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Dos
01-13-2006, 04:15 PM
Sparks fly over flyover at MLK march

Web Posted: 01/13/2006 12:00 AM CST


Lisa Marie Gómez
Express-News Staff Writer

A bitter dispute over the planned military flyover at Monday's Martin Luther King march has split peace activists, longtime march supporters and East Side community members, and could result in a smaller turnout for what has been the nation's largest MLK march.



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MLK march route

Some opponents of the flyover are calling for a boycott of the march, while others plan to attend with bandanas over their mouths and black and yellow ribbons around their arms in a show of protest.

Two fighter jets from the 99th Flying Training Squadron at Randolph AFB will zoom over Pittman-Sullivan Park at noon at the end of the nearly three-mile march from Martin Luther King Drive to Iowa Street.

While some say the flyover will provide a patriotic flair to the march during a time of war, others say it will represent support for the war — something King would not approve of.

The Rev. Herman Price, chairman of the city's MLK Commission, said the flyover was meant to honor King, and he is dismayed by the divisiveness it has caused.

"It all depends on how you look at it," Price said Thursday. "They say the planes represent war and bombs and death, but at the same time those planes can also represent our freedom and peace."

But City Councilwoman Patti Radle, who objected to the flyover in a letter to the editor in Wednesday's Express-News, doesn't see it that way.

"War is a different system working for peace. Martin Luther King was not part of that system," she said.

City Councilwoman Sheila McNeil, whose district includes the march route, contented the flyover is exactly what King would have wanted.

"I think that the military plays too significant of a role in our community for us to ignore them and not include them in this march," she said. "They are the reason why we have peace, and this is MLK's peace march."

The dispute has been brewing since November, when someone brought up the idea for a flyover at an MLK Commission meeting. Commissioners voted for a motion to add the flyover, though it's unclear whether the issue was placed on the agenda.

As word of the flyover spread throughout the community, some peace activists became upset and banded together through e-mails and meetings.

Many opponents of the flyover, including Radle, said they might skip the event.

A flier distributed at City Hall on Thursday urged people to boycott the march.

"San Antonio's MLK march, one of the largest in the nation, is absolutely the wrong event for a military flyover," P.C. McKinnon wrote in an e-mail to the Express-News. "Would it have been appropriate to have a flyover at Dr. King's funeral? I think not."

McKinnon said he won't take his family to the march.

Tommy Calvert Jr., an East Side activist, said when he tried to rescind the flyover decision at an MLK commission meeting Monday, Price would not allow it.

"I think I'm going to wear a gag bandana in my mouth since I was not allowed to call a vote on the floor in solidarity with the dozens of people who were there to overturn the vote," Calvert said. "If you're going to honor Dr. King, you have to honor the nonviolent point. It's fundamental."

He added that no one in the peace movement wants to keep the military from marching.

"But a fighter jet is not a soldier," he said. "Dr. King said that you lay down your arms at the table of brotherhood. A fighter jet is an arm."

Jane Tuck, who attended the meeting with Calvert, said she told the group the flyover would be antithetical to the beliefs of King and his work.

Others joined in, and the meeting soon turned sour.

"It got to be a very ugly meeting," said Tuck, a member of a pacifist organization.


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Dos
01-13-2006, 04:16 PM
I guess US pilots are not americans.. and don't represent america... it's a sad day in military town San Antonio...

Oh, Gee!!
01-13-2006, 04:38 PM
they have a valid point

boutons_
01-13-2006, 05:00 PM
If MLK march was commeorating a military event, then let the flyboys have their fun, waste a $1M on fuel.

So, is the MLK march a military march?

The militarism has its role, but it's role is not in every fucking human activity.

xrayzebra
01-13-2006, 05:33 PM
they have a valid point

They do?

Oh, Gee!!
01-13-2006, 05:35 PM
If MLK march was commeorating a military event, then let the flyboys have their fun, waste a $1M on fuel.

So, is the MLK march a military march?

The militarism has its role, but it's role is not in every fucking human activity.


congratulations, you have just exercised your right to express yourself freely. cue the jets.

Spurminator
01-13-2006, 06:03 PM
But we still support our troops.

Mixability
01-13-2006, 06:09 PM
just bomb them during the flyover for not caring about the flyover.








:lol

Vashner
01-13-2006, 06:09 PM
I don't think it's appropriate and I am as hardcore warmonger as they come.

I don't think they explained it properly as far as objecting to it. For there would be no freedom and Dr. King would NEVER of had a voice if not for the rifle and blade of the civil war. And wars before that even the Alamo.

This very city was founded in Battle of freedom. Col Travis stood his ground against 4000 nme troops for our future...

But the King march is NOT the right time for a show of power.

I could see an ROTC march.. a military band .. honor guard 21 gun salute etc..

But F16's and burners is kinda.. out of place.

Dos
01-13-2006, 09:26 PM
Two fighter jets from the 99th Flying Training Squadron.. yes two pilot trainer planes are a show of power..... sheesh... I am sure it would never be a problem had this been planes from the great military strikes ordered on Kosovo by the Clinton admin.

CharlieMac
01-13-2006, 10:00 PM
Some opponents of the flyover are calling for a boycott of the march, while others plan to attend with bandanas over their mouths and black and yellow ribbons around their arms in a show of protest.

Protesting at a march. Who'd of thunk it?

Dr. King was against the Vietnam War, not the military in general. I don''t even know how one equates to the other. Humanity's stupidity and their ability to bring politics into every single event on this planet never ceases to amaze me.

E20
01-13-2006, 10:09 PM
I don't think it's appropriate and I am as hardcore warmonger as they come.

I don't think they explained it properly as far as objecting to it. For there would be no freedom and Dr. King would NEVER of had a voice if not for the rifle and blade of the civil war. And wars before that even the Alamo.

This very city was founded in Battle of freedom. Col Travis stood his ground against 4000 nme troops for our future...

But the King march is NOT the right time for a show of power.

I could see an ROTC march.. a military band .. honor guard 21 gun salute etc..

But F16's and burners is kinda.. out of place.
My history textbook said it was a 2 day massacre.

SA210
01-13-2006, 11:51 PM
And wars before that even the Alamo.

This very city was founded in Battle of freedom. Col Travis stood his ground against 4000 nme troops for our future...

Oh yea, San Antonio used to be Mexico huh? How dare those Mexican border jumping pieces of trash try to come to land that was once theirs and belonged to them.

Vashner
01-13-2006, 11:53 PM
Sounds like the liberal edition.. Not to hyjack a good thread about Dr. King you need to brush up on your Alamo history.

FrankWhite
01-13-2006, 11:53 PM
if there is not a big turnout, or if people are lazy and don't want to go, now they have a reason to point the finger at.

this march is about freedom and liberation of the african american people. freedom and liberation...hmmmm...shit sound familiar don't it.

E20
01-14-2006, 12:12 AM
Sounds like the liberal edition.. Not to hyjack a good thread about Dr. King you need to brush up on your Alamo history.
Once again not to hijack a thread about Dr.King.

I was wrong on the 2 day massacre part :lol
But, I use the textbook that the National AP Board distributes for the US History AP test and it says:


Trapping a band of nearly two hundred pugnacious Texans at the Alamo in San Antonio, Santa Anna wiped them out to a man after a thriteen day siege. Their commander, Colonel W.B. Travis had declared, "I shall never surrender nor retreat....Victory or Death." A short time later, aband of about four hundred surrounded and defeated American volunteer, having thrown down their arms at Goliad, were butchered as "pirates." All these operations further delayed the Mexican advance and galvanized American oppostion.

Melmart1
01-14-2006, 12:43 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how many people have the story of the Alamo backwards. Even peeps from San Antonio don't have a clue half the time.

I once asked a fellow native to name one person who died at the Alamo. Just one. His response? David Bowie. Ouch!

Nbadan
01-14-2006, 02:50 AM
if there is not a big turnout, or if people are lazy and don't want to go, now they have a reason to point the finger at.

this march is about freedom and liberation of the african american people. freedom and liberation...hmmmm...shit sound familiar don't it.

If I remember correctly, SA's Martin Luther King march has been growing, and last year was one of the best attended marches ever.

I don't think King would have wanted a military presence at his remembrance.

Nbadan
01-14-2006, 02:54 AM
Two fighter jets from the 99th Flying Training Squadron.. yes two pilot trainer planes are a show of power..... sheesh... I am sure it would never be a problem had this been planes from the great military strikes ordered on Kosovo by the Clinton admin.

:rolleyes

How many U.S. troops did we lose in that whole campaign again?

Nbadan
01-14-2006, 03:06 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how many people have the story of the Alamo backwards. Even peeps from San Antonio don't have a clue half the time.

I once asked a fellow native to name one person who died at the Alamo. Just one. His response? David Bowie. Ouch!

Yep, Americans are very poor in history, not just San Antonians. That's too bad because San Antonio has many locations that possess great historical significance, but go mostly unnoticed. For instance, San Pedro Park was once a gated prison for the Confederacy, and if you looked in the right places and got lucky, you might still find artifacts from that period.

Jamtas#2
01-14-2006, 11:27 AM
I think that this is making a mountain out of a molehill. It is being done as a tribute to MLK. If we look hard enough we can find fault with many things and assume tat Dr. King wouldn't have stood for this and that and ban it from the march.

ChumpDumper
01-14-2006, 11:32 AM
Pretty bad idea -- but manufacturing controversy where there was none is Puro San Antonio.

xrayzebra
01-14-2006, 11:32 AM
Oh yea, San Antonio used to be Mexico huh? How dare those Mexican border jumping pieces of trash try to come to land that was once theirs and belonged to them.

They lost it fair and square. And who did it belong to before them, and
who did it beong to before those folks and so on and so forth. Ever
hear of conquest. That was what it was all about and still is. You only
get to keep what you can defend. Remember that, along with 9/11.

xrayzebra
01-14-2006, 11:37 AM
if there is not a big turnout, or if people are lazy and don't want to go, now they have a reason to point the finger at.

this march is about freedom and liberation of the african american people. freedom and liberation...hmmmm...shit sound familiar don't it.

It's about reminding people that they are seperate and the fight is not
over. Otherwise the race whores would have no job or money coming in.

Freedom and Liberation. How many march on George Washington's
birthday or Abraham Lincoln's birthday. Give me a break.

Personally, I wished the Air Force would have kept out of it. Why should
they waste the money on an event like this. Every radical group in the
world will be there except those that would honor King.

ChumpDumper
01-14-2006, 12:13 PM
It's about reminding people that they are seperate and the fight is not
over. Otherwise the race whores would have no job or money coming in.

Freedom and Liberation. How many march on George Washington's
birthday or Abraham Lincoln's birthday. Give me a break.All are welcome....

http://www.yrbc.org/photogallery/2003/MLKMarch03.jpg

SA210
01-14-2006, 12:15 PM
more nonsense from Xray, the ultimate civil rights hater.

gtownspur
01-14-2006, 04:32 PM
^Um, do you have to label anything that agrees with you as hate, because you seriously lack any tact or originality. It seems you either take out the hate card or you photoshop president bush.


how bout you realize that MLk was not for gay marriage, and he wouldn't want gays marching who were pushing gay agenda rather than just gays who are marching for his rememberance. You don't seem that bright anyways so i doubt you'd pick it up.

SA210
01-15-2006, 01:36 AM
^Um, do you have to label anything that agrees with you as hate, because you seriously lack any tact or originality. It seems you either take out the hate card or you photoshop president bush.


how bout you realize that MLk was not for gay marriage, and he wouldn't want gays marching who were pushing gay agenda rather than just gays who are marching for his rememberance. You don't seem that bright anyways so i doubt you'd pick it up.

So if MLK wasn't for gays, why do you post here?

hussker
01-15-2006, 01:42 AM
I disagree with any military flyover. Military might exudes POWER and FORCE. Dr King was all about Peace. No jets. Just let it be what it is. Should be NO controvery here at all.

FrankWhite
01-15-2006, 01:46 AM
Because Martin Luther King would have been a Big Saddam Supporter right guys?

xrayzebra
01-15-2006, 11:52 AM
So if MLK wasn't for gays, why do you post here?


This from the same Liberal who says everyone calls her names.
typical. :lol

gtownspur
01-15-2006, 01:30 PM
So if MLK wasn't for gays, why do you post here?

:lol MLK wasn't for gays, and that has nothing to do with how the forum rules are shaped, or if i'm gay or not. But keep wishing. ....Proves how you have no logic.

I guess you're oiled up stallone avatar isn't good enough anymore, so you need me to be gay.

Dos
01-15-2006, 08:37 PM
who died so that we all americans might be able to live in releative peace... how many soldiers were killed fighting in the civil war over the issue of slavery? how many federal troops were sent into the south to enforce civil rights and intergration... yes the military has no role in the MLK parade...

exstatic
01-15-2006, 11:57 PM
how many federal troops were sent into the south to enforce civil rights and intergration...

Zero. Do I get a cookie? All troops that supported civil rights were activated state national guardsmen.

Nice subject change, though. This isn't national civil rights day, It's MLK day. To do a flyover would be as relavant as doing one for Gandhi. They were both pacifists who loathed any use of force.

gtownspur
01-16-2006, 01:01 AM
MLK also loathed Gay rigts and gay marriage aswell as radical feminism but i guess that doesn't interfere with those interest groups marching.


You can't nit pick what MLk wanted and didnt want to suit your purpose.

Dos
01-16-2006, 02:33 AM
Zero. Do I get a cookie? All troops that supported civil rights were activated state national guardsmen.

I guess national guardsmen aren't part of the military.... ?

ChumpDumper
01-16-2006, 09:40 AM
So send an honor detail from the NG with a big banner commemorating their role in the civil rights movement. A flyover is too easily politicized.

exstatic
01-16-2006, 12:02 PM
I guess national guardsmen aren't part of the military.... ?

They're not federal troops. They were under control of the governor. They weren't sent south. You're welcome...for the history and force structure lessons.

Extra Stout
01-16-2006, 01:39 PM
A flyover seems out of place at a rally for a leader who preached nonviolence. On the other hand, the military plays such a big role in San Antonio. It probably was meant as a show of respect to Dr. King rather than as a show of power.


Oh yea, San Antonio used to be Mexico huh? How dare those Mexican border jumping pieces of trash try to come to land that was once theirs and belonged to them.
Good to see where your loyalties lie.

Santa Ana had a Napoleon complex. With a better leader down in Mexico City, Texas might have ended up a Mexican state, and the U.S.A. would have had to find another excuse to annex the Mexican North.