Another great incident in the "Hip Hop" NBA

[T Park]

Tough guys Ray Allen and Keyon Dooling got into a fight wich spilled over and had them smashing fans in the front row.


Good job guys.


Suspend both of these claudes for the rest of the year.


No excepptions.

[Leetonidas]

WTF? I gotta see this.

[CharlieMac]

I don't think this had to do with hip-hop, just testosterone.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Little Ray Allan hit someone???

[Leetonidas]

Ah, nothing on TV right now.

[Kori Ellis]

They actually got in a fight???

Pushes? Punches? or just words?

[T Park]

Ah, nothing on TV right now.

Im watching Sonics Magic.

Believe me. It happened.

[T Park]

Dooling shoved Allen to the floor.

Allen tackled Dooling INTO the crowd.

When seperated Dooling and Allen were throwin punches.

[Leetonidas]

Im watching Sonics Magic.

Believe me. It happened.

Damn lazy eyed bastard Stuart Scott is talking about Duke or something.

[T Park]

Oh I forgot.

when being lead through the tunnel, Dooling tried to escape the guards and run over to the Sonic's dressing room, but was stopped.

[Kori Ellis]

Associated Press

SEATTLE -- Seattle SuperSonics guard Ray Allen and Orlando's Keyon Dooling were ejected for fighting during the second quarter of Wednesday night's game.

Allen and Dooling got into a scuffle with 10:53 left in the second quarter and Seattle holding a 33-24 lead.

After Orlando's Jameer Nelson missed, Allen pulled down the rebound and replays showed that he caught a glancing blow in the chin from Dooling forearm.

At the other end of the floor, the two collided as Seattle ran a set play and Allen appeared to give Dooling a short elbow to the chest before running along the baseline. Dooling went running at Allen and pushed him to the ground. Allen got up and tackled Dooling into the first row of seats along the sideline and onto some fans. The two briefly scuffled and television replays showed Dooling throwing a punch at Allen that did not connect. The two were eventually separated with Orlando's Stacey Augmon pulling Allen away from Dooling.

Underneath the stands, Dooling briefly ran toward the Sonics locker room and was seen yelling at Allen, but team officials and police kept the two apart.

Dooling was scoreless in three minutes of play, while Allen had just one point in eight minutes.

[T Park]

Texas Ball, watch NBA TV

Sportscenter wont work this in for a while.

[T Park]

television replays showed Dooling throwing a punch

I believe Allen threw one too.

Maybe not.

The Sonic's broadcast has tried to push it under the carpet so to speak.

[CharlieMac]

I guess Ray Allen should cut back on the "Bruce plays sissy ball" talk now.

[Leetonidas]

I don't have NBA TV on this TV...

[T Park]

^^^ pick up the couch cushins, its only like 3 bucks a month.

More than worth it.

[CharlieMac]

You can bet your ass NBA TV gets cancelled in the summer in this house. I can't deal with those WNBA games.

[T Park]

Not to get off topic but,

Craig Ehlo just shot up this scud of a horrible take

"See, thats more of that pressing, hard nosed defense Bob HIll has been preaching"


EH!?!!??

:rollin

[Kori Ellis]

Is Ray Allen part of the "Hip Hop" NBA?

[T Park]

You can bet your ass NBA TV gets cancelled in the summer in this house

You miss alot of press conferences then dontcha.

[Kori Ellis]

Not to get off topic but,

Craig Ehlo just shot up this scud of a horrible take

"See, thats more of that pressing, hard nosed defense Bob HIll has been preaching"


EH!?!!??

:rollin

I know. :lol

Bob Hill was actually their defensive specialist in training camp along with Brendan Malone.

[T Park]

Is Ray Allen part of the "Hip Hop" NBA?

No, but Keyon Dooling is.


Nice little pose he strikes after knocking down Ray Allen....

[T Park]

Bob Hill was actually their defensive specialist in training camp along with Brendan Malone

And people wonder what has happened to the Sonics this year?!?!

[TDMVPDPOY]

did gayray slapt instead of throwin a punch at dooly?

[ahb]

http://cctvimedia.clearchannel.com/woai/parkerrap.jpg
http://www.deadspin.com/sports/tonyparkershirtless.jpg

[T Park]

does tony flex or knock people on their ass, or get in trouble.....


Sob Parker...... :rollin


Hes becoming Ruben Patterson overnight.

Way to go EVA!!













IM kidding ladies, chill.

[ShoogarBear]

Ouch. That's . . . um . . . yikes. I hope that's photoshopped, not real.

[Kori Ellis]

You are right, TPark - they both threw punches (I just saw the replay).

Keyon saying Fuck Your Mama in the tunnel was funny. :lol

[T Park]

Kenyon saying Fuck Your Mama in the tunnel was funny

lol

i saw that too.

Wich made me WISH, I knew what they had said PRIOR to saying this.

[T Park]

two questions for the Sonics

1. Why havent you given a contract extension to Radmonovic

2. Why the fuck did you draft Robert Swift

[T Park]

lol

Bob Hill must really think, adjusting his suit coat, glasses, and whistling, makes him look like a REAL head coach.

[Kori Ellis]

two questions for the Sonics

1. Why havent you given a contract extension to Radmonovic

2. Why the fuck did you draft Robert Swift

1. They offered Radmanovic a HUGE overpriced extension this past summer (5 years/50M - including incentives) and he turned it down. He thinks he's worth more than that :lmao

2. ???

[CubanMustGo]

two questions for the Sonics

1. Why havent you given a contract extension to Radmonovic

2. Why the fuck did you draft Robert Swift

3. What were you thinking when you let Nate McMillan go?

4. What were you thinking when you gave crochety old Bob Weiss a chance to coach again?

5. What were you thinking when you replaced him with equally crochety old Bob Hill? Since when did coaching at Fordham prepare someone for a gig in the L?

6. WTF are you going to do if your homey Allen gets busted with a big ass suspension after tonight?

Gee, this is fun ...

[T Park]

They offered Radmanovic a HUGE overpriced extension this past summer (5 years/50M - including incentives) and he turned it down. He thinks he's worth more than that

Good god....


What were you thinking when you replaced him with equally crochety old Bob Hill


Jack Sikma aint ready yet.


WTF are you going to do if your homey Allen gets busted with a big ass suspension after tonight

play tank mcnamara.

[T Park]

???

you know.

Swift.

The pasty guy that makes Beno Udrih and Rasho Nesterovic look like Stockton and Malone.

[missyy0867]

when are they gonna show it??

[Kori Ellis]

you know.

Swift.

The pasty guy that makes Beno Udrih and Rasho Nesterovic look like Stockton and Malone.

:lmao I know who he is. I'm saying that I have no answer to that ??

He actually asked them to send him down to the DLeague a few weeks ago but they haven't done it.

[T Park]

lol what channell are you watching Missyyy

[leemajors]

^^^ pick up the couch cushins, its only like 3 bucks a month.

More than worth it.

i have time warner cable, they worked in the sports package deal and gave me a discount for having movie pack, digi cable and sports pack. ended up paying less per month by adding nba tv...

[missyy0867]

espn!

[angel_luv]

Wow

[T Park]

He actually asked them to send him down to the DLeague a few weeks ago but they haven't done it

Yeah, I heard that during the Knicks Sonics game sunday afternoon.

I sat there thinking.

Dude, the A league maybe.......

Sorry, thought I had typed his first name wrong.


When did they draft Swift, 04???

Id love to see the list of guys these dumbarses passed up to draft the skinny tall Bill Curly.

[Kori Ellis]

espn!

Keep watching. They'll show it again soon.

[T Park]

i have time warner cable, they worked in the sports package deal and gave me a discount for having movie pack, digi cable and sports pack. ended up paying less per month by adding nba tv...




bitchin.

I have DirecTV and added it on like I said for like 3 bucks a month.

League pass and that channel is all that graces my TV from September through June.

[missyy0867]

now there showin a nfl show

[angel_luv]

This just in.. Angel does not get enough sports channels!!!! :pctoss

[T Park]

switch it to NBA TV missyy

[angel_luv]

now there showin a nfl show


I know!!!!!! I'm so mad! I wanna see the fight!

[missyy0867]

me too!!!! and i dont have nba tv i asked my dad once and he just laughed

[T Park]

your dad is obviously a terrorist supporting communist.



Im kidding of course.

[Obstructed_View]

It's funny that there are 20 fights a night in the NHL, and none of them even make the news, but if two NBA players get into a fight, it's automatically a sign of what cheap thugs they are. At least ESPN's priorities are in the right place; top story was Kobe scoring fifty points and losing again. A half hour ago they actually said "Lakers are losing to the Blazers, but there's plenty of time for Kobe to get 48."

[angel_luv]

me too!!!! and i dont have nba tv i asked my dad once and he just laughed




I wish there was a way to pick my 99 cable channels.

[T Park]

omg

the Lakers are losing to the Blazers.....



It's funny that there are 20 fights a night in the NHL

Their fights are part of the game, and they dont, if rarely spill into the crowd.




but if two NBA players get into a fight, it's automatically a sign of what cheap thugs they are

you dont think Ron Artest and Keyon Dooling, are cheap thugs?!?

interesting.

[T Park]

(watching the Lakers Blazers now)

Travis Outlaw bobble head doll night?!?!?!

Are the Blazers THAT desperate?!?!?

[missyy0867]

I wish there was a way to pick my 99 cable channels.

yaaaa! id switch it with that weird sci fi channel

that woulda been a good xmas present!dangit! :bang !

[T Park]

yeah, the sci fi channel is on Directv too.

Its pretty much worthless I agree.

[Kori Ellis]

I think it should be coming on ESPN next. They are going into NBA Fast Break after the commercial.

[CubanMustGo]

That's because there's so little excitement in the NHL they have to allow fights to keep fan interest up. They could stop it any time if they wanted to, instead they are basically the WWF-lite.

Only 41 for Kobe. 3-13 from three point range. They lost, too.

[T Park]

they are basically the WWF-lite

I don't think so tim...

[angel_luv]

I think it should be coming on ESPN next. They are going into NBA Fast Break after the commercial.


Jerry! Jerry! :elephant :lol

[missyy0867]

wooooooo

[angel_luv]

Coming up Missy!

[Obstructed_View]

Their fights are part of the game, and they dont, if rarely spill into the crowd.
Wow. Two absurd points for the price of one. The only reason their fights are part of the game is because it's allowed. Until you get a point for it, it ain't part of the game. The only reason it doesn't spill into the crowd is because of that giant pane of plexiglass separating it.


you dont think Ron Artest and Keyon Dooling, are cheap thugs?!?

interesting.
What's Ron Artest have to do with the fight tonight? I've seen Ray Allen throw punches and elbows when nobody's looking. If he did it to Keyon Dooling, he deserved to get his ass kicked. You can do that to Bruce Bowen and get away with it because Bruce won't let you take him out of his game. A minor player for a bad team will lose his cool and body slam your ass. How does that make him a cheap thug? He didn't run into the crowd and attack the smallest guy he could find. In fact, he waited until they got pulled up from the chairs to throw a punch. Ray had already been swinging in the middle of the fans and had switched to kicking by that point.

[missyy0867]

Coming up Missy!
:spin

[T Park]

A minor player for a bad team will lose his cool and body slam your ass. How does that make him a cheap thug

because body slamming a guy PERIOD, makes you a cheap thug.


You don't like hockey, we get it. Move on.

[angel_luv]

Blah blah! Come on already!

[missyy0867]

yeahhh really! show me the good stuff!

[Gerryatrics]

At least none of the fans got involved. Fortunately it stayed in the front row, those are the rich Seattleites that get courtside seats because they're rich and that's what they do. It's a social thing.

Swift was a horrible pick, I was there at the draft party and the crowd was booing when they announced the selection. I hadn't even heard of him, I had to read his bio on the Sonics website to figure out who he was.

Radmanovic is a lost cause at this point. He likes to play SF, but Rashard Lewis plays SF. He's a bust at PF because he likes to stand around the perimeter and very rarely takes it to the hoop, not to mention an almost total lack of a post-up game and similer lack of defense. He's not happy coming in off the bench, and he always whining about playing time. He was offered a large contract, but fortunately for the Sonics he turned it down. The Sonics need to unload him, but the front office is so inept they're not going to be able to get anything decent, if anything at all, for him. For all I know they're still trying to make him work for the Sonics, they added him to the starting lineup tonight, but at this point, he isn't worth it.

[Mr. Body]

What the hell does this have to do with "hip hop"?

Uh, yeah... so hip hop of Kermit Washington to have slugged Tomjanovich.

Hockey's been extremely hip hop ever since it was invented. That dude from South Carolina beating the other guy on the floor of the Senate before the Civil War, so damn hip hop.

[missyy0867]

oh come onnn i hate when ppl do that they say somthins next and it ends up being like the last thing they show, they do that on et hollywood entertainment allllll the time

[angel_luv]

ESPN- extremely stupid people nightly?

[Obstructed_View]

because body slamming a guy PERIOD, makes you a cheap thug.


You don't like hockey, we get it. Move on.
Actually, I love hockey. Fighting in the NBA was more accepted at one time until a guy was almost killed. Guys are going to lose their tempers from time to time, but I'm not sure why you think it's okay for Ray to do the stuff he does, but somehow fighting back makes a guy a thug. For that matter, why is an NBA player more of a thug than an NHL player when the NHL player gets into a fight every night?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Everyone's favorite candy ass gets in a fight and I have to sit through Knicks highlights? WTF?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Actually, I love hockey. Fighting in the NBA was more accepted at one time until a guy was almost killed. Guys are going to lose their tempers from time to time, but I'm not sure why you think it's okay for Ray to do the stuff he does, but somehow fighting back makes a guy a thug. For that matter, why is an NBA player more of a thug than an NHL player when the NHL player gets into a fight every night?


Kermit and Rudy T?

EDIT: I see it above...

[T Park]

What the hell does this have to do with "hip hop"?

Uh, yeah... so hip hop of Kermit Washington to have slugged Tomjanovich.

Hockey's been extremely hip hop ever since it was invented. That dude from South Carolina beating the other guy on the floor of the Senate before the Civil War, so damn hip hop.

very defensive.......



Radmanovic is a lost cause at this point. He likes to play SF, but Rashard Lewis plays SF. He's a bust at PF because he likes to stand around the perimeter and very rarely takes it to the hoop, not to mention an almost total lack of a post-up game and similer lack of defense. He's not happy coming in off the bench, and he always whining about playing time. He was offered a large contract, but fortunately for the Sonics he turned it down. The Sonics need to unload him, but the front office is so inept they're not going to be able to get anything decent, if anything at all, for him. For all I know they're still trying to make him work for the Sonics, they added him to the starting lineup tonight, but at this point, he isn't worth it.



Brent Barry.

Straight up.

Right now.


I gaurantee his lack of defense is called c o a c h i n g

[T Park]

but I'm not sure why you think it's okay for Ray to do the stuff he does

Didnt say it was OK, but it doesnt make it better to want to drop kick a guy to the floor cause he "hit you with a bow"

Gotta be more grown up than that.

Follow Bruce Bowen's creed/

Shake it off and play ball.



why is an NBA player more of a thug than an NHL player when the NHL player gets into a fight every night?

I dont know.

This is a basketball forum and you brought hockey into this.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Eh, that was it?

Nice form on the tackle...

[angel_luv]

And it's over.

[Obstructed_View]

Didnt say it was OK, but it doesnt make it better to want to drop kick a guy to the floor cause he "hit you with a bow"

Gotta be more grown up than that.

Follow Bruce Bowen's creed/

Shake it off and play ball.

No, I agree with you on that, but Ray isn't harmless in this; you can't just throw elbows at anyone and not expect an ass-kicking at some point. It's like throwing the bird in traffic; eventually you'll do it to the wrong person.

[missyy0867]

was that all or did they just not show it all? seein dooling run over to the sonics locker room was pretty funny i must admit

[missyy0867]

i still got math hw to do...grrrr coulda done it in that hour i wasted waitin for the fight

[T Park]

No, I agree with you on that, but Ray isn't harmless in this; you can't just throw elbows at anyone and not expect an ass-kicking at some point. It's like throwing the bird in traffic; eventually you'll do it to the wrong person.

No question.

But, if tossing in the occassional elbow here and there without the refs seeing it, and taking a poke at a guy's stomach when he shoots a jumper gets you an edge like it did with Mario Elie and Jerome Kersey??

Ehhhhh gahh ahead.... :)

[T Park]

Yeah all the games are over.

Switichin to NBA TV.....

BTW, why does Dee Lynam have a job?

Cause her daddy is a former coach?

Or no relation?

[Obstructed_View]

No question.

But, if tossing in the occassional elbow here and there without the refs seeing it, and taking a poke at a guy's stomach when he shoots a jumper gets you an edge like it did with Mario Elie and Jerome Kersey??

Ehhhhh gahh ahead.... :)
Yep. That's the way I was taught to play basketball. If a guy is worried that you are going to put an elbow in his ribs when both of you go up for a rebound, he's not concentrating on getting the rebound. I don't think that's what Ray Allen was doing, though. He has had delusions that he's an elite player for far too long. It looks like he'll have a month or so to watch "He got game" on DVD. As a Spurs fan who watched Bruce take those shots from Ray Ray and then listening to him talk about how dirty Bruce is, I'm glad someone finally went postal on him.

[T Park]

Yeah.

I dont like to admit this, but Id love to see Ray Allen bagging threes on kick outs from Duncan though...

He definately would be on my goodside then.

[ambchang]

So is the NBA going to ban suits and ties this summer? You know, eliminate the corporate look that is so associated with on court violence, like American Psycho.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah.

I dont like to admit this, but Id love to see Ray Allen bagging threes on kick outs from Duncan though...

He definately would be on my goodside then.
But one would like to see Barry bagging threes on kickouts from Duncan, if he actually hit them.

[T Park]

If he actually SHOT them.

No one would be happier than me to see Brent Barry bagging threes.

But, when he DOES shoot them, theres just no like confidence.

Its horrible.

[velik_m]

1. They offered Radmanovic a HUGE overpriced extension this past summer (5 years/50M - including incentives) and he turned it down. He thinks he's worth more than that :lmao


wasn't it more of an issue starting? he turned them down, because he wanted to play somewhere where he will start...

[Kori Ellis]

wasn't it more of an issue starting? he turned them down, because he wanted to play somewhere where he will start...

No, he made it clear it was about money. He thinks he can get a 60M contract on the open market ... he didn't even get another offer this past summer when he was restricted.

[boutons_]

"Ray Allen bagging threes on kick outs from Duncan though..."

Amazing because we see him make so many, Ray is actually only 90th in the league in 3G% @ 37.4%. We must remember his 3Gs and forgive/forget his Misses.

Brent, Bruce, Manu all shoot better than 3G% than Ray.

[Nephets]

Waiting for the video to appear online...

[Slomo]

No, he made it clear it was about money. He thinks he can get a 60M contract on the open market ... he didn't even get another offer this past summer when he was restricted.Both he and his agent need to seek counselling. Illusions of grandeur can be dangerous...

[TDMVPDPOY]

Is it true that rayallen ran away from dolly in the locker room when dolly ran after him nowhere to found?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260111025

if you install ESPNmotion for free you can see some of the fight in that clip

[Taco]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=694115


Make sure you catch Sportscenter tonight, Ray was swinging his purse like a woman possessed. :lol
:lmao

[SequSpur]

How is this related to Hip Hop Tpark? Back in the day, there used to be fights in almost every game, prior to hip hop. You ever watched the old Pistons?

You're stupid.

[T Park]

How is this related to Hip Hop Tpark? Back in the day, there used to be fights in almost every game, prior to hip hop. You ever watched the old Pistons?

You're stupid

And you have the mind of a 12 year old.

[velik_m]

Both he and his agent need to seek counselling. Illusions of grandeur can be dangerous...

indeed! :lol

[Despot]

So, what kind of suspensions do you all think they are they looking at?

I vaguely remember that when Stern justified keeping out Artest for the year, he said that involving the fans in an altercation at any level, deliberate or not, would result in harsh punishment. I guess we shall see, and anything less than 30 games or so will probably bring Artest out of hiding to vent.

I still haven't seen the clip, so i'm not sure how serious it was.

[boutons_]

Ron-opath went into the stands to go after fans.

Ray and friend fell into the stands accidentally while quite aggressively going after each other. This wasn't a Vince-style slappy-slappy kidding.

I figure several games suspended for each.

[Obstructed_View]

If he actually SHOT them.
I stand corrected. Seeing him pass up a three when he's open makes me want to kill him. He might get out of his shooting slump if he'd just shoot the goddamn ball.

[FromWayDowntown]

I still don't see a hip-hop element in any of this. Is it because two black NBA players got into a fight? Would it have been a hip-hop incident if, say, Darius Songalia and Eduardo Najera (or Nick Collison and Pat Garrity) had done the precise same thing? Was the Brad Miller incident with Shaquille a few years ago a hip-hop incident?

Players fight. As several other posters have pointed out, that's not new. I don't see how you can attribute fighting in the context of a basketball game to a hip-hop influence.

[Despot]

Everyone is putting too much into the Hip Hop in the tile, it's irrelevant.

Besides, it says Hip Hop NBA, not Hip Hop incident. For the most part, the NBA is seen as Hip Hop, hence the dress code. The actions and attitudes of most of the Superstars are Hip Hop, on & off the court.
I think the person who titled it was thinking that incidents like this, especially between two black athletes is perpetuating the idea that there is a correlation between the NBA and the Hip Hop genre, and that the hip hop genre is dangerous. (I'm not here to argue whether it is, or isn't). And as long as the NBA is afraid of this we will be stuck listening to Rob Thomas at every commercial break, and Elton John as a halftime show at the all star game.

[FromWayDowntown]

Everyone is putting too much into the Hip Hop in the tile, it's irrelevant.

Besides, it says Hip Hop NBA, not Hip Hop incident. For the most part, the NBA is seen as Hip Hop, hence the dress code. The actions and attitudes of most of the Superstars are Hip Hop, on & off the court.
I think the person who titled it was thinking that incidents like this, especially between two black athletes is perpetuating the idea that there is a correlation between the NBA and the Hip Hop genre, and that the hip hop genre is dangerous. (I'm not here to argue whether it is, or isn't). And as long as the NBA is afraid of this we will be stuck listening to Rob Thomas at every commercial break, and Elton John as a halftime show at the all star game.

Would the term "Hip Hop" have appeared in the title of the thread if the fight had been between Collison and Garrity or between Allen and Turkoglu?

[T Park]

Ohhh,

so its a race thing.

Love how people like to bait me as a racist.

[Kori Ellis]

Ohhh,

so its a race thing.

Love how people like to bait me as a racist.

I don't think anyone is doing that.

People just don't see what Ray Allen and Keyon Dooling fighting has to do with the Hip Hop community.

Were they listening to the evil messages of Notorious BIG by playing his album backwards before the game?

[T Park]

lol

man FWD is just HOPING im look at the race angle aint he??

Damn.....

[T Park]

Is Allen Iverson not influenced by the hip hop community.

The way dooling talked about "Not getting my respect"


Whatever.

[FromWayDowntown]

lol

man FWD is just HOPING im look at the race angle aint he??

Damn.....

No, I'm not.

I'm just wondering, though, why you choose to point to that incident as having some hip-hop element to it. I don't see fights between NBA players as evidencing any sort of hip-hop element, but then again, I don't see the hip-hop element as a bad thing.

[T Park]

I don't see the hip-hop element as a bad thing.

of course not

the way allen iverson and Kenyon Martin act, are great influences on kids.

[ShoogarBear]

Do you even know what hip hop is, T Park?

Tom Brady talked last week about not getting respect. Is he hip hop?

[T Park]

Im just some dumb white guy, so what would I know right?

[Despot]

This title was not born out of racism, it's stereotyping. Wrong or not, everyone does it.

When some people see that fight, they want to associate it with something or blame it on something. And because of the image the NBA has, which they gave themselves and now are trying to rid themselves of, alot of people think of the P Diddy experience. What are they gonna do, blame it on the rednecks? No. When Malone was an ass all those years, did people blame the Mormons? No. Can all albino children read minds? No. When a crazy religious woman is missing her children, did she do it? Yes
What really happened is something that goes back to the dawn of man, you hit me? I hit you back.

However, Everyone does not imagine these athletes going to their accountant, or playing horse with their children, I guarantee that is much more the case than alot of people think. Look what Wilt did to the image of the NBA in that era, everyone thought that the night life of NBA players was one big traveling orgy.

Example : I for one think of the movie Aliens every time I see Sam Cassell.

[T Park]

Everyone does not imagine these athletes going to their accountant, or playing horse with their children

I do with the Spurs guys and others like Grant Hill, Tracy Mcgrady, Jason Kidd.


Bu now Im "stereotyping"

interesting.

[Despot]

Francis suspended for 'conduct detrimental to team'

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2289923


Same Orlando team, Bunch of thugs.....

[Despot]

I do with the Spurs guys and others like Grant Hill, Tracy Mcgrady, Jason Kidd.


Bu now Im "stereotyping"

interesting.

Everyone needs to ask themselves if they think Ricky Williams is a nut after all the stuff he did last year. If you say Yes, you might be a stereotyper.

[Shiner Bock Girl]

Keep watching. They'll show it again soon.


http://www.nba.com/ They have the replay on nba broadband if you click on game highlights of Sonics/Magic.

[FromWayDowntown]

of course not

the way allen iverson and Kenyon Martin act, are great influences on kids.

Sure. Bad influences are, of course, confined to the hip-hop culture.

[Despot]

Sure. Bad influences are, of course, confined to the hip-hop culture.

No, but do everyones kids stay up at night watching stock qoutes? Analyzing Martha Stewarts financial discretions. Or carry around calculators hoping to be execs at Enron or Worldcom? My point is that kids are watching basketball and are into the hip hop culture, so these things have the possibility to influence them.

It's kind of like those Peyton commercials where he is asking all these average Joe's for autographs, All those average joes are possibly breaking the law, but it does not impact kids, cause they don't associate with those ppl or idolize them.

I've always wondered what the ratio is of players from the NBA that get in trouble, or from the NFL, NHL, MLB. Seems to me that while the NBA has the smallest player pool, there is alot more news about it's players getting into trouble with the law than all the other leagues.

[Kori Ellis]

Dooling and Allen suspended for fighting

Ray Allen was suspended for three games Friday for his role in a fight with Magic guard Keyon Dooling on Wednesday.

Dooling will sit out five games for the fight and trying to confront Allen after the game.

Damien Wilkins will start in place of Allen on Friday against the Heat in Seattle.

Allen and Dooling got into a scuffle with 10:53 left in the second quarter and Seattle holding a 33-24 lead.

"I definitely regret what happened ... but it seemed as though it was unavoidable," Allen told reporters on Thursday. "It was almost like I was attacked and, you know, I responded in a way that I think any individual, any man or woman, would respond," said Allen, who is known for his calm demeanor.

"Most people thought that I was this kind, even tempered, mild-mannered individual -- and I am for the most part -- but there is a line. My buttons can be pushed."

After Orlando's Jameer Nelson missed, Allen pulled down the rebound and replays showed that he caught a glancing blow in the chin from Dooling's forearm.

At the other end of the floor, the two collided as Seattle ran a set play and Allen appeared to give Dooling a short elbow to the chest. Dooling went running at Allen and pushed him to the ground. Allen got up and tackled Dooling into the first row of seats along the sideline and onto some fans.

The two briefly scuffled and television replays showed Dooling throwing a punch at Allen that did not connect. The two were eventually separated with Orlando's Stacey Augmon pulling Allen away from Dooling.

Underneath the stands, Dooling briefly ran toward the Sonics locker room and was seen yelling at Allen, but team officials and police kept the two apart.

"Basketball is an emotional game," Dooling said on Wednesday night. "Sometimes you don't think, you just react and tonight was one of those nights."

Dooling was scoreless in three minutes of play, while Allen had just one point in eight minutes.

"I thought Ray did the right thing staying on the ground and Dooling came back at him. At some point you have to protect yourself," Seattle coach Bob Hill said.

"I thought Ray handled it as well as he could. And if Ray didn't handle himself that way, I'd say it," he said.