Spurs looking for new big man??

[Pistons < Spurs]

came across this today:

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_3403610


Footnotes

Orlando Magic forward Grant Hill has been trying to act as a mentor to guard Steve Francis this season. Francis was suspended indefinitely Thursday for refusing to go back into the game, and word is Hill kept Francis from pulling the same stunt Jan. 6 in a loss to New Jersey. ... An NBA executive said the San Antonio Spurs are seeking an athletic big man to aid their inside game. ... Kirilenko said he will have surgery in the offseason to repair his battered nose. "(My wife said) get plastic surgery and cut off half of your nose," he said. "I said, 'We'll see.' I'll be the next Tom Cruise." ... Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony recently signed a multiyear contract for a new energy drink in Asia called C1.5 Energy, which will be created with his direction. Portions of the revenue will benefit his charitable foundation.

[TwoHandJam]

I hope it's true.

[leemajors]

melo must have had intensive energy drink studies in that one year of college.

[Brutalis]

The Spurs do things under the radar so well it pisses me off!

[Vashner]

Bye Nazr..... your good but we need another 50...

[ChumpDumper]

We won't with just Nazr either, unfortunately. We are missing a truly athletic frontcourt player which is crucial in today's NBA. If we can't trade for that player, we may as well start trying out guys like Chuck Hayes to see if they could contribute.http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=698883&postcount=56

Not that it wasn't obvious, but I hereby submit my entry for kluby of the week.... :smokin

[himat]

Bye Nazr..... your good but we need another 50...

you sure it will be nazr, he helps you on the boards a lot more than nesterovic.

[Leetonidas]

Nobody wants Nesterovic. People would sign a Ham Sandwich to a 1M deal before Rasho's contract was accepted.

I hope the Spurs go after Artest. I really think he would excell in this system. I know it's a pipedream, but the defense is not where it should be and the rebounding is bad.

What big men are available or are a good fit for us?

[hussker]

Rasho will be gone, if anyone is gone...Nazr has improved his footwork and hands considerably since arriving. Rasho looks like he is playing volleyball most fo the time.

[ChumpDumper]

Who would take Rasho at this point? Get real.

Chris Wilcox is apparently available, same rumors around Dan Gadzuric -- but we don't have much either team would be interested in.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

OT Question what is with The Patches TD has on his chest during games?

[hussker]

Nicoderm...he has a bad smoking habit you know...Gets real shaky at the line without his smoke! hehehe

[Trainwreck2100]

Rasho will be gone,


We already milked Isiah Thomas once, I doubt we can go to that well again.

[SequSpur]

When you have a Center (Rasho) and a small forward (Bowen) that can't rebound and you rely on your number one (Timmy) and guards (Parker and Ginobili) to rebound, you're hosed.

A package of Rasho and Bowen could bring in something to help out.

Bowen is becoming overrated imo. Jaren Jackson could hit 3 pointers.

The Bulls, Pistons, and Lakers won championships without Bowen.

[ChumpDumper]

I love how posters shit on players and then try to pimp them in a trade.
The Bulls, Pistons, and Lakers won championships without Bowen.They won without Duncan too.

[exstatic]

Jaren Jackson could hit 3 pointers.


Yeah, he could...for about 20 games one playoff season. Bowen has one 3 point season shooting crown and is headed for another. He's probably been the best Spur this year, and you want to get rid of him. Oh. I forgot. You're Sequ.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Nicoderm...he has a bad smoking habit you know...Gets real shaky at the line without his smoke! hehehe

So you have seen them or am I the only one that noticed them? :angel

[himat]

When you have a Center (Rasho) and a small forward (Bowen) that can't rebound and you rely on your number one (Timmy) and guards (Parker and Ginobili) to rebound, you're hosed.

A package of Rasho and Bowen could bring in something to help out.

Bowen is becoming overrated imo. Jaren Jackson could hit 3 pointers.

The Bulls, Pistons, and Lakers won championships without Bowen.

if bowen is gone the pistons gaurds will dominate in a series. bowen seems important, he can constantly hit the outside jumper, and shuts down perimeter players. parker and ginobili have a hard time on D, and spurs perimeter D would look bad if he was gone. that's only what i think though. the pistons have a top perimeter defender in prince though.

[Kori Ellis]

They are Lifewave Patches -- there was a thread on it here awhile back.

http://www.lifewave.com/index.asp

[SequSpur]

Yeah, he could...for about 20 games one playoff season. Bowen has one 3 point season shooting crown and is headed for another. He's probably been the best Spur this year, and you want to get rid of him. Oh. I forgot. You're Sequ.

Hey brightone..........

You can't trade Rasho and get a David Robinson, Rodman or a Ben Wallace.

The Spurs need some help in the paint since duncan has plantar vagicitis or whatever...

A Bowen Rasho/Nazr trade doesn't hurt this team at all............

Last time I checked the Spurs averaged 68? against the Pistons.......

This team could use some more athleticism in the paint and a little offense which Bowen offers neither.

[exstatic]

Hey short one - Never said that they didn't need to make a move. I'd give up any of Nazr, Barry, Finley, Beno for Wilcox. He's not an All Star, or All Anything for that matter, and they shouldn't expect such in return. I'd say anyone not named Duncan, Manu, Parker, or Bowen. Wilcox would be perfect, an athletic youngster of size who can grab some boards, get a few putbacks, and block some shots. Nazr may suit them, since they don't stress defense, and he's a fucking open door to driving opponents.

[Samr]

A package of Rasho and Bowen could bring in something to help out.

I like the way this man thinks.

Finley can start at the 3, with Barry comming off the bench as the first guard. Since we would be trading two players, I'd expect to get a project player in the return deal, and if that was the case Beno would take Barry's old minutes.

If you are going to trade Bowen, now is the time. Bowen is still one of my favorite players on the team, but the Spurs can afford to lose him if they can get Duncan a solid partner to tango with in the paint.

The Spurs have a ton of unused bench tallent. The bench will pick up the slack if we need to pull one of them to start. The Spurs can afford to shorten the list of reserves, at the sacrifice of strengthing the starting five.

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs would never trade Bowen. He'll retire a Spur. Their D would be destroyed and he does a lot more for this team than casual observers (read: idiots like Sequ) can see.

So if you want to think of some trade packages, try including any of Barry, Beno, Oberto, Nazr or Rasho.

[ChumpDumper]

Uh, what $10 million "project" are we going to get for Rasho and Bruce?

[Rummpd]

Nazr is not attractive unless he agrees to sign on coming in somewhere, he will be a free agent.

[ChumpDumper]

Nazr is not attractive unless he agrees to sign on coming in somewhere, he will be a free agent.That's assuming a team would want to keep him. Expiring deals are attractive in themselves.

[exstatic]

Nazr is not attractive unless he agrees to sign on coming in somewhere, he will be a free agent.

Some teams consider an ending contract a plus, especially if they have a contract they want to unload.

[Manu20]

According to hoopshype Wilcox will make $2,812,239.

Oberto + Beno for Wilcox?

[Vingianx]

untradeable player

DUNCAN
GINOBILI
PARKER
HORRY
FINLEY(MAYBE, BECAUSE HE HAS SHOWN HE CAN STILL SCORE 20)

[ChumpDumper]

Oberto + Beno for Wilcox?What's in it for the Clippers?

[Manu20]

What's in it for the Clippers?

Just hoping the Clippers would be stupid enough to make the trade. :spin

[Bruno]

untradeable player

DUNCAN
GINOBILI
PARKER
HORRY
FINLEY(MAYBE, BECAUSE HE HAS SHOWN HE CAN STILL SCORE 20)

Not only.

Untradeable player : Duncan, Paker, Ginobili, Horry, Bowen, NVE, Marks and Finley
Tradeable player : Oberto, Rasho, Nazr, Beno and Barry.

Spurs can add :
- 2nd round picks.
- Draft rights to Mahinmi, Scola, Javtokas, Karaulov and Sanikidze.
- 2008 first round draft pick and 2010 first round draft pick.

I'm not sure it's enough to land a quality big man.

[exstatic]

Mahinmi + contract?

[td4mvp21]

I don't care who it is that we get or who it is that we give away as long as its not Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Horry, Finley or NVE. We need someone who can rebound besides Duncan and not be scared to even jump. Rasho the idiot just watches people score (i.e Bogut's gamewinner) or just doesn't even go for the offensive rebound. We need someone to do the dirty work like Malik used to.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We don't need to make a trade, we need to give Nazr more than 5 minutes a night.

[ChumpDumper]

We need someone to do the dirty work like Malik used to.This is your man:
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/ncb/2003/0122/photo/a_hayes_i.jpg

[Samr]

If you are going to trade Bowen, now is the time.

Allow me to clarify:

IF you are going to trade Bowen, his market value is perhaps never higher than right now. And now he's discovered how to drive.

The question would then become whether or not the lack of defense in the back would be worth the reward of added tallent up front. I think that trading Bowen would make sense, but it would be a near-blockbuster trade with Bowen being the centerpiece. Bowen/Rasho for KMart/Lenard? (I have not thought this scenario through so please do not correct me if I am wrong by some large margin- I am merely providing an example)

That being said, I really think the Spurs are in a good possition in having some really solid bench players to toy with. Beno and Barry are both solid tallents, but might benefit from a change of scenery. Rasho and Nazr both present drastically different trade scenarios, and I think when/if one of them leaves, the name will be dictated by the needs of our trading partner.

Rasho is a very solid, if even underrated defender, and his size is something that's becomming quite a rarity. His contract is big, but might work for a team looking for front-court stability. Bonus for the Spurs is cap room, which segway's into...

Nazr, who's contract is up this season. He also provides the raw athleticism and some rebounding tallent which could really help bolster the 4 or 5 spot of a team looking to go small.

Both can be shopped, and both could get some interest. But in order to get the tallent they want, and a player necessary to make a trade worthwhile, someone else may have to come into the picture. The value of that second player will determine, largely, the value of the big we can get in return.

Simply put, do not make trade just to make a trade. Make a trade to directly and immediately improve your chances at still playing in June.

And from there, it is simply a matter of who wants it more. Let's hope Aerosmith isn't playing halftime in game 7. We want our fourth.

[SenorSpur]

So exactly where are all these athletic big men?

[exstatic]

If you trade Bowen, LA could beat us in a playoff series. With Bowen on him, Kobe might get 33-34 points on 30 shots. With any of our other wings on him, it could be 45-50 points on those same 30 shots.

[ChumpDumper]

So exactly where are all these athletic big men?True, most posters seem to think trades can happen as quickly as they can dream them up.

[ChumpDumper]

If you trade Bowen, LA could beat us in a playoff series. With Bowen on him, Kobe might get 33-34 points on 30 shots. With any of our other wings on him, it could be 45-50 points on those same 30 shots.But we could shut down Chris Mihm!

[SenorSpur]

If you trade Bowen, LA could beat us in a playoff series. With Bowen on him, Kobe might get 33-34 points on 30 shots. With any of our other wings on him, it could be 45-50 points on those same 30 shots.

This has to be a joke. Why the fuck would the Spurs ever consider trading their most valuable defender and perennial candidate for league DPOY?

[Vashner]

Stupid Rockets..

They should just give us Ming....

They don't need him... and Pop can finally give him a ring and we can make some of our Wal Mart money bak.

[wildbill2u]

When you have a Center (Rasho) and a small forward (Bowen) that can't rebound and you rely on your number one (Timmy) and guards (Parker and Ginobili) to rebound, you're hosed.

A package of Rasho and Bowen could bring in something to help out.

Bowen is becoming overrated imo. Jaren Jackson could hit 3 pointers.

The Bulls, Pistons, and Lakers won championships without Bowen.

If you trade two thirds of your front line, one of whom is considered a great defender, what players are you expecting in return? It's easy to say "let's trade these guys" --but to whom and for what are unanswered questions.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

BTW, the Bowen talk is idiotic. Dude will retire a Spur. Pop's system would be broke without a premier perimeter defender.

[Vashner]

Bowen is not going anywhere...

We just have a little gap from 50 leaving? Did ya'll think Nazr was just going to fill his shoes? He was the best we could get at the time.

[FromWayDowntown]

Bye Nazr..... your good but we need another 50...

Sure -- you know, guys like David Robinson are so easy to come by.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The Spurs would never trade Bowen. He'll retire a Spur. Their D would be destroyed and he does a lot more for this team than casual observers (read: idiots like Sequ) can see.

So if you want to think of some trade packages, try including any of Barry, Beno, Oberto, Nazr or Rasho.

I'm gonna have to agree with Kori here times a billion. i know bruce isn't the greatest offensive playe rin the world but he honestly should be put on the list of "untradeable" b/c what he brings defensively night in and night out can't be matched! we'd have VC, kobe, AI, Wade, rip hamilton and everyone eating us alive on the offensive end. dude shuts people down completely!! and what good would it be to have our scoring average increase 5 points only to lose by ten because kobe or t mac went off for 55 against us cuz parker just couldnt keep up!

[Vashner]

Sure -- you know, guys like David Robinson are so easy to come by.

How old are his son's? Suit em up...

[exstatic]

BTW, the Bowen talk is idiotic. Dude will retire a Spur. Pop's system would be broke without a premier perimeter defender.

See: Lakers series, 2001. Post Sean, but Pre Bowen. What an asskicking sweep that was...

[Kori Ellis]

How old are his son's? Suit em up...

:)

You have a few more years to wait.

But there's three of them -- hopefully one will pan out. :)

[ace3g]

what about Joel Przybilla

[Pistons < Spurs]

Would you all want Olowokandi? Maybe the Wolves would take Rasho back as they are familiar with his game? I don't know what anyones contract are worth, but I'm sure something could worked out.

http://www.startribune.com/507/story/184155.html

Wolves owner hinting at possible Olowokandi trade

Apparently the real reason the Timberwolves have not been playing Michael Olowokandi is that the center, in his last year of his contract, could be traded very soon.

Wolves owner Glen Taylor strongly hinted at that after Friday night's victory over Denver at Target Center.

"Call me in 72 hours and I will have some news for you," said Taylor, sounding like the deal had been made and will be announced soon.

However, Taylor said the Wolves don't have any interest in suspended Orlando point guard Steve Francis, who is making too much money.

As for Indiana's Ron Artest, Taylor said: "I don't know of anything that's new on Ron Artest. They haven't talked to us, so I assume there is nothing that's going to happen."

Taylor said he is disappointed with the Wolves' .500 record.

"I'm the same as the team and the coach, that we're disappointed with the wins that we have," he said. "I think at this point in the process that we just thought that we would be further on our plan. It appears more in the area of scoring. We're just having trouble finding guys who can score. So that's what we're working on."

With Utah being a big surprise, it is not going to be easy for the Wolves to win the Northwest Division with their current personnel.

[Gummi]

First of all. Bowen won't be traded now or never. Like Kori said he's a Spur until he retires. I also don't think that Pop would trade Oberto. He hasn't had any playing time to showcase his talent and I know that Pop really likes his game, just can't find minutes for him. He's too busy playing Rasho.

IMO players that are likely to be traded are Barry, Nazr, and Rasho and a possibility of Beno being included.

[angel_luv]

This is the only part of the Spurs season I don't like. I can't wait until the tradeline is passed.


If I have to give up someone, I'd let them have Nazr. But I hope the team stays fully intact.

[SenorSpur]

I'm sorry, I just don't see what Oberto brings to the table. He's not big enough or long enough to man the 5 spot - which is where this team is hurting. He's an undersized PF forward. Maybe the Spurs will find a place for him in the rotation at some point. But it won't be at the 5 spot.

Of course, it could be worse. Rasho and Nazr are not as bad as Erick Dampier :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

I think the Spurs would be well-served to find a guy who has decent size and is at least an average man-to-man defender, but who sells out on the glass.

For some reason, the guy who keeps coming to mind for me is Reggie Evans, but I haven't given this a lot of thought -- there are probably better options.

[angel_luv]

If I have to give up someone, I'd let them have Nazr. But I hope the team stays fully intact.

Speaking of Nazr... some guy just walked by sporting his Nazr spurs jersey. I didn't even know they sold them.

[Kori Ellis]

For some reason, the guy who keeps coming to mind for me is Reggie Evans, but I haven't given this a lot of thought -- there are probably better options.

There's some weirdness going on with Evans in Seattle and rumblings he might be on the block.

Here's some of the weirdness ...


The Sonics are not saying they are punishing players. But it seems more than coincidental that forward Reggie Evans, who did not call the team for three days while attending a funeral, was not in uniform for Saturday’s game against the Los Angeles Clippers.

Evans, who lost his starting role when coach Bob Weiss was fired, joined the team Saturday and warmed up before the game. But a few minutes before tipoff, a Sonics spokesman informed the media that Evans was “ill” and would not be dressing.

Hill said that when he asked Evans why he did not call, Evans told him he had called his agent and told him instead. Asked if there would be any punishment for not communicating with the team, Hill deferred to general manager Rick Sund.

“You got to talk to Rick about that, but that will take place later, I think,” Hill said.

[JsnSA]

Not that it wasn't obvious, but I hereby submit my entry for kluby of the week.... :smokin


:lol Haven't seen a kluby reference in a looong time.

[spurschick]

If they trade for anyone, I'd like it to be for youth at the SF spot. We're going to lose Bruce to retirement soon and I'd like to see them grooming someone now.

[SequSpur]

LMAO....

Now without Bowen the Spurs are not a championship contender?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Kobe will go for 40 without Bowen on the floor?

Fuck.. how many guards and forwards went for 30+ with Bowen on the floor this year alone?

This team is built by, for, with, because of Tim Duncan.

Bowen is a sidekick in his parade....

The Spurs need athleticism, they need rebounding, they actually need some scoring too.....

Bowen is getting old, his trade value may be a little higher than Beno's, so why not package him up and rock this front line for the next 4-5 years?

Bowen is not all that...

Did you watch the Detroit games this year?

Yeah, lets retire Bowen as a Spur at the cost of a dynasty....

[angel_luv]

I heard that the Spurs are shopping around bundle of Rasho, Beno, and Angel_Luv
(Angel_luv's salary is defined in the new CBA as NBA Groupie Minimum)

Ah memories! :lol

[Pistons < Spurs]

What about rotating Duncan to the 5, and getting a guy like Gooden from Cleveland? I'm always hearing specualtion anout them possibly trading him. In 28 minutes a game, he pulls down 10 rebounds a game. Decent scorer, and can bring a bit of nastiness that IMO the Spurs could use. Barry for Gooden works as far as contracts go......but I would suspect it would take a 2 for 2 type of trade...Cleveland signed Zendon Hamilton to a 10-day to back up Z...maybe you can also get something of value for either Rasho or Nazr.

[Horry For 3!]

came across this today:

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_3403610
Kirilenko said he will have surgery in the offseason to repair his battered nose. "(My wife said) get plastic surgery and cut off half of your nose," he said. "I said, 'We'll see.' I'll be the next Tom Cruise."
:lmao

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Any of you who are saying Bowen is overrated are TOTALLY KIDDING YOURSELVES. His perimeter D is essential to this team. I would argue he's more crucial to this team than any other player except TD. Without him making the other team's best small scorer work like hell for his points, our vaunted D becomes very average.

I agree with Exstatic - anyone but TD, Bowen, Manu and TP (and maybe Horry) is fair game for a trade.

[ChumpDumper]

What about rotating Duncan to the 5, and getting a guy like Gooden from Cleveland? I'm always hearing specualtion anout them possibly trading him. In 28 minutes a game, he pulls down 10 rebounds a game. Decent scorer, and can bring a bit of nastiness that IMO the Spurs could use. Barry for Gooden works as far as contracts go......but I would suspect it would take a 2 for 2 type of trade.Well, I like Gooden's boarding and range, but his D isn't all that great and if we figure Nazr is going to be out of our price range next summer, Gooden might cost twice as much.

[SenorSpur]

Reggie Evans is a beast on the glass and a true PF. I wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs acquire, but we're still vulnerable at the 5.

[grjr]

What's Javtokas up to these days? Is his season still going on in Europe?

Not that he would give you a bunch of points but he would at least knock some people around.

[ChumpDumper]

Reggie has the right to refuse any trade, and I keep hearing that his Bird rights would be lost in any trade this season though I haven't actually seen anything to back it up.

[ducks]

spurs need a big man because duncan is hurt

[SenorSpur]

spurs need a big man because duncan is hurt

There just aint that many big men available. That's the problem.

[exstatic]

Reggie has the right to refuse any trade, and I keep hearing that his Bird rights would be lost in any trade this season though I haven't actually seen anything to back it up.

??? Bird rights cannot be lost because of a trade. If your contract was at least three years in duration, whomever winds up with you when you're a FA has them.

Is Tim Thomas any good on the boards? He would definitely come cheap, since CHI has told him to just stay home. He's also an ending contract.

How about NY's Davis (I forget which one, Dale or Antonio)? They've obviously gone with a youth movement.

[ChumpDumper]

??? Bird rights cannot be lost because of a trade. If your contract was at least three years in duration, whomever winds up with you when you're a FA has them.As I said, I never saw any verification. They seem to believe that this could happen to a player who accepted a qualifying offer.
Is Tim Thomas any good on the boards? He would definitely come cheap, since CHI has told him to just stay home. He's also an ending contract.I think the Bulls might be giving themselves a mulligan this season before using cap space next summer to get another big man. No, Tim Thomas sucks on the boards but may still be available if he's waived after the trade deadline.
How about NY's Davis (I forget which one, Dale or Antonio)? They've obviously gone with a youth movement.The stuff i've read say that the Knicks and A. Davis are happy with each other and he's a mentor for the young'ns.

[T Park]

Don't care whos traded, just get it done.

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

We already milked Isiah Thomas once, I doubt we can go to that well again.

SPURS tell Isiah Thomas, Rasho is a forward and he will make the trade :lol :lol

[Vashner]

Time to send the scouts deep into the Congo... got to be some big Mutombo dudes still in the bush. (not being racist just funny like that movie so chill).

[intlspurshk]

Hasn't R Evans just signed a new contract last season?

[Gummi]

I like Reggie Evans' hustle but his offense is even worse then Rasho's. So no thanks. We need a big that can get 10 points fairly often not every 20 games like Rasho does. The can't afford to have two players starting and playing heavy minutes that are liabilities on offense.

[T Park]

Reggie Evans could work.

Drew Gooden DEFINATELY would work.

Id do a Beno+Nazr/Oberto/Rasho deal.


I think Ferry is high on Beno, back up point to help out at that position, and a semi defensive big to go next to big Z wich they have been lacking.

Rasho would be perfect for them, but it wont happen.

[T Park]

. The can't afford to have two players starting and playing heavy minutes that are liabilities on offense.

Nazr Mohammed got about 6 to 8 points last year.

Evans can do that on garbage points and putbacks.


Offense is overrated...

[ChumpDumper]

I think Ferry is high on Beno, back up point to help out at that position, and a semi defensive big to go next to big Z wich they have been lacking.

Rasho would be perfect for them, but it wont happen.Aside from creating the slowest frontcourt tandem in NBA history, I don't see much use for Rasho in Cleveland.

[T Park]

I don't see many players coming from you Chump.....

[ChumpDumper]

Realistically, there aren't many players the Spurs can trade for outside a three way. I posted a picture anyway and named him in another thread. What more do you want?

If we are talking realistic, straight-up trades, you're looking at guys like Olowokandi and Kelvin Cato. Whoopie.

[exstatic]

Don't care whos traded, just get it done.

So, you're OK with Duncan for Wilcox?

[MI21]

Reggie Evans would be a nice backup to rebound, play a bit of D and generally act like a tough guy on the court. Starting, along with Bowen though? No thanks, I'd prefer to get someone who can score 10-12ppg to take the pressure off of TD, TP and Manu (i realise finding a 10ppg big man who rebounds and plays D is impossible).

I still think the Spurs would be ok if they started Nazr and let him work his way through his troubles, but I just can't see Pop doing that.

[boutons_]

"Nazr and let him work his way through his troubles"

I just can't see Nazr doing that.

8th year in the NBA, Nazr is what he is.
5 or 6 weeks of more PT isn't going to change him.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Nazr would foul out in 15 minutes. LOL. seriously though he picks up fouls way too quickly.

[T Park]

So, you're OK with Duncan for Wilcox?

Realisticly....................................... ..........................

[MI21]

8th year in the NBA, Nazr is what he is.
5 or 6 weeks of more PT isn't going to change him.

Really? You can see the future?

You automatically assume the negative, that's easy to do because when you are proved wrong you can be happy because you support the team. If the negative does come true, then you are happy because you predicted it.

Weak.

[T Park]

Youve figured him out.

Negative to the point of happy when hes right, but happy when hes wrong.


BUt when wrong, will tell you he was right in "theory"

strange duck...

[ShoogarBear]

They are Lifewave Patches -- there was a thread on it here awhile back.

http://www.lifewave.com/index.aspI suppose next Tim joins the Scientologists?

[ShoogarBear]

If I have to give up someone, I'd let them have Nazr. What a shock. :)

[T Park]

Him and Tom Cruise on TV calling Brooke Shields "retarded" probobly is next as well.

[boutons_]

"You can see the future"

7 years of the NBA past has produced what Nazr is now.
That long past is the best predictor of the future.

Do you think more PT between now the 1 Apr is going
to make his hands better,

his crashing the defensive board better,

his missed defensive rotations disappear,

his matador's refusal to accept responsibility for the the paint and to step forward to pick up drivers be converted into aggression,

his inane blocked pump fakes go away (one of his FADEAWAYS was block last night),

his low basketall IQ to rise up to "normal" ?

What exactly, specifically do you think more PT will accomplish for a 7-year veteran with the above deficiencies?

[ShoogarBear]

Him and Tom Cruise on TV calling Brooke Shields "retarded" probobly is next as well.:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[T Park]

Thanks, Im here all week.

Hey Shoog, getting ready to start a "advice" thread for myself in the Club, would be happy if you gave some, youve always seemed like a very intelligent fellow on here, and in person with others!

[ShoogarBear]

The fact of the matter, which I bet everyone will agree to, is this: the Spurs have two centers who are both sometimes servicable but also incomplete. Either one is capable of stinking out the joint, but they are also capable of at least being a live body for 25-30 minutes a night.

Very few people will argue that the one or the other is the full-time answer. However, Rasho is more the "known" commodity, which is this case is not a positive. We know he's never going to be a 10pts/8 reb guy. Nazr may never be, either, but in the absence of a trade, I think their best chance for getting any improvement at the position is to throw Nazr out there for 30 minutes a night for the next 4-5 games and see what he does. The Spurs are playing for the postseason, not the regular season.

[MI21]

Do you think more PT between now the 1 Apr is going
to make his hands better,

Yes, it will improve becaue he will become more familiar with the way Tony, Manu, Tim etc pass the ball to him. Repetition will help his hands improve.


his crashing the defensive board better,

Possibly. Learning the defensive system better, which will only happen with extended playing time, may lead him to be in better positions to work the defensive boards.


his missed defensive rotations disappear,

Yep. Once again, familiararity with the system will improve his defensive rotations. That one was easy.


his inane blocked pump fakes go away (one of his FADEAWAYS was block last night),

Nope, PT will not make this dissapear.


his low basketall IQ to rise up to "normal" ?

No. But improved rotations, better hands, better understanding of the defensive system and you will more than likely not classify him as a player with a low IQ anymore.

All of this is dependent on Nazr working hard of course. No reason to believe he wouldn't work his butt off if given minutes.

[TDMVPDPOY]

nazr+barry to bulls for deng and filler

orbs+beno+rasho to pacers for artest

[Leetonidas]

orbs+beno+rasho to pacers for artest

Artest makes like 6.9M dude, Rasho alone I think makes more than that. Why can't you grasp that adding more players doesn't work?

[angel_luv]

What a shock. :)


;)

[leemajors]

maybe nazr could wear some gloves like brady does...

[wildbill2u]

nazr+barry to bulls for deng and filler

orbs+beno+rasho to pacers for artest

And those clubs would take our problems off our hands and make us stronger because.....????

[gameFACE]

Just to throw another name out there - how about Steven Hunter? Wait, don't laugh just yet. He might be a "project" type player. And I don't think he's doing so well in Philly. But he actually did pretty well there as a starter while Dalembert was out. He also gave the Spurs trouble when he was with the Suns last season. I remember Nazr on the floor holding Hunter's ankles down so he wouldn't rebound. He's young, athletic and is a legitimate 7 footer. Might develop into a good rebounder. His contract is cheap (starting at $2.8mil) but the downside is he's in the first year of a five year deal.

[T Park]

Who would Philly want from the Spurs in return?

I don't think that Philly is ready to give up on him.

I would take Stephen Hunter though. He was the best on D against Duncan in the Western Finals.

Then D'Antoni would sit on his own head and put Stoudamire back on him.

[Vingianx]

Spurs need an athletic big man to match up against Detroit's athletic freasks...

[mikejones99]

no reggie is not signed. FU most people. no trades should be fuckin made. This is a title team. most of you really are retarded.

[FromWayDowntown]

Reggie Evans is just a name to put to an idea. I suspect that there are other non-star type guys out there who could do the things that the Spurs need.

Stephen Hunter is an intriguing name, mostly because he brings an element of shot-blocking and super-athleticism for a 7-footer. But I don't know if Hunter is strong enough to stand in with physical bigs and wonder about his willingness to freelance and defeat the defensive scheme.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Just to throw another name out there - how about Steven Hunter? Wait, don't laugh just yet. He might be a "project" type player. And I don't think he's doing so well in Philly. But he actually did pretty well there as a starter while Dalembert was out. He also gave the Spurs trouble when he was with the Suns last season. I remember Nazr on the floor holding Hunter's ankles down so he wouldn't rebound. He's young, athletic and is a legitimate 7 footer. Might develop into a good rebounder. His contract is cheap (starting at $2.8mil) but the downside is he's in the first year of a five year deal.

I like Hunter. He's really no more of a project than Rasho or Nazr.

I've really got no idea who the Spurs could be looking at at this point.

[Despot]

Well, if the Denver newspaper reported it, good chance it might have been someone from the Nuggets?

[ChumpDumper]

Hunter's fine, but I think his is the best contract the Sixers have inked in past ten years. Even if he doesn't get eny better he['s worth keeping.
Well, if the Denver newspaper reported it, good chance it might have been someone from the Nuggets?True. If the Nuggets had any health at all, Barry for Najera might seem doable.

Of course, they could really use Nazr right now.

[FromWayDowntown]

Hunter's fine, but I think his is the best contract the Sixers have inked in past ten years. Even if he doesn't get eny better he['s worth keeping.True. If the Nuggets had any health at all, Barry for Najera might seem doable.

Of course, they could really use Nazr right now.

Najera fits the mold as well -- in fact, he might be the most realistic option and the best fit at this point for numerous reasons. And the Nuggets, who need to find somebody who can hit a jump shot from distance, might be willing to take what the Spurs have.

[Leetonidas]

I hear rumors than Kenyon Martin is on the block. I hope if the Spurs are talking with Denver that they DO NOT make a run at this pussy.

"Ain't nobody think we could get no win but us." :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

I hear rumors than Kenyon Martin is on the block. I hope if the Spurs are talking with Denver that they DO NOT make a run at this pussy.

"Ain't nobody think we could get no win but us." :lol

I could see why Denver would want to deal Martin. I don't know that the Spurs would want him, or that the Spurs have enough to get him, mostly because I'm not sure that he would be a compliment to a good big guy. I suspect that we saw the best of Kenyon Martin when he played with a running point who could feed him on the break. He's an uber-athletic, but somewhat undersized big who lacks any sort of consistent range on his jump shot and struggles with the post-up game against bigger, stronger posts. When he can get out and run and get dunks in transitition, those problems are less evident, I think.

It does seem, however, that the Denver and Seattle situations are starting to become percolating cauldrons of discontent as those teams suffer through fall-back seasons. If the Spurs are to find a big guy, perhaps they can capitalize on the problems in one of those places.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

8th year in the NBA, Nazr is what he is.
5 or 6 weeks of more PT isn't going to change him.

Bowen's 35 and still improving his game, but a 28 year old Nazr Mohammed is screwed :rolleyes

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why does anyone want Evans? When Hill took over as coach he moved Radmanovic into the starting lineup and Evans' response was to go to a funeral and not call coach for 4 days.

Yeah, that sounds like a model citizen for this franchise :rolleyes

[T Park]

Bowen's 35 and still improving his game, but a 28 year old Nazr Mohammed is screwed

Me and aggie disagree alot, but hes spot on.

Its January, he missed all of October and most of November.

In reality hes prob still in mid to late November early december mode.


I agree more PT should be given to Nazr to see if he has it.



A trade of Barry for Najera would be so great, RC should get GM of the year, if he pulled that off.

[Kori Ellis]

Me and aggie disagree alot, but hes spot on.

Its January, he missed all of October and most of November.

In reality hes prob still in mid to late November early december mode.


I agree more PT should be given to Nazr to see if he has it.



A trade of Barry for Najera would be so great, RC should get GM of the year, if he pulled that off.

He didn't miss any of November at all. He even played in 3 preseason games in October. Basically he missed about 10 days, right?

Anyway, I agree that he should be given a chance against certain teams. But missing a couple weeks of training camp/preseason isn't an excuse for not knowing where to go on D at this point.

[T Park]

But missing a couple weeks of training camp/preseason isn't an excuse for not knowing where to go on D at this point.


When youve played for teams like the Hawks and Knicks, you gotta beat it out of em.

Just like Van Exel and Finley.

It takes a while.

[Melmart1]

Comparing the improvement of Bowen to Nazr's potential for improvement doesn't seem like a good comparison to me.

Bowen already has fundamental defense down, Nazr does not. Bowen is improving on complimentary, "extra" pieces to his game, whereas Nazr lacks everything except the most rudimentary aspects of basic defense. Big difference.

That being said, I don't see why it has to be one or the other- why not both? Start Rasho most of the time since he is the better defender, but against smaller, more athletic front courts like Detroit, play Nazr. It seems to me that it is to the Spurs' advantage to have both available, since there seems to be nothing on the market that can satisfy not only the Spurs' needs for an athletic big man, but also that doesnt break any salary cap rules.

[SenorSpur]

Hasn't R Evans just signed a new contract last season?

No, he's up at the end of this season.

[SenorSpur]

Here's another name for the hopper - how about Tyson Chandler. I know it would be a long shot, but perhaps the Spurs could package Nazr and a couple of other players to Chicago for Chandler. Despite he offensive flaws, he would be the perfect answer for the athletic, defensive player at the 5 spot.

[ShoogarBear]

Chandler's name has come up a few times in "official" rumors has being on the Spurs radar. He just signed a new contract, though, and I can't imagine that the Spurs have anything that the Bulls really want.

[ChumpDumper]

Hmmm.....


Wizards' James Maye Receives a Tryout with the Spurs
01/17/06 - Continental Basketball Association (CBA) Dakota Wizards

Bismarck, ND (January 17, 2006) - James Maye has received word that he will be receiving a tryout with the San Antonio Spurs tonight and tomorrow. The tryout is in San Antonio, where the Spurs are to scheduled to host the Milwaukee Bucks in a home contest on Wednesday. He should find out in time for that game if he will be signed to an NBA contract.

"I'm very honored to get this opportunity. Hopefully they'll like what I have to offer and something will work out," Maye said when asked about this chance. He has been fantastic this season, with his numbers improving after he started to see more minutes on the floor. Through 26 games, he has averaged 14.9 points per game on 45.7% shooting (5th best in the league) from three-point range. Recently, Maye has been on a tear. Over the last four games, he has averaged 20.3 points and 4.5 rebounds. During the same stretch, he has shot a blistering 64.3% from downtown.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3259699

[ChumpDumper]

Well, he shoots the three and is apparently true SF size....
http://www.dakotawizards.com/archive/0506/photos/011206/images/pic__101_.jpg
http://www.dakotawizards.com/archive/0506/photos/011206/images/pic__21_.jpg

[boutons_]

He's 6"7", about the same as Bruce. Not a "long three", but if he can score, rebound, and learn to defend, he could be Bruce's replacement in a couple years?

http://www.dakotawizards.com/playerprofile.php?player_id=7

[ChumpDumper]

I was thinking could he be Barry's replacement now?

[ShoogarBear]

Plus, he will help us close the important "Ex-Wizard" gap with the Pistons.

[Mixability]

Rasho to the Lakers for Bynum, straight up. At least the young guy can dunk! I have more hops than Rasho! :pctoss :lol

[sa_butta]

Is there anyone in the NBDL worth looking at?

[ChumpDumper]

I mentioned Chuck Hayes from Albuquerque, who could be the next Malik Rose except you could list him at 6'7" without doubling over in laughter. Nice athlete and is leading the D-League with 12.2rpg. He'd probably be a Rocket right now had he not injured his ankle about a month ago. None of the other athletes are really impressing on the boards and likely wouldn't sniff the floor on a Spur team.

[Leetonidas]

Hmmm.....


Wizards' James Maye Receives a Tryout with the Spurs
01/17/06 - Continental Basketball Association (CBA) Dakota Wizards

Bismarck, ND (January 17, 2006) - James Maye has received word that he will be receiving a tryout with the San Antonio Spurs tonight and tomorrow. The tryout is in San Antonio, where the Spurs are to scheduled to host the Milwaukee Bucks in a home contest on Wednesday. He should find out in time for that game if he will be signed to an NBA contract.

"I'm very honored to get this opportunity. Hopefully they'll like what I have to offer and something will work out," Maye said when asked about this chance. He has been fantastic this season, with his numbers improving after he started to see more minutes on the floor. Through 26 games, he has averaged 14.9 points per game on 45.7% shooting (5th best in the league) from three-point range. Recently, Maye has been on a tear. Over the last four games, he has averaged 20.3 points and 4.5 rebounds. During the same stretch, he has shot a blistering 64.3% from downtown.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3259699

Interesting. I like what I read. Any other info on him?

[ChumpDumper]

Not much except for his Euro stats.

He's played in Norway(!), Italy and Greece -- last year in the same international league as Javtokas.

Senior and 1st pro year stats. (http://www.euroleague.net/ulebcup/noticia.jsp?temporada=E03&jornada=30&id=162)

04/05 ULEB stats. (http://www.euroleague.net/ulebcup/noticia.jsp?temporada=E03&jornada=31&id=885&id2=805&id3=806&id4=807)

[Pistons < Spurs]

http://www.dakotawizards.com/images/players/maye.jpg


3 - James Maye
Height: 6�7"
Weight: 215
DOB: 01/29/81
College: NC Greensboro �03
Hometown: Atlanta, GA
Pro Experience: Greece
Family: Parents: Doris & James Maye Sr. Sister: Erika Maye

Bio
James Maye, 6-7, 215, F, UNC-Greensboro �03� The 24-year old from Atlanta, GA won a championship with Rosso Alice in the 2005 Italian Summer League� Has played professionally in Greece and Norway� Averaged 14.1 ppg and 4.8 rpg for the Rome Gladiators in the WBA during the 2004 season� Averaged 16.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.9 apg during his season season at UNC-Greensboro� Named to All-Southern Conference 3rd team both his junior and senior seasons.

What�s in your CD player right now?
Young Jeezy

If you could have lunch with one person, dead or alive, who would it be?
Michael Jordan

If you weren�t playing basketball, what would you be doing?
Playing baseball

What has been your most memorable moment on the basketball court?
Breaking the all-time scoring record in college in my final game while posting the first triple double in school history

Who is your favorite NBA player?
Michael Jordan

[Bruno]

It's a strange news, none of our swingmen is injured. :huh

[ChumpDumper]

It's a strange news, none of our swingmen is injured. :huhYou don't have to be injured to be traded....

[boutons_]

And Ludden said Pop had "shortened his rotation to exclude Brent",
so where's JMaye fit in? a project?

[2centsworth]

Al jefferson is available.

[ChumpDumper]

Al jefferson is available.Link? I've read they're trying to move Blount.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2006/01/17/olowokandi_blount_swap_being_discussed/

[Bruno]

You don't have to be injured to be traded....

That's why I find it strange. Rumors says that a three way trade will happened with Blount and Olowakandi, maybe Spurs are the third team ?

[ChumpDumper]

That's why I find it strange. Rumors says that a three way trade will happened with Blount and Olowakandi, maybe Spurs are the third team ?I don't think Boston needs Barry.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Al jefferson is available.
??

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, I don't think a trade is imminent -- this workout is just a contigency for one or more possible scenarios the Spurs are always investigating.

[2centsworth]

Link? I've read they're trying to move Blount.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2006/01/17/olowokandi_blount_swap_being_discussed/
i'm reading in between the lines. Doc is not happy with Jefferson.

[ChumpDumper]

He's not happy with Jefferson, so he's trading the guy who would play his minutes?

I do think Doc is unhappy with Jefferson's play of late, but not to the point of trading him. The guy just turned 21 and has two seasons of cheap contract after this one to improve. If he moves for anyone, it's for another young bigman with at least as much upside.

Jefferson for Wilcox would be something I could buy. Jefferson for Barry? Not so much.

[2centsworth]

He's not happy with Jefferson, so he's trading the guy who would play his minutes?

I do think Doc is unhappy with Jefferson's play of late, but not to the point of trading him. The guy just turned 21 and has two seasons of cheap contract after this one to improve. If he moves for anyone, it's for another young bigman with at least as much upside.

Jefferson for Wilcox would be something I could buy. Jefferson for Barry? Not so much.Nazr has value because his contract expires. However, me mentioning Al being available didn't mean the spurs could get him. Maybe a good target for Indiana and Artest.

[Despot]

Did we not just sign another player a few days ago?? I thought that in the first Memphis game they mentioned someones name that was in the game, did not remember it until now.

Probably mistaken.

[ChumpDumper]

Nazr has value because his contract expires.If we were taking Blount off their hands, that would make sense.
However, me mentioning Al being available didn't mean the spurs could get him. Maybe a good target for Indiana and Artest.I'm not sure Boston is at the point where Artest would do them any good. They've begun a youth movement in earnest -- that's why an erratic guy like Jefferson is getting so many minutes in the first place. Their priority is getting rid of big vet contracts like Blount's to make way for the young guys.

[ChumpDumper]

Did we not just sign another player a few days ago?? I thought that in the first Memphis game they mentioned someones name that was in the game, did not remember it until now.

Probably mistaken.There was nothing on nba.com's transaction page.

[T Park]

Blount aint bad.

How is his rebounding?

Is he considered a banger inside?

Offensively he has a nice jump shot.

[ChumpDumper]

How is his rebounding?If he played the same minutes as Rasho, he would average 3.3 boards per game.

[T Park]

Yikes....

[ChumpDumper]

He is however #1 in the league....


....in turnovers per 48.

I have no idea why the Wolves are even considering trading Kandi for him.

[Brutalis]

Is there anyone in the NBDL worth looking at?
Yes.

NVE will be gone next year more than likely and I personally think SA needs to invite Kareem Reid of my RimRockers to summer camp. The guy has skill that can't be denied. He's experienced and not a kid who turns the ball over.

Got to find some video somewhere to show you guys.

[Despot]

^^^ Yeah, I like the McRib sandwich too

[leemajors]

blount is terrible. read some sports guy articles so you can feel the pain of ainge overpaying guys like him and scalabrine...

[ChumpDumper]

Well, the Rockets finally got around to picking up Chuck Hayes. Kept JL III around for another 10 days as well.

[waly.mg]

Why Nazr or Rasho?

They are talking about a Athletic Big Manu, not a Center

Manu sayed (In Spanish) that TD is the Center 30 minutes a Game when he was answered about Oberto

We need a 8-10 Rebounder by game, he can be a PF or a Center

[Supergirl]

When you have a Center (Rasho) and a small forward (Bowen) that can't rebound and you rely on your number one (Timmy) and guards (Parker and Ginobili) to rebound, you're hosed.

A package of Rasho and Bowen could bring in something to help out.

Bowen is becoming overrated imo. Jaren Jackson could hit 3 pointers.

The Bulls, Pistons, and Lakers won championships without Bowen.

Spurs won't even make it TO the finals without Bowen. He is, and always has been, the most underrated Spur of all time. Without him, Chauncey Billups wins in Game 7 last year. Without him, Kobe or Marion or Rip Hamilton destroys us offensively.

And Rasho is also more valuable to the team and Pop than the fans here seem to get. He is better defensively than most any center out here, and we don't need him to produce offensively. Nazr is a good quality back up center, and I don't think anyone out there who will be available will be as good a back up.

[rashofan1]

We don't need to make a trade, we need to give Nazr more than 5 minutes a night.
Pop gave nazr more than five minutes last night and he did not do a damn thing with them...

[ace3g]

funny thing is, I'm watching the pistons/knicks game and they showed malik rose on the bench, why not go after malik again, lol send nazr back to NY for malik rose, lol now that would be funny

[ChumpDumper]

Chuck Hayes tonight vs. Chicago

32 min
4-5 fg
4-4 ft
4 off reb
13 tot reb
1 ast
1 stl
2 blk
5 pf
12 pts

:hat

[Despot]

Chuck Hayes tonight vs. Chicago

32 min
4-5 fg
4-4 ft
4 off reb
13 tot reb
1 ast
1 stl
2 blk
5 pf
12 pts

:hat

Good line
Never heard of him, is that way off from his typical game?



funny thing is, I'm watching the pistons/knicks game and they showed malik rose on the bench, why not go after malik again, lol send nazr back to NY for malik rose, lol now that would be funny

Almost 26 hours without a follow up post. :lol Guess everyone is getting over that talk. Killed the thread right there it did.

[ChumpDumper]

Good line
Never heard of him, is that way off from his typical game?Who can tell, it's his second game in the NBA. I was just pimping him as the next Malik Rose and saying we should pick him up if we're looking for an athletic rebounder.

[Despot]

Who can tell, it's his second game in the NBA. I was just pimping him as the next Malik Rose and saying we should pick him up if we're looking for an athletic rebounder.

10 day contract?

[ChumpDumper]

Yep.