Nagin: God mad at America

[SequSpur]

Nagin: God mad at America

Mayor Ray Nagin suggested that recent destruction from hurricanes Katrina, Rita and other natural disasters is a sign that "God is mad at America," and also mad at black communities for tearing themselves apart with violence and divisive politics.


"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin said as he and other city leaders commemorated Martin Luther King Day. "Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."


Joking that he may appear to have "post-Katrina stress disorder," Nagin, who is black, talked of an imaginary conversation with the late civil rights leader. They "talked," he said, while he was thinking Monday about what to say at the ceremony outside City Hall to kick off a walking parade in King's honor.


"I said, 'What is it going to take for us to move on and live your dream and make it a reality?' He said, 'I don't think that we need to pay attention any more as much about other folks and racists on the other side.' He said, 'The thing we need to focus on as a community -- black folks I'm talking about -- is ourselves."'


Nagin told the crowd that he also asked, "Why is black-on-black crime such an issue? Why do our young men hate each other so much that they look their brother in the face and they will take a gun and kill him in cold blood?"


The reply, he said, was, "We as a people need to fix ourselves first."


A day earlier, gunfire had erupted at a traditional second-line walking parade to commemorate King's birthday. Three people were wounded in the shooting in broad daylight amid a throng of mostly black spectators, but police at the scene said there were no immediate suspects or even witnesses.


Nagin said King would not have worried less about those committing crimes than about the good people who knew what was right but lacked the courage to do it.


"It's time for all of us good folk to stand up and say we're tired of the violence. We're tired of black folks killing each other," Nagin said.


Nagin also recounted his disappointment with state and federal officials in the days after Katrina, wondering what King would have thought at the sight of so many people stranded at the Louisiana Superdome and the city's convention center for days after the storm, stuck in sweltering heat and lacking adequate food, water and bathrooms.


And, he said, King would have been disappointed at police in suburban and predominantly white Gretna, who turned back people who tried to walk across the Mississippi River bridge in the days after Katrina. Nagin once again accused Gretna officers of using attack dogs and machine gun fire in the air to turn people back, although Gretna officials have disputed that.


But Nagin also said King would have been dismayed with black leaders who are "most of the time tearing each other down publicly for the delight of many."


"Dr. King, if he was here today, he would be talking to us about this problem. The problem we have among ourselves," Nagin said.


What if Mayor Hardberger said something like this but it was about whites?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Nagin rules. I love how Sean Hannity totally edited his speech to make him sound anti-white.

It's like..."How DARE this BLACK MAN speak in the name of god!" (cuz we all know only good old white bush can do that and not get flack for it right?)

[Mixability]

moron! :shootme

[Vashner]

The caine strike was on "decadance day" lol...

[Spurminator]

"Chocolate Town" - Ween

Couldn't taste the taste that I was tastin'
Couldn't hear the waste that I was makin'
Tired of the life I was facin'

Couldn't tell one from another
Couldn't hide a secret from my mother
Any other mother wouldn't bother

Makin' time breakin' ground
Sail brown bay to chocolate town

Got me on the porch I'm in the front row
Says "shit's for real man" like I don't know
Get your punk ass back to the dog show...

Makin' time breakin' ground
Sail brown bay to chocolate town

A new breath I feel the grip releasin'
Scraping my guts off of the ceiling
I've got that sunny bunny feeling

Makin' time breakin' ground
Sail brown bay to chocolate town
Makin' time breakin' ground
Greyhound bus to chocolate town...

[bigzak25]

when God is mad? we will all KNOW it.

[T Park]

Nagin rules

Nagin rules.

Violet Palmer is a good ref.


Anymore drooling retarded statements you wanna make there?

[BrokeBack]

Tpark is so cute when he's sarcastic. I want to take him riding.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Nagin rules.

Violet Palmer is a good ref.


Anymore drooling retarded statements you wanna make there?


Yeah, give me one reason Nagin sucks. Why do portly neocons like yourself get your panties in a bunch when a black guy says he speaks the word of god?

Bush himself wrote a book called "On God and Country" and has claimed to speak the word of God on countless occasions.
Oh wait, he's neocon too. And he's white.

I think Nagin was silly to say all these things but the flack he's getting is stupid too.

[BrokeBack]

Bush is white? Nagin is black? Who gives a fuck? Racists do.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The man claims to speak in the name of god and its hypocritical for people to flame him when they let it slide every time bush does it.

He flat out said the war was fought under false pretenses, which has been shown the world over to be a FACT.

Coincidence that most people who hate this guy are neocon?


He has made some mistakes but so has everyone else still holding office. Why single him out?

[Mixability]

I like Strawberry Milk better. :lol

[bigzak25]

The man claims to speak in the name of god and its hypocritical for people to flame him when they let it slide every time bush does it.

He flat out said the war was fought under false pretenses, which has been shown the world over to be a FACT.

Coincidence that most people who hate this guy are neocon?


He has made some mistakes but so has everyone else still holding office. Why single him out?


false pretenses. TRUE.

but still necessary and still worthy. ALSO TRUE.

[T Park]

Yeah, give me one reason Nagin sucks

Miss that whole hurricane thing?



Why do portly neocons like yourself get your panties in a bunch when a black guy says he speaks the word of god?


Digging and looking much??

I could care less what he says.

Bush doesn't speak on behalf of god, he never says "God is mad" or "God is ecstatic"

But your childish blind socialist hate won't let you see that.

[T Park]

the war was fought under false pretenses, which has been shown the world over to be a FACT.



Yeah, that whole, freeing opressed people sucks, we get it.

[Mixability]

Why do portly neocons like yourself get your panties in a bunch when a black guy says he speaks the word of god?


T Pork doesn't care about black people.

[T Park]

I think Nagin was silly to say all these things but the flack he's getting is stupid too.

If Bush had said these things, youd be giving him flack.

YOu give Bush flack for every other thing he says.


Can't be "balanced" on critique can we?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Miss that whole hurricane thing?




Digging and looking much??

I could care less what he says.

Bush doesn't speak on behalf of god, he never says "God is mad" or "God is ecstatic"

But your childish blind socialist hate won't let you see that.


Once again, in typical neocon fashion, an evasive answer, and a quick finger point. Yall are so typical.

The hurricane thing was not entirely his fault, yet you only flame Nagin. Hmm, wonder if he had a (R) next to his name what you'd be saying about him.

Bush has mentioned the will of god several times in reference to the war in iraq.

[T Park]

T Pork doesn't care about black people

I don't?

News to me...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If Bush had said these things, youd be giving him flack.

YOu give Bush flack for every other thing he says.


Can't be "balanced" on critique can we?


Name one thing Bush has said that I have criticized other than the fact that he purposely led us to war on false assumptions and stupidly refused to acknowledge this until every common american already knew.

I do criticize him about that all the time. Yet somehow in your world you see me blindly criticizing and giving you elusive answers. You're the one doing that.

[T Park]

Hmm, wonder if he had a (R) next to his name what you'd be saying about him.


Id say hes a Kook who fucked up during a hurricane.

Just like Brown did.


Once again, in typical neocon fashion, an evasive answer, and a quick finger point

nothing evasive about it.

And if you don't like truth, then go bury your head in the sand spanky.

[SequSpur]

God isn't punishing the US.

God isn't punishing Black People.

It's 2006, when are bitter people like Nagin going to move on with life?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Yeah, that whole, freeing opressed people sucks, we get it.


whaaa whaat? A neocon evaded the point and fingerpointed to avoid attention to himself?

wha whaaaat? Never seen that happen...unless you count the past 3 times you just did that.

False pretenses. Notice the prefix "Pre" before the "tenses"

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Id say hes a Kook who fucked up during a hurricane.

Just like Brown did.



nothing evasive about it.

And if you don't like truth, then go bury your head in the sand spanky.


Oh so you don't know of me criticizing bush on "everythign he says" like you accused me of?
Oh so you were basically talking out of your ass?

[T Park]

Name one thing Bush has said that I have criticized

The.
I.
We,


Pretty much everything.

[Extra Stout]

Nagin is trying the whole black-preacher-authoritative-type thing to see if it can boost his poll numbers.

If that doesn't work, maybe next he'll go Black Panther Party or else maybe try the Jesse-Jackson-1975-sport-shirt persona.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The.
I.
We,


Pretty much everything.


Wow what a direct sufficient answer, neocon. You shock me with your awesome answering abilities.

[T Park]

It's 2006, when are bitter people like Nagin going to move on with life?

CBF is gonna call you a racist neocon.

Better watch out.

[Mixability]

Id say hes a Kook who fucked up during a hurricane.


wasn't Dumbya on vacation(again) during Katrina?

[T Park]

A neocon evaded the point and fingerpointed to avoid attention to himself

Do you even know what "evaded the point" means anymore??


Your like the stupid bald guy in the princess bride who keeps saying inconcieveable.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So let's recap.
i ask Tpark what nagin did wrong, he said the hurricane thing.
I said alot of people fucked that up not just him.
He mentions Brown.

I say he's mad cuz of the false pretenses thing.
And Tpark comes with the over-hand right, knockout punch of 'well we're defending their freedom'

Then he spits on my fallen body and calls me a Commie.

It appears that I have been owned.

[T Park]

Wow what a direct sufficient answer, neocon. You shock me with your awesome answering abilities.



No problem Commie.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Do you even know what "evaded the point" means anymore??


Your like the stupid bald guy in the princess bride who keeps saying inconcieveable.
And you're like a snake that you try to pin down but just keeps slithering and contorting its body so that it makes it difficult to stay still.

[T Park]

wasn't Dumbya on vacation(again) during Katrina?



What would you want him to do.

Do you not understand the whole "the president cannot procede until the governor of said state allows him to"????

Do you not get that whole thing? Or what.

[SequSpur]

My point of posting this is the SA mayor is white... Now replace black with white in his speech which I wish I could find the entire thing, because he is a racist and you'll understand why I posted this...

Its time to eliminate this double standard.

[Mixability]

So let's recap.
i ask Tpark what nagin did wrong, he said the hurricane thing.
I said alot of people fucked that up not just him.
He mentions Brown.

I say he's mad cuz of the false pretenses thing.
And Tpark comes with the over-hand right, knockout punch of 'well we're defending their freedom'

It appears that I have been owned.


T PORK for President!!!!

[bigzak25]

i'm a commie chameleon.


commie commmie commie commie, commie chameleon, i come and goooooo...i come and goooo...ooooooo



:lol

[T Park]

And you're like a snake that you try to pin down but just keeps slithering and contorting its body so that it makes it difficult to stay still


Drinking early again I see.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

My point of posting this is the SA mayor is white... Now replace black with white in his speech which I wish I could find the entire thing, because he is a racist and you'll understand why I posted this...

Its time to eliminate this double standard.
No doubt if the colors were reversed a white mayor would get ALOT more shit.

I've read the article twice and saw edited clips last night on Scarborough Country. He said one thing that I can think of as racist: 'new orleans needs to stay black and should always be black' i saw that on S.C.

That definitely sounded racist. But the whole business about caring for blacks and ending black crime and griping about katrina's cleanup seems legit to me.

[T Park]

T PORK for President!!!!

do you think your 5 year old name calling bothers me??

Takes alot more than that kiddo.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He's right. Neocons did not get to where they were by succumbing to name calling.

It takes a thick skull and a small heart.

[bigzak25]

don't be calling tpark tpork...

cuz i'm fat too...and i'm offended by my porkiness being compared to tpark. thanks in advance. :tu

[Mixability]

He's right. Neocons did not get to where they were by succumbing to name calling.

It takes a thick skull and a small heart.

Damn typo. I'm gonna have to go back to Kinkos to re-do these banners! :pctoss

[Mixability]

don't be calling tpark tpork...

cuz i'm fat too...and i'm offended by my porkiness being compared to tpark. thanks in advance. :tu

my apologies! porky! :angel :lol

[Vashner]

Let's compare San Antonio's emergency bunker to New Orleans..

Oh wait.. they didn't have one. Just a hotel room with a cell phone...

Pathetic..... very very pathetic..

We have 2 bunkers with backup power, sat and VHF comm and other resources.

[SequSpur]

Let's compare San Antonio's emergency bunker to New Orleans..

Oh wait.. they didn't have one. Just a hotel room with a cell phone...

Pathetic..... very very pathetic..

We have 2 bunkers with backup power, sat and VHF comm and other resources.

SA has/had 5 military installations here as well.

[pache100]

So what? I think Ray Nagin has said a lot of things in the heat of the moment. There will probably be more remarks that we think are off the wall before his city returns to normal, if it ever does.

He's not the first to say that Hurricane Katrina is "God's wrath" or "God's revenge".

Some rabbi in Israel said it was God's retribution for the pullout in the Gaza Strip! That was said right after the hurricane. And our own ( :throwupsp) Pat Robertson said it was (and I quote), "God’s way of expressing its anger at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for its selection of Ellen Degeneres to host this year’s Emmy Awards."

I heard many reports of so-called "religious leaders" of various faiths saying that Katrina struck New Orleans because it was an "evil city".

I think Ray Nagin's take is pretty mild compared to some. Generally speaking, I do not agree with him, but, considering what he's been through in the last 4 1/2 months, I think he's allowed a rant.

[Shelly]

i'm a commie chameleon.


commie commmie commie commie, commie chameleon, i come and goooooo...i come and goooo...ooooooo



:lol

:lol

That was funny!

[mookie2001]

falwell.



robertson.

have more money, more followers/constituants, more TV time, and say stupider shit

[CharlieMac]

What a horrible comment. Sadly it's one of many idiotic comments he's made. Let's not forget his comments about Mexicans over-running that dump of a city. I don't care if he's black, hispanic, or white.

He and Robertson need to think before they speak. This is, Robertson is a religious leader, not the mayor of a city.

[samikeyp]

My point of posting this is the SA mayor is white... Now replace black with white in his speech which I wish I could find the entire thing, because he is a racist and you'll understand why I posted this...

Its time to eliminate this double standard.

Well said.

[MannyIsGod]

CBF, I'm really shocked you thing this guy rules. He's an absolute moron and people like him being in positions of power are one reason the black community suffers. When your leaders are idiots, how are they going to effectivly lead?

The comments he made about god being mad at the US were way out of line. First of all, I hate when politicians decide to preach about god. Its not their place! That speech sounded like a liberal BigZak post and its retarded. The man thinks he knows what God is thinking? Right.

And his comments about race coudln't be further out of place on MLK day! There doesn't even need to be an explanation on that.

This guy is a complete idiot, and I hope he's voted out in a landslide.

[Vashner]

I like Nagan. When he said "get off your asses" was a classic.

Only why didn't he use the giant loading docs to load some water and canned drinks / goods into the back? They had plenty time warning to pull up a few 18 wheelers and just back them up to the loading docks..

If they can move in Motley Crew in 2 hours they can move a couple trucks of water..

[Kori Ellis]

"Dark Chocolate and White Milk make a delicious chocolate drink" :lmao

[mookie2001]

I hope yall can admit some of what he said was true

you had illegal mexican workers being PAID to REbuilding a city in which most people lost their jobs and had to move away because they had no homes and jobs

and the new CITY of new orleans will be mostly black
how and why would it be any different

these are facts

I also hate when people especially politcians talk about god and speak for him

but falwell, robertson, ann coulter and sean hannity have said shit that is much much stupider

[Extra Stout]

and the new CITY of new orleans will be mostly black
how and why would it be any different

New Orleans:
No opportunity
No jobs
Haitian-quality school system
White people conspiring to keep them from coming back

Other places:
Opportunity
Jobs
American-quality school system (eh)
White people not conspiring as hard to expel them

[Spurminator]

You keep bringing up Conservative pundits like people DON'T think those guys are douchebags.

Why can't you just call bullshit bullshit and leave it alone? Why does this have to be about which side is more full of shit?

You hate for all things conservative has caused you to take sides with a guy who has his head about as far up his chocolate hole as it can possibly go. That's how idiots like this get elected.

[mookie2001]

Im not taking sides

check the thread

some of what he said was the truth

some (LIKE SPEAKING FOR GOD) was total bullshit

[Spurminator]

You know, a lot of complete morons had a couple of valid points here and there.

Pick your fights.

[Vashner]

Let's make a Bubba Gump Shrimp company now that all them shrimp boats are messed up from the storm.

[Extra Stout]

Us conservatives would have taken over Victoria already if not for you meddling kids.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

CBF, I'm really shocked you thing this guy rules. He's an absolute moron and people like him being in positions of power are one reason the black community suffers. When your leaders are idiots, how are they going to effectivly lead?

The comments he made about god being mad at the US were way out of line. First of all, I hate when politicians decide to preach about god. Its not their place! That speech sounded like a liberal BigZak post and its retarded. The man thinks he knows what God is thinking? Right.

And his comments about race coudln't be further out of place on MLK day! There doesn't even need to be an explanation on that.

This guy is a complete idiot, and I hope he's voted out in a landslide.

I think he rules because he had the balls to call out the federal government and started the whole "blame game" drama.
I also like anyone who's willing to shake stuff up. I did not truely sense any real "racist" remarks in what he said, I don't think he hates whites, but like Extra Stout said (i think it was him) he's just trying to garner more votes. And every politician does this in his or her own way.
His comments about race were out of place on MLK day, but I dont think he was being intentionally racist.

As for his god comments, I said they were stupid, but focusing on them is stupid too. People do this all the time.

I think he made a bunch of mistakes and could have done alot better handling the katrina thing and handling his situation now, but I'm not a resident of LA or New Orleans, and its not my place to call for him to step down or try to vote someone else in.

If the people of NO see this guy for his dumb actions and ineptness he will be replaced.

[hussker]

Tpark is so cute when he's sarcastic. I want to take him riding.

HAHA! That is SOOOO BrokeBack!

[Extra Stout]

Washington, DC once voted a crack addict mayor over a black guy with a PhD in city management.

Voters thought the PhD guy was "acting white."

[Oh, Gee!!]

acting white is probably worse than being white

[mookie2001]

Voters thought the PhD guy was "acting white."

which ones?