25 Years Ago This Morning

[Millennial_Messiah]

25 years ago this morning, the United States Government murdered roughly 3,000 of its own citizens. Airline travelers, office workers, and first responders perished in the U.S.'s goals in stealing foreign oil, justifying genocide, creating endless sectarian conflict, sewing permanent global chaos and division, and instilling a lasting popular sense of fear domestically that has continued to gradually erode our civil liberties and individual freedoms beyond reasonable repair.

Never forget.

[Winehole23]

Today


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[Winehole23]

cf., stage 4 cancer guy

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[Winehole23]

25 years ago today

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[ChumpDumper]

25 years ago this morning, the United States Government murdered roughly 3,000 of its own citizens.Walk us through your conspiracy theory.

[Winehole23]

when is the press going to start talking about Trump's deteriorating neurological condition?


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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

too soon?


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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

9/11 litigation is still active


For over 20 years, a small group of lawyers has been seeking justice on behalf of the victims of the 9/11 Attacks, trying to hold the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, its financial institutions, and state-sponsored NGOs responsible for their role in providing funding and logistical support to al Qaida.

Next big event is on Oct 7. Last August, a federal judge denied the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's motion to dismiss the lawsuit. The court focused on the complicity of two US-based Saudi officials who aided the hijackers. (Google "Omar al Bayoumi" or "Fahad al-Thumairy.") Oct 7 is the 2d Cir appeal.https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.242129/gov.uscourts.nysd.242129.11182.0.pdf

[Winehole23]

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BBC recently published a deep dive on the deep ties Saudi official Omar al-Bayoumi had with al Qaeda, paintballing with al-Awlaki, and caught with a handwritten equation showing the height and distance required for a pilot to guide an plane to hit an object on the groundwww.bbc.com/news/article... (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4vn1e207go)

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Sikism is unrelated to Islam, but since 9/11 Sikhs have suffered significant discrimination and violence in the USA, probably because devout Sikhs wear turbans

https://www.sikhcoalition.org/images/documents/fact%20sheet%20on%20hate%20against%20sikhs%20in%20 america%20post%209-11%201.pdf

[Winehole23]

'worst of the worst"


Once a week, in a Queens office building, a group of immigrants in their 50s and 60s gathers. They've all known each other for some 25 years: they met when they were cleaning up ground zero together. They are among the thousands of cleanup crews who rushed to the destruction in lower Manhattan following the attacks of 9/11. Many of those workers were immigrants and as many as 6,000 of them were undocumented. They were all exposed to toxic debris, and psychological trauma. And as the Trump administration pursues its aggressive immigration agenda, many are living in enhanced fear of immigration enforcement.https://www.npr.org/2026/09/11/nx-s1-5965553/ground-zero-sept-11-undocumented-immigrants

[Millennial_Messiah]

Walk us through your conspiracy theory.

I also think that Trump and Howard Lutnick, one of his lifelong pals and best friends and now part of his administration, had a lot to do with co-conspiratorship in 9/11. It's pretty basic two-plus-two math (think the 2017 San Antonio West Side incident off 410/Ingram where the gym owner burned down the whole building at night to save his failing business and get a massive insurance payout, which led to the death of a SAFD firefighter........ but on steroids in the case of 9/11)... Lutnick's dot-com financial services e-business was failing pretty badly by the summer of 2001 and he had way more office space at the top of the North Tower than he could afford. He couldn't pay his employees, so he killed them, including his own brother. But that's common practice with elite oligarchs.

Approximately half of all the deaths on 9/11 were Lutnick's employees. However, Lutnick, of course, the CEO, was not inside the building at the time. How convenient. Coincidence? I think not, see Gibbs rule 39.

Also, Trump is evil, evil, evil. Pure evil. He literally was on CNN that morning and when they called him he sounded very giddy about the incident over the phone, almost like he expected it to happen, and boasted about how his tower was now back to being the tallest tower in Lower Manhattan. That's the human being he is.

[Winehole23]

did you make this up all on your own, Andy? it's pretty weak even for you.

[ChumpDumper]

I also think that Trump and Howard Lutnick, one of his lifelong pals and best friends and now part of his administration, had a lot to do with co-conspiratorship in 9/11. It's pretty basic two-plus-two math (think the 2017 San Antonio West Side incident off 410/Ingram where the gym owner burned down the whole building at night to save his failing business and get a massive insurance payout, which led to the death of a SAFD firefighter........ but on steroids in the case of 9/11)... Lutnick's dot-com financial services e-business was failing pretty badly by the summer of 2001 and he had way more office space at the top of the North Tower than he could afford. He couldn't pay his employees, so he killed them, including his own brother. But that's common practice with elite oligarchs.

Approximately half of all the deaths on 9/11 were Lutnick's employees. However, Lutnick, of course, the CEO, was not inside the building at the time. How convenient. Coincidence? I think not, see Gibbs rule 39.

Also, Trump is evil, evil, evil. Pure evil. He literally was on CNN that morning and when they called him he sounded very giddy about the incident over the phone, almost like he expected it to happen, and boasted about how his tower was now back to being the tallest tower in Lower Manhattan. That's the human being he is.So how did Howard Lutnick and Donald Trump put together the plan and team to carry out their dastardly plot?

[ChumpDumper]

I also think that Trump and Howard Lutnick, one of his lifelong pals and best friends and now part of his administration, had a lot to do with co-conspiratorship in 9/11. It's pretty basic two-plus-two math (think the 2017 San Antonio West Side incident off 410/Ingram where the gym owner burned down the whole building at night to save his failing business and get a massive insurance payout, which led to the death of a SAFD firefighter........ but on steroids in the case of 9/11)... Lutnick's dot-com financial services e-business was failing pretty badly by the summer of 2001 and he had way more office space at the top of the North Tower than he could afford. He couldn't pay his employees, so he killed them, including his own brother. But that's common practice with elite oligarchs.

Approximately half of all the deaths on 9/11 were Lutnick's employees. However, Lutnick, of course, the CEO, was not inside the building at the time. How convenient. Coincidence? I think not, see Gibbs rule 39.

Also, Trump is evil, evil, evil. Pure evil. He literally was on CNN that morning and when they called him he sounded very giddy about the incident over the phone, almost like he expected it to happen, and boasted about how his tower was now back to being the tallest tower in Lower Manhattan. That's the human being he is.So how did Howard Lutnick and Donald Trump put together the plan and team to carry out their dastardly plot?

[Millennial_Messiah]

So how did Howard Lutnick and Donald Trump put together the plan and team to carry out their dastardly plot?

they have a lot of money and are very corrupt, i wouldn't be surprised if they were part of it, chess pieces on the board for sure

Where there's incentive, there's motive. Both definitely had motive. For Lutnick it was big time money. Cantor Fitzgerald had a massive debt in 2001 (in decent part thanks to overinvesting in largely failed tech subsidiaries BGC and eSpeed) and they just so happened to magically occupy almost all of the office space above the impact zone of the north tower. After massive insurance payouts, offshoring/remoting their workspace until the mid 2010s, and 20+ years of NYC government sympathy, Lutnick/CF is now worth almost $10 billion according to Google, compared to $140M in August 2001 and nearly 400M in debt. Without 9/11 Lutnick would have been out of business by probably 2003 and those floors in the upper 90s and low 100s get bought out by probably some bigger company or bank... ick, but still. For Lutnick, his employees including his own brother were pawns on the chess board to be sacrificed for the greater good.

[Coincidence? hahahahaha, nice try. side note: at age 6 I got to visit the fancy restaurant on floor 106/107 with my older cousins who were doing a college internship in Omaha and were invited there, so a few of my own dead skin cell DNA went down with the north tower. ~10 months before 9/11. We were going to do the observatory on the top of the south tower too but didn't have time sadly.]

as for Trump, his motivation is that he's a megalomaniac and the sheer existence of the twin towers and the fact he didn't have any stake in them or any business dealings at WTC, he'd been pretty much effectively blackballed by WTC in the past just was devastating to his ego. Trump and Lutnick had been friends since the late 1980s. Trump had the money to help press trigger on the nuclear option, the only option that would get Lutnick out of bankruptcy or failure. Buy those jihadi pawn pilots who were weak insurgents but had had a religious and cultural motive to attack the USA since at least the first Gulf war, and you have a large piece of the puzzle.

[ChumpDumper]

So how did Howard Lutnick and Donald Trump put together the plan and team to carry out their dastardly plot?

[Winehole23]

how did they wrangle all those Saudi guys to do it?

I'm curious too

even if we grant the motive, where was the opportunity?

[Millennial_Messiah]

how did they wrangle all those Saudi guys to do it?

I'm curious too

even if we grant the motive, where was the opportunity?

those Saudi guys (Osama was also Saudi fyi) were low on the food chain and motivated by rage of Western invasion of their homeland. The jihad cause against the West was very strong in the 1990s, hence the 1993 terror attack and others, largely re-spurred on by the Bush I Gulf War and before that Russia's invasion in Afghanistan, but realistically it dates back much further: to the Islamofascist "House of Saud" movement in the first quarter of the 1900s, which had revolutionized against the relatively moderate and secular Hashemite Arabian Saudi government. The Islamist revolutionaries even in the first half of the 20th century strongly objected to the UK and the rest of Europe attempting to colonize the Middle East for resources and logistical port control over the world, and over time incorporated terroristic violence into their mainstream culture which spread like wildfire across the Muslim world.

simply put, they were suicidal and believed in a dangerous cult religion which believes that suicide in the name of said religion grants exclusive access to 72 gorgeous young girls in a hypothetical afterlife known as "Jannah", probably underage like prophet messiah of said religion liked but it is what it is. They were easy pawns on the chess board for the elites to use to sew and cause global chaos which is always how the elites have liked things. To keep the world at war and humans fighting against other humans. That's been the MO of the wealthy class for centuries.

Now obviously, more competent pilots would have struck the building much lower and well after 9am, causing well over 50k deaths. But most competent pilots don't believe in the kill yourself for 72 virgins schtick and Howard Lutnick's main purpose in 1WTC was making sure Cantor Fitzgerald, which occupied floors 96 through 105, was destroyed. 2WTC, well why not get one for the price of the other? Especially since Trump wanted his tallest tower back.

[Winehole23]

so like, how did Lutnick and Trump get in contact with those Saudi guys and arrange the precision attack on the WTC?