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Yonivore
12-16-2005, 09:09 PM
Victor Davis Hanson...very good read:

Lancing the Boil (http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson121605PF.html)


We quietly keep on killing terrorists, promoting elections in Iraq, pressuring Arab autocracies to democratize, and growing the economy.

For some time, a large number of Americans have lived in an alternate universe where everything is supposedly going to hell. If you get up in the morning to read the New York Times or Washington Post, watch John Murtha or Howard Dean on the morning talk shows, listen to National Public Radio at noon, and go to bed reading Newsweek it surely seems that the administration is incommunicado (cf. “the bubble”), the war is lost (“unwinnable”), the Great Depression is back (“jobless recovery”), and America about as popular as Nazi Germany abroad (“alone and isolated”).

But in the real adult world, the economy is red-hot, not mired in joblessness or relegating millions to poverty. Unemployment is low, so are interest rates. Growth is high, as is consumer spending and confidence. Our Katrina was hardly as lethal as the Tsunami or Pakistani earthquake. Thousands of Arabs are not rioting in Dearborn. American elderly don’t roast and die in the thousands in their apartments as was true in France. Nor do American cities, like some in Chinese, lose their entire water supply to a toxic spill. Americans did not just vote to reject their own Constitution as in some European countries.

The military isn’t broken. Unlike after Vietnam when the Russians, Iranians, Cambodians, and Nicaraguans all soon tried to press their luck at our expense, most of our adversaries don’t believe the U.S. military is losing in Iraq, much less that it is wise now to take it on. Instead, the general impression is that our veteran and battle-hardened forces are even more lethal than was true of the 1990s — and engaging successfully in an almost impossible war.

Nor are we creating new hordes of terrorists in Iraq — as if a young male Middle Eastern fundamentalist first hates the United States only on news that it is in Iraq crafting a new Marshall Plan of $87 billion and offering a long-oppressed people democracy after taking out Saddam Hussein. Even al Jazeera cannot turn truth into untruth forever.

Instead, the apprentice jihadist is trying to win his certification as master terrorist by trying his luck against the U.S. Marines abroad rather than on another World Trade Center at home — and failing quite unlike September 11.

Like it or not, wars are usually won or lost when one side feels its losses are too high to continue. We have suffered terribly in losing 2,100 dead in Iraq; a vastly smaller enemy in contrast may have experienced tens of thousands of terrorists killed, and is finding its safe havens and money drying up. Panic about Iraq abounds in both the American media and the periodic fatwas of Dr. Zawahiri — but not in the U. S. government or armed forces.

The world does not hate the United States. Of course, it envies us. Precisely because it is privately impressed by our unparalleled success, it judges America by a utopian measure in which anything less than perfection is written off as failure. We risk everything, our critics abroad almost nothing. So the hope for our failures naturally gives reinforcement to the bleak reality of their inaction.

The Europeans expect our protection. The Mexicans risk their lives to get here. Indians and Japanese want closer relations. The old commonwealth appreciates our strength in defense of the West. Even the hostile Iranians, North Koreans, Cubans, Venezuelans, Chinese, and radical Islamists — despite the saber-rattling rhetoric — wonder whether we are naïve and idealistic rather than cruel and calculating. All this we rarely consider when we read of anti-Americanism in our major newspapers or hear another angry (and usually well-off) professor or journalist recite our sins.

Al Zarqawi is in a classical paradox: He can’t defeat the American or Iraqi security forces or stop the elections. So he must dream up ever more macabre violence to gain notoriety — from beheading Americans on the television to mass murdering Shiites to blowing up third-party Jordanians. But such lashing out only further weakens his cause and makes the efforts of his enemies on the battlefield easier, as his Sunni base starts to see that this psychopath really can take his supporters all down with him.

The Palestine problem is not even worse off after Iraq. Actually, it is far better with the isolated and disgraced Arafat gone, the fence slowly inching ahead, the worst radical Islamic terrorists on the West Bank in paradise, Israel out of Gaza, and the world gradually accepting its diplomatic presence. The real hopeless mess was 1992-2000 when a well-meaning Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, and Dennis Ross still deluded themselves that a criminal gang leader like Yasser Arafat was a legitimate head of state or that you could start to end an endless war by giving his thugs thousands of M-16s.

The European way is not the answer, as we see from the farcical negotiations over Iran’s time bomb. Struggling with a small military, unsustainable entitlement promises, little real economic growth, high unemployment, falling birth rates, angry unassimilated minorities, and a suicidal policy of estrangement from its benefactor the United States, Europeans show already an 11th-hour change of heart as we see in the Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, and soon in France.

Europe’s policy about Iran’s nuclear program can best be summed up as “Hurry up, sane and Western Israel, and take out this awful thing — so we can damn you Zionist aggressors for doing so in our morning papers.”

The administration did not prove nearly as inept in the Iraqi reconstruction as the rhetoric of its opposition was empty. The government’s chief lapse was not claiming the moral high ground for a necessary war against a fascist mass murderer — an inexplicable silence now largely addressed by George Bush’s new muscular public defense of the war. In contrast, we can sadly recall all the alternative advice of past critics across the spectrum: invade Iraq in 1998, but get out right now; trisect Iraq; attack Syria or Iran; retreat to the Shiite south; put in hundreds of thousands of more troops; or delay the elections.

Donald Rumsfeld’s supposed gaffe of evoking “Old Europe” is trumped tenfold and almost daily by slurs such as Abu Ghraib as worse than Saddam, Guantanamo as the work of Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot, Bush as the world’s greatest terrorist, the effort to democratize Iraq as unwinnable, and American troops terrorizing Iraqi women and children.

Most Americans may grumble after reading the latest demonization in the press of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, but they are hardly ready to turn over a complex Middle East to something like a President John Kerry, Vice President Barbara Boxer, Secretary of State Howard Dean, National Security Advisor Nancy Pelosi, and Secretary of Defense John Murtha — with a kitchen cabinet of Jimmy Carter and Sandy Berger.

So at year’s end, what then is happening at home and abroad?

For the last three years we have seen a carbuncle swell as the old Vietnam War opposition rematerialized, with Michael Moore, the Hollywood elite, and Cindy Sheehan scaring the daylights out of the Democratic establishment that either pandered to or triangulated around their crazy rhetoric. The size of the Islamicist/Baathist insurrection caught the United States for a time off guard, as was true also of the sudden vehement slurs from our erstwhile allies in Europe, Canada, and Asia. Few anticipated that the turmoil Iraq would force the Syrians out of Lebanon, the Libyans to give up their WMDs, and the Egyptians to hold elections — and that all the killing, acrimony, and furor over these developments would begin to engulf the Middle East and threaten the old order.

In the face of that growing ulcer of discontent, we quietly kept on killing terrorists, promoting elections in Iraq, pressuring Arab autocracies to democratize, and growing the economy. All that is finally lancing the boil, here and abroad — and what was in there all along is now slowly oozing out, making the cure seem almost as gross as the malady.

boutons
12-16-2005, 09:35 PM
wow, this motherfucker pushes every right-wing button that the red-staters love to knee-jerk to. Absolute putrid propaganda, typical bullshit from the right, trying to sell a pile of shit.

There is no boil. The virulent septicemia has been running throught the Repub administration since these motherfuckers came to power.

Opposition to the Repugs and the mess they've made of the USA, of the USA's standing in the world, and to the gawdawful mess of lying and incomptence in Iraq is widely established and growing.

If the Iraqis overcome enormous odds and establish a functioning, stable democracy, it will be all credit to the Iraqis themselves, and none to the Repugs, as the Repug's mismanaged, under-manned 160K military and $6B/week money are incapable of assuring public security in the face of only 10K - 20K effectively infinitely renewable insurgents.

xrayzebra
12-16-2005, 09:40 PM
wow, this motherfucker pushes every right-wing button that the red-staters love to knee-jerk to. Absolute putrid propaganda, typical bullshit from the right, trying to sell a pile of shit.

There is no boil. The virulent septicemia has been running throught the Repub administration since these motherfuckers came to power.

Opposition to the Repugs and the mess they've made of the USA, of the USA's standing in the world, and to the gawdawful mess of lying and incomptence in Iraq is widely established and growing.

If the Iraqis overcome enormous odds and establish a functioning, stable democracy, it will be all credit to the Iraqis themselves, and none to the Repugs, as the Repug's mismanaged, under-manned 160K military and $6B/week money are incapable of assuring public security in the face of only 10K - 20K effectively infinitely renewable insurgents.

All said with best of the English language. And all said in the best of
the left wing. One thing I have to say to you, you never change your
message. Obviously you never read or read anything other than the
left wing media. You are the epitome of someone who has no idea of
what he is talking about.

SA210
12-16-2005, 09:42 PM
All said with best of the English language. And all said in the best of
the left wing. One thing I have to say to you, you never change your
message. Obviously you never read or read anything other than the
left wing media. You are the epitome of someone who has no idea of
what he is talking about.
From someone who said "there are no cuts in government programs". :rolleyes

xrayzebra
12-16-2005, 10:02 PM
From someone who said "there are no cuts in government programs". :rolleyes

There aren't! Give me some dollar figures. Not all the little articles
that say they are.

SA210
12-16-2005, 10:42 PM
There aren't! Give me some dollar figures. Not all the little articles
that say they are.
:lmao

Because what are articles anyway, right :lol what a moron. The dollar figures are in the articles. You don't call them "cuts" but yet they are cutting the funds for the programs. Hmmm... u make alot of sense. What crap.

Nbadan
12-17-2005, 01:00 AM
I can 'appear' to my friends to be improving my standard of living by spending all my credit on my credit cards too, but once the bills come due, unlike the government, I don't have the privilege of taking out even more credit cards.

Increasing government spending to expand the economy underlies the true weakness in the private sector, despite the tax cuts.

Yonivore
12-17-2005, 08:38 AM
:lmao

Because what are articles anyway, right :lol what a moron. The dollar figures are in the articles. You don't call them "cuts" but yet they are cutting the funds for the programs. Hmmm... u make alot of sense. What crap.
The rate of spending growth has been cut but, no program is receiving less today than it was in 2000. None.

Democrats are fond of calling reductions in budget increases cuts. They ask for an impossible increase in some pet project and when the increase is passed at a more reasonable level they call it a cut.

Show me where a program has actually been cut -- where the budgeted amount is less today than it was last year.

JoeChalupa
12-17-2005, 08:59 AM
Damn you guys sure know how to spin shit.

Yonivore
12-17-2005, 09:11 AM
Damn you guys sure know how to spin shit.
If you me me, Joe, I'd simply ask you to point to a government program that has experienced an actual budget reduction during Bush's term in office.

If you mean the Democrats...no shit!

JoeChalupa
12-17-2005, 09:42 AM
What I mean is that both parties spin shit to their liking.
The term "cuts" isn't the right word to use sometimes. Using the word "imminent" can sure get people's panties in a wad.."mushroom cloud" cause people to get scarred too.

I'll have to do some research and get back to you.

Yonivore
12-17-2005, 09:46 AM
What I mean is that both parties spin shit to their liking.
The term "cuts" isn't the right word to use sometimes. Using the word "imminent" can sure get people's panties in a wad.."mushroom cloud" cause people to get scarred too.

I'll have to do some research and get back to you.
I look forward to it.

SA210
12-17-2005, 12:05 PM
The rate of spending growth has been cut but, no program is receiving less today than it was in 2000. None.

Democrats are fond of calling reductions in budget increases cuts. They ask for an impossible increase in some pet project and when the increase is passed at a more reasonable level they call it a cut.

Show me where a program has actually been cut -- where the budgeted amount is less today than it was last year.
Your ridiculous. 300,000 families getting their foodstamps taken away is not cuts? Ending the Hope VI program is not cuts? Reducing funding for Section 8 is not cuts? Demolishing public housing and Not replacing them is Not cuts?

Yea, put your own spin on it, however u see fit. Whether u want to call them cuts or not, it's a reduction, a major reduction and it's critical to the ppl who need it. Stop spinning. Your starting to sound as idiotic as Xray and Gtown.

SA210
12-17-2005, 12:52 PM
^^^ nuff said?