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RandomGuy
12-09-2005, 09:01 PM
Here is some more news to digest.


What 'staying the course' really means
By Robert Dreyfuss

Nearly three years into the war in Iraq, the Bush administration tells us that it wasn't about weapons of mass destruction or Iraqi ties to al-Qaeda, but about America's holy mission to spread democracy to the benighted regions of the Middle East. However, postwar Iraq is anything but a democracy. In fact, if Iraq manages to avoid all-out civil war, it is likely to end up with a government that is fiercely undemocratic - a Shi'ite theocratic dictatorship that rules by terror, torture, and armed might.

What President George W Bush has wrought in Iraq is just the latest in a long string of US efforts to make common cause with the Islamic right. But like the Sorcerer's Apprentice, whose naive and inexperienced use of magic blows up in his face, American efforts to play with the forces of political Islam have proved to be dangerous, volatile and often uncontrollable.

The problem goes far beyond the Shi'ites in Iraq. In the Sunni parts of the country, the power of Islamism is growing, too - and



by this I do not mean the forces associated with al-Qaeda. but the radical-right Muslim Brotherhood, represented there by the Iraqi Islamic Party, and other manifestations of the Salafi and Wahhabi-style religious right.

(snip)

Does this mean that al-Qaeda-style fanatics will take power? No. Whether in the form of Iraq's Shi'ite theocrats or the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and Egypt, the Islamic right cannot be compared to al-Qaeda. Yet, just as the US Christian right has its abortion clinic bombers, just as the Israeli Jewish right spawned the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin and settler-extremists who kill dozens at Muslim holy sites, the Islamic right provides ideological support and theological justification for more extreme (and, yes, terrorist) offspring.

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From the mid-1990s on, and especially after 2001, the US provided overt and covert assistance to [shia religious] organizations as part of the effort to force regime change in Iraq. Like Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, with which both worked closely and which had offices in Tehran, SCIRI and Dawa were based in Iran. SCIRI, in fact, was founded in 1982 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and its paramilitary arm, the Badr Brigade, was trained and armed by Iran's Revolutionary Guards. Certainly, to the Bush administration, SCIRI and Dawa were known quantities.

(snip)

The latest revelation is that SCIRI's Badr Brigade, now a 20,000-strong militia, operated a secret torture prison in Baghdad holding hundreds of Sunni detainees. There, prisoners had their skin flayed off, electric shocks applied to their genitals, or power drills driven into their bones. SCIRI and Dawa are the senior partners in an Iraqi government which has imposed a unilateralist constitution on the country that elevates the power of the Shi'ite-dominated provinces and enshrines their vision of Islam in the body politic.

(snip)

Perhaps the ultimate irony of Bush's war on terrorism is this: while the president asserts that the war in Iraq is the central front in the struggle against what he describes as "Islamofascism", real "Islamofascists" are already in power in Baghdad - and they are, shamefully, America's allies.

Of course, among the Iraqi opposition, too, the Islamic right is growing. The forces of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaeda in Iraq have gained some limited support from Iraqis, and Zarqawi is using the war to rally support from jihadis throughout the region.

More broadly, the US occupation is pushing ever larger numbers of Sunni Arabs toward support for Islamists. In Iraq, the Muslim Brotherhood is represented by the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP). Although it draws much of its strength from radicalized Sunnis who hate the occupation, the IIP has shown itself to be the part of the Sunni opposition most willing to cooperate with the US-allied Shi'ite theocrats.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GL01Ak01.html

The law of unintended consequences comes home to roost...

Nbadan
12-10-2005, 04:48 AM
Perhaps the ultimate irony of Bush's war on terrorism is this: while the president asserts that the war in Iraq is the central front in the struggle against what he describes as "Islamofascism", real "Islamofascists" are already in power in Baghdad - and they are, shamefully, America's allies.

The ATimes has always been a fresh breath of truthfullness in a world of media propaganda.

RandomGuy
12-10-2005, 11:24 AM
I would be willing to bet that Rupert Murdoch DOESN'T own them.

They don't seem to like the war in Iraq, and that affects a lot of theri editorial choices, but they do provide a very good outlet for stuff you won't see in the West.

Their coverage of China is particularly good.

gtownspur
12-11-2005, 03:13 AM
Middle East
Dec 1, 2005




What 'staying the course' really means
By Robert Dreyfuss

Nearly three years into the war in Iraq, the Bush administration tells us that it wasn't about weapons of mass destruction or Iraqi ties to al-Qaeda, but about America's holy mission to spread democracy to the benighted regions of the Middle East. However, postwar Iraq is anything but a democracy. In fact, if Iraq manages to avoid all-out civil war, it is likely to end up with a government that is fiercely undemocratic - a Shi'ite theocratic dictatorship that rules by terror, torture, and armed might.

WHat the writer unwillingly knows, is the he starts out with is a telling indictment of liberal thesis of this whole war. It's not that the administration from the get go stated that it's purpose was to get rid of the WMD problem of Iraq, but it was to take away the main threat in the region. The Iraqi govt was at odds with the Israeli's, Saudis, and Iranians. Sadaam Hussien had a monarchy going insuring that his sons will keep his legacy going on past his death. The war on terrorism was not about taking out Osama Bin Laden, and WMD's. The war is about eradicating the terrorist problem by bringing prosperity and western influence to help that region catch up with the rest of the world.

Take for example France, in that situation all liberal scholars agree that it is poverty and not religous influence that is causing the instability. The same goes when the west hears stories about 13 year old Palestinian girls strapping bombs and killing innocents.

You have a liberal diagnosis of the Islamo morale malaise, therefore one brings a solution to fix that problem for which the muslim world is plagued, and through it all with all the efforts by this administration to not make it about religion, even changing battle names as to not offend muslim society, and giving many muslims a new chance to oppurtunities which were never offered, one still gets 3rd rate hack peices from 3rd rate selling authors of how one needs to ignore the solution to the problem they diagnosed and fold.


What President George W Bush has wrought in Iraq is just the latest in a long string of US efforts to make common cause with the Islamic right. But like the Sorcerer's Apprentice, whose naive and inexperienced use of magic blows up in his face, American efforts to play with the forces of political Islam have proved to be dangerous, volatile and often uncontrollable.

THis is a good example of a liberal trying to have it both ways. On one, people will not get away with telling liberals that the main problem with Islam is Islam. They will get shouted down on how we are to blame for raping their resources and how we have taken advantage of them and their poverty, not religion is what enables their ire against us.

But now it seems, the liberals will use the same argument to try to quash any argument of reforming the middle east. "How dare you try to introduce western reform to these savages!". But this alone is not the writers main point. He tells us in this small paragraph that the US will cannot be able to reign in on the political right of Islam. The problem is that the author is naive.

There is hardly no political left in the Islamic world on pure reform. There are a few, like the teenage rebels in Iran, and the buisiness entrepreneurs in Iraq, and Lebanon and some Muslims in name only, as well as many other exceptions. But most of Islamic society sees the west, and democratic reform as an evil influence, and the Israelis as bastard children. In British polls, it was 80% of the muslim population that had some sympathy for the bombers. Where are the progressives here? HOw are we gonna effectively combat terrorism and introduce solutions, if we have denial on our part of how arab street sees the endless intifadas and car bombings in Tel Aviv?


The problem goes far beyond the Shi'ites in Iraq. In the Sunni parts of the country, the power of Islamism is growing, too - and

by this I do not mean the forces associated with al-Qaeda. but the radical-right Muslim Brotherhood, represented there by the Iraqi Islamic Party, and other manifestations of the Salafi and Wahhabi-style religious right.

In Egypt, Syria and elsewhere, the radical religious right is also gaining strength. Meanwhile; sometimes deliberately, sometimes by sheer ignorance and incompetence, the Bush administration is encouraging the spread of political Islam. Were the US to "stay the course," not only Iraq but much of the rest of the Middle East could fall to the Islamic right.

Good observation! I can see now that the author is gaining ground on more sound persepective. YEt he fails to see the direct correllation between the Islamic Right and Alqueda. The islamic right is the IRanian govt, the PA, and the Egyptian right. All of these groups while not directly sponsoring alqueda, fund other terrorist outfits. The Iranians and PAlestinians with hamas and Hezbollah, and the every other national right movement has their own terrorist branch. The islamic right and Alqueda are two of the same beast. While Alqueda seeks unification of the whole middle east. The Islamic right focuses on their own narrow interest and focuses their terrorism on a local level. It is not the Islamic right which wishes to subdue Alqueda, but Alqueda the Islamic right. ALqueda's plan is to unify the factions in the sibling terror groups into one goal. Full war with the west.

The islamic right is far too passive with alqueda, alqueda's goal before 911 has been to unite all the terrorist groups under it's wing. They've been thriving in a situation where there is no order and they can manuever the Islamic factions in the torn country. Alqueda, before 911 had been lending suppport to the Palestinians. THey are gaining strength in that region and even Indonesia. They have more allies than freinds in that region.

The U.S. goal is to speed up the process of Alqueda launching all the terrorist fronts against the west so that the U.S. is the one on the offensive. Being on the defensive would have been a worse nightmare. But right now, we are the ones making changes and feeding the people in that region. We are slowly turning the tide against alqueda in Iraq. Having a civil war would undermine alqueda as much as the US seeing how unification of the peoples in the arab world is crucial to its ultimate objective.

All those regions in the ME hate america, and will form strange alliances at the last minute to combat the common enemy. The Wahhabi style terrorist factions won't blink to join their Shiite rivals in Iran if the Islamic republic is attacked.

Staying the course, according to the president was not going to be an easy picture. To say that victory in a war on terror could be achieved with out casualties is an idiotic statement. The writer knows this and the left know this as well. But their utter disgust towards the presidents policies has narrowed their focus on their own solutions for the middle east. Now the only solution they provide is pullout and surrender. If we pull out of Iraq, whose to say afghanistan won't fall as well?


Does this mean that al-Qaeda-style fanatics will take power? No. Whether in the form of Iraq's Shi'ite theocrats or the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and Egypt, the Islamic right cannot be compared to al-Qaeda. Yet, just as the US Christian right has its abortion clinic bombers, just as the Israeli Jewish right spawned the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin and settler-extremists who kill dozens at Muslim holy sites, the Islamic right provides ideological support and theological justification for more extreme (and, yes, terrorist) offspring.

This is an insulting comparison. The author lost half of his audience here. To say that the religous right justifies abortion clinic bombing rather than just the act of abortion itself, shows how deranged and cynical this author is.

Also to say that Jews kill muslims on their holy sites is idiotic. THe Muslims claim any jewish holy site to be theirs as sort of a child like banter. The jews were the first to worship a mOnotheistic God with them and later the muslims claimed it holy in order to justify the ransacking of it from the jews.


Shi'ite "Islamofascists" rule Iraq
The case of Iraq could not be clearer. In 2002, as Vice President Dick Cheney pushed the White House and the Pentagon inexorably toward war, it was increasingly obvious to experienced Iraq hands that post-Saddam Hussein Iraq would be ruled by its restive Shi'ite majority. It was no less obvious that the dominant force within that Shi'ite majority would be the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, or SCIRI, and a parallel force associated with al-Dawa (The Islamic Call), a 45-year-old Shi'ite underground terrorist party.

From the mid-1990s on, and especially after 2001, the US provided overt and covert assistance to these organizations as part of the effort to force regime change in Iraq. Like Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, with which both worked closely and which had offices in Tehran, SCIRI and Dawa were based in Iran. SCIRI, in fact, was founded in 1982 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and its paramilitary arm, the Badr Brigade, was trained and armed by Iran's Revolutionary Guards. Certainly, to the Bush administration, SCIRI and Dawa were known quantities.

David Phillips, the former adviser to the State Department's war-planning effort and author of Losing Iraq: Inside the Postwar Reconstruction Fiasco, has assured me that, in the run-up to the war, many of his colleagues were well aware that SCIRI-type Islamists, not Chalabi, would inherit post-Saddam Iraq. Other insiders, too, have told me of foreign-policy professionals and Iraq specialists in the US intelligence community who warned (to no avail) that SCIRI would be a major force in Iraq after any invasion. The point is, whether they bothered to pay attention or not, the Bush-Cheney team was informed, well in advance, that by toppling Saddam there was a strong possibility they would be installing a Shi'ite theocracy.

And so at that, we should not reform a region because it'll just be too hard. WE cannot win the WOT without reforming the hotbed of terrorism. And we wont Reform the Hotbed of terrorism "THe Middle East" without obstacles. It's why we need to commit seriously to the idea that we as conservatives and liberals share a common enemy, and not as liberals and islamofascist share the conservative americans as the common enemy. We can only do it right when we as a country are unified. You want to recognize that reformation of this region is crucial, gives us good proactive alternatives. Appeasement is just a default position when you don't really care.


Even though the shiite majority will rule Iraq. That majority will have to deal with beuracracy and wont be effective at whipping it's idealogues into a frenzy against the west. Most of the conflict will now be amongst themselves in figuring out how to rule as a whole. While a democracy in Iraq will not bring A Westernized democracy with a bill of rights, it is a precursor into that type of government. THe difference with the democracy in IRaq and the one in Iran, is that we will be there to guide them.

Today, the unpleasant reality is that 150,000 US troops, who are dying at a rate of about 100 a month, are the Praetorian Guard for that radical-right theocracy. It is a regime that sponsors Shi'ite-led death squads carrying out assassinations from Basra (where freelance reporter Steven Vincent, himself murdered by such a unit, wrote that "hundreds" of former Ba'athists, secular leaders and Sunnis were being killed every month) to Baghdad. Scores of bodies of Sunnis regularly turn up shot to death, execution-style.

The latest revelation is that SCIRI's Badr Brigade, now a 20,000-strong militia, operated a secret torture prison in Baghdad holding hundreds of Sunni detainees. There, prisoners had their skin flayed off, electric shocks applied to their genitals, or power drills driven into their bones. SCIRI and Dawa are the senior partners in an Iraqi government which has imposed a unilateralist constitution on the country that elevates the power of the Shi'ite-dominated provinces and enshrines their vision of Islam in the body politic.

Two weeks ago, during his visit to Washington, DC, I asked Adel Abdul Mahdi, a top SCIRI official and Iraq's deputy president, about the charges of death squads and brutality. "All of the terrorists are on the other side," he sniffed. "What you refer to is a reaction to that."

Wow, did this writer have a clue about the cycles of a democratic nation. Not too long ago, a half of this country was controlled by a night brigade in White Cloth, the KKK. We also had a civil war that was the bloodiest conflict america had ever seen, and yet we still hold as a democracy.

The middle east is screwed up, that is correct. But one has to expect there to be atrocities. These people are brand new to this freedom concept. THis will not be the end of atrocities. There will be more. But in a democracy, the theory goes, that it will eventually liberalize itself once it slowly deals with dissent amongst themselves. This is not a reason why we should pull out, but a reason why we more than ever need more support and a new plan on how to deal with the new movements in Iraq.


Perhaps the ultimate irony of Bush's war on terrorism is this: while the president asserts that the war in Iraq is the central front in the struggle against what he describes as "Islamofascism", real "Islamofascists" are already in power in Baghdad - and they are, shamefully, America's allies.

Of course, among the Iraqi opposition, too, the Islamic right is growing. The forces of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaeda in Iraq have gained some limited support from Iraqis, and Zarqawi is using the war to rally support from jihadis throughout the region.

More broadly, the US occupation is pushing ever larger numbers of Sunni Arabs toward support for Islamists. In Iraq, the Muslim Brotherhood is represented by the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP). Although it draws much of its strength from radicalized Sunnis who hate the occupation, the IIP has shown itself to be the part of the Sunni opposition most willing to cooperate with the US-allied Shi'ite theocrats.

It has, from time to time, taken part in the various interim governments that the US has set up in post-war Iraq; and, in October, the IIP endorsed the ersatz Iraqi constitution, setting itself apart from the vast majority of Iraq's Sunnis. (For that, its headquarters in Baghdad was attacked by the resistance, and many of its offices around the country were blown up or assaulted.)

Still, the growth of the IIP and other similar manifestations of the Islamic right among Iraq's Sunnis has encouraged some Shi'ite theocrats to envision a Sunni-Shi'ite Islamist partnership in the country. However unlikely that may be, given the passions that have already been inflamed, the growth of the radical right among Sunnis cannot possibly be a good thing for Iraq, for the region, or for US interests.

Syria: The Muslim Brotherhood waits
Now, consider the broader issue of Bush's supposed push for regional democracy. That effort, it should be noted, is being coordinated under the know-nothing supervision of none other than Elizabeth Cheney, the vice president's daughter. She is currently the principal deputy assistant secretary of state for Near East affairs and is charged with the task of democracy-building in the "Greater Middle East".

Undeterred by the failure of the US experiment in installing democracy in Iraq, next on the chopping block - that is, next to receive the benefits of US-imposed democracy - is Syria. That small, oil-poor, militarily weak state is, at the moment, feeling the full force of Bush administration pressure. Its army and security forces have been driven out of Lebanon, at the risk of sparking civil war in that country again.

The country has been targeted by the Syrian Accountability Act (reminiscent of the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act) and hit with related US economic sanctions. It has been accused, by John Bolton and other neo-conservatives, of maintaining a weapons-of-mass-destruction program far beyond the very limited chemical arms it probably possesses. It is accused, by many US officials, including the US ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, of sponsoring the resistance fighters in Iraq - though there is nearly zero evidence that it is doing so. Liz Cheney and other top US officials are already meeting with Chalabi-like Syrian exile leaders to plot "regime change".

As in Iraq, where Islamic fundamentalist Shi'ites stepped in to fill the vacuum, so in Syria the most likely power waiting in the wings to replace the government of President Bashar Assad is not some group of Syrian secular democrats and nationalists but Syria's Muslim Brotherhood.

The Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928, is an underground secret society with a long history of terrorism and the use of assassination. With financial and organizational help from Saudi Arabia's Wahhabi establishment, the Brotherhood has spread to every corner of the Muslim world.

Although it now officially eschews violence, in recent years it has given succor to, and even spawned, far more radical versions of itself. One of its chief theoreticians, Sayyid Qutb, created the theological justification for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda. Even today, the Brotherhood and al-Qaeda are at least fellow travelers. It is far from clear how to draw the line between the Muslim Brotherhood and other forces of "conservative" political Islam and those associated with radical-right, violence-prone Islamists. Certainly, many experienced US diplomats and intelligence officers disagree about where one stops and the other starts.

Because Syria - with a mostly Sunni population (though, as in Iraq, highly complex with a rich mix of minorities) - is a closed society, it is impossible to say just how powerful the Muslim Brotherhood is there. But with an exile leadership in London and other cities in Western Europe, with a network of supporters among the Sunni Arab petit bourgeoisie, and with power centers in a string of cities from Damascus to Homs, Hama, and Aleppo, it is widely considered a major player in future Syrian politics.

Recently, the Brotherhood joined with secular intellectuals and others in an ad hoc, anti-Assad coalition, but the rest of the coalition has few forces on the ground. Only the Brotherhood has "troops". In that, this coalition is reminiscent of the one that formed in 1978 to overthrow the Shah of Iran. After the Shah's fall, Khomeini's gang picked off its erstwhile allies one by one - the communists, the National Front (the remnant of the nationalist forces associated with prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh in the 1950s), the intellectuals, and finally the moderate Islamists such as president Abolhassan Bani-Sadr - to establish the authoritarian theocracy that is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

It cannot be that the Bush administration is unaware of the power of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. Rather, they evidently simply don't care. Their enmity for the Assad government is so all-powerful that, as in Iraq, they evidently are willing to risk an Islamist regime. How can it be that Mr War on Terrorism blithely condones one Islamic extremist regime in Baghdad and courts another in Damascus?

History shows that there is precedent. In the 1970s and early 1980s, two US allies - Israel and Jordan - actively supported the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood in a bloody civil war against the government of president Hafez Assad, Bashar's father. The Israeli and Jordanian-sponsored terrorists killed hundreds of Syrians, exploded car bombs and assassinated Soviet diplomats and military personnel in Syrian cities.

All of this was known to the US at the time - and viewed benignly. The Syrian civil war came to a brutal end when Rifaat Assad, the president's brother, led elite units of the military into Hama, where the Muslim Brotherhood had seized power and where hundreds of Syrian government officials had been dragged from their offices and murdered. Rifaat Assad carried out a massive repression in which many thousands died. Yet the forces of the Brotherhood recovered, and today the Bush administration seems content to squeeze the brittle Assad government until it collapses, even if it means that the Muslim Brotherhood takes power.

Middle Eastern dominos?
Aficionados of the Cold War domino theory often suggested that communism, allowed to topple a single state, would then be able topple country after country; that if communism was victorious in South Vietnam, then Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines and other distant lands would follow. That may have been silly, but in the Middle East a domino theory might actually have some application.

At the very least, it is important to understand that the Muslim Brotherhood is a supranational force, not simply a country-by-country phenomenon. From Algeria to Pakistan, its leaders know each other, talk to each other and work together. In addition, the virulent force of religious fanaticism, fed by anger, bitterness, and despair, knows no national boundaries.

Egypt, the anchor of the Arab world and by far its most populous country, is threatened with a Muslim Brotherhood-style regime. Virtually all observers of Egyptian politics agree that the Muslim Brotherhood is the chief opposition party in Egypt. Mere prudence suggests that the US should not press Egypt too hard for democracy and free elections, given how difficult it is to transition from an authoritarian state to a democratic one. Moreover, it is arguably none of America's business what sort of government Egypt has. The very idea that democracy is the antidote for terrorism has been proven false, most authoritatively by F Gregory Gause in his essay, "Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?" in the September/October issue of Foreign Affairs magazine.

Yet the Bush administration is pushing hard for its brand of democracy. Two weeks ago, at a regional forum in the Gulf, Egyptian officials bluntly rebuffed the imperial US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who seemed stunned that the government in Cairo did not want meddlers from the National Endowment for Democracy, USAID and other agencies pouring money into Egyptian opposition groups.

President Hosni Mubarak, a long-time American ally, was considered indispensable by a succession of administrations during the Cold War. A fierce anti-communist who kept the peace with Israel and helped the US in its anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and again in the 1991 Gulf War, is now regularly denounced as a dictator by the likes of Newt Gingrich and Richard Perle.

Because of Egypt's history as an ally, no Bush administration official (and not even many neo-cons) dare say that they want "regime change" in Cairo, but that is precisely what they do want, and many of them may be willing to risk the creation of a Muslim Brotherhood-style regime to get it. Reuel Marc Gerecht, a leading neo-conservative strategist and former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer who is now a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, wrote the following in his book The Islamic Paradox, comparing Khomeini favorably to Mubarak:
"Khomeini submitted the idea of an Islamic republic to an up-or-down popular vote in 1979, and regular elections with some element of competition are morally essential to the regime's conception of its own legitimacy, something not at all the case with President Hosni Mubarak's dictatorship in Egypt ... Anti-Americanism is the common denominator of the Arab states with "pro-American" dictators. By comparison, Iran is a profoundly pro-American country.
True, Mubarak rigs Egyptian elections, but in recent parliamentary elections, the Muslim Brotherhood still showed tremendous strength. With a third round of elections still to go, it is on track to win up to a quarter of the seats in the new national assembly.

Gerecht isn't worried: "It is certainly possible," he writes, "that fundamentalists, if they gained power in Egypt, would try to end representative government ... But the United States would still be better off with this alternative than with a secular dictatorship."

In the 1950s, British intelligence and the CIA worked with the Muslim Brothers against Gamal Abdel Nasser, the founder of modern Arab nationalism. Said Ramadan, the son-in-law of Muslim Brotherhood founder, Hassan al-Banna, who set up the organization's global nerve center in Geneva, Switzerland, was a CIA agent. Twice, in 1954 and in 1965, the Brotherhood tried to assassinate Nasser. From this period to the present, the Brotherhood has received financial support from the ultra-right Saudi establishment.

A formula for endless war
Iraq, Syria and Egypt are not the only places threatened by fundamentalism. In recent Palestinian elections, Hamas - the official branch of the Muslim Brotherhood there - has shown remarkable strength, threatening to undo the Palestinian Authority's accomplishments and wreck any chance of a Palestinian-Israeli accord.

Ironically, a great deal of Hamas' present power exists only because of the support offered its founders by the Israeli military authorities in decades past. From the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 well into the 1980s, Israel supported the growth of Hamas-style Islamism as a counterweight to the nationalists in the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Ahmed Yassin, Hamas' founder, was backed by Israel during those years, as his followers clashed with PLO supporters in Gaza and the West Bank. Too late, Israel recognized that it had created a monster and began to wage war on Hamas, including assassinating Yassin.

From Israel and Palestine to Egypt, Syria, Iraq and beyond - in Algeria, Sudan, the Gulf states, Pakistan and even Saudi Arabia - the region is beset by Islamist movements. The right way to combat this upsurge is not through military action or a Bush administration-style "war on terrorism". That, as many observers have pointed out, is likely to further fuel the growth of such movements, not subdue them.

Only if the temperature is lowered throughout the region might the momentum of the Islamic right be slowed and, someday, reversed. Unfortunately, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have raised that temperature to the boiling point. So has the long-term American military build-up in the Persian Gulf and Central Asia.

So have the proclamations from Bush and Co about a nonsensical "World War IV" against "Islamofascism". So has the Israeli policy of expanding settlements and building a giant barrier that virtually annexes huge swaths of the West Bank for greater Israel. All of these policies cause Islamist sympathies to grow - and out of them bubble recruits not only for organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood, but for al-Qaeda-style terrorist groups.

The Bush administration has put into operation an utterly paradoxical and self-defeating strategy. First, its policies inflame the region, feeding the growth of political Islam and its extremist as well as terrorist offshoots. Then, as in Iraq - and as seems to be the case in Syria and Egypt - it seeks "regime change" in countries where it knows that the chief opposition and likely inheritor of power will be the Muslim Brotherhood or its ilk. This is a formula for endless war in the region.


Robert Dreyfuss is the author of Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam. He covers national security for Rolling Stone and writes frequently for The American Prospect, Mother Jones, and the Nation. He is also a regular contributor to TomPaine.com, the Huffington Post, and other sites, and writes the blog, "The Dreyfuss Report," at his web site.
To order a copy of Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam, click here.

(Copyright 2005 Robert Dreyfuss)

(Used by permission from Tomdispatch)


I will post more on this article another time......right now i'm sleepy.

RandomGuy
12-11-2005, 10:58 AM
WHat the writer unwillingly knows, is the he starts out with is a telling indictment of liberal thesis of this whole war. It's not that the administration from the get go stated that it's purpose was to get rid of the WMD problem of Iraq, but it was to take away the main threat in the region.


The conservative attack machine has started in on Barbara Boxer because she had the temerity to call them on their hypocrisy. What are they trying to nail her for? Claiming that the congressional resolution authorizing the use of force was "about WMD, period". What are they saying? It was all about "the liberation of Iraq", and that her claim is baseless. I read the thing, and Boxer is very much correct. "weapons of mass destruction" is mentioned *just a little* in the preamble that summarizes the reasoning for the resolution.
Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002)
Whereas ....Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs ... ....Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program ... and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program ...
Whereas Iraq... attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's , weapons of mass destruction stockpiles , and development capabilities...
Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security...
Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States ...by... continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability , actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability ...
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people..
Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction , by international terrorist organizations... Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use , weapons of mass destruction ...
Whereas [UN] Resolution 660 [calls for] Iraq to cease... the development of, weapons of mass destruction ...
Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of , weapons of mass destruction ...

ANYBODY SEE A RECURRING THEME...? Sigh. The administration spin on this stuff is really shameless.


:spin :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin

xrayzebra
12-11-2005, 11:42 AM
^^^^ This was a Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002). Was it not? Not a Bush Administration Resolution. Both houses
had a 96 page intelligence briefing. Gee, who is spinning? I guess you blame
everyone else for your actions too.

boutons
12-11-2005, 04:11 PM
In the same vein:



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gtownspur
12-13-2005, 04:51 AM
^^^^ This was a Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002). Was it not? Not a Bush Administration Resolution. Both houses
had a 96 page intelligence briefing. Gee, who is spinning? I guess you blame
everyone else for your actions too.


That's what happens when you flunk community college U.S. Government.

Ocotillo
12-13-2005, 08:28 AM
^^^^ This was a Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002). Was it not? Not a Bush Administration Resolution. Both houses
had a 96 page intelligence briefing. Gee, who is spinning? I guess you blame
everyone else for your actions too.

So it has come to this. It's the Democrats fault because they believed the President. Those dumb asses should have know they were being lied to. :lol

Only in Republican America. :drunk

RandomGuy
12-13-2005, 09:31 AM
^^^^ This was a Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002). Was it not? Not a Bush Administration Resolution. Both houses
had a 96 page intelligence briefing. Gee, who is spinning? I guess you blame
everyone else for your actions too.


So the Bush administration had nothing to do with this resolution whatsoever? Is that what you are tying to say?

Extra Stout
12-13-2005, 09:40 AM
So it has come to this. It's the Democrats fault because they believed the President. Those dumb asses should have know they were being lied to. :lol

Only in Republican America. :drunk

I understand that the Congress had access to the same intelligence as the White House, with the caveats and disclaimers. The White House had its own interpretation and shared it, but Congressmen had the opportunity to come to their own conclusions.

Maybe some of them agreed with the President's conclusion. Maybe some were too lazy to review the intelligence themselves and just accepted the President's conclusion. Maybe some of them lack the mental capacity to make their own conclusions and simply had to go along with what the President said. Maybe some reviewed the intelligence and had their doubts, but decided it would be too risky politically to go against the President when he had 80% approval ratings and there were midterm elections pending.

But it's dishonest to claim they were duped.

Nbadan
12-14-2005, 02:19 AM
I understand that the Congress had access to the same intelligence as the White House, with the caveats and disclaimers.

Those are some mighty big caveats and disclaimers.

:lol

However, as I posted in the Sins of John Edward thread last week, the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee, at the very least, should have known that the NeoCon cause for invasion of Iraq was based on dubious intelligence. Blame the Democratic leaders who went along with the war resolution, not all Democrats.

xrayzebra
12-14-2005, 10:09 AM
You know I wonder why you don't worry about the Muslims like you worry about
the Republicans. Those folks (Muslims) want you dead, but that doesn't seem to
worry you. Bush and his administration is not your enemy. It is the other guys, you
know, the ones who would cut your head off in a New York Min. that are your
enemies.