Apology to Illinois from a lifelong Texan

[Winehole23]

I have long been an admirer from afar of the political heritage of Illinois and the great American city of Chicago, one of the very first fully modern American cities. Chicago is a wellspring of American culture and enterprise, with a great historical legacy. What our president is doing to it right now is a disgrace.

I deplore the actions of the political leadership of Texas and offer my more or less worthless apology to your insulted honor and sovereignty: whatever punishment is visited collectively on Texas by Illinois will have been fully warranted by the dastardly deployment of the forces of a state against a state, to spread mayhem and violence in it. I am heartily sorry for the hostile and malicious conduct of my state leadership toward Illinois. And Oregon too.

I would only ask that y'all remember there are ~8 million registered Democrats currently living in Texas, and Trump is getting slaughtered among independents everywhere right now

WH23

[Winehole23]

I hope that the courts will vindicate Illinois's cause and repel all uninvited state militias

[Winehole23]

unless civil authority in a state has completely collapsed, states peacekeeping in other states is completely inappropriate

[Winehole23]

also, it's war, if the troops are unneeded and unwelcome

[Winehole23]

needless to say, the demoralizing effect of unpaid deployments of federalized troops to police Americans is not calculable before or afterwards

but maybe the whole point is to demoralize and de-professionalize the armed services like they're trying to demoralize and de-professionalize the civil service

[Winehole23]

that's how you purge it

get rid of everybody good, and backfill it with vindictive goons

[Winehole23]

it looks like a reverse meritocracy and at some level it is but

all it really is is the ideological streamlining of government

[BadMotorscooter]

Winehole, you need to get help, man.

[Winehole23]

Winehole, you need to get help, man.why is that?

[Winehole23]

why no topical comments?

why are you talking about me, the political milieu is so interesting right now

[BadMotorscooter]

why is that?

Look at all your posts.....Get some help.

[Winehole23]

I used to write paragraphs that were somewhat theoretical

Now I give straight political takes in short sentences

And still, (approximately) all right wingers on this board only want to talk about me

[Winehole23]

Look at all your posts.....Get some help.for what?

not rhetorical, your concern is hard for me to perceive

[Winehole23]

like, adverse military deployment to other states and civil war isn't interesting to you as a topic?

[Winehole23]

you're more worried about little old me?

[Winehole23]

BadMotorScooter can't back up his own bs

even tho words are free

[Winehole23]

Meal Team Six has landed


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[Blake]

Look at all your posts.....Get some help.

You're the one thinking everything is great. You voted for a felon. You're the fucked up one here.

[Spurs Homer]

Greg abbot is a piece of shit nazi…but everyone already knew that tbh…

[Blake]

Greg abbot is a piece of shit nazi…but everyone already knew that tbh…

He's a sycophant. As stupid as he is, at least he's not Dan Patrick. That dude is scary as fuck.

[Spurs Homer]

He's a sycophant. As stupid as he is, at least he's not Dan Patrick. That dude is scary as fuck.

agree...

except AOC nailed it - they are really weak insecure males...Patrick would fold like a lawn chair with just a little force against him.

[koriwhat]

I have long been an admirer from afar of the political heritage of Illinois and the great American city of Chicago, one of the very first fully modern American cities. Chicago is a wellspring of American culture and enterprise, with a great historical legacy. What our president is doing to it right now is a disgrace.

I deplore the actions of the political leadership of Texas and offer my more or less worthless apology to your insulted honor and sovereignty: whatever punishment is visited collectively on Texas by Illinois will have been fully warranted by the dastardly deployment of the forces of a state against a state, to spread mayhem and violence in it. I am heartily sorry for the hostile and malicious conduct of my state leadership toward Illinois. And Oregon too.

I would only ask that y'all remember there are ~8 million registered Democrats currently living in Texas, and Trump is getting slaughtered among independents everywhere right now

WH23

YOU'RE WEAK

[koriwhat]

that's how you purge it

get rid of everybody good, and backfill it with vindictive goons

So CPD and PPD then? :lol


why is that?

Because you're mentally ill and just like SH, it's on full display daily.



And still, (approximately) all right wingers on this board only want to talk about me


you're more worried about little old me?

Narcissist.


Greg abbot is a piece of shit nazi…but everyone already knew that tbh…

You have no clue what a nazi is to begin with. You just parrot the same shit your mentally ill overlords parrot. Rinse and repeat like the braindead retard that you are.

[ChumpDumper]

^calf tatted rageaholic stick figure

[Winehole23]

Talk about me all day long, then when I get around to respond

I'm the one who's obsessed about me

[Winehole23]

yeah, I guess Texas sending troops to Illinois against their will and the possibility of civil war is somewhat insular and self-absorbed

those aren't topics of general interest on this board, unlike talking about me

[koriwhat]

yeah, I guess Texas sending troops to Illinois against their will and the possibility of civil war is somewhat insular and self-absorbed

those aren't topics of general interest on this board, unlike talking about me

Against their will? You do know they signed up for the job, right? The feint concern is nothing more than posturing to a base susceptible of being gaslit into the void and trying to uphold a bs narrative of virtue and morality.

You sir, are full of shit continuously!

[ChumpDumper]

:lol they aren't even getting paid, moron

[Winehole23]

18 Republican states file amicus brief

It's loser cringe but, modicum of respect for any authoritarian who steps up and owns it in public

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487574/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487574.58.2.pdf

[Winehole23]

Judge Perry blocks deployment of NG troops


First, as is discussed above, the Court concludes that Defendants’ actions likely violate the Tenth Amendment, and “[t]he existence of a continuing constitutional violation constitutes proof of an irreparable harm.” Preston v. Thompson, 589 F.2d 300, 303 n.3 (7th Cir. 1978). The presence of National Guard members from Texas makes the constitutional injury especially significant. “Not only do States retain sovereignty under the Constitution, there is also a ‘fundamental principle of equal sovereignty” among the States. Shelby Cty. v. Holder, 570 U.S. 529, 544 (2013) (emphasis in original). Alexander Hamilton defended state militias on the understanding that they would be made up of “our sons, our brothers, our neighbours, . . . men who are daily mingling with the rest of their countrymen,” and who would be appointed by the elected leaders of that state. See The Federalist No. 29, at 185 (Alexander Hamilton) (Jacob Ernest Cooke, ed., 1961). Here, to have a National Guard from Texas be deployed to Illinois against the wishes of Illinois’s elected leaders arguably empowers Texas at the expense of Illinois, injuring Illinois’s right to be “equal in power, dignity, and authority” to every other state. Coyle v. Smith, 221 U.S. 559, 567 (1911).18https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487574/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487574.70.0_2.pdf

[Winehole23]

Second, the Court finds that deployment of National Guard members is likely to lead to civil unrest, requiring deployment of state and local resources to maintain order. There has been overwhelming evidence presented that the provocative nature of ICE’s enforcement activity has caused a significant increase in protest activity, requiring the Broadview Police, ISP, and other state and local law enforcement agencies to respond. See, e.g., Doc. 13-5; Doc. 13-15; Doc. 1314. Given that National Guard members “are trained to effectively destroy enemies in combat rather than to de-escalate conflicts, Doc. 13-7 ¶ 29, the Court believes that allowing them to deploy at the Broadview Processing Center or anywhere else in Illinois will only add fuel to the fire that Defendants themselves started.19 And Plaintiffs, quite literally, are responsible for putting out those fires, as well as treating any injuries that may result. See Doc. 13-5 at 4 (noting that the Broadview Fire Department is responsible for providing paramedics and hospital transportation for the ICE Processing Center). This diversion of limited state and local resources is an irreparable harm for which Plaintiffs have no adequate remedy at law.

[Winehole23]

ICE fucked with four Forest Park cemetary workers trying to help a local man in distress in the Des Plaines river

LE clipped a lock, trespassed and pepperballed two guys for nothing

aPtEmAwgPRk

[Winehole23]

Meal Team Six has landed


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Unspecified number of Texas troops removed for being "out of compliance"



A set of viral photos (https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1o0qww8/texas_national_guard_arrives_in_illinois_heard/) by ABC News earlier this week showed troops arriving in Chicago, with several appearing heavyset. The Texans were met with derision online for their appearance, with several people noting Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s comments about fitness standards during his September speech to top military leaders.


The Texas Military Department’s response was in response to questions from Task & Purpose about whether Guardsmen were being evaluated for height and weight standards as a result of the pictures.


The Texas Military Department did not say exactly how the 200 deployed National Guard members were out of compliance and being replaced. The National Guard Bureau issued a statement on Oct. 9 saying that “National Guard Soldiers and Airman are required to meet service-specific height, weight and physical fitness standards at all times.”
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/texas-national-guard-chicago-standards/

[Millennial_Messiah]

I have long been an admirer from afar of the political heritage of Illinois and the great American city of Chicago, one of the very first fully modern American cities. Chicago is a wellspring of American culture and enterprise, with a great historical legacy. What our president is doing to it right now is a disgrace.

I deplore the actions of the political leadership of Texas and offer my more or less worthless apology to your insulted honor and sovereignty: whatever punishment is visited collectively on Texas by Illinois will have been fully warranted by the dastardly deployment of the forces of a state against a state, to spread mayhem and violence in it. I am heartily sorry for the hostile and malicious conduct of my state leadership toward Illinois. And Oregon too.

I would only ask that y'all remember there are ~8 million registered Democrats currently living in Texas, and Trump is getting slaughtered among independents everywhere right now

WH23

Then move there. Democrats don't belong in Texas.

Have fun with Pritzker, state police who lie to give you a speeding ticket to pump more money into their corrupt state, high taxes on everything, high costs of everything, nearly double the cost of gas in Texas, and an overall low quality of life in IL.

[BadMotorscooter]

Then move there. Democrats don't belong in Texas.

Have fun with Pritzker, state police who lie to give you a speeding ticket to pump more money into their corrupt state, high taxes on everything, high costs of everything, nearly double the cost of gas in Texas, and an overall low quality of life in IL.


exactly....the dumbass should move there and let all his tax dollars go to illegals getting healthcare....but it wont happen because democrats cry and complain but flock to republican states.

[BadMotorscooter]

yeah, I guess Texas sending troops to Illinois against their will and the possibility of civil war is somewhat insular and self-absorbed

those aren't topics of general interest on this board, unlike talking about me


yeah, lets hear it, dumbass....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/illinois-spent-more-on-healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-than-roads-foster-kids-elderly-and-the-arts-combined/ar-AA1Oxx3l?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[Winehole23]

Then move there. Democrats don't belong in Texas.

Have fun with Pritzker, state police who lie to give you a speeding ticket to pump more money into their corrupt state, high taxes on everything, high costs of everything, nearly double the cost of gas in Texas, and an overall low quality of life in IL.there are 8 million registered dems in Texas -- it's our state too

[Winehole23]

yeah, lets hear it, dumbass....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/illinois-spent-more-on-healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants-than-roads-foster-kids-elderly-and-the-arts-combined/ar-AA1Oxx3l?ocid=BingNewsSerpall the immigrants Greg Abbott bused there weren't free of charge

[Millennial_Messiah]

there are 8 million registered dems in Texas -- it's our state too

and 10.6 million registered Republicans, and on top of that many of the registered dems are legacy dems in the RGV that voted heavily for Trump and rural areas that never bothered to change their registration in counties that voted 90-10% for Trump.... so really it's not your state, too. Move to Illinois. Pay the taxes. At least summers aren't as long there, eh? And global warming means less snow there than 50 years ago?

[koriwhat]

all the immigrants Greg Abbott bused there weren't free of charge

ILLEGALS! Say it with your chest you marxist retard!

[ChumpDumper]

and 10.6 million registered Republicans, and on top of that many of the registered dems are legacy dems in the RGV that voted heavily for Trump and rural areas that never bothered to change their registration in counties that voted 90-10% for Trump.... so really it's not your state, too. Move to Illinois. Pay the taxes. At least summers aren't as long there, eh? And global warming means less snow there than 50 years ago?Sure it's my state too.

This is stupid tribalist thinking.

[Winehole23]

and 10.6 million registered Republicans, and on top of that many of the registered dems are legacy dems in the RGV that voted heavily for Trump and rural areas that never bothered to change their registration in counties that voted 90-10% for Trump.... so really it's not your state, too. Move to Illinois. Pay the taxes. At least summers aren't as long there, eh? And global warming means less snow there than 50 years ago?fuck you, I like it here

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sure it's my state too.

This is stupid tribalist thinking.


fuck you, I like it here

Then hold the Ls and don't try to change things, like a conservative in California who loves the weather there and won't leave, shut up and don't complain

[Winehole23]

Then hold the Ls and don't try to change things, like a conservative in California who loves the weather there and won't leave, shut up and don't complainyou wish Texas were that uncompetitive

it isn't

y'all are losing ground fast

[Winehole23]

think I'll stay and fight for change

[Millennial_Messiah]

you wish Texas were that uncompetitive

it isn't

y'all are losing ground fast

Uh...

About that......



2018

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/2018_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas_result s_map_by_county.svg/800px-2018_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas_result s_map_by_county.svg.png


2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas#/media/File:Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2020.svg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2020.svg/800px-Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2020.svg.png


2022

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/2022_Texas_gubernatorial_election_results_map_by_c ounty.svg/800px-2022_Texas_gubernatorial_election_results_map_by_c ounty.svg.png


2024

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2024.svg/800px-Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2024.svg.png



What trend do you see??

[Winehole23]

you're living in the past, life on the ground has already overtaken conventional wisdom

[Winehole23]

what are Trump's 2025 stats?

[Winehole23]

you guys are 30-40 points underwater with Hispanics

that's what you get when you turn brown Americans into second class citizens again

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-polls-hispanics-2-2117009

[Winehole23]

I would say "papers, please," but it seems ICE/BPS doesn't inspect IDs at all until well after the arrest

I've already heard a small handful of stories about US citizens who were arrested and not permitted to produce their ID

[Winehole23]

de facto administrative detention for US citizens and elected officials seems to be getting more widespread


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:bbp2b224lro3bfnzcqwwnkfo/bafkreicgn7nh37bzkcuoxxygikxoaof7rzxcg226sngqe4anm zjcgce7rm@jpeghttps://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

[ChumpDumper]

Then hold the Ls and don't try to change things, like a conservative in California who loves the weather there and won't leave, shut up and don't complainThey try to change things there.

All the time.

Why are you this stupid?

[Blake]

Millennial would have made a great loyalist during the American revolution

[BadMotorscooter]

think I'll stay and fight for change

theres a sucker born every minute....

[Millennial_Messiah]

Millennial would have made a great loyalist during the American revolution

Definitely would have supported the Tories 100%. Talk about January 6th as an insurrection? :lmao child's play compared to the great insurrection of 1776 that should never have happened.

World would be a much better place if the USA remained part of the UK today.

[Blake]

theres a sucker born every minute....

Yeah you voted for the felon who's is still conning you

[Blake]

Definitely would have supported the Tories 100%. Talk about January 6th as an insurrection? :lmao child's play compared to the great insurrection of 1776 that should never have happened.

World would be a much better place if the USA remained part of the UK today.

Nope, you can't have a "love it or leave it" philosophy and be a Tory. You would have 100% been a loyalist to the king then just like you're a loyalist to your king today.

[BadMotorscooter]

Yeah you voted for the felon who's is still conning you

and you lost to him...how pathetic is your party?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nope, you can't have a "love it or leave it" philosophy and be a Tory. You would have 100% been a loyalist to the king then just like you're a loyalist to your king today.
that's exactly what I said, smartass.

the Tories were the loyalists, do you not know your history? Of course not because you're a Democrat.

Benevolent dictatorship >>>> demoocracy. At least you have stability.

If only the USA were ever so lucky to actually have a powerful King.

[Blake]

and you lost to him...how pathetic is your party?

Our country is pathetic

[BadMotorscooter]

Our country is pathetic

so leave...no one is keeping you here.

[Blake]

that's exactly what I said, smartass.

the Tories were the loyalists, do you not know your history? Of course not because you're a Democrat.

Benevolent dictatorship >>>> demoocracy. At least you have stability.

If only the USA were ever so lucky to actually have a powerful King.

My bad. Maybe we actually should use the term "Tories" more in every day language. It fits you guys perfect. At least you can admit you love having a king instead of a true 3 party system of checks and balances. Most of your team think they still believe they're not Tories.

[Blake]

so leave...no one is keeping you here.

No, Tory.

[Blake]

And oh yeah lolll "benevolent dictatorship"

[BadMotorscooter]

No, Tory.

a sucker is born every minute.....

[DarrinS]

I apologize to America for Joe Biden. Probably shouldn't have encouraged illegals to "surge the border".

[BadMotorscooter]

think I'll stay and fight for change

see this is democrats also...they wont move to cesspool democrat states like Illinois but claim its because they are valiant and fighting the good fight in a red state.....lmao. So why is the most moved out of states democrat like California and New York....and the most moved into state ones like Texas?....because democrat policies suck ass.....always have.

[BadMotorscooter]

Our country is pathetic

see and heres another democrat loser....complains about the country but doesnt have the balls to leave when republicans are in control...why? because he knows it he'll never have it better than here.....

[Winehole23]

Appeals court upholds the district court ruling while the case moves through the court

No deployment of federalzed troops


A federal appeals court on Thursday rejected the Trump administration’s request to pause a lower court ruling that temporarily blocks the deployment of National Guard troops in Illinois during its appeal.

The ruling allows a temporary restraining order against the deployment entered by U.S. District Judge April Perry in Chicago on October 9 to remain in place.https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-appeals-court-wont-allow-deployment-national-guard-illinois-while-it-weighs-2025-10-16/

[ChumpDumper]

These dipshits are incapable of honesty.

1978974134576058801

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1978974134576058801

[koriwhat]

and you lost to him...how pathetic is your party?

He's a cuckold bitch so no wonder he'd prefer our country as neutered as he's become.

[Winehole23]

discussion of "rebellion" starting p.13

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26189193-trumpnguardilca7opn101625pdf/

[Winehole23]

"political opposition isn't rebellion"

[Winehole23]

These dipshits are incapable of honesty.

1978974134576058801

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1978974134576058801
Low-effort, low-information cynics lick their propaganda straight off the spoon

[Winehole23]

Senate Republicans released a Schumer deep fake today

[Blake]

I apologize to America for Joe Biden. Probably shouldn't have encouraged illegals to "surge the border".

You'll never apologize for the arrests of legals. You're a sorry racist, tbh.

[Blake]

Senate Republicans released a Schumer deep fake today

They'll never apologize

[Winehole23]

They'll never apologizeof course not, shitposting is the party style

[koriwhat]

:cry They'll never apologize :cry

:lol

[Winehole23]

Vladeck thinks the Trump v Illinois lawsuit is make or break


As I wrote (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/07/opinion/trump-national-guard-cities.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rk8.cq6d.jOvI-ua-zMm-&smid=url-share) in an op-ed earlier this month, the real questions in these cases are not about the federal government’s (broad) legal authorities; they’re about the facts. And the absolute last place the Supreme Court should be re-litigating the facts is in the truncated, compressed frenzy of resolving an emergency application. If the justices really want to look at this case closely, they should grant certiorari before judgment and take full briefing and argument before doing anything to upset the status quo. Otherwise, the Court would be greenlighting pretextual (if not abusive) domestic deployments of the military—whether temporarily (if the justices think they might ultimately rule against the Trump administration on the merits), or … not.
If that’s not a red line for this Court, it’s hard to imagine what would be.https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/184-the-massive-stakes-of-trump-v

[Winehole23]

DHS is violating a consent decree in Illinois, ICE officers may now now face prosecution for continuing to break it



U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Cummings found that ICE agents violated the terms of a consent decree by detaining people without proper warrants, following a surge in such arrests amid increased enforcement activity. According to the judge’s order, ICE agents must now wear body cameras and have them turned on. They also cannot arrest anyone complying with their appointment dates at immigration courthouses.

The latest order expands protections for immigrants, mandating rigorous reporting and retraining requirements for agents and creating court-backed avenues for legal consequences—including possible arrest—for those found violating the judge’s directivehttps://migrantinsider.com/p/ice-agents-can-now-be-arrested-in

[Winehole23]

shoddy police work and lies are bollixing DOJ's prosecution of Chicagoans


Federal prosecutors charged Oak Park, Illinois resident Cole Sheridan on October 4 with assaulting, impeding, or resisting a federal agent over a situation that took place outside an ICE facility in suburban Chicago. In an affidavit (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487603/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487603.1.0.pdf) attached to the complaint, a Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agent alleged that Sheridan pushed Border Patrol officers during an Oct. 3 protest (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/greg-bovino-trump-border-patrol-escalation).


At a hearing last week, however, that account was called into question. Bovino, the flashy CBP commander, was involved in the arrest; per a federal official at the hearing, he was not wearing a body cam during the incident.

That lack of video prompted open skepticism from the judge.


“Without video of the actual physical exchange … there is only the evidence of the hearsay statement of Bovino,” Magistrate Judge Heather K. McShain reportedly (https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/10/10/troops-stay-away-from-federal-courthouse-downtown-as-some-cases-against-protesters-fall-apart/) said. McShain found that there was no probable cause to support the “assault” portion of the charge, per an order (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487603/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487603.14.0_1.pdf). The magistrate allowed other portions of the charge, including resisting a federal agent, to move forward.


Air Force veteran Dana Briggs, 70, was charged on Sept. 29 via criminal complaint (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487150/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487150.1.0.pdf) with a felony count of assaulting a federal officer at a protest. The affidavit, made by a Homeland Security Investigations special agent, cited YouTube videos in alleging that Briggs had swung his arm at a Border Patrol officer, and said that other officers had been wearing their cameras at the time.


Days later, federal prosecutors moved to dismiss the initial complaint and replace it with a misdemeanor (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487150/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487150.9.0.pdf). That charge omitted the assault allegation.

The reversal prompted the magistrate in the case, Judge Gabriel A. Fuentes, to ask to review the same videos on which the initial affidavit was based, saying in an order that the sworn affirmation had been “a substantial part of the basis for the Court’s initial determination of probable cause on the complaint.”
Magistrate Judge Fuentes has had two other Midway Blitz cases end after prosecutors declined to support claims made in the initial affidavit. Federal prosecutors charged Hubert Mazur via criminal complaint (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487076/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487076.1.0.pdf) with a misdemeanor charge of resisting a federal officer. An FBI special agent wrote that after a Border Patrol agent pushed Mazur back, the two fell to the ground.


Days later, prosecutors moved to dismiss (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487076/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487076.9.0.pdf) the case. At a hearing, government attorneys said that a review of additional body-worn camera footage prompted the decision. Judge Fuentes had prosecutors confirm, according to a minute order, that the FBI agent had sworn under oath that he had reviewed video evidence, and that that affirmation is what prompted the judge to find probable cause.


Paul Ivery was charged (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487082/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487082.1.0_1.pdf) on Sept. 28 with felony assault of a federal officer. An HSI agent alleged in an affidavit that Ivery shouted, “I’ll fucking kill you right now” at Border Patrol officers. He then ran away and grabbed an agent’s helmet as he was being arrested, the affidavit said, citing body-worn camera footage.

Prosecutors dropped that case last week and Fuentes put down the same record in an order: he only found probable cause because the affidavit cited (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487082/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487082.13.0.pdf) video evidence.


Other resisting federal officer cases against Chicago protesters have also fallen short.
One, filed against a couple that ICE accused (https://x.com/ICEgov/status/1972729680273785325) of being “armed rioters,” was dismissed after a grand jury declined to indict. Marimar Martinez, a 30-year-old Chicago resident and teacher, was accused (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/04/update-dhs-deploys-special-operations-after-multiple-violent-attacks-federal-law) in a DHS press release (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/04/vehicles-again-used-weapon-attack-against-dhs-law-enforcement-officers-forced-fire) of being a “domestic terrorist” and of ramming a government SUV while armed. An affidavit (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487596/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487596.1.0.pdf) filed in her case said that Martinez’s car “drove into and side-swiped” a CBP car, and contradicts the DHS press release on a few points: there were only two cars in the convoy, according to the affidavit, not ten, as DHS claimed. A CBP officer purportedly shot Martinez multiple times during the episode.


Body-worn camera footage undermined the government’s account there, her attorney has said. Instead, video shows that she shouted “la migra” while driving alongside immigration enforcement in Chicago, her attorney told the Chicago Sun-Times (https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/10/06/marimar-martinez-anthony-ian-santos-ruiz-border-patrol-shooting-brighton-park). As she shouted the warning about ICE’s presence, a CBP agent purportedly shouted, “do something, bitch,” before firing at her. The government later allowed the agent to drive the car back to his home in Maine, per a court hearing (https://abc7chicago.com/post/federal-vehicle-border-patrol-shooting-marimar-martinez-brighton-park-chicago-driven-maine-alleged-car-ramming/18022707/) in the case.


That episode attracted national attention. Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) asked DHS Secretary Kristi Noem about it in a Thursday letter (https://www.murphy.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/101625dhsletter.pdf), demanding body camera footage and to know how Laura Loomer apparently received photos from the scene.


The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Illinois did not return requests for comment.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/midway-blitz-prosecutions-body-cam-footage-dismissals

[Winehole23]

detaining random Chicagoans "who look like" who they're looking for, threatening lawyers who merely ask questions




https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:qqdqgzpqwyho4cxzso62m54q/bafkreicvlhvhd4hn5ymtq4af2w33udxvkjqj7hgugtbfg77ig h7zfrg5f4@jpeg


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[koriwhat]

detaining random Chicagoans "who look like" who they're looking for, threatening lawyers who merely ask questions

Every time I get detained at the checkpoint before the valley I don't bitch and moan about it. All you do is cry here on ST bro, your life is posting bs articles and crying foul endlessly about a whole lot of nothing. Fucking pathetic!

[Winehole23]

Every time I get detained at the checkpoint before the valley I don't bitch and moan about it. All you do is cry here on ST bro, your life is posting bs articles and crying foul endlessly about a whole lot of nothing. Fucking pathetic!oh, so you think all this is not happening? :lol

I thought you wanted it to happen?

[koriwhat]

oh, so you think all this is not happening? :lol

I thought you wanted it to happen?

Show me where I said this or that isn't happening or is this more make believe by retard WH who thinks men can be women. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Who's feigning now

[koriwhat]

Who's feigning now

You, forever! Retard!

[ChumpDumper]

Every time I get detained at the checkpoint before the valleyYou don't get detained you sissy idiot.

[Winehole23]

Republicans live in an alternate reality

https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/s...best-big-city/ (https://www.choosechicago.com/blog/special-events/chicago-voted-best-big-city/)


Chicago is a GREAT American city, one of the greatest


DHS is spreading terror and violence and abusing Chicagoland

[Winehole23]

hundreds turn out in a downstate town of 5,000 people in support of a local restauranteur

what's the social benefit of uprooting this guy and tearing his American family apart?



Hundreds of protestors lined Main Street in Staunton, with “Bring Him Home” as their main rallying cry, during an event Sunday in support of local restaurant owner Ismael Sandoval (https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/staunton-ice-detention-protest-illinois-metro-east-21129699.php).

Sandoval was taken into custody by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents on Wednesday.

After a brief rally at Staunton's Route 66 Park, attendees marched a block up Main Street to Sandoval’s restaurant, Caldera Bar & Grill (https://calderabarandgrillil.com/), for another short rally that included a brief speech by one of his daughters, Amy Sandoval, who said she wanted her father “out of that terrible place” and back with his family.

Ismael Sandoval has been a long-time fixture in the Staunton community. A Staunton resident for about two decades, he had just taken his two daughters to school Wednesday morning when ICE agents took him into custody within sight of several parents. Staunton School District officials said it was not on school property.

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/staunton-ice-detention-protest-ismael-sandoval-21134417.php

[Blake]

You don't get detained you sissy idiot.

"Are you a citizen?"

"Yes"

"Move along"

Poor Kori has to suffer through that every time.

[koriwhat]

hundreds turn out in a downstate town of 5,000 people in support of a local restauranteur

what's the social benefit of uprooting this guy and tearing his American family apart?

Is he an illegal alien? Buh-bye!

[koriwhat]

"Are you a citizen?"

"Yes"

"Move along"

Poor Kori has to suffer through that every time.

You have no clue what you're talking about BlaKKKe because you don't have nor have you been in a position where the state was corrupt against you, I have. You're a simpleton and so is your eGF Brooke, two dumb motherfuckers who think the interwebs are real life.

You ooze bitch made, bro.

[koriwhat]

Every time I get detained at the checkpoint before the valley I don't bitch and moan about it. All you do is cry here on ST bro, your life is posting bs articles and crying foul endlessly about a whole lot of nothing. Fucking pathetic!

And I have been DETAINED at a border check before, all my tattoo supplies dumped on the road by BP, and my car x-rayed with a huge van only to come up empty handed. Brooke and BlaKKKe speak from no real life experience and it shows.

[koriwhat]

You two should make a suicide pact already and do your families and us here a favor, BlaKKKe and BrookKKe.

[Winehole23]

this is from an unredacted version of a court filing obtained by

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:gx3pvpa3rsczyr5fs3lyiv2g, a Chicago Tribune reporter


Body cams apparently show Border Patrol agents joking about tossing tear gas at a nonviolent protest, with one agent saying "Hey, throw it [tear gas] for fun."

Agents then tried to drive away, but there was apparently so much tear gas they were overcome, couldn't drive, and had to leave on foot.


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[Winehole23]

Is he an illegal alien? Buh-bye!everything the Nazis did was legal when they did it

there will be a reckoning for the obscene inhumanity and lawlessness of enforcement

[Winehole23]

Illinois fights back



The Illinois legislature had passed the “Illinois Bivens Act,” allowing people to sue ICE agents in state court. Just waiting for Pritzker’s signature.dailynorthwestern.com/2025/11/03/c... (https://dailynorthwestern.com/2025/11/03/city/illinois-lawmakers-hit-back-at-ice-with-constitutional-rights-and-protections-bill/)

[koriwhat]

everything the Nazis did was legal when they did it

there will be a reckoning for the obscene inhumanity and lawlessness of enforcement

Same with all "Socialist" authoritarians.

[Winehole23]

coming soon to a city near you


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:43ck35s3crmdzqkghid2zsgv/bafkreihqic47k22xmjl337dvvn4aa2onzfc4llyfsw5yy6umi mla54ukky@jpeg

[Winehole23]

we reserve the right to refuse service


Earlier in the week, agents had surrounded the restaurant but refrained from entering. On Friday, however, a group of agents, including Bovino, entered the business despite signage on the door stating that federal officers were not permitted inside without a warrant.


“They said they were just here to buy something,” said employee Elizabeth Gutiérrez. “I told them we wouldn’t serve them and escorted them out. Bovino seemed upset, but I don’t care.”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/11/08/community-members-confront-bovino/

[koriwhat]

coming soon to a city near you

LOL Just camp ICE outside that restaurant and within 2 weeks that place will be shutting its doors forever. :lmao

No ICE signs are laughable just like...
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/black-owned-business-store-front.jpg?quality=75&w=1500

[BadMotorscooter]

Apology to Texas for having snowflakes like Wine Ho and Chump living here.......

[koriwhat]

Apology to Texas for having snowflakes like Wine Ho and Chump living here.......

They lie endlessly too just like good Communists do.

[ChumpDumper]

:lolYou don't even know what Communism is.

[Blake]

:lolYou don't even know what Communism is.

Hey if Russian asset Tim Pool says Biden is a communist...

[koriwhat]

Hey if Russian asset Tim Pool says Biden is a communist...

Doesn't mean Biden is a Communist, but many in the Dem party work hand in hand with Communists and always have since the beginning of the 20th century. It's not my fault if you lack the education to rebuttal what I say.

Btw, Tim Pool speaks little of the 1900s and how Communism came to America, its ties with multiple political factions, and those like you who perpetuate that cancer in today's day.

LOL I got a figure you should Google since I doubt you know who he is, Duclos. Find me an episode where Pool speaks of him and I'll cashapp you $100 rn.

[SnakeBoy]

coming soon to a city near you


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:43ck35s3crmdzqkghid2zsgv/bafkreihqic47k22xmjl337dvvn4aa2onzfc4llyfsw5yy6umi mla54ukky@jpeg

That's going to work, I'm sure of it.

[SnakeBoy]

From Face coverings required to face coverings prohibited

Libs are funny

[Blake]

No doubt in my mind Snakes would have been good with this sign:

https://www.oregonhistoryproject.org/media/uploads/We-Cater-to-White-Trade-Only-FSDM2.jpg

[Blake]

From Face coverings required to face coverings prohibited

Libs are funny

Good boy. You're much better at trolling than real talk.

[koriwhat]

No doubt in my mind Snakes would have been good with this sign:

In your head you live in the past, a past of which you have no association to but what ideology conjures up in you in order to smear Americans because they're either white, assumed to be white, or not of the same hive mind as you and the cult you belong to.

You have no experience of what you speak on. Times have changed and for the better so why is it in your nature to live in the past of which you did not belong to and more than likely would had accepted wholeheartedly without reform in mind?

All you do is smear those who are light years ahead of you in intellect and I know why you do it.

[koriwhat]

Good boy. You're much better at trolling than real talk.

You do zero when it comes to "real talk". Maybe you should grow a spine already, BlaKKKe. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

From Face coverings required to face coverings prohibited

Libs are funny

You want secret police to disappear US citizens.

You aren't funny at all.

[Winehole23]

Border Patrol did a racism, as a little treat

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:gx3pvpa3rsczyr5fs3lyiv2g/bafkreie6sdyx6qps25sv6xgmexxve62wfotxbajfzpo2iosmq qlujyhtwe@jpeg




Bovino and his agents showed up at the Bean this morning to pose for pictures. While Border Patrol snapped photos, one agent shouted, “Everyone say, ‘Little Village!’” The neighborhood where they are least welcome and most acutely felt. blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/10/b... (https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/11/10/border-patrol-agents-pose-at-the-bean-for-apparent-photo-op/)

[Winehole23]

at the first sign of wintry conditions, Bovino pulls up stakes and moves toward fair weather

buckle up North Carolina



The Trump administration has made plans for U.S. Border Patrol official Gregory Bovino and some of his agents to soon leave the Chicago area, three U.S. officials told CBS News Mondayhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/gregory-bovino-border-patrol-plan-to-leave-chicago-area-sources-say/

[BadMotorscooter]

dont come into the country illegally.....why dont dumbass democrats get this?

[Winehole23]

dont come into the country illegally.....why dont dumbass democrats get this?Trump's manner of enforcement is immoral, unlawful and extravagantly violent, why don't you dumbasses get that?

it's a big part of why y'all are losing right now

[Winehole23]

bring in the US Marines, that'll do the trick

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:rogqxhzq6vy54nbuy4n6rwyd/bafkreie2aqgakgimuqgsjggigxwl3gijdzygy6rfpwc56wola bie7ghzbm@jpeg

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[ChumpDumper]

dont come into the country illegally.....why dont dumbass democrats get this?

Why are your secret police disappearing full natural born US citizens without cause?

[Blake]

dont come into the country illegally.....why dont dumbass democrats get this?

You pimp for a convicted felon.

[Winehole23]

Why are your secret police disappearing full natural born US citizens without cause?the norm against deploying US troops against US people appears to be fully defunct; it is becoming routine

[Winehole23]

the norm against routine administrative detention of US citizens appears to be eroding too

[Winehole23]

Trump's manner of enforcement is immoral, unlawful and extravagantly violent, why don't you dumbasses get that?

it's a big part of why y'all are losing right nowthe Bovino immigration propaganda circus

[Winehole23]

whoopsie

camara footage destroyed


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:qqdqgzpqwyho4cxzso62m54q/bafkreibqoop6oa7boitilnzdiz5n53ucfc2ehuupsnahvxyxe z35aus3qq@jpeghttps://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71832522/66/moreno-gonzalez-v-noem-secretary-us-department-of-homeland-security/

[Yonivore]

everything the Nazis did was legal when they did it
ICE is enforcing laws that have been on the books for at least the last 6 or 7 presidencies. It's been illegal to enter this country and squat for quite a long time. My question is why haven't any of these aliens afforded themselves the opportunity to legalize their residency? The most heart-breaking stories are of people who have been here decades that, knowing they were here illegally, never tried to make their living here legal. Through Democrat and Republican administrations -- nothing.


there will be a reckoning for the obscene inhumanity and lawlessness of enforcement
You know who isn't having confrontations with Immigration and Customs Enforcement? The approximately 1.5 million that have voluntarily self-deported.

If the Democrats and Sanctuary City advocates had been smart, they would have assisted ICE in identifying, locating, and arresting the most violent criminals. This was the initial objective of ICE - to locate, arrest, and deport the criminal element first but, no, Democrats wanted to protect them all! Made no sense to me. So, with the most criminal element running to Sanctuary Cities for cover, ICE and DHS had no choice but to go in and do the jobs themselves. I also don't blame them for concealing their identities. With AG's like that Jay yahoo character and all the organized resistance just biting at the bit to visit violence on federal officers simply doing their jobs, who could blame the from trying to protect themselves and their families.

From having margaritas with violent criminals in foreign jails to protecting violent criminals in their Sanctuary Cities, Democrats have brought this on themselves and all illegal aliens.

I'm here for it.

[Winehole23]

ICE is enforcing laws that have been on the books for at least the last 6 or 7 presidencies. It's been illegal to enter this country and squat for quite a long time. My question is why haven't any of these aliens afforded themselves the opportunity to legalize their residency? The most heart-breaking stories are of people who have been here decades that, knowing they were here illegally, never tried to make their living here legal. Through Democrat and Republican administrations -- nothing.


You know who isn't having confrontations with Immigration and Customs Enforcement? The approximately 1.5 million that have voluntarily self-deported.

If the Democrats and Sanctuary City advocates had been smart, they would have assisted ICE in identifying, locating, and arresting the most violent criminals. This was the initial objective of ICE - to locate, arrest, and deport the criminal element first but, no, Democrats wanted to protect them all! Made no sense to me. So, with the most criminal element running to Sanctuary Cities for cover, ICE and DHS had no choice but to go in and do the jobs themselves. I also don't blame them for concealing their identities. With AG's like that Jay yahoo character and all the organized resistance just biting at the bit to visit violence on federal officers simply doing their jobs, who could blame the from trying to protect themselves and their families.

From having margaritas with violent criminals in foreign jails to protecting violent criminals in their Sanctuary Cities, Democrats have brought this on themselves and all illegal aliens.

I'm here for it.most of the people DHS is rounding up aren't criminals at all

many are fully compliant with immigration law and get deported anyway

[Yonivore]

most of the people DHS is rounding up aren't criminals at all
If their here illegally, they're criminals.


many are fully compliant with immigration law and get deported anyway
Define fully compliant. Fully compliant according to Democratic leniency practices started by Biden? Or, compliant according to federal immigration law?

[Winehole23]

If their here illegally, they're criminals.


Define fully compliant. Fully compliant according to Democratic leniency practices started by Biden? Or, compliant according to federal immigration law?according to immigration law

[Winehole23]

abducting people attending immigration hearings in courtrooms is prima facie arresting legally compliant people

[Winehole23]

Chicago Tribune: it's state terrorism



You know us.

For years, you watched and listened to our coverage of the Chicago area. As journalists, we did our best to bring you accurate, objective information about the people, events and issues that mattered. We hope we gained your trust.

So please trust us now when we say that what is happening in the Chicago area is wrong. The fact that some federal immigration forces may be leaving soon is cold comfort given the damage they’ve done and what they may do in other cities.

We are retired, but our colleagues who are still on the job have shown you a brutal and illegal campaign against fellow Chicagoans, mainly Latinos: violent abductions, gutting families, using tear gas around children, roughing up witnesses, ramming cars and even taking a day care teacher from her school.

Let us be clear: We support the lawful apprehension and deportation of undocumented immigrants with criminal records. The president says he’s after the worst of the worst, but that’s not what’s happening. It’s gone way beyond that. People are presumed guilty until proven innocent. It is not law enforcement; it is terror.

This dragnet seems to be based on racism and is snaring citizens of color, documented immigrants and people who have committed no serious crimes — your neighbor, friend, co-worker, babysitter and landscaper. People whose work ethic and honesty have contributed to the city for years.

https://i0.wp.com/www.chicagotribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/ctc-l-border-patrol-lv68.jpg?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1A federal agent with Immigration and Customs Enforcement points a weapon to keep the crowd back while agents briefly detained and then released a woman pulled from her car along West 26th Street on Nov. 8, 2025, in Cicero. (Brian Cassella/Chicago Tribune)

If you believe in due process and the rule of law, you are likely to be alarmed. If you are a person of faith or believe in the unity of family, you are likely to be appalled.

None of us can do everything, but we all can do something. We urge you to support groups fighting for due process or who help immigrants during this siege. News organizations also need our financial support to continue their vital reporting.

We covered this city for a living and love it, and we want you to know that what’s happening here is not normal. It’s eroding all of our rights and should be a warning to other cities that find themselves enveloped in an ICE storm.

— Derrick Blakley, Kathy Brock, Chris Bury, Bill Cameron, Pat Cassidy, Lilia Chacon, Muriel Clair, John Cody, Janet Davies, Craig Dellimore, John Dempsey, Mark Giangreco, Theresa Gutierrez, Robert Jordan, Sherman Kaplan, Anne Kavanagh, Rich King, Bill Kurtis, Alan Krashesky, Ron Magers, Carol Marin, Linda MacLennan, Ron Magers, Carol Marin, Linda MacLennan, Paul Meincke, Steve Miller, Phil Ponce, Phil Rogers, Jim Rose, Rich Samuels, Steve Sanders, Andy Shaw, Tom Skilling, Rob Stafford, David Stewart, Jim Williams, Larry Yellen, Linda Yu and Pam Zekman
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/11/13/letter-chicago-immigrants-broadcast-journalists/

[Winehole23]

Trump is trampling the law and the people

Tearing American families, communities and workplaces apart

[Yonivore]

Trump is trampling the law and the people

Tearing American families, communities and workplaces apart
He's doing the job 77 million American elected him to do. Securing the border and deporting as many illegal aliens as he can find. If they're here illegally, they're not American so, we can start with that fallacy.

[ChumpDumper]

You elected Trump to make a secret police force that can disappear US citizens without cause.

You're a fascist.

[Winehole23]

He's doing the job 77 million American elected him to do. Securing the border and deporting as many illegal aliens as he can find. If they're here illegally, they're not American so, we can start with that fallacy.Well, the country belongs to the rest of us too; we live in it.

Y'all are fucking up cities, communities and families. The immoral and unlawful dimensions of current immigration enforcement inflict real agony and pain on the American people.

Having a temporary monopoly on lawful violence isn't everything in politics, y'all act like it's all you need

[Winehole23]

Yonivore (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=48)

what do you think about hundreds of Americans getting detained administratively by the US government?

is that normal now?

[Yonivore]

Yonivore (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=48)

what do you think about hundreds of Americans getting detained administratively by the US government?

is that normal now?
People being detained by law enforcement is normal.

[ChumpDumper]

People being detained by law enforcement is normal.No. Not being disappeared for days and weeks at a time by secret police.

Why are you pretending this is normal?

Why do you want secret police to be able to disappear you without cause?

[Yonivore]

Well, the country belongs to the rest of us too; we live in it.
Elections have consequences.


Y'all are fucking up cities, communities and families. The immoral and unlawful dimensions of current immigration enforcement inflict real agony and pain on the American people.
I don't see it that way. Crime is down in cities where Trump has intervened. Hundreds, if not thousands, of violent criminal illegal aliens have been removed from the streets and either imprisoned or deported. I think cities are being cleaned up and relieved of criminal elements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9zW3B-7RgQ&t=2s


Having a temporary monopoly on lawful violence isn't everything in politics, y'all act like it's all you need
Employing the force necessary to effect an arrest is legal. If Democrats would stop organizing to attempt to frustrate the legal efforts of federal law enforcement, I doubt their would be any aggression.

[Blake]

People being detained by law enforcement is normal.

Just like kids dying in high school is normal because your precious 2nd amendment.

[ChumpDumper]

Crime is down in cities where Trump has intervened.Gonna have to show actual stats proving that.

[Winehole23]

People being detained by law enforcement is normal.nice dodge

administrative detention hasn't been normal for US citizens for 100 years

starting around 1917 we rounded up a bunch of Germans -- about 8% of the total German population (https://www.liberalcurrents.com/the-politics-of-fear-in-american-history/) in the US by the war's end

most were aliens, but many innocent people were swept up in the hysteria


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[Winehole23]

(for me Trump goes alongside Wilson as worst-ever US president)

[Winehole23]

(Wilson resegregated the civil service too)

[Winehole23]

Gonna have to show actual stats proving that.the trend started before Trump, it continues

[Winehole23]

Elections have consequences.deploying US troops only to Democratically controlled cities to do crowd control seems a little unusual



I don't see it that way. Crime is down in cities where Trump has intervened. Hundreds, if not thousands, of violent criminal illegal aliens have been removed from the streets and either imprisoned or deported. I think cities are being cleaned up and relieved of criminal elements.the majority aren't criminals



Employing the force necessary to effect an arrest is legal. If Democrats would stop organizing to attempt to frustrate the legal efforts of federal law enforcement, I doubt their would be any aggression.when jackbooted terror comes, Yoni licks the boot

[Yonivore]

deploying US troops only to Democratically controlled cities to do crowd control seems a little unusual
You go where it's needed. Conservatively controlled cities haven't set themselves up to be sanctuaries for illegal aliens or criminals and they certainly don't attract the kinds of crowds that assemble in pussy hats and obstruct law enforcement.


the majority aren't criminals
Again, if they're in the country illegally, they're criminals. Democrats would have been smart to heed Homan's warning, early on, help with the capture and deportation of the violent criminal illegal aliens and none of this would have been necessary. Those living peacefully would have been the last to have been arrested and deported but, since ICE and DHS have to muscle their way into American cities, resisting their efforts to enforce the law, anyone found to be in violation is subject to arrest and deportation.

He said it, over and over and over again.


when jackbooted terror comes, Yoni licks the boot
I voted for the border to be closed and for all illegal aliens to be deported - among other things. You can call that licking the boot. I call it fulfilling a campaign promise being fulfilled. If anything, Trump is licking mine and 77 million others' boots by doing what we elected him to do.

[ChumpDumper]

Pussy hats are not illegal.

[ChumpDumper]

I voted for the border to be closedTrump asked for a record number of foreign workers for himself last year.

You vote for that?

[Winehole23]

putting Yoni down for "cool with presidents unleashing US troops on his political opponents"

[Yonivore]

putting Yoni down for "cool with presidents unleashing US troops on his political opponents"
That's what Democrats do. I'm cool with the law being enforced equally.

[ChumpDumper]

That's what Democrats do.When?

[Winehole23]

I'm curious about that too

[Winehole23]

is he talking about episodic federal enforcement of desegregation back in the 50s and 60s?

[Winehole23]

they didn't do neighborhood sweeps

they just protected kids trying to go to school from violent mobs

[ChumpDumper]

they didn't do neighborhood sweeps

they just protected kids trying to go to school from violent mobs

Which Ike did first.

[Winehole23]

Yoni ghosted on his brain fart

[Yonivore]

Yoni ghosted on his brain fart
this isn't Yoni's life. I probably spend too much time on here as it is...so, what did I ghost you on?

And, if it's something Chump said, I don't read his drivel anymore.

[Winehole23]

this isn't Yoni's life. I probably spend too much time on here as it is...so, what did I ghost you on?

And, if it's something Chump said, I don't read his drivel anymore.five posts upstream, on this page

when did Democrats unleash US troops on Republican run cities?

[Yonivore]

five posts upstream, on this page

when did Democrats unleash US troops on Republican run cities?
The reason you can’t find an example of Democrats “unleashing troops on Republican-run cities” is simple: Republican-run cities don’t generally require federal troops to enforce federal law or maintain basic order. Historically, when Democratic administrations sent in regular military forces — Kennedy at Ole Miss, Johnson in Detroit — they were responding to situations where local Democratic leadership either couldn’t or wouldn’t enforce federal law or maintain control.

As for Los Angeles, the 700 Marines you’re referring to weren’t doing “neighborhood sweeps.” That’s the internet caricature. They were deployed to protect federal agents and federal property after local and state officials openly refused to cooperate with, and in some cases actively obstructed, federal law enforcement operations. The Posse Comitatus dispute is about whether that protective role was appropriate — not about Marines patrolling the streets like some cartoon of martial law.

Republican cities haven’t required military intervention, and the one modern case involving Marines in L.A. had nothing to do with occupying neighborhoods — it was about securing federal personnel when the city government refused to do its job.

Color yourself "unghosted."

[Winehole23]

The reason you can’t find an example of Democrats “unleashing troops on Republican-run cities” is simple: Republican-run cities don’t generally require federal troops to enforce federal law or maintain basic order. Historically, when Democratic administrations sent in regular military forces — Kennedy at Ole Miss, Johnson in Detroit — they were responding to situations where local Democratic leadership either couldn’t or wouldn’t enforce federal law or maintain control.

As for Los Angeles, the 700 Marines you’re referring to weren’t doing “neighborhood sweeps.” That’s the internet caricature. They were deployed to protect federal agents and federal property after local and state officials openly refused to cooperate with, and in some cases actively obstructed, federal law enforcement operations. The Posse Comitatus dispute is about whether that protective role was appropriate — not about Marines patrolling the streets like some cartoon of martial law.

Republican cities haven’t required military intervention, and the one modern case involving Marines in L.A. had nothing to do with occupying neighborhoods — it was about securing federal personnel when the city government refused to do its job.

Color yourself "unghosted."Democratic cities don't require federal law enforcement either, it's all pretextual bullshit

PDs are doing their jobs, the courts are open and normally functioning, etc

[Blake]

The reason you can’t find an example of Democrats “unleashing troops on Republican-run cities” is simple: Republican-run cities don’t generally require federal troops to enforce federal law or maintain basic order. Historically, when Democratic administrations sent in regular military forces — Kennedy at Ole Miss, Johnson in Detroit — they were responding to situations where local Democratic leadership either couldn’t or wouldn’t enforce federal law or maintain control.

As for Los Angeles, the 700 Marines you’re referring to weren’t doing “neighborhood sweeps.” That’s the internet caricature. They were deployed to protect federal agents and federal property after local and state officials openly refused to cooperate with, and in some cases actively obstructed, federal law enforcement operations. The Posse Comitatus dispute is about whether that protective role was appropriate — not about Marines patrolling the streets like some cartoon of martial law.

Republican cities haven’t required military intervention, and the one modern case involving Marines in L.A. had nothing to do with occupying neighborhoods — it was about securing federal personnel when the city government refused to do its job.

Color yourself "unghosted."

So Democrats actually don't do it.

[ChumpDumper]

The reason you can’t find an example of Democrats “unleashing troops on Republican-run cities” is simple: Republican-run cities don’t generally require federal troops to enforce federal law or maintain basic order.The violent crime rate in Lubbock is higher than that of New York City.

According to you, Lubbock needs to be occupied by federal troops.

[Blake]

The violent crime rate in Lubbock is higher than that of New York City.

According to you, Lubbock needs to be occupied by federal troops.

God forbid if they get hit in the face by a flying tortilla

[Yonivore]

Democratic cities don't require federal law enforcement either, it's all pretextual bullshit

PDs are doing their jobs, the courts are open and normally functioning, etc
Well, they're not arresting illegal aliens and when federal officers try, they are obstructed by local officials so, no, PDs aren't doing their jobs.

[Blake]

Well, they're not arresting illegal aliens and when federal officers try, they are obstructed by local officials so, no, PDs aren't doing their jobs.

It's not the PDs job to arrest illegals. "Obstructed by local officials" is a podcast strawman.

Who do you listen to for your daily dose of liberal hate?

[Winehole23]

singled out because he wrote an oped DHS didn't like


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[Winehole23]

Well, they're not arresting illegal aliens and when federal officers try, they are obstructed by local officials so, no, PDs aren't doing their jobs.PDs aren't supposed to do federal enforcement

and US armed forces are forbidden by law from doing domestic LE

[Winehole23]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/posse-comitatus-act-explained

[Yonivore]

PDs aren't supposed to do federal enforcement
You're correct. But, when those that are doing federal enforcement come under attack -- on their city streets -- it kind of is in their purview.

Chicago police told to hold back after Border Patrol shooting in Brighton Park, body-camera footage shows (https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/11/14/chicago-police-border-patrol-shooting-brighton-park-body-camera-footage-immigration)


and US armed forces are forbidden by law from doing domestic LE
You’re flattening a complex issue into a bumper sticker. Posse Comitatus blocks federal troops from acting as cops — it does not prohibit them from protecting federal personnel, facilities, or operations when locals refuse to. That narrow distinction is literally what the courts are reviewing. So quit pretending this is settled law; it’s not. The assertion isn’t ‘Marines doing neighborhood sweeps,’ it’s safeguarding federal assets. If you’re going to argue the point, at least argue the point that’s actually on the table.

[Winehole23]

You're correct. But, when those that are doing federal enforcement come under attack -- on their city streets -- it kind of is in their purview.

Chicago police told to hold back after Border Patrol shooting in Brighton Park, body-camera footage shows (https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/11/14/chicago-police-border-patrol-shooting-brighton-park-body-camera-footage-immigration)


You’re flattening a complex issue into a bumper sticker. Posse Comitatus blocks federal troops from acting as cops — it does not prohibit them from protecting federal personnel, facilities, or operations when locals refuse to. That narrow distinction is literally what the courts are reviewing. So quit pretending this is settled law; it’s not. The assertion isn’t ‘Marines doing neighborhood sweeps,’ it’s safeguarding federal assets. If you’re going to argue the point, at least argue the point that’s actually on the table.Judge Immergut called bullshit on Trump's evidence for public disorder, federal troops have been barred from deployment in Oregon

In Chicago, the immigration sweeps are the emergency tending to cause public disorder; Judge Perry has barred deployment of federalized troops in Illinois for the time being

[Winehole23]

(Yoni takes the pretext for granted like a good bunny)

[Winehole23]

in passing, it seems like CPD and Illinois State Troopers are protecting ICE just fine

[Winehole23]

Which Ike did first.Republican on Democrat at first

Then Democrat on Democrat

LBJ

[Winehole23]

Pope Leo is a tool of our enemies

[Yonivore]

Judge Immergut called bullshit on Trump's evidence for public disorder, federal troops have been barred from deployment in Oregon
Meh, Trump has a pretty good record of getting activist judges reversed on appeal so, we'll see.


In Chicago, the immigration sweeps are the emergency tending to cause public disorder; Judge Perry has barred deployment of federalized troops in Illinois for the time being
Seems these "emergencies" only occur in Democrat-controlled cities. I've never heard of legitimate law enforcement efforts being classified as an emergency.

[Winehole23]

^^^very handwavy, very thin on details and replies to details

[Winehole23]

the judiciary is a co-equal sovereign in the US constitutional scheme

[Winehole23]

torturing clergy for dissident political speech


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[Winehole23]

Meal Team Six and California National Guard troop are pulling up stakes in Illinois and Oregon


The 200 federalized California National Guard members sent to Portland, Oregon (https://abc7chicago.com/post/trump-administration-can-deploy-national-guard-portland-court-rules/18045978/), and another 200 federalized Texas National Guard members sent to Chicago will return to their home states, according to two U.S. officials.


The federalized Guard troops arrived to the Naval Station Great Lakes in North Chicago in early October (https://abc7chicago.com/post/illinois-national-guard-patrol-chicago-area-troops-depart-texas-trump-threatens-use-insurrection-act/17956187/), but they never deployed operationally because of legal challenges (https://abc7chicago.com/post/national-guard-chicago-news-judge-consider-extension-order-temporarily-blocking-area/18055528/) that continue playing out in court.


not sure whether this will moot the legal challenges to deployment, but it would make sense to avoid final rulings on such weak cases


California will maintain a ready force of 100 Guard members and Texas will maintain a force of 200 members who have all volunteered for the mission, according to one of the officials.https://abc7chicago.com/post/texas-national-guardsmen-leaving-chicago-area-deployments-halted-due-legal-challenges-us-officials-say/18159229/

[Winehole23]

So Democrats actually don't do it.they did in the 1960s and onward

against mostly Democrats

[Winehole23]

people were still blowing up schools (WV) over desegregation in the 1970s

[Yonivore]

the judiciary is a co-equal sovereign in the US constitutional scheme
Before you canonize these federal district judges, remember what the Constitution actually says in Article III, Section 1: "The judicial Power… shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."

In other words, the ONLY court the Constitution requires is the Supreme Court. Every district court — and every judge on them — exists solely because Congress decided to create them. They’re not co-equal with the Supreme Court, they’re inferior courts, literally by constitutional design. That’s why hundreds of their injunctions get reversed on appeal: they’re not the final word, and they were never meant to be.”

[ChumpDumper]

:lol you cheer when the "inferior" courts rule the way you want them to and demand Democrats obey them

[BadMotorscooter]

:lol you cheer when the "inferior" courts rule the way you want them to and demand Democrats obey them

:lolyou cheer when the "inferior" courts rule the way you want them to and demand Republicans obey them.

[ChumpDumper]

:lolyou cheer when the "inferior" courts rule the way you want them to and demand Republicans obey them.

?

Court orders should be obeyed no matter what party. You're an idiot.:tu

[BadMotorscooter]

?

Court orders should be obeyed no matter what party. You're an idiot.:tu


You should learn that, idiot.:bobo

[ChumpDumper]

You should learn that, idiot.:bobo

I said it. You can't, idiot.:bobo

[Winehole23]

Before you canonize these federal district judges, remember what the Constitution actually says in Article III, Section 1: "The judicial Power… shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."

In other words, the ONLY court the Constitution requires is the Supreme Court. Every district court — and every judge on them — exists solely because Congress decided to create them. They’re not co-equal with the Supreme Court, they’re inferior courts, literally by constitutional design. That’s why hundreds of their injunctions get reversed on appeal: they’re not the final word, and they were never meant to be.”cloaked by the awesome power of the US Congress and the US Constitution, district courts are the judiciary too

[Winehole23]

(I know you wish they weren't)

[Yonivore]

cloaked by the awesome power of the US Congress and the US Constitution, district courts are the judiciary too
Forever defined as inferior by the U. S. Constitution and subject to the awesome power of the U. S. Congress.

[Winehole23]

Forever defined as inferior by the U. S. Constitution and subject to the awesome power of the U. S. Congress.substantively, i said much the same thing

thanks for listening

[Winehole23]

none of that means, or has ever meant, that the president can ignore a court order because he thinks the appeal will be successful

[Winehole23]

standing up for that is defying the law and the constitution and is a per se disqualification from office or continuing in an office

[Winehole23]

The president swears to uphold the law and the constitution

That means he can't defy a court order

It also means he can't lie to the court

Trump is wildly afoul on both these counts

[Winehole23]

(this is just in the Boasberg case, there are many other examples)

[Winehole23]

DOJ can't make its assault cases stick

this is practically unheard of

[Winehole23]

Because they lie, and do shitty police work

Then the politically motivated lawyers take over, doing little better

(Not sorry Jeanine Pirro, you suck)

[Winehole23]

(Bill Essayli, looking at you, too)

[Winehole23]

Chicagoland juries and grand juries are also noping out

the evidence stinks

[Winehole23]

Illinois sues DHS

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[Winehole23]

Jury rejects murder for hire charges against Bovino

DOJ is all out of integrity with Illinois justice


Federal authorities slapped all kinds of sinister labels on Chicago’s Juan Espinoza Martinez when they arrested him (https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/06/feds-say-ranking-latin-king-offered-10k-for-bovinos-murder) last fall, and they did it for all the world to hear.
They called him a “high-ranking member of the Latin Kings.” They called him “depraved.” They even called him a “thug” as they accused him of offering $10,000 for the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Cmdr. Gregory Bovino.


But Thursday, a federal jury called Espinoza Martinez “not guilty.” In doing so, it put an end to one of the most contentious prosecutions (https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2026/01/19/chicagos-first-midway-blitz-trial-could-revolve-around-the-feds-bovino-murder-for-hire-claim) to result from “Operation Midway Blitz.”
https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2026/01/22/federal-jury-rejects-bovino-murder-plot-after-called-upon-stand-up-overreaching-government