The last two teams with 22-3 start... do you know what happend? [Archive]

SuperMan

12-26-2005, 12:54 PM

TheWriter

12-26-2005, 12:57 PM

Great... a 10 page thread in the making.

ducks

12-26-2005, 12:57 PM

so ?

pawe

12-26-2005, 01:00 PM

so..it means that anything can still happen. im not sayin the spurs are gonna beat the shit out of detroit but it still can happen

td4mvp21

12-26-2005, 01:06 PM

You also forgot that Detroit plays defense, neither of those teams did, and defense wins championships. Detroit is better than those two teams ever were.

ducks

12-26-2005, 01:07 PM

I was asking thewhiter why a 10 page thread on this was great

ducks

12-26-2005, 01:08 PM

You also forgot that Detroit plays defense, neither of those teams did, and defense wins championships. Detroit is better than those two teams ever were.

you forgot also that flip has gotten out of the first round once with a mvp candiate

ducks

12-26-2005, 01:22 PM

BTW try to get out of the Western Conference first before even thinking about facing the Pistons in the Finals... :rolleyes :lol

pistons have to get out the east to

pawe

12-26-2005, 01:25 PM

oh the spurs can handle the west with one sweep of the wand..but can the pistons handle the oneals of the east?

Solid D

12-26-2005, 01:30 PM

It's a long season. Injuries don't happen on paper and neither do the playoffs. I say play out the string, see what happens when it's over.

Troubles can make the bonds stronger and teams pull from deep within. (See PHX) Spurs have to get out of the West, which ain't a given. Same for the East and the Pistons.

JamesR

12-26-2005, 01:31 PM

Well looking at how the Spurs are "dominating" their Western Conference foes winning games by 1, 2 or 3 points....

I doubt the Spurs are going to have a cake walk in the WC this year...

Good luck because you will need it!

The Spurs have never peaked in their performace until around the time of the Rodeo road trip--a fast start doesn't neccessarrily mean a title down the road (just ask the mavs and suns)

pawe

12-26-2005, 01:45 PM

who are the contenders in the west? everyone in the wc got weak so i dont think gettin out of it is gonna be a problem. the ec so far has a lot more firepower and strength to match detroit. but we'll see, there's still the problem of injuries and homestretch runs..

SuperMan

12-26-2005, 01:45 PM

However, there was one team that did go on to win the Finals that had a 22-3 start, but that was the Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan, that was the third team... Detroit... they are not no Chicago Bulls and they don't have a Michael Jordan..

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 01:56 PM

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FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 01:56 PM

Ohh, i got it.... FEAR

Anyone who compares the '03 Mavs and '05 Suns to the Pistons needs to ban themselves from speaking for a week.
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pawe

12-26-2005, 01:59 PM

nah, that aint fear..that's shit you're smelling!

JamesR

12-26-2005, 02:00 PM

Ohh, i got it.... FEAR

I hope who ever you are smelling that on gets the hell off the bandwagon.

Kori Ellis

12-26-2005, 02:00 PM

Anyone who compares the '03 Mavs and '05 Suns to the Pistons needs to ban themselves from speaking for a week.

Yeah, I didn't get the comparison of the teams either. Other than the same record, there's no similarities in the teams, their strengths, etc.

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 02:02 PM

The Pistons are a title tested, defensive team. Could the Mavs or Suns hold the Spurs to an 8 point quarter? How about outrebound them by 27? Did those teams have anyone that could neutralize Duncan (ala Sheed). Dirk? Amare? :lol To even suggest that what the Spurs did to the Suns/Mavs holds any weight when it comes to the Pistons is just crazy talk :drunk

The Spurs are a great team and another Spurs/Pistons series would be very close no doubt, but this thread is pointless.
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DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

12-26-2005, 02:04 PM

polandprzem

12-26-2005, 02:06 PM

Ohh, i got it.... FEAR

Anyone who compares the '03 Mavs and '05 Suns to the Pistons needs to ban themselves from speaking for a week.
yup :tu

Agreed. The Pistons have the power. Defensive minded team with one weak side. The coach who never been to the Finals. But as we can see when yu talk about the Pistons you should stop talking about the coach. Carlisle Brown, Saunders. No matter who coached tem they were tough.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

12-26-2005, 02:07 PM

Not comparing the Suns and Mavericks to the Pistons, but just the thought of any team boasting of a 22-3 record and to all those pistons fans... to just wait and see...that history will repeat itself and the spurs will take you out when the right time comes.

Repost???

Vashner

12-26-2005, 02:10 PM

Right now it's all about injuries..

About the only thing we can count on is we will be in the playoffs. And we will have one of the top slots. We kinda have to wait till playoff time to really think about winning it all or not. Depending on injuries...

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 02:11 PM

yup :tu
The coach who never been to the Finals.

Yep, the Flip aspect is up in the air (though he has been pretty flawless thus far). But I will say this... In '99 Coach Popovich had never been out of the 2nd round. What happend that year? The fact is, there is no coach in the history of the NBA that was born a championship coach. Every championship coach has their first, Pop with the Spurs, Larry with the Pistons. Flip..... ?????
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SuperMan

12-26-2005, 02:19 PM

Yep, the Flip aspect is up in the air (though he has been pretty flawless thus far). But I will say this... In '99 Coach Popovich had never been out of the 2nd round. What happend that year? The fact is, there is no coach in the history of the NBA that was born a championship coach. Every championship coach has their first, Pop with the Spurs, Larry with the Pistons. Flip..... ?????

True... we all must remember, that Flip won the MidWest Division two years ago, and had the League MVP at that time - Kevin Garnett, having probably his best season, but when it came time for the conference finals, they just choked when it came to game time, I say blame that on the Coach for not getting his team mentally ready for the big show. Pop owns Flip. Period.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

12-26-2005, 02:26 PM

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 02:27 PM

True... we all must remember, that Flip won the MidWest Division two years ago, and had the League MVP at that time - Kevin Garnett, having probably his best season, but when it came time for the conference finals, they just choked when it came to game time, I say blame that on the Coach for not getting his team mentally ready for the big show.

Funny that you decide to not include the fact that the T-wolves 2nd best player and leader, Sam Cassell, got injured in game 2 of the Lakers/Wolves series :rolleyes A little hard to win a series when your all-star point-guard has to sit games out. Not to mentiond the fact that the Spurs were beaten by the same Laker team just days before.

EDIT: Lions fan you beat me to it!
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polandprzem

12-26-2005, 02:28 PM

Pistons are not just about coach.
If you ask me the coach is the last in importance with their sucess

JamStone

12-26-2005, 02:31 PM

SuperMan,

Flip Saunders led the Minnesota Timberwolves to 8 playoff appearances. Seven times, his teams were knocked off in the first round. Of those seven times, he had homecourt advantage and was favored to win the first round match-up ONE TIME. ONCE. That one time was against the three time defending NBA Champion Los Angeles Lakers. So, the only time Flip's Minnesota team was "supposed" to win a first round playoff series and didn't was against a championship squad that knew how to win in the playoffs. The other six first round knock-outs were against teams that had better regular season records and were just better teams.

Sure, it would have been nice for Flip Saunders and the Timberwolves if they had upset some of those teams in the first round. But, if the other team is simply the better team and was supposed to win, is that head coach altogether to blame? Was it Pop's fault that the Spurs lost to the Lakers in 2004 even though the Spurs were the favored team and had an MVP candidate in Duncan? Was it Mike D'Antoni's fault that the Suns lost to the Spurs last year even though they had the League MVP at the time in Steve Nash?

Maybe Flip won't be able to lead this Pistons team to a championship this year. But, you can't look at his experience with the Timberwolves and just claim that's how it's going to be. This is a different situation, different players, different organization, different attitude, different experience. Pop didn't own Flip yesterday. Period.

SuperMan

12-26-2005, 02:31 PM

Funny that you decide to not include the fact that the T-wolves 2nd best player and leader, Sam Cassell, got injured in game 2 of the Lakers/Wolves series :rolleyes

EDIT: Lions fan you beat me to it!

oh yeah, my bad i forgot, game one with a healthy Sam Casell, Lakers 97 and the Wolves 88.

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 02:35 PM

oh yeah, my bad i forgot, game one with a healthy Sam Casell, Lakers 97 and the Wolves 88.

If the first game decided a playoff series you guys would have been a first round exit last year. So take that garbage somwhere else, because you look like a fool. AND BTW, Cassell didn't even play in the 4th quarter of game 1, so your argument is pretty useless no matter how you slice it.
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SuperMan

12-26-2005, 02:43 PM

If the first game decided a playoff series you guys would have been a first round exit last year. So take that garbage somwhere else, because you look like a fool. AND BTW, Cassell didn't even play in the 4th quarter of game 1, so your argument is pretty useless no matter how you slice it.

what's your point, Parker didn't play in the 4th quarter against NJ in the finals, backup PG Speedy played and we won...

ducks

12-26-2005, 02:45 PM

yeah the spurs won because of speedy :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

SuperMan

12-26-2005, 02:48 PM

yeah the spurs won because of speedy :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

.... and Duncan's almost quadruple double. I remember him screaming really loud for the ball each time he was in the low post.. it was funny.

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 02:48 PM

what's your point, Parker didn't play in the 4th quarter against NJ in the finals, backup PG Speedy played and we won...

Cassell was the T-Wolves finisher. Just as he is the Clipper's finisher this year. He took all the big shots, not KG. It is no coincidence that the Wolves sucked last year while Cassell was out a large chunk of the season. And don't compare the Nets to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.
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theMUHMEshow

12-26-2005, 02:50 PM

Sorry none of those other teams that went 22-3 had Ben Wallace-Rasheed Wallace-Richard Hamilton or Chauncey Billups on it.

None of those other teams had been to two straight NBA FINALS

None of those other teams had won a title with the same starting five that is still in tact.

None of those teams were from Detroit. :fro

Keep reaching

SuperMan

12-26-2005, 02:51 PM

Cassell was the T-Wolves finisher. Just as he is the Clipper's finisher this year. He took all the big shots, not KG. It is no coincidence that the Wolves sucked last year while Cassell was out a large chunk of the season.

Yeah...i guess you are right... just like we got Manu and he took it to those Pistons in game 7 last season in the fourth quarter... i might have the highlights on tape...if you need it...

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

12-26-2005, 02:57 PM

Yeah...i guess you are right... just like we got Manu and he took it to those Pistons in game 7 last season in the fourth quarter... i might have the highlights on tape...if you need it...

I have .4 on tape as well...if you need it...

Because you know, Pop choked just as Flip did that year...

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 03:00 PM

Yeah...i guess you are right... just like we got Manu and he took it to those Pistons in game 7 last season in the fourth quarter... i might have the highlights on tape...if you need it...

Mature.... Lose the argument and then make it worse by trying to piss me off even more.

Cant_Be_Faded

12-26-2005, 03:09 PM

The last two teams with a 22 - 3 start just so happened to be 2004-2005 phoenix suns and the 2002-2003 Dallas Mavericks...
Just in case if you have forgotten, the Spurs beat both of those teams during those same respective seasons in the conference finals and went on to win the NBA Finals those same years. Whose Next.... the Detroit Pistons... in June 2006.

Yeah, it's a shame the Pistons get a free pass to their Conference Finals and don't have to face the teams we do.

SuperMan

12-26-2005, 03:19 PM

Mature.... Lose the argument and then make it worse by trying to piss me off even more.

Fresh Prince give it a rest... you brought up Cassell and excuses, not me.

I was just saying that Flip is a good coach, but i will still choose Pop, becuase he's proven he can win... and he deserves that much more respect.

leemajors

12-26-2005, 03:21 PM

Right now, the West is stronger than the East...

i agree, the east seemed to get off to a hot start, but some of those teams have cooled off, i.e. washington, chicago. milwaukee seems to still be doing well, but all that talk at the beginnning of the season about a power shift to the east seems to have died down. the west isn't as strong as in recent memory, but neither conference is noticably stronger than the other at this point.

Cant_Be_Faded

12-26-2005, 03:32 PM

really? The west is stronger than the east? i had no idea

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 03:41 PM

Pistons are 12-2 against the West, 10-1 against the East. Spurs are 11-5 against the East, 10-2 against the West. Why is it that the Pistons have played more West games than the Spurs, and the Spurs more East games than the Pistons? whacky.

Cant_Be_Faded

12-26-2005, 03:42 PM

no scheduling makes sense after the introduction of that bastard franchise teh Charlotte Bobcats

ShoogarBear

12-26-2005, 03:44 PM

Ohh, i got it.... FEAR

Anyone who compares the '03 Mavs and '05 Suns to the Pistons needs to ban themselves from speaking for a week.
Hmm. Now who's showing fear? :)

FreshPrince22

12-26-2005, 03:58 PM

Hmm. Now who's showing fear? :)

:huh

Cant_Be_Faded

12-26-2005, 04:00 PM

you don't know jack cuz believe it or not, that mavericks team was the real fuckin deal, one of the best offenses ever

and that was back when your team averaged like 86 ppg

i guess its easy to become jaded when we talk about bad ass teams from the west, when you have to get through juggernaut teams like the Sixers and Nets to make it to your conference finals

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

12-26-2005, 04:27 PM

i guess its easy to become jaded when we talk about bad ass teams from the west, when you have to get through juggernaut teams like the Sixers and Nets to make it to your conference finals

Juggernauts like the Nuggets and Sonics?

JamesR

12-26-2005, 04:34 PM

Juggernauts like the Nuggets and Sonics?

The Nuggets lost 3 games after the All-Star break, they were the real deal--at least last year.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

12-26-2005, 04:38 PM

The Nuggets lost 3 games after the All-Star break, they were the real deal--at least last year.

A real contender wins more than one game in the playoffs...

The Nets team he is referring too were coming off back to back Finals appearances and, if I remember correctly, had the Spurs tied at 2-2 in 2003...

leemajors

12-26-2005, 04:43 PM

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927

12-26-2005, 04:49 PM

i agree with the disgruntled one, but i would have to say any team with ray allen on it is more dangerous than the nuggets. he is capable of taking over a game or series. btw, you with the millen haters? i can't believe that dude is still employed. too bad dumars can't pull double duty for lions and pistons...

Nope, because I am 99.9% sure Millen isn't going anywhere...

It's pretty funny to hear the Fire Millen chants at away games for the Pistons and Red Wings though....

THE X-FACTOR

12-26-2005, 05:21 PM

THE X-FACTOR

12-26-2005, 05:26 PM

you forgot also that flip has gotten out of the first round once with a mvp candiate

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By Marc Stein | ESPN.com

Playoff success is the only thing that has denied Saunders more frequent mention among the coaching elite, but perhaps we should count up how many times he lost a series in Minnesota that the Wolves were supposed to win. I would say none. At least one upset would have certainly helped his standing, but I would also say that playoff success shouldn't be a problem any more. As with the Spurs in the West, it's difficult to envision a scenario where Detroit doesn't get back to the Finals under its new boss, barring a major injury to a Pistons starter. Or a major surprise from the powder keg coached by the last guy on the list.

Cant_Be_Faded

12-26-2005, 05:58 PM

Juggernauts like the Nuggets and Sonics?

if you're trying to convince yourself that the Sixers and Nets are on the same level as the Nuggz and Sonics, you are sadly sadly mistaken

(for the sake of clarity lets say we are talking about last year's playoff-ready teams, since we are talkign about postseasons anyway)
if we are takling 2003 playoffs, then my bad, nets were a bad example, cuz making it to backtoback finals is a big accomplishment

sub the team Nets for any other lower seed of 2003 for Eastern Conference

Dude if Steve Kerr had not single handedly put on the greatest performance of all time, Dallas would be the 2003 NBA champions, period.
That team was elite, and would wipe the floor with the Pistons...you have no idea the 3 point onslaught they were capable of, every dallas-spurs game that season was a tonguebiter

THE X-FACTOR

12-26-2005, 06:59 PM

Dallas would be the 2003 NBA champions, period.
That team was elite, and would wipe the floor with the Pistons

right........ I agree, NOT

JamStone

12-26-2005, 07:06 PM

So, do you think Dallas was the better team in 2003? If you think it was only Steve Kerr that saved you in that series, you must think the Spurs would have gotten killed if Dirk didn't get injured and miss the last three games of that series.

That 2003 Dallas team may have wiped the floor with the 2003 Detroit Pistons. But, that 2003 Dallas team does not beat the 2004, 2005, or 2006 Detroit Pistons.

JamStone

12-26-2005, 07:07 PM

New Jersey Nets of 2002 and 2003 were better than the 2005 Supersonics and the 2005 Denver Nuggets.

jochhejaam

12-26-2005, 07:10 PM

Dude if Steve Kerr had not single handedly put on the greatest performance of all time, Dallas would be the 2003 NBA champions, period.
That team was elite, and would wipe the floor with the Pistons...you have no idea the 3 point onslaught they were capable of, every dallas-spurs game that season was a tonguebiter
Since the Pistons have beaten the Spurs 5 times in their last 9 games I assume you think that Dallas team would wipe the floor with the current Spurs team also.

Duncanoypi

12-26-2005, 07:38 PM

Well looking at how the Spurs are "dominating" their Western Conference foes winning games by 1, 2 or 3 points....

I doubt the Spurs are going to have a cake walk in the WC this year...

Good luck because you will need it!

Detroit also needs your goodluck...the season is long...the injury is just one click...

Don't be overjoyed....

Shelia19

12-26-2005, 08:30 PM

The last two teams with a 22 - 3 start just so happened to be 2004-2005 phoenix suns and the 2002-2003 Dallas Mavericks...
Just in case if you have forgotten, the Spurs beat both of those teams during those same respective seasons in the conference finals and went on to win the NBA Finals those same years. Whose Next.... the Detroit Pistons... in June 2006.
ohh you mean mavs and suns the ones who never been to the finals right? what do they have to do with the pistons?pistons know how to play in the playoffs lmfao wow what a good comparison there (rollseyes)

Cant_Be_Faded

12-26-2005, 08:57 PM

That 2003 Dallas team may have wiped the floor with the 2003 Detroit Pistons. But, that 2003 Dallas team does not beat the 2004, 2005, or 2006 Detroit Pistons

I agree with 2005 and 6, but face it, the 2004 detroit team played an injured Lakers team for the title....and thats the only real "test" they had that postseason...

New Jersey Nets of 2002 and 2003 were better than the 2005 Supersonics and the 2005 Denver Nuggets.

I agree. But if you take the bottom half of the West playoff bracket and compare the bottom half of the East playoff bracket, the West would always have better teams. Or at least for the last, what, 7 or 8 years?

If they divided conferences north and south, maybe it would be different. But your conference is pathetically weak, has been pathetically weak, and shows no sign of becoming strong in the immediate future.

HONESTLY
look at history you guys
how do you think 2003 Mavs, 2003 Spurs, 2003 Lakers would have done being an 8th seed in the 2003 Eastern Bracket?

How do you think the 2004 Spurs would have done being an 8th seed in the 2004 Eastern Bracket? They would have at least made it to the Conference Finals, and by beating teams like the Sixers and Pacers

Heat, Pistons, and mayyyybe the pacers are all your entire conference has

I would love for my spurs to be in the eastern conference. Then I'd never get mad at a regular season loss EVER, cuz I'd be 100% sure my team would make it to the 3rd round with EASE, just like the Pistons.

1Parker1

12-26-2005, 09:15 PM

Anyone who compares the '03 Mavs and '05 Suns to the Pistons needs to ban themselves from speaking for a week.

That's what I was thinking. Mavs and Suns didn't play any defense. They have no prior Finals/Championship experience. Detroit already has won a championship with their current starting 5 and were 8 minutes away from repeating.

Although it is a long year and anything can happen, this new offensive Pistons team with its 20-3 record is very, very scary. They looked great out there on Sunday, and even if Manu had played, I still think we would have lost that game. Not to say the Spurs can't improve/beat them. It's just showing that the Spurs have a long way to go and have a lot of room for improvement. Luckily we still have about 70% of the season left!

leemajors

12-26-2005, 10:30 PM

I agree with 2005 and 6, but face it, the 2004 detroit team played an injured Lakers team for the title....and thats the only real "test" they had that postseason...

I agree. But if you take the bottom half of the West playoff bracket and compare the bottom half of the East playoff bracket, the West would always have better teams. Or at least for the last, what, 7 or 8 years?

If they divided conferences north and south, maybe it would be different. But your conference is pathetically weak, has been pathetically weak, and shows no sign of becoming strong in the immediate future.

HONESTLY
look at history you guys
how do you think 2003 Mavs, 2003 Spurs, 2003 Lakers would have done being an 8th seed in the 2003 Eastern Bracket?

How do you think the 2004 Spurs would have done being an 8th seed in the 2004 Eastern Bracket? They would have at least made it to the Conference Finals, and by beating teams like the Sixers and Pacers

Heat, Pistons, and mayyyybe the pacers are all your entire conference has

I would love for my spurs to be in the eastern conference. Then I'd never get mad at a regular season loss EVER, cuz I'd be 100% sure my team would make it to the 3rd round with EASE, just like the Pistons.

making it to the finals is making it to the finals. conference is irrelevant at tipoff of the finals.

Marklar MM

12-26-2005, 10:37 PM

I agree with 2005 and 6, but face it, the 2004 detroit team played an injured Lakers team for the title....and thats the only real "test" they had that postseason...

That same injured team beat San Antonio. And Detroit had injuries also. They are just never brought up.

ALVAREZ6

12-26-2005, 10:46 PM

Spurs vs. Pistons in finals again in 2006.

Both teams 100% healthy, Spurs win. Period.

THE X-FACTOR

12-26-2005, 11:01 PM

Spurs vs. Pistons in finals again in 2006.

Both teams 100% healthy, Spurs win. Period.

2005 yes, not so sure about 2006

ALVAREZ6

12-26-2005, 11:02 PM

2005 yes, not so sure about 2006
We'll see.

JamStone

12-26-2005, 11:07 PM

Spurs vs. Pistons in finals again in 2006.

Both teams 100% healthy, Spurs win. Period.

At least you have a built-in excuse prepared if the Spurs don't win. Neither team will be 100% healthy, you can bet on that.

ALVAREZ6

12-26-2005, 11:15 PM

At least you have a built-in excuse prepared if the Spurs don't win. Neither team will be 100% healthy, you can bet on that.
If Manu, TD, and TP are healthy, Spurs win.

THE X-FACTOR

12-26-2005, 11:32 PM

If Manu, TD, and TP are healthy, Spurs win.

if Hamilton, Sheed, and Billups are healthy and don't have to play 45 MPG Pistons win, period.

JamStone

12-26-2005, 11:46 PM

If Manu, TD, and TP are healthy, Spurs win.

Thank you, Ms. Cleo.

td4mvp21

12-27-2005, 10:50 AM

That same injured team beat San Antonio. And Detroit had injuries also. They are just never brought up.

Uh, no one on that team was injured when they played us. Everyone was fine. I don't think Detroit had injuries that year, they seemed perfect to me when they were kicking the Laker's butts. I don't really care whether L.A. was injured, Malone was really the only one. Pistons won legitimately, they blew them out of the water. It was Detroit's year.

Oh, Gee!!

12-27-2005, 11:23 AM

if Hamilton, Sheed, and Billups are healthy and don't have to play 45 MPG Pistons win, period.

and if sheed doesn't get tossed from every game for being a lunatic, and if the new coach knows what to do in a really big game, and if Prince doesn't pull a disappearing act, etc.

FreshPrince22

12-27-2005, 11:29 AM

Uh, no one on that team was injured when they played us. Everyone was fine. I don't think Detroit had injuries that year, they seemed perfect to me when they were kicking the Laker's butts.

Ben had Bone Spurs and Sheed had Plantar Fasciatis (same thing Duncan has now). Those were the 2 biggies. I'm sure there were others though as well. The difference is, unlike most players, if they have a bad game they don't blame it on injuries.

td4mvp21

12-27-2005, 11:33 AM

Ben had Bone Spurs and Sheed had Plantar Fasciatis (same thing Duncan has now). Those were the 2 biggies. I'm sure there were others though as well. The difference is, unlike most players, if they have a bad game they don't blame it on injuries.

Ahh, ok, sorry about that. That's why I don't care about L.A being injured. Every team has problems in the playoffs.

Marklar MM

12-27-2005, 11:34 AM

Ben had bone spurs for the 05 playoffs

td4mvp21

12-27-2005, 11:36 AM

Ben had bone spurs for the 05 playoffs

Well, thats what I mean, every team has problems. Duncan had bad ankles, Ben had bone spurs, etc, every team has issues. The Pistons title was legit.

Man In Black

12-27-2005, 11:44 AM

Every title is legit. The best teams win 4 out of 7 every year.

Marklar MM

12-27-2005, 12:05 PM

Well, thats what I mean, every team has problems. Duncan had bad ankles, Ben had bone spurs, etc, every team has issues. The Pistons title was legit.

I was correcting FP. :)

leemajors

12-27-2005, 12:39 PM

i have never heard a spurs player blame his play on injuries. fans take charge of making excuses for their players, regardless of the team.

MiNuS

12-27-2005, 02:15 PM

didn't want to read the whole damn arguement. I just want to remind Detroit
that 1 point "W"s hurt alot more that 20 point wins. Especially when its game
5 and it comes from 3 pt land! ... ouch.

I've seen too many of these blow outs by the Pistons on the Spurs in last seasons Finals not to put too much weight on it. You Piston fans better learn
or this second time around it will pinch you in your ass!

AGAIN!

Spurs will gladly take the underdog position. No prob.

FreshPrince22

12-27-2005, 02:27 PM

Ben had bone spurs for the 05 playoffs

He first got them in '03. They seem to act up a few times every year. I know they were already re-aggrivated this year when Yao stomped on his foot, but it seems to have gotten better. I know he's had surgery at least twice to try and fix the problem, but it doesn't seem to matter. It seemed to hurt him the most in '05, but I know it was bugging him a bit in '04. Then again, pretty much every player is banged up by the time the playoffs roll around.

THE X-FACTOR

12-27-2005, 04:15 PM

and if sheed doesn't get tossed from every game for being a lunatic, and if the new coach knows what to do in a really big game, and if Prince doesn't pull a disappearing act, etc.

yes Sheed getting tossed in those games cost the Pistons..... :rolleyes can you tell me when that was???!?! :huh

Oh, Gee!!

12-27-2005, 04:29 PM

can you tell me when that was???!?! :huh

in the future. 2006 Finals

THE X-FACTOR

12-27-2005, 11:01 PM

in the future. 2006 Finals

aahhhhhhh :drunk :smokin :elephant

Trapt1307

12-27-2005, 11:36 PM

yes Sheed getting tossed in those games cost the Pistons..... :rolleyes can you tell me when that was???!?! :huh

Yeah, I don't recall Sheed getting tossed from a game since he's been a Piston. Please elaborate.

THE X-FACTOR

12-28-2005, 12:13 AM

Yeah, I don't recall Sheed getting tossed from a game since he's been a Piston. Please elaborate.

wishful thinking :king

midgetonadonkey

12-28-2005, 12:39 AM

right........ I agree, NOT

Wow. Thanks for that X-Factor. You just took me back to 1992 with that.

Lurks-a-lot

12-28-2005, 01:42 AM

lol
P.S if any of you guys our ever intersted in posting in a pistons forum check out http://wc4.worldcrossing.com/webx/[email protected]@.eebaada it's a great forum and I always appreciate you spurs fans and your opinions hopefully you will appreciate pistons opinions as well. :)

Lurks-a-lot

12-28-2005, 01:45 AM

That doesn't sign you in as me does it?

jochhejaam

12-28-2005, 09:32 AM

:lol No, it didn't.

Lurks-a-lot

12-28-2005, 02:59 PM

:), Sorry I was alittle intoxicated last night.

LilMissSPURfect

12-28-2005, 04:49 PM

excuse my spanglish..i didn't read all the posts.....but all this talk about bone spurs...i just had to get mine in.....

whatever the reasons and excuses SPURS will BONE detroit and anyone else that gets in the way to a repeat ......!!!!

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tlongII

12-28-2005, 04:51 PM

I remember a Chicago Bulls team that started 22-3.

They finished at 72-10.

Just sayin....

Bloodline666

12-29-2005, 07:29 PM

Every title is legit. The best teams win 4 out of 7 every year.
You know what's funny about that comment?

People have been slamming the Spurs' 1999 Championship as not legit because it was won on a "lockout shortened season." I find that funny because those same people have not said a damn word about the Washington Redskins' Super Bowl XVII championship not being legit, as that, too, was won on a "lockout shortened season!"