More Craziness from Pat Robinson (err...Robertson)

[Oh, Gee!!]

Apparently, Ariel Sharon is on God's shit list

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060106%2F0437642753.htm&ewp=ewp_news_0106sharon_robertson

Robertson Links Sharon Stroke, God's Wrath

By SONJA BARISIC

NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine punishment for ``dividing God's land.''

``God considers this land to be his,'' Robertson said on his TV program ``The 700 Club.'' ``You read the Bible and he says `This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, `No, this is mine.'''

Sharon, who ordered Israel's withdrawal from Gaza last year, suffered a severe stroke on Wednesday.

In Robertson's broadcast from his Christian Broadcasting Network in Virginia Beach, the evangelist said he had personally prayed about a year ago with Sharon, whom he called ``a very tender-hearted man and a good friend.'' He said he was sad to see Sharon in this condition.

He also said, however, that in the Bible, the prophet Joel ``makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land.'''

Sharon ``was dividing God's land and I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU (European Union), the United Nations, or the United States of America,'' Robertson said.

In discussing what he said was God's insistence that Israel not be divided, Robertson also referred to the 1995 assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who had sought to achieve peace by giving land to the Palestinians. ``It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless he was dead,'' he said.

The Anti-Defamation League issued a statement urging Christian leaders to distance themselves from the remarks. Robertson made similar comments as the Gaza withdrawal occurred, it said.

``It is outrageous and shocking, but not surprising, that Pat Robertson once again has suggested that God will punish Israel's leaders for any decision to give up land to the Palestinians,'' said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the group, which fights anti-Semitism. ``His remarks are un-Christian and a perversion of religion. Unlike Robertson, we don't see God as cruel and vengeful.''

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said a religious leader ``should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life.''

``Pat Robertson has a political agenda for the entire world, and he seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda,'' Lynn said in a statement.

The Senate's top Democrat, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, joined in the criticism, calling Robert's remark ``completely outrageous, insulting and inappropriate.''

Sharon ``is fighting for his life. He and his family deserve our thoughts and prayers, and I hope Mr. Robertson will offer them after he apologizes,'' Reid said.

Robertson spokeswoman Angell Watts said of critics who challenged his remarks, ``What they're basically saying is, 'How dare Pat Robertson quote the Bible?'''

``This is what the word of God says,'' Watts said. ``This is nothing new to the Christian community.''

In August, Robertson suggested on ``The 700 Club'' that American agents should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who has long been at odds with U.S. foreign policy. Robertson later apologized for his remarks, saying he ``spoke in frustration.''

In November, he addressed residents of a Pennsylvania town who ousted school board members who had advocated the teaching of ``intelligent design'' - the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power - as an alternative to the theory of evolution.

``I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God,'' he said. ``You just rejected him from your city.''

He later said he was simply trying to point out that ``our spiritual actions have consequences.''

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[SA210]

:lol I saw this at my meeting last night on the news.

[boutons_]

The scariest aspect of this ignorant jackass is that 100s of 1000s, millions?, of ignorant American jackasses actually follow, believe and $support his insanities as literally true.

[Oh, Gee!!]

The scariest aspect of this ignorant jackass is that 100s of 1000s, millions?, of ignorant American jackasses actually follow, believe and $support his insanities as literally true.

here's one:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2843

[ChumpDumper]

So what did Reagan do to get Alzheimers?

[travis2]

Pat Robertson is a jerk.

[implacable44]

here's one:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2843

no mr. homosexual - male rapist supporter -- I do not follow Pat Robinson and I don't even know why people listen to him - he is as off the wall as Al Franken, Howard Dean and Michael Moore - only to the other extreme. - I am no supporter, follower or legion of Pat Robinson or any evangelist for that matter and be careful who you slander in the future.

[implacable44]

by the way -- if you are going to start a thread and call someone out -- make sure you pop in that hooked on p-h-o-n-i-c-s tape so that you can spell his name correctly. I mean you don't want to go and say President William Jefferson Thompson was the best president ever and then link a story about Clinton ? or you wouldn't want to say Mr. C is the best Rocky villian ever - when you meant Mr. T?

[Oh, Gee!!]

no mr. homosexual - male rapist supporter.....and be careful who you slander in the future.

grow up

[Oh, Gee!!]

by the way -- if you are going to start a thread and call someone out -- make sure you pop in that hooked on p-h-o-n-i-c-s tape so that you can spell his name correctly. I mean you don't want to go and say President William Jefferson Thompson was the best president ever and then link a story about Clinton ? or you wouldn't want to say Mr. C is the best Rocky villian ever - when you meant Mr. T?


fixed, asshole.

[implacable44]

fixed, asshole.


you "point me out" as a supporter of Pat Robertson and use vulgar language and want me to grow up ?

[Oh, Gee!!]

you "point me out" as a supporter of Pat Robertson and use vulgar language and want me to grow up ?


i guess calling someone homosexual and a rapist isn't vulgar or slanderous?

[implacable44]

i guess calling someone homosexual and a rapist isn't vulgar or slanderous?


who did I call a homosexual ? - that stems from things you said to me yesterday about a man raping my father?

[Oh, Gee!!]

who did I call a homosexual ? - that stems from things you said to me yesterday about a man raping my father?


oh, snap! that was you? :lol

[SA210]

:lol

[implacable44]

look at that -- how cute the liberals laughing together -- it is like Rocky all over again - you got the champ icon and the red faced Mr. T - don't you guys make a cute couple ! - now where is ChumpThunderLips ?

[SA210]

don't you guys make a cute couple?
That's reserved for Xray and Gaytown.

[Oh, Gee!!]

That's reserved for Xray and Gaytown.


maybe they could invite implacable44 for a 3some

[implacable44]

That's reserved for Xray and Gaytown.

no way man -- you guys take the cake - rocky icon and mr. t -- rocky 3 - chumperlips plays the role of the hulkster -- awesome couple. We got the remake right here on the spurstalk board.

[implacable44]

maybe they could invite implacable44 for a 3some

- no thanks - I like to watch - I will just wait for you and rocky to do y'alls thing -

[Oh, Gee!!]

you suck at the internet, I44

[SA210]

- no thanks - I like to watch
YOU PERV!!!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/livindeadboi/kerry_bush_tendermoment.jpg

[implacable44]

you suck at the internet, I44

ah man are you serious ? I apologize - I will try to get better maybe one day I can become as good as you and wish for people's parents to get man-raped - use vulgar and abusive language and profress my hatred for the President while I mispell names and promote the talking points I hear on Air America and get in my weekly Howard Dean newsletter while I watch reruns of Bill Maher and stare at my susan sarandon and Jeneane Garrafolo screensavers while singing " Oh Canada" in my vive la france T-shirt -- eating in my attempt to become a Michael Moore clone in mind and body. -- Then you will find me your equal.

[Oh, Gee!!]

mispell names

I never mispell names, sometimes I use the wrong names spelled correctly . Everything else you said is true.

[SA210]

Don't u talk about Bill Maher that way.

[SA210]

:lol @ Oh Gee!!

[Spurminator]

Smack Forum

[smeagol]

What's wrong with Pat Robertson?

Religion mixed up with politics = Not a good thing

[SA210]

Smack Forum
This is political smack :lol

[Phenomanul]

Bill Maher is a poser trying to pass himself off as a "genius"...

[Oh, Gee!!]

okay

[SA210]

Bill Maher is a poser trying to pass himself off as a "genius"...
Sounds like this guy,

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[Vashner]

Robertson knows how to get free press...

[Phenomanul]

Sounds like this guy,

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/livindeadboi/bush_blank_blink.gif


But he has a cabinet, joint-chiefs of staff, etc... (oh and unreliable CIA, FBI and NSA organizations working to give him 'intelligence'.....)

[SA210]

:lol you're right

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/livindeadboi/bush_chamber_pot.jpg

[Phenomanul]

:lol you're right

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/livindeadboi/bush_chamber_pot.jpg


I'm just suggesting you divert and redistribute your hatred to the rest of the snake instead of only the "head"... or pseudo-head in this case....

[Ocotillo]

Meanwhile back to Robertson.

I don't lump him in with Howard Dean or even Michael Moore.

He is more in the same league as Lyndon LaRouche except he gets press and has a TV show where people (saps) send him money.

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White House Denounces Robertson's Remarks on Sharon

Television Evangelist Said Prime Minister's Illness Was Deserved

By Daniela Deane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 6, 2006; 2:54 PM

The White House today criticized television evangelist Pat Robertson's remarks that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's severe illness was deserved, calling the comments "wholly inappropriate and offensive."

White House press spokesman Trent Duffy made the comment to reporters traveling on Air Force One with President Bush this morning. He added that Robertson's comments "don't have a place in this or any other debate."

Duffy also told reporters the president is praying for Sharon's full recovery.

The Israeli prime minister, 77, is in a medically induced coma in a Jerusalem hospital after suffering a massive stroke Wednesday. He is in critical condition.

Speaking on his Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," Robertson said yesterday that God was punishing Sharon for dividing the land of Israel.

"Sharon was personally a very likable person, and I am sad to see him in this condition, but I think we need to look at the Bible and the Book of Joel. The prophet Joel makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land,' " Robertson said.

Sharon was "dividing God's land, and I would say: Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U. [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America," the 75-year-old Baptist minister said.

Robertson, who ran for president in 1988, has a history of controversial statements. In August, he called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, then denied the remark, and a day later, apologized for it.

Staff writer Alan Cooperman contributed to this report.

© 2006 The Washington Post Company

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"religion" in USA is nothing but $$$ and show business.

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Biblical tourism
Plans for Holy Land theme park on Galilee shore where Jesus fed the 5,000

· Evangelical groups and Israel on brink of deal
· Some Israelis fear motives of US Christian right

Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv

Wednesday January 4, 2006
The Guardian

The Israeli government is planning to give up a large slice of land to American Christian evangelicals to build a biblical theme park by the Sea of Galilee where Jesus is said to have walked on water and fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish.

A consortium of Christian groups, led by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, is in negotiation with the Israeli ministry of tourism and a deal is expected in the coming months. The project is expected to bring up to 1 million extra tourists a year but an undeclared benefit will be the cementing of a political alliance between the Israeli rightwing and the American Christian right.

However, the alliance has not been welcomed by all Israelis, including some who fear the ultimate aim of the evangelicals is the conversion of the Jews to Christianity rather than support for Israel.

( after PR's mean, spiteful comments on Sharon, the Israelis have even more reason to doubt PR Trojan horse of "Christian" showbusiness )

Jonathan Pulik, a spokesman for the Israeli ministry of tourism, said the Christian market was very important for Israel's tourism industry. "We would like to give them more of a reason to come here. We would be willing to lease the land to them free of charge and they would finance the construction."

The site of the centre, covering nearly 50 hectares (125 acres) and provisionally called the Galilee World Heritage Park, would be north-east of the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible. It would feature a garden and nature park, an auditorium, a Holy Land exhibition, outdoor amphitheatres, information centre and a media studio.

The ministry of tourism estimates the total cost would be $48m (£28m). Mr Pulik also pointed out that the project would bring large numbers of jobs to the area. Mr Robertson said in a statement that he was "fully cooperating" with the project but no deal had been formalised. He said he was thrilled that "there will be a place in the Galilee where evangelical Christians from all over the world can come to celebrate the actual place where Jesus Christ lived and taught".

The Sea of Galilee is more reminiscent of the Scottish Highlands than the Middle East, particularly in winter and spring when the hills are green. The existing Christian sites are picturesque and understated oases of calm and there is even a Church of Scotland hotel and church in Tiberias, the main town in the area.

A major part of the shore of the Sea of Galilee was Syrian until it was conquered by Israel in 1967. Syria and Israel are still officially in a state of war and Syria insists the return of the Golan Heights and the Galilee shore is a prerequisite for peace.

Uri Dagul, the project coordinator, said the land issues would be concluded within a few weeks and then the final details would be agreed between the Israeli government and the Christian communities which are primarily American evangelical churches.

The American Christian right, best known for television evangelism and its stars such as Mr Robertson and Jerry Falwell, has been among the strongest supporters of Israel in the US.

The primary reason is that according to the Old Testament, Israel was given to the Jews by God. Fundamentalist Christians believe that in order for Jesus to return, two preconditions are Jewish control of the land of Israel and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.

Yossi Sarid, a former government minister and member of the Knesset, said he was wary of the friendship of the American Christian right and projects such as the Galilee centre. He said: "I am not enthusiastic about this cooperation because I have no desire to be cannon fodder for the evangelists.

"As a Jew, they believe I have to vanish before Jesus can make his second appearance. As I have no plans to convert, as an Israeli and a Jew, I find this a provocation. There is something sinister about their embrace."

Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: "I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel."

[E20]

I don't get it, they deserted Gods' land like twice..........

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Robertson{heart}Ahmadinejad
Saturday, January 7, 2006; A16


CHRISTIAN television evangelist Pat Robertson and the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, have a well-established affinity for the outrageous. This time their mutual embrace of indecency places them in a category all to themselves. As Ariel Sharon lies hospitalized and critically incapacitated by a massive stroke, Mr. Robertson, one of America's best-known religious extremists, and his Iranian counterpart -- no slouch when it comes to religious demagoguery -- suggested that Israel's prime minister had it coming. Speaking on his TV show, "The 700 Club," on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Mr. Robertson said the Bible "makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land.' " Mr. Sharon, Mr. Robertson asserted, "was dividing God's land, and I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course." As Mr. Robertson was offering up his thoughts about a man fighting for his life, Iran's president was expressing unrestrained hope that Mr. Sharon would simply die.

Pat Robertson and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are probably beyond the point where they can be reached by embarrassment or shame. But they are not beyond the kind of strong condemnation that they have richly earned. We need not recite the records of contemptible remarks made by both men in the past. There is little reason to believe that either will cease his disgraceful behavior. Mr. Ahmadinejad, the president of a country with a lamentable human rights record and a nuclear program, is dangerous, where Mr. Robertson is only pathetic. But they share a self-righteousness that blinds them to the distance that they have placed between themselves and the majority of people who find their remarks repulsive. It's sufficient to know, we suppose, that at a time when messages of hope are flowing from around the world to the bedside of Ariel Sharon, Pat Robertson and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad still have each other.

© 2006 The Washington Post Company

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[Phenomanul]

"religion" in USA is nothing but $$$ and show business.


And somehow church based charitable contributions still supply the needs of more than 70% of America's homeless, are one of the first to arrive in disaster areas for relief aid, help out the needs of orphans and widows, etc...

There are black sheep everywhere. "Don't judge the many by the sins of the few."

Take off your selective glasses.

[xrayzebra]

What's wrong with Pat Robertson?

Religion mixed up with politics = Not a good thing
'
You want to tell the Rev. Jackson that?

[Spurminator]

"religion" in USA is nothing but $$$ and show business.


Yup, that's all it is.










What's it like being such an angry, miserable little pissant?

[SpursWoman]

Pat Robertson is a jerk.



...who needs to STFU. :fro

[Dos]

he is begining to sound like harry belafonte!!!

[boutons_]

Please note I had "religion" in quotes, which means not true religion, but the very American "religion" which is pure money-grubbing, I-make-you-feel-good-so-you-pay-me, hustling, scamming, move-the-merchandise show-business.

[gtownspur]

I being an amillenialist have never fallen with Robertson's dispensational theology, his views on Israel are very disturbing. Israel has no divine right to the land of Israel since they rejected the messiah according to biblical theology.

Nevertheless, Robertson seems to be much of a canker sore to the christian right. The media will go at full lengths to sell the public that his diatribe is more dangerous than the ones you'd hear in acedamia from the likes of Ward Churchill, who said of the 911 victims of being "little eichmans".

[gtownspur]

Please note I had "religion" in quotes, which means not true religion, but the very American "religion" which is pure money-grubbing, I-make-you-feel-good-so-you-pay-me, hustling, scamming, move-the-merchandise show-business.


Boutons are you gunning for the "anti american of the year" plaque for the second straight year?

It seems to all of us that you believe that corrupt religion is only patently american.

Sorry my freind, but Jesus did not overturn the tables and scatter the merchants in an american protestant mainline church, it was in a hebrew temple. American religion is no worse than european or other foreign religion, all of them have their pros and cons.

[Nbadan]

About the only thing Ward Churchill and Pat Robinso..err...Robertson have in common is that they both receive more media attention that they deserve. People pay to hear Churchill speak knowing full well that his opinions are controversial and cutting-edge.

However, Pat Robertson attempts to cloak his extremists beliefs in a religious over-coat to try and make them smell better, and then he takes his zombie's money, keeps what he can, and tries to use the rest to further his own personal political agenda.

[gtownspur]

Pat Robertson and Churchill are not in the same boat NbaDan, this is where you fall off the logic rocket. Churchill approved the shedding of innocent blood, Pat Robertson only speaks violence against those who are already Powerful and influential.

Your "however.." should of included this main point, but you are blinded by your disdain for the greatness of this country. ANd i mean greatness as in Grand, huge, powerful, influential, etc

[Nbadan]

Churchill, like Harry Belafonte, and Cindy Sheehan were all just making the logical point that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. At one time, Osama Bin Laden was our freedom fighter until he decided to turn his private Jihad against the U.S. and the American people.

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January 11, 2006
Israel Breaks Off Tourism Talks With Pat Robertson

By GREG MYRE (http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=bylL&v1=GREG%20MYRE&fdq=19960101&td=sysdate&sort=newest&ac=GREG%20MYRE&inline=nyt-per)
JERUSALEM, Jan. 11 - Israel (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/israel/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) said today it was breaking off negotiations on a tourism project with the evangelical leader, Pat Robertson, in response to his remarks suggesting that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/ariel_sharon/index.html?inline=nyt-per) stroke was divine retribution.

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"We cannot accept these statements, and we will not sign any contracts with Mr. Robertson," a spokesman for Israel's Tourism Ministry, Ido Hartuv, said.

Israel had been negotiating with a group of American evangelicals, including by Mr. Robertson, on a large Christian pilgrimage and tourism center in the hills near the Sea of Galilee, where the Bible says Jesus lived and preached.

Under the proposal, Israel planned to provide at least 35 acres for the Christian Heritage Center and the American evangelicals intended to raise about $50 million for its construction. A theme park, an auditorium and an outdoor theater were part of the plan, reports said.

Israel believes the project would draw large numbers of Christian tourists from around the world and create thousands of jobs in a thinly populated region that the government has long struggled to develop.

But Mr. Robertson upset many Israelis when he suggested that Mr. Sharon's devastating stroke, which he suffered Jan. 4, was divine punishment for pulling Israel out of the Gaza Strip last summer.

"God considers this land to be his," Mr. Robertson said on Jan. 5 on his "700 Club" television program. "For any prime minister of Israel who decides he will carve it up and give it away, God said, 'No, this is mine.' "

"I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course," the evangelist added.

Mr. Robertson also went on to say that Mr. Sharon is a "very likable person and I am sad to see him in this condition."

Christian evangelicals are strong supporters of Israel, and in recent years they have formed alliances with a variety of Israeli groups, particularly those opposed to any territorial concessions to the Palestinians. Israel has generally welcomed the political and financial support despite the theological differences.

"Evangelicals are the best friends of Israel and they are very, very welcome here," Mr. Hartuv said.

The discussions on the tourism project were in an advanced stage, though contracts had not yet been signed, Mr. Hartuv said. Israel will continue to pursue the project, he said, adding that "other leaders of the evangelical community are most welcome to do business with us."

Meanwhile, Mr. Sharon's condition improved slightly today, according to a statement by Jerusalem's Hadassah-Ein Kerem Hospital.

"We are pleased that there are small phases of development in the prime minister's condition," Dr. Yair Birenboim, a senior official at the hospital, told Army Radio.

Doctors have been reducing the level of anesthetic since Monday, with the intention of gradually bringing Mr. Sharon out of his medically induced coma. The prime minister remained lightly sedated today, the statement said.

Mr. Sharon, 77, is out of immediate danger, the doctors say, although they cannot yet assess how much damage he may have suffered.

The campaign for Israel's March 28 national elections have effectively been on hold since the prime minister's stroke a week ago. But the politicking has begun to pick up again.

A poll published today in Israel's Haaretz newspaper found that Mr. Sharon's recently established Kadima party has gained support in the past week despite the almost universal assumption that Mr. Sharon will not return to political life.

Several polls before and just after Mr. Sharon's stroke indicated that Kadima would win about 40 of the 120 seats in Parliament. Today's survey found that his a centrist party would take 44 seats.

Its closest rival, the left-leaning Labor Party, would get 16 seats, and the right-wing Likud party would take 13. The poll questioned 640 voters, but did not provide a margin of error.

In the West Bank, Israeli security forces scuffled in the rain and mud with some 300 Jewish settlers who tried to prevent the dismantling of an unauthorized settlement outpost south of Jerusalem.

The security forces eventually used tear gas to force out protesters who barricaded themselves inside one recently built home at the outpost, near the formal settlement of Neve Daniel. Six protesters were arrested, the police said.

Israel has pledged to remove the West Bank outposts. While it has taken down some, dozens remain, according to monitoring groups.





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[Ocotillo]

When the heck did Ward Churchill get a TV show to expound upon his views? Did Ward Churchill run for President or any other national office as a major candidate for one of the two major political parties?

Ward Churchill is an insignificant boob who was brought to what little prominence he was by the right wing noise machine to use as stick to bash over the head of liberals, as if liberals were parroting Churchill's statements.

Pat Robertson was a major player for the Republican nomination for president when he suprised in Iowa early in the primary season. Pat Robertson gets invited to news programs to discuss his views on certain subjects.

Ward Churchill's notierity is by the hand of the right wing.

Comparing the two is like comparing Tom Tancedo (sp.) to an environmental protester sitting in a tree to protect it.

[gtownspur]

Churchill, like Harry Belafonte, and Cindy Sheehan were all just making the logical point that one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. At one time, Osama Bin Laden was our freedom fighter until he decided to turn his private Jihad against the U.S. and the American people.


Yeah it's a know brainer that the enemy believes they do good, so did hitler. It's quite different to point out that the 911 victims had it coming to them like CHurchill pointed out.


There is no comparison Dan.

[gtownspur]

When the heck did Ward Churchill get a TV show to expound upon his views? Did Ward Churchill run for President or any other national office as a major candidate for one of the two major political parties?

Ward Churchill is an insignificant boob who was brought to what little prominence he was by the right wing noise machine to use as stick to bash over the head of liberals, as if liberals were parroting Churchill's statements.

Pat Robertson was a major player for the Republican nomination for president when he suprised in Iowa early in the primary season. Pat Robertson gets invited to news programs to discuss his views on certain subjects.

Ward Churchill's notierity is by the hand of the right wing.

Comparing the two is like comparing Tom Tancedo (sp.) to an environmental protester sitting in a tree to protect it.


Ward CHurchill was a professor of NAtive American Studies at Colorado U. BUt his influence went beyond ethnic studies. He was a political science guru to many undergraduates, and graduates at the top schools. Ward Churchill has written many books kin to Chomsky.

Pat Robertson's words do not damn innocent victims of 911, and since when did any of you give a flying lick about Sharone.

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Storms Payback From God, Nagin Says

Mayor Faults War, Blacks' Infighting

By Brett Martel
Associated Press
Tuesday, January 17, 2006; A04

NEW ORLEANS, Jan. 16 -- Mayor C. Ray Nagin suggested Monday that hurricanes Katrina and Rita and other storms were a sign that "God is mad at America" -- and at black communities, too, for tearing themselves apart with violence and political infighting.

"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin said as he and other city leaders marked Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

"Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."

Nagin, who is African American, also promised that New Orleans will be a "chocolate" city again. Many of the city's black neighborhoods were heavily damaged by Katrina.

"It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans -- the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "This city will be a majority-African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."

Nagin described an imaginary conversation with King, the late civil rights leader.

"I said, 'What is it going to take for us to move on and live your dream and make it a reality?' He said, 'I don't think that we need to pay attention any more as much about other folks and racists on the other side.' He said, 'The thing we need to focus on as a community -- black folks I'm talking about -- is ourselves.' "

Nagin said he also asked: "Why is black-on-black crime such an issue? Why do our young men hate each other so much that they look their brother in the face and they will take a gun and kill him in cold blood?"

The reply, Nagin said, was "We as a people need to fix ourselves first."

Nagin also said King would have been dismayed with black leaders who are "most of the time tearing each other down publicly for the delight of many."

A day earlier, gunfire erupted at a parade to commemorate King's birthday. Three people were wounded in the daylight shooting amid a throng of mostly black spectators, but police said there were no immediate suspects or witnesses.

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