(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wn1o!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2238d2 1-3ce9-4ea7-9a5c-f3316214c7c1_866x738.png)Chilean soldiers incinerating books after raids on apartment buildings in Santiago. Source: Gonzalo Leiva Quijada, El Golpe Estético Dictadura Mlitar en Chile 1973-1989, (Santiago, 2012).


When civilians are redefined as enemy combatants, the path is open to treat them with maximum brutality and erase their humanity. Chicago was a teaching moment for police and other state security forces nationally: they are being told by White House shadow chief Stephen Miller and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth that they are now "unleashed" (https://www.newsweek.com/stephen-miller-unleashed-message-memphis-police-10815421) and their hands "untied." (https://www.war.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/4318689/secretary-of-war-pete-hegseth-addresses-general-and-flag-officers-at-quantico-v/)That is why naked children were tied up and placed on public display for hours in Chicago.

Pertissue Fisher was among those taken out of her home in the middle of the night. “They just treated us like we were nothing,” she told (https://abc7chicago.com/post/ice-chicago-federal-agents-surround-south-shore-apartment-building-dhs-requests-military-deployment-illinois/17908911/) ABC7 news. That was the point.
https://open.substack.com/pub/lucid/p/war-on-america-chicago-theater-of

[Winehole23]

Russ Vaught's rescissions for blue states only reinforce it

[koriwhat]

Russ Vaught's rescissions for blue states only reinforces it

:lmao chicken little

[ChumpDumper]

^ What is this dipshit talking about now?

[Winehole23]

I'd like to see how the 2nd amendment honks who think their weapons of self defense against the government would fair in this situationIf I understand this correctly, BPS shot live fire into a car, and later found a gun after the victim drove herself to the hospital.

Details are murky, but BPS is in way over its head imho


U.S. Border Patrol shot a woman Saturday morning on Chicago’s Southwest Side, marking the second shooting since President Donald Trump’s administration launched an aggressive immigration enforcement operation in the area last month.

Tricia McLaughlin, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, said the shooting erupted after patrolling agents were “rammed by 10 cars” and “boxed in.” Agents then fired “defensive shots” when they discovered the woman “was armed with a semi-automatic weapon” while driving one of the cars, McLaughlin said.

The Chicago Sun-Times and WBEZ have not independently verified the feds’ account. The exact time and location of the shooting weren’t immediately known.

McLaughlin said “no law enforcement officers were seriously injured,” and the wounded woman “drove herself to the hospital to get care for wounds.” But Larry Merritt, a Chicago Fire Department spokesman, said she was found near 39th Street and Kedzie Av
htps://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/04/shooting-involving-federal-agents-in-brighton-park-under-investigation

[Winehole23]

^ What is this dipshit talking about now?unfortunately asking kw is scant help on that account

[Winehole23]

CPD choking on tear gas (https://bsky.app/profile/unraveledpress.com/post/3m2fep6blxs2p) fired by ICE seems to be happening

[koriwhat]

LOL BlueCommieSky...

Btw, LOL CommiePD choking on tear gas... GOOD!

[Winehole23]

you think CPD are commies?

:lmao

[Winehole23]

correspondent for the Economist


I visited the apartment building ICE raided on Tuesday today. Story to come, but you can walk right in. Half of the apartments have no doors on them. Children's stuff abandoned in some flats. *Citizen* residents told me they were arrested and held for hours in zipties. This is America (https://bsky.app/profile/dlknowles.bsky.social/post/3m2fhh5piu22g)

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Why is the ceiling moldy looking? They should have gone after the landlordthe crispy conspiranoid online has long theorized police violence as a real estate developer (in cahoots with local police) condemnation/conversion scam

police render the property uninhabitable, the resulting tax adjustment puts money back into the landlord's pocket while also getting rid of all his pesky tenants

[Winehole23]

Illinois Governor, JB Pritzker


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:gx3pvpa3rsczyr5fs3lyiv2g/bafkreigyu4dg2iwgcfk6xjemsclfgfljkgdkatt7mygxwohdp kae4hvxve@jpeg

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[Winehole23]

constitutional for connotational?

was this AI transcribed?

[koriwhat]

you think CPD are commies?

:lmao

I think the Portland PD are commies. Chicago PD might be the same but I doubt they're all commies.

[Winehole23]

ok

maybe you should tell them that

[koriwhat]

ok

maybe you should tell them that

I wouldn't dare go to Portland. If I did, I'd be in jail instantly because I'm not as nice as those independent journalists who keep getting harassed by all them weak leftists.

[Winehole23]

I wouldn't dare go to Portland. If I did, I'd be in jail instantly because I'm not as nice as those independent journalists who keep getting harassed by all them weak leftists.you think Portland is too dangerous for you?

lily-white Oregon?

:lmao

[koriwhat]

you think Portland is too dangerous for you?

lily-white Oregon?

:lmao

Too dangerous? Who said that? No, I said I wouldn't put up with fat bitches yelling at me and trying to hit me with sticks; I'd simply beat the fuck out of them and all their tranny buddies too. Fucking laughable that portland's resistance is made up of junkie trannies and fat cunts. It's fucking hilarious!

[Winehole23]

Too dangerous? Who said that? No, I said I wouldn't put up with fat bitches yelling at me and trying to hit me with sticks; I'd simply beat the fuck out of them and all their tranny buddies too. Fucking laughable that portland's resistance is made up of junkie trannies and fat cunts. It's fucking hilarious!I have no idea what you're talking about, where do you get this stuff?

[koriwhat]

I have no idea what you're talking about, where do you get this stuff?

Where do you get all the bs you post? Oh yeah, BlueSky, RawStory, and MotherJones. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Where do you get all the bs you post? Oh yeah, BlueSky, RawStory, and MotherJones. :lmaoI post from a wider palette of sources than anyone here

you don't post shit but your own bs

[koriwhat]

I post from a wider palette of sources than anyone here

you don't post shit but your own bs

LMAO Sure bro, sure... Whatever you say Bouts 2.0 :lmao

[Winehole23]

where is bouts?

[koriwhat]

where is bouts?

You are Bouts... Well, Bouts 2.0!

[Winehole23]

fake 911 calls

base ratf*ckery

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/video/broadview-police-chief-says-ice-agents-making-false-911-calls/

[ChumpDumper]

Too dangerous? Who said that? No, I said I wouldn't put up with fat bitches yelling at me and trying to hit me with sticks; I'd simply beat the fuck out of them and all their tranny buddies too.
You really want to beat up women.

[Winehole23]

You really want to beat up women.Abusing women is a perquisite of conventional paternalism

ah, the good old days

[Winehole23]

Trump appointed judge reportedly issues a TRO forbidding deployment of National Guard to Portland, can't find it online yet


A federal judge has issued a ruling on Oregon's lawsuit challenging the federal deployment of the state's National Guard to Portland. U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut granted the state's motion for a temporary restraining order over President Donald Trump's order to deploy 200 National Guard troops to the city.https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/federal-judge-ruling-oregon-lawsuit-troops-deployed-portland/283-feae45b3-24bc-49f3-aad8-185e8c7e1b79

[Winehole23]

ah, here it is

likely to succeed on 10th Amendment and ultra vires (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ultra_vires)


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:24vva42nxim6zbcmnozegoef/bafkreicec7iubk3w6m7yih36u6xkxfq3v6f5d3qhvp2hweazr apcj7o7sm@jpeg

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ord.189270/gov.uscourts.ord.189270.56.0_1.pdf

[ChumpDumper]

But what if Trump reeeeeeealy wants to do it?

[Winehole23]

basically, trump declared a bullshit emergency in Oregon

the judge heard both sides and called bullshit on Trump

[Winehole23]

But what if Trump reeeeeeealy wants to do it?who knows, let him defy the law openly

[Winehole23]

weekend and late-night court judgments used to be less frequent, right?

[koriwhat]

Abusing women is a perquisite of conventional paternalism

ah, the good old days

You leftists are fucking as retarded as it gets. It's hilarious seeing yall retards jump to asinine conclusions to smear those yall dislike. Keep pretending you fucking dumb cunts! :lol

[Winehole23]

You leftists are fucking as retarded as it gets. It's hilarious seeing yall retards jump to asinine conclusions to smear those yall dislike. Keep pretending you fucking dumb cunts! :lolyou're the one who was fantasizing about beating women

[koriwhat]

you're the one who was fantasizing about beating women

lmao "fantasizing"... STFU already retard. You and Brooke are dumb as fuck. SMDH

[Winehole23]

Too dangerous? Who said that? No, I said I wouldn't put up with fat bitches yelling at me and trying to hit me with sticks; I'd simply beat the fuck out of them and all their tranny buddies too. Fucking laughable that portland's resistance is made up of junkie trannies and fat cunts. It's fucking hilarious!

[ChumpDumper]

lmao "fantasizing"... STFU already retard. You and Brooke are dumb as fuck. SMDH

But you said you would compulsively beat women were the location correct.

What else are we supposed to conclude?

[koriwhat]

You're an idiot WH. You might as well be in those "protests" out there in portland with the other retards.

[ChumpDumper]

Would you try to beat him up for existing?

[Winehole23]

You're an idiot WH. You might as well be in those "protests" out there in portland with the other retards.I'm good here in south central Texas, thanks for your concern!

[Winehole23]

^clear fascistcrystal

iQBgITYm04E

[Winehole23]

basically, trump declared a bullshit emergency in Oregon

the judge heard both sides and called bullshit on Trump


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:svawqo4jxobyyuqmixplvcux/bafkreic76msnzl6f5ue74oxwrtqonv47vmjc74oyvz6gmkd7t pkj5i6miy@jpeg

[Winehole23]

Trump appointed Judge Immergut

Will Trumplandia live by her decision?


IMMERGUT, District Judge. This case involves the intersection of three of the most fundamental principles in our constitutional democracy. The first concerns the relationship between the federal government and the states. The second concerns the relationship between the United States armed forces and domestic law enforcement. The third concerns the proper role of the judicial branch in ensuring that the executive branch complies with the laws and limitations imposed by the legislative branch. Whether we choose to follow what the Constitution mandates with respect to these three relationships goes to the heart of what it means to live under the rule of law in the United States.https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ord.189270/gov.uscourts.ord.189270.56.0_1.pdf

[Winehole23]

(background: DOJ swayed Judge Immergut's predecessor to recuse himself because his wife is a liberal legislator)

[Winehole23]

,

[Winehole23]

"this is a nation of Constitutional law, not martial law. Defendants have made a range of arguments that, if accepted, risk blurring the line between civil and military federal power—to the detriment of this nation."

[Winehole23]

Judge Immergut quotes James Madison from the Records of the Federal Convention of 1787: “A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence [against] foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home."

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:eppsmw5nfmdzhfeymtzd3xbe/bafkreih57hpudr24iplut4grykzrge6hze362oekarozuvbab ahzjb7424@jpeg

[Winehole23]

For perspective on her politics, Judge Immergut was one of Ken Starr's attorneys investigating Bill Clinton, a US Attorney for GW Bush, and appointed to the federal bench by Trump

[Winehole23]

beefy federal agents concussing subversive octogenarians


An elderly couple says they were charged and knocked down by federal agents as they peacefully protested on Saturday (https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/10/400-people-protest-at-ice-facility-in-portland-at-least-3-arrested.html) in front of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement building in South Portland, just blocks from their home.





Laurie Eckman, 84, said she and her husband Richard Eckman, also 84 and a Vietnam war veteran, were rushed by federal officers “for no apparent reason.” She said her husband was leaning on his walker and wearing his Vietnam veterans cap as he was pushed to the ground.





“It was totally unprovoked. It was not the kind of crowd that shouts the ‘F word.’ It was people like us, our neighbors. There were families, there were several veterans,” Laurie Eckman told The Oregonian/OregonLive. “With no warning the feds charged into us, knocked us down and sprayed us. I was hit in the head with a projectile.”
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/10/federal-agents-knock-down-elderly-couple-during-portland-protest.html

[Winehole23]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1nxmase/serious_people_who_have_had_a_direct_runin_with/

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:lvknxpm7ys2p44jtbtx2tz2b/bafkreiavvvnqyzwnv6sq2b7aeun7acfyv7fh4qr73xs3lcwex xv7xpntga@jpeg

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:lvknxpm7ys2p44jtbtx2tz2b/bafkreihpgp5ihqovwfzierj4ue523ffj4kiq3pzlcfhrl45m4 ipp2vskhq@jpeg

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:lvknxpm7ys2p44jtbtx2tz2b/bafkreidvczst2z7and5cc3dsbmmicms4dhfi2mf2hznxa3m4r fvl4unowq@jpeg

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4lx6nur5wstwoc4wtgj56kyu/bafkreiae2slre47e3brbivdzojqcgt2respy5ouxhczhpsree fdy47zyn4@jpeg

[Winehole23]

beefy federal agents concussing subversive octogenarians

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/10/federal-agents-knock-down-elderly-couple-during-portland-protest.html


there's a picture of her with the front of her shirt just soaked in blood. imagine trying to crack an 84 year old woman's skull and body slamming an 84 year old vet leaning on a walker.

is this the warrior ethos we've heard so much about?

[Winehole23]

“Military-style tactics should never be used on children in a functioning democracy,” said the governor in the statement. “As more details emerge, I am appalled by the reports of excessive use of force against children as well as the many innocent bystanders who were punished simply for residing in that building.”

Pritzker said the two state agencies will contact families and children impacted by the raid to gather information. If they receive allegations of suspected abuse or neglect by federal agents, the governor said the state will move to hold the agents accountable, which could include “collaborating with local law enforcement as necessary.”
https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/03/pritzker-call-state-agencies-investigate-feds-treatment-of-children-at-south-shore-raid

[Winehole23]

Deputy Chief of Staff for policy Stephen Miller declares a regime of state terror to root out ideological opponents



https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ddvus7otnqtlh7fdooxm6qat/bafkreichjc3nfd2ho42ksnregjrcuaqjtfly2zbkegoptxhtv agxytsnmm@jpeg

[Winehole23]

Trump's deportation thugs target the press


The same detention center has become the site of at least three other incidents involving federal agents, who are accused of hitting people with cars, shooting projectiles, and using chemical agents on journalists, including firing a pepper ball at CBS News Chicago reporter Asal Rezaei's vehicle on Sunday (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/feds-fire-pepper-ball-at-cbs-chicago-reporters-truck/).


Rezaei said there was no active protest or protesters at the facility, and she was alone with no one around her at the time of the incident.


Rezaei told Broadview police she was driving her truck with her driver's side window down, while approaching the 25th Avenue entrance to the ICE facility to see if anything was going on, before leaving the area.


That's when she said a masked ICE agent shot a pepper ball from inside the fence, hitting the side of her truck, causing the chemical agents to engulf the inside of the vehicle.


Rezaei said the pepper ball left white powder on her windshield, and her face had "been on fire for at least the last 10 minutes or so." The chemical also caused her to vomit once outside of her truck, she said.
Mills said what happened to Rezaei is "horrific."


He has demanded ICE turn over the names of all federal officers involved in each incident, and said he is ready to take ICE to court. His department has opened three criminal investigations into various incidents involving ICE agents. (https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/broadview-criminal-investigations-ice-activity-facility-fence/)


"We're going to look at maybe reaching out to Cook County State's Attorney for subpoenas."
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/broadview-police-chief-thomas-mills-ice-agents-false-911-calls/

[Winehole23]

poor accuracy


...roughly 50% to 60% of the Chicago operation arrests were targeted arrests...The rest were what’s often referred to as “collateral arrests,” meaning people that ICE comes across during their operations who aren’t the person they’re looking for...https://apnews.com/article/trump-immigration-deportation-ice-chicago-arrests-a09921fedd10489f08a4073abe31345e

[Winehole23]

If I understand this correctly, BPS shot live fire into a car, and later found a gun after the victim drove herself to the hospital.

Details are murky, but BPS is in way over its head imho

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/04/shooting-involving-federal-agents-in-brighton-park-under-investigation

from the official side of the story, as it were


None of the agents were injured, according to a statement posted by Tricia McLaughlin, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security on X, the social media site formerly known as Twitter (https://x.com/TriciaOhio/status/1974524869892276682).

Although McLaughlin said Martinez was “armed with a semi-automatic weapon,” federal prosecutors did not charge Martinez with weapons violations, or allege she fired at federal agents.
https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/05/2-chicagoans-including-woman-shot-federal-agents-charged-ramming-border-patrol-vehicle

[BadMotorscooter]

Winehole still triggered as usual....

[Winehole23]

I'm just posting though it like I do every day

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/05/national-guard-oregon-california-rurling-00594606Judge Immergut just ruled against y'all again

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:mt2jstgpk2ojazbiaqnppzjt/bafkreihkfk5iqwgqvcjxbelvapx6onac2sny62fepszszdvkl lcgr4blaa@jpeg

[BadMotorscooter]

I'm just posting though it like I do every day

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/05/national-guard-oregon-california-rurling-00594606Judge Immergut just ruled against y'all again

triggered everyday....i get it.

[Winehole23]

Immergut deposed Monica Lewinsky for Ken Starr, became an AUSA under Bush and a judge under Trump

this is no left wing judge

[Winehole23]

black helicopters good now


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:miczfsfixolk42l7343z3bpd/bafkreiazbn2hsa6twrm33zcmasjkhwcwczp7zhdh76gifibdw pnd3zh6ve@jpeg

[BadMotorscooter]

Winehole, so youre okay with protesters shooting and ramming thier cars at ICE but not okay with ICE using extreme force as an answer?

[Blake]

Winehole, so youre okay with protesters shooting and ramming thier cars at ICE but not okay with ICE using extreme force as an answer?

Why do you twist things? Is that what Fox News tells you to do?

[BadMotorscooter]

Why do you twist things? Is that what Fox News tells you to do?

explain how i twisted it....msnbc tell you to ignore the truth?

[Winehole23]

att'n: Texas


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:mf6x4tcxia23iqiflhqtv2dg/bafkreibbcexcebvs7hog63sob3bqehkpdzb54pgjtt5iwpytp r4ezwo64u@jpeg

[BadMotorscooter]

Winehole, so youre okay with protesters shooting and ramming thier cars at ICE but not okay with ICE using extreme force as an answer?

[Winehole23]

Winehole, so youre okay with protesters shooting and ramming thier cars at ICE but not okay with ICE using extreme force as an answer?you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that

[BadMotorscooter]

you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that


so do you agree with ICE's response or not?

[Winehole23]

so do you agree with ICE's response or not?It's not clear what happened in the first place. Whatever ICE said is not necessarily to be trusted -- they've already been caught in in numerous lies in court.

[koriwhat]

you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that

You imply it constantly as your bias is totally on display daily. Don't try to kid yourself now.

[koriwhat]

It's not clear what happened in the first place. Whatever ICE said is not necessarily to be trusted -- they've already been caught in in numerous lies in court.

So believe Russia, Russia, Russia MSM then? LMAO Your lack of a spine is so transparent.

[ChumpDumper]

You believe Tim Pool, who was paid by Russia.

[Spurs Homer]

Portland war zone is terrifying!


https://youtu.be/PMNbpRUVsdw?si=047Z_WVrqicx2h-Z

[Winehole23]

So believe Russia, Russia, Russia MSM then? LMAO Your lack of a spine is so transparent.if you go back to the relevant threads you'll find I poured cold water on collusion as probably not legally sustainable (which turned out to be the case), but I thought the footsie was politically damning.

[Winehole23]

This evening (https://bsky.app/profile/govpritzker.illinois.gov/post/3m2iigmky6s2o), President Trump is ordering 400 members of the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and other locations within the United States. No officials from the federal government called me directly to discuss or coordinate.

We must now start calling this what it is: Trump’s Invasion. It started with federal agents, it will soon include deploying federalized members of the Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now involve sending in another state’s military troops.

​I call on Governor Abbott to immediately withdraw any support for this decision and refuse to coordinate. There is no reason a President should send military troops into a sovereign state without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation.

The brave men and women who serve in our national guards must not be used as political props. This is a moment where every American must speak up and help stop this madness.

[Winehole23]

“Trump, and the thuggery that his agents have brought, has actively made us less safe.” —Gov. JB Pritzker

[Winehole23]

“Since the beginning of this invasion, families have been snatched up off the streets, or removed from their homes. Zip-tied and detained for hours, including, especially, U.S. citizens and legal residents of our state.” —Gov. JB Pritzker

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:y4zs4cabaezzwx3bz2e5nnj2/bafkreietrj7t3uox4e7wtwpta4mcspsmrxds4bs5rnxkohjzx taggjodmq@jpeg

[Winehole23]

Illinois is in court right now over the Texas NG deployment


Illinois attorney Christopher Wells tells Perry (https://bsky.app/profile/jonseidel.bsky.social/post/3m2kczqts4k2i)Texas troops may already be on the way, including some getting on a plane at 4 p.m. "When they set foot here, the sovereign injury grows only more grave.

He wants to move forward immediately.


Wells says "we need a TRO immediately." He references the feds' conduct in Oregon and accuses the Trump administration of a "concerted effort to target disfavored jurisdictions that the president doesn't like."

[Winehole23]

looks like the Texas troops will deploy


Perry: "If I were the government, I might strongly consider taking a pause on this until Thursday, so that we are not in a position where we are doing a full-fledged hearing with whatever has happened."

[Winehole23]

Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson:

"Private establishments can partner with us to make it clear that private property is private property and ICE cannot enter establishments without a valid warrant ... If Congress will not check this administration, then Chicago will."

[Winehole23]

Texas once feared a phantom federal occupation. Now Gov. Abbott’s troops are helping carry it out under Trump. And Houston may be next, writes the Houston Chronicle editorial board. bit.ly/48Q3D5C

[Winehole23]

ICE hand to hand with Antifa in Portland


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:uc7eb5rz4yin3kgshnptkuex/bafkreibiyz554saavc47xuvwmpny6trjlryrj3jlwlar67r6l n43yebczy@jpeg

[Winehole23]

a US victim of the South Shore raid was detained for hours

here's what he had to say about his Venezuelan neighbors


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:2vtbmhmrwzbqcfv4we4uxzzt/bafkreihnzsuvtr7intzv3tie4t7hob2euxkn7j2okvuwqxpl6 bd6bhdhge@jpeg

[Winehole23]

gunning for Marbury vs. Madison

per Steven Vladeck, the First Militia Act of 1792 -- a statute written and signed by some of the guys at the Constitutional Convention -- provided for judicial review (https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/181-courts-and-domestic-use-of-the) before deployment


Stephen Miller: "It's simply a factually accurate statement that when a judge assumes for him- or herself the powers that have been relegated or delegated by the Constitution to the president, that that is a form of illegal insurrection." ...

[Blake]

explain how i twisted it....msnbc tell you to ignore the truth?


you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that

:lol hemisboomerscooter

[Winehole23]

TRO for Chicago journalists


Judge Ellis says that "it appears that the plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of success" on their claim that DHS has violated plaintiffs' Fourth Amendment and First Amendment rights. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487571/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487571.27.0_1.pdf

[Winehole23]

:lol hemisboomerscooterthe Strawman + tu quoque ratio of right wing takes in this subforum approaches one, the rest are mainly eyerolls and emojis

none of them want to talk about the politics

[Winehole23]

hey BadMotorScooter, what if DHS lied about Martinez and cameras prove it?

what should happen then?


In the charges filed Sunday, prosecutors notably did not mention a loaded gun in Martinez’s car that was referenced in a previous statement by the Department of Homeland Security. But in court Monday, Hennessy said Martinez had a loaded firearm on the passenger side of her car but never brandished it. Martinez’s attorney, Parente, said she has a valid firearm and concealed-carry license.

Parente also offered to play an agent’s body-camera video that shows the shooting, noting that prosecutors did not show the video that he claimed disputes the government’s version of the shooting.

Parente said the video shows an agent turn federal vehicle left into Martinez’s vehicle, after which an agent says, “Do something b----.” The agent then exits the vehicle and shoots at Martinez.

Parente said Martinez has “seven holes” in her from the shooting and that agents were in such a hurry to take her into custody at the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez began bleeding from her wounds.

Parente disputed the government’s claim that Martinez is a danger to the community and should be detained, saying instead that the officer who shot her was a threat.

“I think there’s a danger to the community, but I don’t think it’s Ms. Martinez,” he said.

Martinez is a U.S. citizen, works for a school and had several supportive letters about her character filed with the court, Parente said. Ruiz is also a U.S. citizen and is self-employed as a deejay, his attorney, Ben Horowitz, said.
trib.al/9Sxu9IN (http://ttps://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/06/marimar-martinez-anthony-ian-santos-ruiz-border-patrol-shooting-brighton-park)

[Winehole23]

sounds like there were multiple alleged crime scenes


Shortly after Monday’s court hearing, the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives announced a reward of up to $50,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the other drivers who followed and boxed in agents Saturday.


An FBI statement says that about 10 vehicles were involved in the chase that Martinez and Ruiz were allegedly part of in the 3900 block of South Kedzie. The statement also describes the “ramming” of a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement vehicle repeatedly in the 3700 block of Kedzie, allegedly by the driver of a black Chevy Tahoe with Illinois license plate EM 62829. That driver is still at large, the FBI said.

[Blake]

the Strawman + tu quoque ratio of right wing takes in this subforum approaches one, the rest are mainly eyerolls and emojis

none of them want to talk about the politics

None.

[Winehole23]

all the stuff they thought Obama was going to do was accusation in the mirror

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:gxspn7zktai3lrlrmf2t3ppz/bafkreiciqa5qoarfkz63lav6w3tuohxidttqj3wsr7uj57l5t kfsrnksba@jpeg

[Winehole23]

None.tactical silence

*overthrow of the USA (1787) currently under way*

[Winehole23]

Italy: years of lead (https://bsky.app/profile/jeffsharlet.bsky.social/post/3m2lmhfabmc2z)


as the person who kicked off a lot of the modern "civil war 2" discourse i don't think we're past the point where that can be avoided. i do think we are already in a state of mass civil conflict. but many nations (see: Italy) have been through similar upheavals without war.

[Winehole23]

or maybe more like the troubles in Ireland, who knows?

[florige]

all the stuff they thought Obama was going to do was accusation in the mirror

If Obama were the one doing this their would literally be a Jan 6th every weekend

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:uayevtgtbwot25zhocjzb6lv/bafkreif25z2si7bn7blsshnpzfobyaya57mdvcimdzjnzz6jg ut5ylkqm4@jpeg

[koriwhat]

If Obama were the one doing this their would literally be a Jan 6th every weekend

Doubt it seeing how that clown drone striked americans in foreign countries we weren't at war with and none of yall were up in arms about that or running guns to the MX narco cartels and more... Cry me a river!

[ChumpDumper]

Doubt it seeing how that clown drone striked americans in foreign countries we weren't at war with and none of yall were up in arms about that or running guns to the MX narco cartels and more... Cry me a river!

When did Obama sic troops on US cities?

Just embrace your fascism, dude. Why try to pretend?

[Winehole23]

When did Obama sic troops on US cities?there was a somewhat coordinated, militarized crackdown on Occupy, but I'm pretty sure that's not what kw meant

[Winehole23]

pointing *gunz* at people trying to protect their neighbors is loser shit


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:lfgjxeg7f7w6ryjfbomhcbsi/bafkreia4mmob74gbqsagyo6drqu7bp3ecdhwjym27eggzt4b4 o523khc6a@jpeg

[Winehole23]

here's how they responded to an invitation to pray




https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:wyylw3fkelfztdgh3c3u3svw/bafkreibywsiic25dfx7rzuaahw6krmexbjg3vhodjqaicnch7 nhdxwuhnm@jpeghttps://religionnews.com/2025/10/07/in-chicago-clergy-and-religious-protesters-say-ice-is-threatening-their-religious-freedom/

[Winehole23]

just like LA and DC, here come the dismissals

DHS lies

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Federal prosecutors in Chicago move to dismiss "without prejudice" the charges against Huburt Mazur, who faced a misdemeanor charge stemming from ICE protests in Broadview.

Mazur's preliminary hearing was set for Wednesday morning.background:chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/... (https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-charge-four-following-ice-protests-in-broadview-including-2-carrying-guns-with-lawful-permits)

[Winehole23]

Republicans live in an alternate reality


Chicago voted Best Big City in the U.S. for an astounding ninth year in a row



Choose Chicago is thrilled to announce that Chicago has once again earned the title of Best Big City in the U.S. for an astonishing ninth consecutive year.

This remarkable achievement reaffirms the enduring appeal of Chicago – the city that’s Never Done and Never Outdone (https://www.choosechicago.com/neveroutdone/).



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The prestigious award is voted on each year by discerning Condé Nast Traveler readers during the Readers’ Choice Awards (https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/best-cities-us), the industry’s longest-running and most trusted awards program.

This year, over 757,000 travelers from around the world cast their votes and crowned Chicago the nation’s Best Big City. Voters were asked about their previous experiences in Chicago, including their ratings of the city’s culture, attractions, hospitality, and more.

9 reasons why Chicago is the Best Big City




The best global big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-global-big-city)
The best welcoming big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-welcoming-big-city)
The best cultural big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-cultural-big-city)
The best accessible big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-accessible-big-city)
The best family-friendly big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-family-friendly-big-city)
The best affordable big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-affordable-big-city)
The best foodie big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-foodie-big-city)
The best eventful big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-eventful-big-city)
The best innovative big city (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/#the-best-innovative-big-city)


Now more than ever, this award is a true testament to all the Chicagoans in our neighborhoods (https://www.choosechicago.com/neighborhoods/), small businesses, sports, and cultural communities who make this city one of the greatest destinations to live, work, meet, and visit.

Discover what makes Chicago the Best Big City in the U.S. year after year, and start planning your next visit. And join us in sharing everything that makes Chicago great with our All for the Love of Chicago campaign (https://www.choosechicago.com/all-for-the-love-of-chicago/).

https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

like LA and DC, Chicago grand juries are noping out


A federal grand jury declined to indict two people charged with assaulting law enforcement agents outside a suburban Chicago ICE facility, an attorney for one of the defendants said.


The rejection of charges by a grand jury, once extremely unusual, is growing more common in cities targeted by President Donald Trump with immigration raids, military deployments, and other federal resources to crack down on crime.


Prosecutors’ inability to secure this indictment continues a pattern mirrored in Los Angeles and Washington DC where local citizens on grand juries are providing a check on a White House-directed law enforcement takeover.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/grand-jury-declines-to-indict-two-chicago-area-ice-protesters

[Winehole23]

Immigration officers detained an innocent US citizen and put him in a chokehold over a putative "robbery in progress," which contextually sounds like bullshit

Trump's goons and thugs are making Americans more unsafe everywhere they go


“Feds took over the corner like a gang. They pulled a man out of his car, beat, choked and detained him. Blocked off all traffic as they did, worked directly with CPD, then fled the scene as quick as they got there,” Woodard said.https://thetriibe.com/2025/10/new-details-emerge-surrounding-incident-that-led-to-a-black-man-being-choked-by-the-feds-in-chicago/

[Winehole23]

shot a priest in the head with a pepperball just for sport


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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Trump's immigration sweeps are state terror meant to provoke civil conflict



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[Winehole23]

It's not the job of state and local police to protect federal LE. Nor can Trump order them to do it.

Trump doesn't get federalism, never has. Even though he swore an oath to uphold it, twice.

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[Winehole23]

redditors sound off about official thuggery, all over the country

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1nxmase/serious_people_who_have_had_a_direct_runin_with/

[Blake]

pointing *gunz* at people trying to protect their neighbors is loser shit


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Definitely feel safer with that guy on the streets. Thanks ICE!

[Blake]

It's not the job of state and local police to protect federal LE. Nor can Trump order them to do it.

Trump doesn't get federalism, never has. Even though he swore an oath to uphold it, twice.

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Trump is a felon. He should be in jail.

[Winehole23]

Trump is a felon. He should be in jail.failing to hold Trump legally to account for his various crimes is the biggest mistake this country ever made

[Winehole23]

It's not the job of state and local police to protect federal LE. Nor can Trump order them to do it.

Trump doesn't get federalism, never has. Even though he swore an oath to uphold it, twice.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:hbpefio3f5csc44msmbgioxz/bafkreiayv2v5ifn7qe2wjalztdoir6p73d6agtozktbgcvx4k b6lgqphim@jpegI would be interested to know what laws Brandon Johnson and Gov. Pritzker are supposed to have broken.

Anyone?

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Trump making Chicagoland less safe, endangering prosecutions of murderers and rapists

This material is all from the IL. v Trump lawsuit


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[Blake]

failing to hold Trump legally to account for his various crimes is the biggest mistake this country ever made

Before he just thought he could kill someone in the middle of a busy NY street and get away with it.

Now he knows it.

[Blake]

I would be interested to know what laws Brandon Johnson and Gov. Pritzker are supposed to have broken.

Anyone?

They broke federal anti Trump knee bend laws

[Winehole23]

armed with a secret legal memo that authorizes summary killing anywhere on the say so of POTUS, AG Bondi brays at the suddenly pervasive Antifa threat


Just like we did with cartels, we are going to take the same approach, President Trump, with Antifa -- destroy the entire organization from top to bottom. We are going to take them apart.



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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

They broke federal anti Trump knee bend laws lese-majeste is making a comeback

[Winehole23]

Jack Posobiec just said Antifa comes from the Weimar Republic in the 1930s

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[Winehole23]

Antifa, class of 1944


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[Winehole23]

platforming Jack Posobiec and Andy Ngo is certainly a choice...

[Winehole23]

Northern Command tweet


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[DarrinS]

I admire the screeching

[DarrinS]

There are some really good ETFs out there, if you want to retire early.

[DarrinS]

Spending much time on this site?


Loserville

[Winehole23]

if immigrants to the US don't have due process nobody does


An Oregon man and U.S. citizen is seeking damages after he said he was stopped and detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement without cause.

Frank Miranda said he was detained outside his Northeast Portland workplace early Thursday morning by masked plain-clothes ICE officers, even after he told them he is a U.S. citizen.

During the incident, which was partially captured in a video shared with KOIN 6 News, Miranda says he showed officers his Oregon driver’s license before they confiscated it and told him, “You’ve been here on an overstay.”

As heard in the video, Miranda said he didn’t know what an overstay was and that he was born in California. The officer said that they were going to bring Miranda in so that they could verify his information, but he resisted.

“I haven’t done anything,” Miranda said to the officers in the video.

“Turn around or you’re going to get the dog,” an officer said. “We’re going to put you in cuffs, or you’re going to get the dog.”
The video ends as Miranda is taken into custody and officers confiscate his phone.

The officers struck Miranda from behind, which caused him to collapse before he was taken away in an unmarked van, according to a letter sent to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Monday by attorney Michael Fuller.

Miranda was taken to the ICE facility on South Macadam, where he was held for several hours, he said. Eventually, the officers drove him back to his workplace, where he was released. He said he was never provided any reason for his arrest.
https://www.koin.com/news/portland/video-ice-detains-threatens-oregon-man-despite-u-s-citizenship/

[Winehole23]

Darrin S with nothing topical to say, how typical

[Winehole23]

the royal we


We took the freedom of speech away because that's been through the courts and the courts said you have freedom of speech, but what has happened is when they burn a flag it agitates and irritates crowds

[DarrinS]

Sad dork wh

[Winehole23]

*yawns*

[Winehole23]

do you think the Chicago mayor and the Illinois governor broke laws, Darrin?

[Winehole23]

(seems DarrinS is either indifferent or completely cool with Trump declaring the 1st Amendment over by proclamation)

[ChumpDumper]

Sad dork wh

Why are you so afraid, Darrin?

[Blake]

Darrin checking in to up his post count

[Winehole23]

3rd Amendment ftw


"And in fact, they don't even let our ICE officers and our Border Patrol officers use restrooms," she revealed. "Those men and women were telling us that they have to figure out even where they can go sit down for five minutes to have lunch or to use a restroom throughout their shift and their break. So they've made it a very difficult situation."https://www.rawstory.com/kristi-noem-chicago-restrooms/

[Winehole23]

I admire the screechingthe voices that you hear in your head are in your head

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Violates "the joy of TikTok"

Fox32 Chicago with the details

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The federal agents reportedly rammed their van into Brockman's car (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1186513933318843)before forcing her to the ground and taking her into custody. https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/wgn-news-employee-detained-federal-agents-chicagos-north-side

[Blake]

Dangerous cartel member

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

They claimed that the WGN employee was obstructing justice, even though she was, like all of us, just standing there, taking video.https://www.wfla.com/news/national/wgn-employee-detained-amid-ice-activity-in-chicago-later-released/

[Winehole23]

wonder which it was

rammed in her car, or just taking video?

[ChumpDumper]

Employee of famous Antifa company Nexstar.

Better break them up, Donnie!

[SnakeBoy]

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:lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Why is that funny?

[BadMotorscooter]

Chump getting bitchslapped again....

[Winehole23]

Dangerous cartel memberReleased without charges

You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride

[Winehole23]

Why is that funny?sadists thrill to domination and punishment

[Winehole23]

hey man

you ducked


Hey BadMotorscooter, what if DHS lied about Martinez and cameras prove it?

What should happen then?

trib.al/9Sxu9IN (http://ttps://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/06/marimar-martinez-anthony-ian-santos-ruiz-border-patrol-shooting-brighton-park)

[Winehole23]

deployment blocked in Illinois


National Guard troops sent to Illinois by President Donald Trump can stay in the state and under federal control, but can’t be deployed to protect federal property or go on patrol for now, an appeals court ruled Saturday.The decision comes after federal Judge April Perry on Thursday ruled to temporarily block the National Guard deployment for at least two weeks, finding no substantial evidence that a “danger of rebellion” is brewing in Illinois during Trump’s immigration crackdown.


“There has been no showing that the civil power has failed,” Perry said. “The agitators who have violated the law by attacking federal authorities have been arrested. The courts are open, and the marshals are ready to see that any sentences of imprisonment are carried out. Resort to the military to execute the laws is not called for.”https://apnews.com/article/national-guard-troops-memphis-chicago-trump-96d489ab1b325c90da6f75a23efcf479

[BadMotorscooter]

democrats only have violence left.....nothing else. Thats why they tried to take Trump out twice and took Kirk out....they protest ICE and shoot at cops....its all they got. That is fact. Everyday now is about triggered democrats and the violence they create. Its why republican voters are growing in numbers and democrats have the lowest approval rating of all time....but carry on, dumbass democrat posters....lmao.

[ChumpDumper]

democrats only have violence left.....nothing else. Thats why they tried to take Trump out twice and took Kirk out....they protest ICE and shoot at cops....its all they got. That is fact. Everyday now is about triggered democrats and the violence they create. Its why republican voters are growing in numbers and democrats have the lowest approval rating of all time....but carry on, dumbass democrat posters....lmao.:lol where do you get your news?

[BadMotorscooter]

:lol where do you get your news?

cant dispute my post...facts are facts and chumper cant argue.

[ChumpDumper]

cant dispute my post...facts are facts and chumper cant argue.

Where did you get these facts?

I am disputing them.

I am asking you directly.

If you can't answer, you lose.

Again.

[BadMotorscooter]

Where did you get these facts?

I am asking you directly.

If you can't answer, you lose.

Again.

you cant dispute it again...lmao. Show me where Trump didnt recieve two attempts on his life and Kirk wasnt killed....ill wait for your spin/lame response.

[ChumpDumper]

you cant dispute it again...lmao.I'm disputing your sources and your characterizations.

Show your work or lose again.

lololololololololololololol

[BadMotorscooter]

I'm disputing your sources.

Show your work or lose again.

lololololololololololololol


lmao...democrat thinking Trump didnt have attempts on his life and Kirk shot and killed.......this is your typical democrat supporter today.

[ChumpDumper]

lmao...democrat thinking Trump didnt have attempts and his life and Kirk shot and killed.......this is your typical democrat supporter today.
I'm disputing your sources and your characterizations.

Show your work or lose again.

You are afraid of me.

Again.

lololololololololololololol

[BadMotorscooter]

I'm disputing your sources and your characterizations.

Show your work or lose again.

lololololololololololololol

democrats hate facts...lmao