Rock vs. Hard Place

[ShoogarBear]

If you had to pick between the two: Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis?

[Kori Ellis]

Marbury.

Francis is still pining away for Cuttino and can't concentrate on basketball.

[timvp]

For the Spurs? I'd take Marbury. I think Pop could turn him into a point guard like LB turned Billups into a point guard.

[angel_luv]

Can I make them come off the bench- at least at first ?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Can I make them come off the bench- at least at first ?


rasho should come off the bench forever

[Solid D]

I'd take either one, if I knew I could trade him for a wing or a center of quality the next day.

[leemajors]

too bad rasho earned his starting spot, he's not coming off the bench unless someone takes his job.

[MI21]

I agree with Timvp.

Marbury has had his good years. His time in Minnesota was good, and for that one year in Phoenix he was a monster. I don't think it is coincidence that the years he had the most solid environment around him (PHX, MIN) he was a very good player. He's very intense, I think he would definatly work out in SA.

Francis sucks.

[ChumpDumper]

I think I might actually take Francis. He seems to break slightly fewer plays (provided you never give him the ball with 20 seconds left in a game) and you gotta love that kind of rebounding from a point guard. You could always motivate him by saying you were trying to get Cuttino in trade....

[Spurminator]

Tough call. Marbury seems more hungry and probably more coachable. Both have pretty bad shot selection, but Francis is the worse of the two... 68% of his shots are jumpers and he hits only 39% of them, compared to 51%/41% for Marbury. (82games.com)

If you can get Marbury to buy into the 4-down philosophy, he could be deadly. Francis would still have to rely on his subpar jumper.

[snowboarder]

Franchise

[ShoogarBear]

I've been going back and forth on this. Objectively, Marbury wins most categories. He also wins overall in attitude and coachability.

However, when they are both playing at their best, I think Franchise is a better point guard (not necessarily better overall) than Marbury is. This is entirely subjective (and Marbury in fact hold a higher career APG at 8.2 vs. 6.4). Despite Franchise's reputation for dribbling out the clock in clutch situations, on the average I think Marbury is more guilty of dominating the ball until he either has a shot or an assist. I think ball movement is better with Francis, but he also tries to make the spectacular play more often than Marbury.

Some interesting stuff (which I did not know prior to startint he thread):
-they were born only one day apart (Marbury 1977-02-20, Francis 1977-02-21).
-Despite the impression that Marbury is a much bigger and stronger player, Marbury is listed as 6'2" 205#, Francis 6'3" 200#

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just thinking of all those shitty small ball lineups we've been running. We'd actually do decently on the boards with Francis and Manu at the swing spots.

[Brutalis]

Francis.

[Spurologist]

Marbury has been a cancer everywhere he has been. The teams he left had a better record when he was gone. Francis wins by default.

[Obstructed_View]

Who has more trade value? Neither ever dons a jersey for my team.

[baseline bum]

Francis, only because I could get way more in trade for him than I could Marbury. Stephon's best days look long gone (although Francis' look like they'll never come). I'd hate either in a Spurs uniform. They're both selfish punks who have proved before they think they're above playing team ball. No way I'd ever corrupt a team with Tim Duncan on it with that crap.

[z0sa]

The franchise, because hes just got natural ability to play the game. Marbury didnt do shit in Phoenix and he isnt doing shit in NY, while Francis at least got Houston to the playoffs... Orlando is just a sorry team thats going through hard times and bad chemistry to compound everything. But remember last season they did good at the start of the season? They have the ability, its just getting everyone on the same page - Francis has the ability to lead a team to the playoffs, something Marbury just doesn't seem to have.

[Horry For 3!]

I'll take Marbury

[ShoogarBear]

Bump. Rock AND hard place.

[MI21]

Ouch.

[1Parker1]

Bump. Rock AND hard place.


:lol Did you hear about this trade happening at the time you started this thread Shoogarbear?

[FromWayDowntown]

Soothsaying by ShoogarBear. Nice.

[Brutalis]

For the Spurs? I'd take Marbury. I think Pop could turn him into a point guard like LB turned Billups into a point guard.
agreed

[ChumpDumper]

Was "both" a choice?

[ShoogarBear]

:lol Did you hear about this trade happening at the time you started this thread Shoogarbear?Do you think if I knew about things 50 days before they happened I'd be messing around here?

[tlongII]

I would pick The Rock.

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[JMarkJohns]

Marbury has been a cancer everywhere he has been. The teams he left had a better record when he was gone. Francis wins by default.

:rolleyes

Marbury is one of the best people in the game. He dominates the ball, but he is not a ballhog, like Francis. Both have had limited success, but to say that Marbury is a cancer is absurd, because he hasn't been since at the latest, Phoenix and you can't blame the team success on him being gone, because if you cared to look at the talent he had (or didn't) compared to the next year's talent had, it's rediculously different from both Jersey and Phoenix.

Marbury's been to the playoffs three times, Francis once(?).

Marbury generally cares about the game and hates to lose. Whenever he's had quality players around him, he's guided them to the playoffs.

[pache100]

too bad rasho earned his starting spot, he's not coming off the bench unless someone takes his job.

Did you see the game on Sunday?

[nkdlunch]

I'll pass on those 2