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Rummpd
01-08-2006, 08:22 PM
Put Eli on the way to Paytonesque standing of choking when it counts after his his with Tennesee and with the Colts (and he will again this year again guaranteed). In Eli's first NFL playoff game big gooseegg - a sign of things to come.

He was a rattled as any quarterback I have seen in a playoff game in a long time period.

Horry For 3!
01-08-2006, 08:30 PM
Eli Manning had no chance....Panthers are on a greater mission than the Giants.

I say that because I picked them to be in the Superbowl before the season :angel

Rummpd
01-08-2006, 08:46 PM
I agree that the Panthers - Bears winner will go to the Superbowl and could surprise - both with damm good defenses. (Seattle will choke and the Redskins roll will be stopped by one of these two teams).

As a Bears fan got to root for them but the Panthers are a very strong team that could take the Bears even on the road. It will depend in large degree on how well Grossman plays - who IMO is an under-rated QB that I am glad to have back.

scott
01-08-2006, 08:55 PM
Bad comparison... because Peyton is good... and Eli just sucks. Color me unimpressed by a 52.8 completion %.

ABDENOUR POWER
01-08-2006, 09:26 PM
Haha, I was thinking about this earlier.

Mannings = regular season players

Obstructed_View
01-08-2006, 11:03 PM
In Eli's first NFL playoff game...
*yawn*

exstatic
01-09-2006, 12:15 AM
I'll wait for more than one game. A young quarterback was put into the position to have to win his first playoff game by himself by a piss poor defense that had him in a hole. Not much of a statistical sample. Burress sucked much worse than Eli. His lazy ass route running directly led to one interception.

Brutalis
01-09-2006, 07:11 AM
I'll wait for more than one game. A young quarterback was put into the position to have to win his first playoff game by himself by a piss poor defense that had him in a hole. Not much of a statistical sample. Burress sucked much worse than Eli. His lazy ass route running directly led to one interception.
Fact.

Extra Stout
01-09-2006, 09:11 AM
Put Eli on the way to Paytonesque standing of choking when it counts after his his with Tennesee and with the Colts (and he will again this year again guaranteed). In Eli's first NFL playoff game big gooseegg - a sign of things to come.

He was a rattled as any quarterback I have seen in a playoff game in a long time period.
In order for Eli to choke, he would have had to be good at some point.

All this stuff about the Giants being "inspired" by his "leadership" is NY media fluff. That team depended upon Tiki Barber and its defense. Against Carolina, the defense was heavily depleted, and Carolina decided to stuff the run and let Eli beat them.

Eli tends to float passes anyway, even when they are completed, but when he's under pressure, he throws off his back foot, and the ball sails -- easy pickings for defensive backs.

Rummpd
01-10-2006, 03:06 PM
And now about Peyton the ultimate choke artist! Good Bye and I feel sorry for him about to take the classy Dungy down with his pansy *&^ Go Steelers


http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=261&Category=7


Quite simply, Manning, as we have long noted, is the Picasso of Choke Artists. Brady, meanwhile, has already proven to be one of the great clutch players in postseason history, a truly transcendent performer who reserves his greatest games for the biggest moments. He has the Super Bowl rings, Super Bowl records and Super Bowl MVP awards to prove it.

For all of Manning’s brilliant regular-season fireworks in recent years, he has simply failed to live up to expectations in the postseason – every single year that he’s been there. That’s right. Every year. Don’t believe us? Come, take a drive down Manning’s postseason memory lane. But roll up the windows and lock the doors. It’s an ugly neighborhood.

1999 – In Manning’s second year in the league he led the Colts to a 13-3 record and an AFC East title while averaging 26.4 PPG in the regular season. In Indy’s first playoff game the Colts hosted wildcard-game winner Tennessee. The Indy defense played well, surrendering just 19 points to a solid offense that averaged 24.5 points per game. But Manning, at home in the dome, put just 16 points on the board, the team’s third lowest output of the season, while completing just 19 of 43 passes for 227 yards and zero touchdowns. Manning’s 60.9 passer rating was his lowest of the entire season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 19-16.

2000 – The Colts went 10-6 behind Manning’s 33 touchdown passes and an offense that averaged 26.8 PPG in the regular season. Indy went to Miami in the wildcard round and its defense played very well, intercepting Jay Fiedler three times and surrendering just 23 points in a game decided in overtime. But Manning struggled against the Dolphins and, in a game that lasted more than 70 minutes, was a non-factor. He completed barely 50 percent of his passes (17 for 32) for just 194 yards and a touchdown. The Colts generated 11 points off Fiedler’s interceptions but put a total of just 17 on the board, 10 points fewer than their regular-season average. It was Indy’s second lowest scoring output of the season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 23-17, in overtime.

2002 – The Colts went 10-6 and drew a gimme in the wildcard round: a 9-7 Jets team with a paper-thin defense that surrendered 336 points that year (Indy boasted the better D, surrendering 313 points). Manning played the single worst statistical game of his entire career (14 for 31, 137 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and a career-low 31.2 passer rating) and failed to put a single point on the board. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 41-0.

2003 – The Colts went 12-4 in the regular season and scored 27.9 PPG. Manning kept it going in Indy’s first two playoff games and was spectacular leading 41-10 and 38-31 victories over Denver and Kansas City. But Manning, facing foul weather and a good defense, returned to his historic postseason form in the AFC title game against New England. Indy’s D again played well under postseason pressure, stifling the Patriots in the red zone and forcing them to settle for five field goals. But Manning tossed four interceptions and posted the third lowest passer rating of his entire career (35.5). Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 24-14.

2004 – The Colts again went 12-4 in the regular season, this time scoring 522 points (32.6 PPG) and entering the playoffs a seemingly unstoppable offensive juggernaut with the fifth-highest scoring offense in NFL history. Manning, of course, set numerous regular season records. Most notably, he tossed 49 touchdown passes while shattering the single-season passer rating record, with a mark of 121.1. It all took a familiar turn for the worse in the playoffs. In a divisional game at New England, the Colts mustered just 3 points – their lowest offensive output since the 2002 playoff loss to the Jets. Once again, Manning played his very worst game of the season in the playoffs, completing 27 of 42 passes for 238 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT and a passer rating of 69.3, his lowest of the year. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 20-3.

You’ll notice a remarkable difference when you look at Brady’s postseason performances. Let’s take a stroll down a much more attractive memory lane. Roll down the windows and caress yourself in the fresh, breezy air of victory.

2001 – In Brady’s first playoff game, and just his 15th NFL start, he crafted one of the great postseason performances by a quarterback in NFL history. Facing a 13-3 fourth-quarter deficit and a blizzard of legendary proportions, Brady was virtually flawless in the fourth quarter and overtime, ran for one touchdown, led a game-tying drive near the end of regulation and went 8 for 8 on New England’s game-winning overtime drive. In some of the most severe conditions in franchise history, Brady completed 32 of 52 passes for 312 yards (with one first-half interception). Did we mention the blizzard? Brady critics are quick to decry the controversial “tuck rule” that overturned a potential late-game fumble by Brady. The call certainly gave New England hope, but it was not a decisive one. The Patriots still needed two scores to win and Brady was virtually flawless when the game counted most. We submit this as the greatest postseason debut by a quarterback in NFL history. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 16-13.

Two weeks later, in just his 17th NFL start, Brady led the only walk-off scoring drive in Super Bowl history. After St. Louis forged a 17-17 tie, New England took over on its own 17 with 81 seconds to play and no timeouts. The football establishment expected New England’s inexperienced QB to take a knee and play for overtime. Instead, Brady completed 5 of 8 passes (one incompletion was an intentional spike) to put New England in range for a decisive field goal. It was the first walk-off, game-winning scoring drive in an NFL championship game since Johnny Unitas led the Baltimore Colts to an overtime victory in 1958. Brady became the youngest quarterback to win a Super Bowl and was named the game’s MVP. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 20-17.

2003 – Brady led the New England offense to 11 points in the final three minutes of Super Bowl XXXVIII – throwing one touchdown to linebacker Mike Vrabel – and lifting the Patriots to another Super Bowl title. New England trailed, 22-21, midway through the fourth quarter. With the NFL title on the line, Brady completed 10 of 13 passes for 103 yards on New England’s final two drives. He ended the game passing for 354 yards and three scores and set a Super Bowl record with 32 completions. In just his fourth year in football, Brady became the youngest quarterback to win two Super Bowls and joined Hall of Famers Starr, Bradshaw and Montana as the only players in NFL history to win multiple Super Bowl MVP awards. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 32-29.

2004 – In a game that should define Brady’s career, the Patriots entered the AFC title game on the road in a hostile arena against a 16-1 Steelers team that boasted the No. 1 scoring defense and No. 1 total defense in all of football, on a frigid night in which the temperatures reached single digits. It was the second-coldest game in Pittsburgh history. Despite the obstacles, Brady calmly picked apart the league’s top defensive unit, completing 14 of 21 passes for 207 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and a passer rating of 130.5 – his highest of the season. The 41 points he helped engineer were the most scored against the Steelers since Week Two of the 2003 season. Later, we found out Brady was bed-ridden in his hotel room the night before the game, with a temperature of 103 and with IV needles stuck in his arm. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 41-27.

Brady picked up where he left off two weeks later in Super Bowl XXXIX. Facing a 15-3 Philly team that boasted the No. 2 scoring defense in football, Brady was again flawless and again reserved one of his best performances of the year for the season’s biggest games and toughest opponents. He completed 23 of 33 passes for 236 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs and a 110.2 passer rating – the second highest rating allowed by the Eagles defense all season. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 24-21.

The chasm of Cold, Hard Football Facts separating each player’s postseason performances could not be more dramatic. Manning has appeared in five NFL postseasons, compiled a 3-5 record despite leading one of the most prolific offenses in football each season, choked at least once each postseason and posted a cumulative passer rating of 55.4 in his five playoff losses (100 for 195, 1,033 yards, 2 TDs, 7 INTs). Four times in five seasons in which he’s made the playoffs, Manning recorded his single worst statistical game of the year in the postseason (1999, 2002, 2003, 2004). Two of the three worst statistical games of his career (31.2 and 35.5 passer ratings) came in the playoffs.

In five playoff losses during the Manning era, the Colts have scored just 10.0 PPG

Adios, soon Colts! :elephant :smokin

Rummpd
01-12-2006, 06:36 PM
Yeh right, Brady 10-0 in big games and Peyton including Tennessee in college has been historically inept!

Do not be surprised to see Payton be outplayed big time by Big Ben this weekend!

Despot
01-12-2006, 06:43 PM
I really don't like the patriots........but I would not mind Indy and the pats matching up again, and having the pats torture peyton again......

Rummpd
01-15-2006, 02:26 PM
This so predictable, 14-3 right now, Big Ben outplaying Peyton!

hussker
01-15-2006, 02:32 PM
I agree that the Panthers - Bears winner will go to the Superbowl and could surprise - both with damm good defenses. (Seattle will choke and the Redskins roll will be stopped by one of these two teams).



Might want to rethink this prediction...

Rummpd
01-15-2006, 02:37 PM
Give Seattle credit for stepping up but this thread was primarily about the Mannings and the Giants and Colts.

By the way, I still see the Bears (albeit after a stout test today with the Panthers) winning over Seattle although Hasselbeck proved he can step up and it will be a tough one. He stepped up in a way Peyton Manning has not!