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Hook Dem
08-13-2004, 06:35 PM
... Moore goes to great lengths in an attempt to show
that President Bush didn't know what to do when he first found
out that America was under attack on 9/11. Moore shows footage
of the President sitting in a Florida classroom for seven
minutes after an aid told him about the World Trade Center
attacks. Moore makes the President look incompetent and
confused.

It's a Moore mislead. Moore manipulated the video footage and
ignored the facts.
+ + Kerry attacks Bush for the 7-minute delay

A few days ago, Sen. John Kerry read from the Moore playbook
in criticizing President Bush for the supposed 7-minute delay.
Here is what Kerry said:

Had I been reading to children and had my top aide
whispered in my ear, 'America is under attack,' I would have
told those kids very politely and nicely that the President of
the United States had something that he needed to attend
to -- and I would have attended to it.

+ + What Did Kerry Actually Do On 9/11?

Before we go on, we want to state that we disagree with Michael
Moore's analysis of the supposed "7-minute delay." We also
disagree with leaders like Sen. Kerry making this an issue.
Events were unfolding quickly and there was much confusion
in those first moments.

That said, it is important to point out the hypocrisy of
Sen. Kerry by looking at what Kerry himself did at that
same moment in time.

Here is Sen. Kerry's explanation of what he was doing when
the first attacks came (see link below to the full transcript):

KERRY: I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting --
we'd just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's
office, looking out at the Capitol. And as I came in, Barbara
Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched
the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly
thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized
nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw
the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came
from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to
evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation.

+ + Kerry: "Nobody Could Think"

For the record, it was about 40 minutes between the when the
second tower was hit and when the Pentagon was hit. For 40
minutes, Sen. John Kerry, a sitting member of the Senate
Intelligence Committee, sat in a room with Senate Leader
Tom Daschle.

In Kerry's own words, "nobody could think."

Sen. Kerry sat in a very vulnerable place on Capitol Hill for
40 minutes after the second tower was hit. What did he mean when
he said, "nobody could think"? Perhaps the chaos and confusion
of the moment meant that a group of top leaders in the Senate
really did not know what to do! So they sat in a vulnerable
Senate office, exposed to attack. Apparently, Kerry and others
did not yet realize that America was at war.

When did Kerry know America was at war?

Again, in Sen. Kerry's own words:

And as we went out of the building, my immediate feeling
was, we're at war. I mean, that was the sense, that we are
under attack. People are attacking the United States of
America and we needed to respond.

So, more than 45 minutes after the second tower was hit, as
Sen. Kerry was evacuating the Capitol, his "immediate feeling"
was that America was "at war." In his own words, it took
Sen. Kerry 45 minutes to come to this conclusion.

Joe Chalupa
08-13-2004, 06:43 PM
Who was Commander in Chief at the time?
Who was sitting in a quite classroom?

I'm just being sarcastic. It is not big deal to me.

Maybe Dubya just needed Moore time to gather his thoughts.

Hook Dem
08-13-2004, 06:47 PM
Nice dancing around the point Joe! Now address the 7 minutes compared to the 45 minutes.:lol

Joe Chalupa
08-13-2004, 07:01 PM
I'm not dancing around the issue.
Dubya was in a quite room while Kerry was "keeping it real".

And Dubya was Commander in Chief..no?

:p

Hook Dem
08-13-2004, 07:11 PM
Well, it was Kerry criticizing Bush for the 7 minutes and he"didn't know what to do"? Man shouldn't be criticizing anyone when he hangs himself with his own mouth.Agreed?

Joe Chalupa
08-13-2004, 07:27 PM
Totally different, IMO.

I wonder what Tom Delay thinks?

mstexmex
08-13-2004, 07:43 PM
good grief!!
Different circumstances. It is sheer stupidity to even compare the two. What do you want Kerry to do, rally the fucking troops? That is not his job nor did he have the authority to do that. It was the president's job or Cheney's job or even Powells job.
talk about grasping at straws.
As much as I hate Bush, the seven minute silence is a difficult thing to ridicule. No one truly knows how anyone is going to react in that situation. He did have a deer in the headlights look but he had just heard some devastating news. It looked like he was scared shitless, a sort of silent panic. That's how I interpreted that scene. Which unfortunately for Bush made him look incompetent in the eyes of many people.

Bandit2981
08-13-2004, 07:44 PM
a senator and commander in chief are 2 different positions hook...but, we all know what Dubya was thinking: "ok, who screwed me over?" :spin

Ruby Ridge
08-13-2004, 08:54 PM
Not only did Bush sit there in a puddle of his own pee for seven minutes, he then spent another 20 minutes doing a photo op afterwards.

I take Kerry's statement for what it is, he and some other Senators go in for a meeting on legislative matters and could not focus on the subject matter at hand because of what had happened.

Different circumstances entirely. One guy is Commander in Chief who's job it is to react to this and get busy. The other is a senator meeting with colleagues about a mundane legislative issue. What was Kerry to do? Call the Air Force? It's not his job. That belongs to the coward who likes to strut around in flight suits for photo ops.

SpursWoman
08-13-2004, 09:17 PM
I think anyone criticizing the President for those 7 minutes needs to get a fucking life...if you just can't stand not to bitch about something, find something relevant.

In the whole scheme of things, was 7 minutes going to change the outcome of what happened? From where I was watching, things were pretty much well underway.

What was he supposed to to? Freak out and scare the shit out of a bunch of little kids?

I really don't think it's that much of a stretch that when told of something like that that the severity might just take a minute to sink in.

I was sitting in the dentist chair and was listening when they broke in with the details. My immediate reaction was to crack bad jokes about someone being pissed at their stock broker because of flailing investments (in an already-getting-shitty-economy) .. and drove their little crop duster into the building. Took a few minutes and a little more details to realize that was not the case.

Joe Chalupa
08-13-2004, 09:33 PM
Well, I didn't bring this crap up.

I was just going on with my life. 8)

Kerry didn't bring it up either.
He was asked a question and he answered it.

SpursWoman
08-13-2004, 09:46 PM
That was more directed at Moore than anyone. I hate that nasty bastard.


AND IF HE WERE A REPUBLICAN I'D HATE HIM EVEN MORE.

Joe Chalupa
08-13-2004, 09:55 PM
I agree. For someone so bright, he sure can be an idiot.

Tommy Duncan
08-14-2004, 12:31 AM
Obviously Bush was waiting for his orders from the Saudi Royal Family and the Illuminati. The US Government was caught with its pants down and if it happened a year earlier then it would have been Clinton sitting there holding his cock (figuratively and literally, most likely).

It was clear that there were breakdowns in procedure throughout the air defense system here in the US, namely that the military was not informed in a prompt manner about the hijackings. The window for any potential shootdowns was small, at best. Perhaps Flight 93 and by that time Bush was long gone from the classroom. And of course it was never assumed throughout the system that hijackings would end in the use of the plane itself as a weapon.

Talking about Bush sitting in his pee or whatever is the stuff of mindless Bush haters. If I want to read that drivel I can go to a bookstore and read works that should be entitled I Really, Really, Really Hate George W. Bush (or how I made a few hundred grand writing this book for nutjobs).

If you want to read a book that lays out the failures throughout the system then buy a copy of The 9/11 Commission Report, or better yet, get it absolutely free here (http://www.9-11commission.gov/).

Ruby Ridge
08-16-2004, 09:51 AM
*sniff sniff* Don't criticize our president or else you are nothing but a hater. :rolleyes

Meanwhile, speaking of hating, let's take a shot at Clinton. Get a life conservative whiners.

SpursWoman
08-16-2004, 10:14 AM
Criticizing about his economic plans or you're disagreement about the war in Iraq is one thing.

Criticizing those 7 minutes is petty, ridiculous and irrelevant. Ya'll bitch just to hear yourselves bitch. Slow news day?

Tommy Duncan
08-16-2004, 11:02 AM
Yes, "get a life." You should heed your own advice.

Spurminator
08-16-2004, 11:05 AM
I hear that Bush has aides apply makeup before he appears on camera. Shocking!

SpursWoman
08-16-2004, 11:40 AM
I also hear that he replaces the toilet paper from the underside. Despicable bastard.

Hook Dem
08-16-2004, 11:44 AM
It is funny how everyone has danced around the point here! Kerry criticized Bush for those 7 minutes saying,"I would have told those children that I had some important business to attend to." I know that he was not in a position to call up the troops as you suggest, but that is not the point. He admitted that "no one knew what to do". Reasonable analogy? I think so. Joe says,"Kerry didn't bring this up". Yes, he did. Quit avoiding the obvious!

SpursWoman
08-16-2004, 11:49 AM
And FYI, had it been Clinton in that position or--God forbid--Gore, it would have been just as irrelevant. I probably would have applauded him for keeping his composure and finishing his business with the children.

It's a non-issue. If he'd waited a week, maybe. But 7 minutes? Please.

Hook Dem
08-16-2004, 11:58 AM
Democrats can't see beyond their agenda! Thanks SW!