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romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:05 AM
To protect his wife. I would have done the same thing. I hope no suspension or fines are handed down. He didnt cause any trouble, just calmly ran to the spot,

Amuseddaysleeper
01-19-2006, 12:06 AM
what happend??!?!

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 12:07 AM
He'll probably be suspended just because but I don't blame him for doing what he did. Just from the video that they showed on ESPN the guy sitting next to his wife looked like he was being an ass.

snowboarder
01-19-2006, 12:07 AM
saw on espn that he went into stands because some fan was sitting next to his wife? dont know what he was doing though.

but THERE will be a suspension they said, or was it fine?

Brutalis
01-19-2006, 12:07 AM
WTF happend

romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:08 AM
what happend??!?!

He saw his wife kinda falling backwards or something and he ran to her aid. She was about ten rows up. Security got to him 10 years later.

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 12:09 AM
He saw his wife kinda falling backwards or something and he ran to her aid. She was about ten rows up. Security got to him 10 years later.

Yeah security was terrible. The whole thing went on for about a minute before security even got there. Hell the ref was there to get him before the security. Everybody was pointing out the guy that started it but he was pretty much in denial.

Manu20
01-19-2006, 12:10 AM
Knick's Davis goes into stands in Chicago

CHICAGO(AP) Antonio Davis was ejected for going into the stands in overtime before Ben Gordon hit a game-winning jumper at the buzzer to lift the Chicago Bulls to a wild 106-104 victory over the New York Knicks on Wednesday night.

There was no physical confrontation, but several people could be seen pointing and shouting for several moments before security finally arrived and Davis was ejected.

During a timeout, Davis jumped over the scorers' table and ascended about 10 rows of seats before the confrontation started. A group of people in the area of the confrontation were later escorted from the area by United Center security.

Knicks coach Larry Brown said Davis had gone into the stands because he saw his wife "falling back," but didn't elaborate.

"That's his wife," Brown said. "That's entirely different. I was worried about Kendra. That's why he went in the stands, he saw her falling back.

"That thing that happened in the stands had nothing to do with the two teams. That's a man concerned about his family."

Gordon, who scored 32 points, hit his winning shot after New York's Jamal Crawford tied it at 104 with a 3-pointer with 4.6 seconds left.

After a timeout, Gordon caught the inbound pass near the top of the key and hit a jumper over Trevor Ariza, bringing a wild game to an end.

Guru of Nothing
01-19-2006, 12:11 AM
what happend??!?!

I'm guessing a young, white male under the infuence of alcohol was involved.

Just a guess.

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 12:12 AM
I'm guessing a young, white male under the infuence of alcohol was involved.

Just a guess.
Older white male. Alcohol looked to be present.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 12:12 AM
He should get suspended. There was no reason for him to enter the stands. None.

romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:12 AM
Yeah security was terrible. The whole thing went on for about a minute before security even got there. Hell the ref was there to get him before the security. Everybody was pointing out the guy that started it but he was pretty much in denial.

I'm just glad cool heads prevailed. The last thing the NBA needs is another brawl.

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 12:13 AM
I'm sorry if I see my family possibly being threatened without a sight of security around I'm going in.

milkyway21
01-19-2006, 12:14 AM
Security got to him 10 years later.


you mean 10 sec?

BTW, speaking of some character of someone sitting next to you, that scene when Eva was being kissed by a mascot in a Memphis game last Saturday, was kind of funny to me....:lol

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 12:14 AM
I'm just glad cool heads prevailed. The last thing the NBA needs is another brawl.

Yeah davis was pretty calm going up there. He didn't grab the first kid he saw by the throat.

Dre_7
01-19-2006, 12:16 AM
He should get suspended. There was no reason for him to enter the stands. None.

Yeah, I mean saying his wife in trouble is no reason.

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 12:16 AM
Yeah, I mean saying his wife in trouble is no reason.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:16 AM
Security got to him 10 years later.


you mean 10 sec?

BTW, speaking of some character of someone sitting next to you, that scene when Eva was being kissed by a mascot in a Memphis game last Saturday, was kind of funny to me....:lol

No I meant 10 YEARS!

angel_luv
01-19-2006, 12:17 AM
I hope the league is leniant in light of the situation and the fact that , according to what I heard on the REACT, Antonio has never been a problem player.

Guru of Nothing
01-19-2006, 12:17 AM
He should get suspended. There was no reason for him to enter the stands. None.

9 times out of 10 that might be my initial reaction, but I'm inclined to give Antonio Davis the benefit of the doubt, especially if I thought my wife was being shoved.

Need more details.

I blame Stern.

Buddy Holly
01-19-2006, 12:17 AM
Any video?

romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:18 AM
He should get suspended. There was no reason for him to enter the stands. None.

I feel sorry for your girlfriend,wife,boyfriend or your wrist, whichever is dearest to you.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 12:19 AM
Yeah, I mean saying his wife in trouble is no reason.

How would he know? Don't they have security right behind the bench? Why not tell them?

Guru of Nothing
01-19-2006, 12:19 AM
I'm sorry if I see my family possibly being threatened without a sight of security around I'm going in.

What? ... No "You go girl!"

Aggie Hoopsfan
01-19-2006, 12:20 AM
He should get suspended. There was no reason for him to enter the stands. None.

You're a fucking idiot, and obviously single with only dates with Rosy Palms in your immediate future.

Family, God, Country. You don't fuck with family.

Dre_7
01-19-2006, 12:22 AM
How would he know? Don't they have security right behind the bench? Why not tell them?

Security? Did you see how long it took them to get up there?

If I saw a loved one in danger I would do the same thing.

What would you say if it were Ben Wallace going to his wife's aid???

Dre_7
01-19-2006, 12:25 AM
Oh and his kids were there too.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 12:27 AM
Security? Did you see how long it took them to get up there?

If I saw a loved one in danger I would do the same thing.

What would you say if it were Ben Wallace going to his wife's aid???

I'd say the same thing. Look, the rules state you can't enter the stands for any reason. Why are you guys equating this to real life?

Dre_7
01-19-2006, 12:30 AM
I'd say the same thing. Look, the rules state you can't enter the stands for any reason. Why are you guys equating this to real life?

Cuz one's family is a lot more important than a damn game.

romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:30 AM
I'd say the same thing. Look, the rules state you can't enter the stands for any reason. Why are you guys equating this to real life?

So this isnt real life?

romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:32 AM
IF Davis stood there and screamed for security while some drunkard beat his wife to a pulp what would you say then? Dont be a jackass.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 12:32 AM
Cuz one's family is a lot more important than a damn game.

True, but that still doesn't mean he shouldn't get suspended...

Pistons < Spurs
01-19-2006, 12:34 AM
I would have thought that everyone learned to never go into the stands.

He was concerned because according to LB his wife was "falling back"???? WTF is that? Fall where? 2 feet to the floor?

Instead of going into the stands, he could have told his coaches or security. He could have stayed on the court and spoken loudly so that people 10 rows up heard him and took care of his wife. He could have called a time-out. He had plenty of options. He chose wrong. I appreciate the fact that he was concerned about his family. But you don't go into the stands. Period.

He should get a suspension. Not a large one. But you do not go into the stands. He knows that. He decided that his wife was important enough to suffer a penalty. I appreciate that. He did it for the right reason. But he still knows there are repercussions.

Pistons < Spurs
01-19-2006, 12:36 AM
IF Davis stood there and screamed for security while some drunkard beat his wife to a pulp what would you say then? Dont be a jackass.

AHHHHH. but she wasn't getting beat to a pulp.

Spurminator
01-19-2006, 12:36 AM
Thank God we have the level heads at ESPN to make sense of this all for us.

milkyway21
01-19-2006, 12:37 AM
i can ANOTHER of Stern's courtside rules coming up soon.......:lol

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 12:38 AM
IF Davis stood there and screamed for security while some drunkard beat his wife to a pulp what would you say then? Dont be a jackass.


And if another brawl came out of this because of what he thought was happening, you know he could be wrong, what would you say?

Sec24Row7
01-19-2006, 12:40 AM
He'll get suspended, but im pretty sure it's not gonna be a big one.

You never know though...

Stu Jackson is an ass.

Spurminator
01-19-2006, 12:42 AM
If there was a brawl this would be newsworthy. Then ESPN could collectively express their outrage and disgust at the incident while showing clips over and over for the next three months.

Instead we have a guy who went calmly into the stands with no incident, and we can still expect it to be dissected ad nauseum for the next two weeks.

Should Davis be suspended? Probably, because those are the rules. I'm sure he feels it's a worthwhile trade off. But frankly I don't want to see his suspension decided by Scott Van Pelt or Mike & Mike in the Morning.

romsey31
01-19-2006, 12:44 AM
And if another brawl came out of this because of what he thought was happening, you know he could be wrong, what would you say?

I'd say you're a virgin & have no idea what real love is either. If you love someone there is NOWAY you can stand there if you think something is happening. ABSOLUTELY NOWAY!!

spurs=bling
01-19-2006, 12:47 AM
i can ANOTHER of Stern's courtside rules coming up soon.......:lol


Come DS give us the new rules already :rolleyes

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 12:48 AM
I'd say you're a virgin & have no idea what real love is either. If you love someone there is NOWAY you can stand there if you think something is happening. ABSOLUTELY NOWAY!!

Look, I'm not saying the guy is an asshole or isn't justified in a normal setting/situation. The NBA isn't the bar or a party.

There is no reason to enter the stands under NBA rules. EVER. He should get suspended.

What's love got to do, got to do with it...

Dre_7
01-19-2006, 12:50 AM
Family > Basketball

If I were in his position, I would have done the same thing. I dont blame him at all.

SouthernFried
01-19-2006, 12:52 AM
I think Detroit fans are a little sensitive about going into the stands.

You bet your ass there's a reason to go into the stands...and this is one of them. If you think your wife's in trouble...fuck rules, fuck basketball.

And there's reasons not to go into the stands, what happened in Big D. Unruely fans to players is for security to handle, not the players.

You gotta take these on a case by case basis.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 12:54 AM
Family > Basketball

If I were in his position, I would have done the same thing. I dont blame him at all.


Ahhh, well neither do I. He prolly overreacted in a good way(protecting his family) and will get suspended for it(NBA rules).

spurs=bling
01-19-2006, 12:57 AM
okay now lets put it this way.

if the something like that were happing to Mrs.Duncan or Mrs.Bowen and kids, what would Tim or Bruce do?

Melmart1
01-19-2006, 01:02 AM
Wwtdd?

dknights411
01-19-2006, 01:18 AM
He should get suspended. There was no reason for him to enter the stands. None.

I'm sorry, but if that was my wife, I would have done the exact thing, and so would you. Davis will most likley get suspended for a week at most.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 01:35 AM
I think Detroit fans are a little sensitive about going into the stands.

You bet your ass there's a reason to go into the stands...and this is one of them. If you think your wife's in trouble...fuck rules, fuck basketball.

And there's reasons not to go into the stands, what happened in Big D. Unruely fans to players is for security to handle, not the players.

You gotta take these on a case by case basis.


What if it was his brother or best friend got into a fight in the stands? What if it was just a women he knew really well as a friend?

I just think it's a slippery slope.

Brutalis
01-19-2006, 01:47 AM
Anyone who insults Davis or thinks he should be punished is a complete fucking idiot and lost any respect I might have had for them on this forum.

Imagine if that was your wife, and your kids. Lucky that fool didn't get the shit knocked out of him.

Brighten up, posters, or get the fuck out of this forum.

polandprzem
01-19-2006, 01:53 AM
I would do the same.
But I would be suspended as well, and no matter what I'm taking the suspension

Brutalis
01-19-2006, 01:55 AM
I would do the same.
But I would be suspended as well, and no matter what I'm taking the suspension
It's worth it.

xcoriate
01-19-2006, 01:56 AM
^ man when did you become an idiot, maybe i just noticed it...


Sounds like he did an admirable thing, had a cool head about etc. Still NBA rules state you dont go into the stands, I think a lenient suspension will be handed out, I can understand Antonio's position and I can understand the leagues. Its not that big an issue, why make it one?

Brutalis
01-19-2006, 02:21 AM
I meant punished severely.

We all know he will be suspended.

T-Pain
01-19-2006, 02:40 AM
i think the league should impose a small fine and not suspend him, he went into the stands to protect his family. i woulda done the same thing

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-19-2006, 02:46 AM
Steve Kerr is a fucking idiot, eh Aggie Fan?

Rick Von Braun
01-19-2006, 09:08 AM
Steve Kerr
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhJiiH3uxshgXaDArPmX7E.8vLYF?slug=sk-davis011806&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

In light of the Indiana Pacers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/ind/)-Detroit Pistons (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/det/) brawl last season, every NBA player knows without question that, regardless of the circumstances, it is not allowable to ever, ever enter the stands. Antonio Davis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/2143/)' decision to do so Wednesday night in Chicago – in response to a fan's apparent heckling of Davis' wife – was an unfortunate incident but a mistake on Davis' part.

It is difficult to say what any of us would do in a similar situation, but I believe that given the league rules – and the nature of any incident that takes place in front of 20,000 people – the player has to quickly point out the situation to security and trust that other fans in the area will come to the aid of any person who is being threatened.

For his part, Davis said he thought he saw his wife fall backward while being confronted by the heckler, and he understandably was scared and felt he had to react. But the reality is that, in general, a player who enters the stands probably puts himself – and the fans – at risk, as we saw at The Palace of Auburn Hills.

As for security, there is only so much that can be done at an NBA game to prevent this sort of thing from happening. The security force in Chicago reacted quickly and prevented any further escalation of the incident, but there is no way they can be everywhere at once. These things are going to happen, particularly with the sales of alcohol at the arenas, but it is up to the players to trust that league and arena security will handle any altercations, even if they include family members.
Davis will most likely be suspended by the NBA. David Stern came down hard on all the participants in the Pacers-Pistons brawl, and while this is a much less severe incident and a much more understandable reaction by the player, Davis nonetheless broke a very serious league rule. My guess is that he will receive at least a three-game suspension – possibly more. I disagree with one aspect of Kerr said... if Davis gets suspended, and rightfully so for violating the rules, then the Bulls should get a fine or some penalty for their blunder with security.

There is no reason to explain why security took soooo long (at least more than 1 minute) to get there. If in the interest of business alcohol is served at the NBA Arenas and consequently increasing the chances of some moron doing something stupid, then I think teams should hire more security personnel to compensate for that fact. A response time larger than 30 seconds is unacceptable and probably due to the cheap asses hiring fewer than required security people.

The penalty should go both ways to set the example. There is no way you can ask basketball players to remain in the court if they cannot trust the security at the arenas to react adequately to difuse the situations fast and efficiently.

pache100
01-19-2006, 09:19 AM
I agree with Steve Kerr 100%. He had absolutely no business going into the stands for any reason. There were many other ways he could have handled this situation. He reacted, and he reacted wrong. He has to accept the consequences now. It turned out ok and nobody got hurt in this particular case; it could very easily have turned out much differently. And, I hope all the other players in the league learn a lesson from this. THERE IS NEVER A SUFFICIENT REASON FOR A PLAYER TO GO INTO THE STANDS.

pache100
01-19-2006, 09:23 AM
Anyone who insults Davis or thinks he should be punished is a complete fucking idiot and lost any respect I might have had for them on this forum.

IMO, only a "complete fucking idiot" would say something like that.


Imagine if that was your wife, and your kids. Lucky that fool didn't get the shit knocked out of him.

Davis could just as easily have gotten "the shit knocked out of him", too. Then what would have he have accomplished?


Brighten up, posters, or get the fuck out of this forum.

Get over yourself. Every opinion stated here is just as important as yours. Even those that disagree with you.

easjer
01-19-2006, 10:51 AM
I'm with Pistons<Spurs and Disgruntled Lions Fan. I admire his coming to the aid of his wife, but he chose to break a cardinal rule in the league to do that. I'm glad he was calm about it. I'm glad that cool heads reacted quickly. I'm glad there was no escalation.

But he should be suspended, because he broke a very sensible and necessary rule, even if it was for the 'right' reasons. I hope he isn't suspended for a long term, but he should be suspended.

One question no one seems to be asking, but that I have (since I haven't seen the footage) is why was he paying attention to his wife and not the game/huddle? And if they are on the road, why shouldn't the players and their families expect to be heckled? I expect to be heckled if I go to a Spurs/Rockets game in Spurs gear, why should they expect any difference?

Obi wan Ginobili
01-19-2006, 11:04 AM
"There is never a reason to go into the stands"

Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili both went into the stands at last nights game vs the Bucks.

pache100
01-19-2006, 11:07 AM
One question no one seems to be asking, but that I have (since I haven't seen the footage) is why was he paying attention to his wife and not the game/huddle?

BINGO!

pache100
01-19-2006, 11:10 AM
sounds like this game could have gotten out of hand in the blink of an eye...

Bulls 106, Knicks 104, O.T.
Knicks Have Wild Finish on Court and in the Stands

By JOHN ELIGON
Published: January 19, 2006
CHICAGO, Jan. 18 - The Knicks and the Bulls played an emotionally charged game Wednesday night, but the most intense moment had nothing to do with what happened on the court, where Ben Gordon hit a game-winning shot at the buzzer in overtime to lift Chicago, 106-104.

With 1 minute 4 seconds remaining in the extra session, Antonio Davis, a former Chicago Bull, walked off the court and into the stands. Davis was upset over the fans' actions toward his wife, Kendra, who had to restrain Davis.

"I witnessed my wife being threatened by a man that I learned later to be intoxicated," Davis, the president of the players union, said in a statement after he was ejected. "I saw him touch her and I know I should not have acted the way I did, but I would have felt terrible if I didn't react. There was no time to call security. It happened too quickly."

Davis's action are certain to be reviewed by the commissioner's office and a suspension of a least one game seems likely, given the embarrassment over the brawl last year at the Palace at Auburn Hills.

Davis, who is known to be level-headed, was supported by his teammates and Coach Larry Brown. Last season, on Nov. 19, Brown was the coach of the Detroit Pistons, who were involved with a brawl with the Indiana Pacers that spilled into the stands and then back onto the court. In that game, Indiana's Ron Artest charged into the stands and earned a record 73-game suspension. Several players also faced criminal charges.

But Brown said Wednesday night's events were entirely different.

"That's his wife up there," Brown said. "We were worried about Kendra. He saw her fall back and someone flailing."

When play resumed and the Bulls leading by 102-99 with 9.1 seconds to play, Jamal Crawford, also a former Bull, was fouled while shooting a 3-pointer from the left corner. Crawford missed the first and made the second two.

Crawford, who led the Knicks with 19 points, redeemed himself with a 3-pointer with 4.6 seconds left to tie the game at 104-104.

But Gordon, who led all scorers with 32 points, answered with a jumper from just inside the 3-point line as time expired.

Gordon has a history of breaking the Knicks' hearts.

Almost a year ago to the day - Jan. 17, 2005 - Gordon beat the Knicks with an eight-foot fadeaway with a tenth of a second to play to give Chicago an 88-86 victory. Last April, Gordon beat the Knicks with a jumper with 5.8 seconds left that gave the Bulls a 92-91 victory.

Before the scintillating finish, tempers flared.

Knicks forward Maurice Taylor and Bulls guard Chris Duhon got into a shoving match with under three minutes remaining in overtime, and both were later ejected for exchanging words while walking to their benches for a timeout.

The rookie Nate Robinson, who finished with 17 points, helped fill the void left by Stephon Marbury, who had his games-played streak snapped at 280.

Eddy Curry, in his first game back to the United Center after an acrimonious split with Chicago, struggled through foul trouble and scored 11 points before fouling out with 51.1 seconds left in overtime. He sustained a muscle spasm behind his shoulder after diving for a loose ball and colliding with Gordon midway through the fourth quarter. Curry lay on the court for about four minutes, and returned for overtime.

"It was one of the most difficult things I had to do in my life," Curry said. "Playing against a team that I grew up cheering for and a team that gave me my first opportunity to play in the N.B.A."

After Knicks center Jerome James gave his team a 66-65 lead with a layup to open the fourth quarter, the Bulls outscored the Knicks, 12-2, to jump ahead by 9 points, 77-68.

Robinson, with five fouls to his name, returned to the court after Curry's injury and made his impact felt right away. The Knicks outscored the Bulls 21-13 with Robinson in the game late in the fourth.

Robinson drew two fouls on Gordon, the second while he was shooting a 3-pointer. Robinson hit all five free throws, and a sixth after a technical foul on Bulls Coach Scott Skiles.

Robinson's three foul shots cut the Bulls' lead to 86-82. A short time later, he picked up a Bulls turnover, raced it up the court and drew a foul. His two free throws tied the game at 86-86 and set up the frantic finish.

Gordon drove down the right side of the lane and converted a finger roll that gave his team a 92-90 lead with just over 25 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. But Robinson answered by knifing through the Bulls' defense for a layup of his own that eventually sent the game into overtime.

Crawford had hung in the air to sink a double-pump layup that tied the game with 40.3 seconds left. Brown started Crawford in place of Marbury, and Robinson moved over to be the primary ball handler. Robinson was stellar as was Quentin Richardson coming off the bench.

Marbury sat on the bench wearing a dark brown suit. He injured his shoulder against the Minnesota Timberwolves on Monday. Brown did offer Marbury the option of playing a couple of token minutes to keep his streak alive, saying, "It's an incredible streak when you consider the bumps and bruises he gets."

Marbury, though understanding of Brown's intentions, respectfully declined.

"I don't want my kids to look back and say, 'My father went on the court just to keep up the streak,'" Marbury said. "That's cowardly to me. It's like trying to uphold something that shouldn't be upheld by going on the court and coming back off. If you can't play, don't play."

Marbury said doctors had told him that he could recover within nine days.

Should that prognosis hold true, Marbury would miss Thursday night's game against the Detroit Pistons, Saturday night's game against the New Orleans Hornets and he would be questionable for next Wednesday's game against the Sacramento Kings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/19/sports/basketball/19knicks.html

Despot
01-19-2006, 11:41 AM
He will get suspended, this is the second incident in about a week where players have entered the stands, and the league will probably try to end it now. However, I am sure that he will be ok with the suspension.

Most people will break the law in order to protect their family, and rightfully so, but after all is said and done you need to pay the consequences. The problem is putting your family members in that position in the first place, I mean a home game can be dangerous, much less a road game. I don't think most players take wives and children to games because they know it is dangerous. C'mon, spring for front row tickets, or get a bodyguard for the game.

mathbzh
01-19-2006, 12:25 PM
I understand his reaction. Anyone would probably have the same reaction.
Davis is a man before being a player.
But I agree it may be dangerous if a player goes into the stand.
But it is the league job to handle security.
If for security concerns a player must not go into the stand it should not be possible.
If a player WANTS to go into the stands, he should not be able to.
Otherwise it means that the league don't assure the fans and players security.

Johnny_Blaze_47
01-19-2006, 12:35 PM
Looks like it'll be ten games.

The video is on ESPN Motion at ESPN.com.

He went in pretty calmly and was trying to see what was going on as he's walking through the stands.

That's his wife and son. People would be wondering why he didn't do everything he could if something happened to his family.

Ten games and ten paychecks are nothing compared to the health of my family (and in his case, his family).

Rummpd
01-19-2006, 12:36 PM
This is a no brainer, family first.

Johnny_Blaze_47
01-19-2006, 12:42 PM
CNN.com has the video, too.

Despot
01-19-2006, 12:59 PM
I just hope this stuff doesn't continue to happen, I would hate to see dividers between the court and the fans.

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 01:11 PM
I think that he should get suspended for going into the stands as well but it seems like its always easy for people to say "he shouldn't have done that", "he had plenty of options." But for some reason people also forget that these guys are also human and that they have human instincts as well. Who cares if its a close friend, wife, sibling or anybody that you care a lot about. If you see them in trouble you react first and worry about the consequences later. I comended him for keeping his cool and not grabbing the first person he saw by the throat. So suspended yes, but to deny his human instinct to protect his family is ridiculous.

And for that snooty chicago reporter that appeared on Cold Pizza this morning to give "her side" of the story, a word of advice: Stick to the damn facts and stop adding your own little bits and pieces to the story.

Kori Ellis
01-19-2006, 01:16 PM
And if they are on the road, why shouldn't the players and their families expect to be heckled? I expect to be heckled if I go to a Spurs/Rockets game in Spurs gear, why should they expect any difference?

Why would the families be heckled/confronted in any circumstance? They are just sitting watching the game. The point of this isn't the heckling though -- he thought he saw her fall back -- that's why he went up in the stands. Obviously he's going to get suspended for breaking the rule, but I'd think that most players (people) would react the same way if they saw their loved ones in trouble.

Kori Ellis
01-19-2006, 01:18 PM
"I witnessed my wife being threatened by a man that I learned later to be intoxicated," Davis, the president of the players union, said in a statement after he was ejected. "I saw him touch her and I know I should not have acted the way I did, but I would have felt terrible if I didn't react. There was no time to call security. It happened too quickly."

That sums up the whole thing.

boutons_
01-19-2006, 01:18 PM
"From my armchair, Monday morning", :)

he could have run down the sideline to get right in front of his wife's seat, to see more clearly what was going on, and then if necessary try to draw the attention of the people adjacent his wife to get involved, before going into the stands himself.

infinite styles
01-19-2006, 01:20 PM
They said this morning that the guy behind here kept telling her to shut up and sit down and got mad because she was standing up too much in the fourth quarter.

romsey31
01-19-2006, 03:56 PM
They said this morning that the guy behind here kept telling her to shut up and sit down and got mad because she was standing up too much in the fourth quarter.

posterd by Victory on the indystar msg board:

Right after the game, live on air, all the ESPN analysts were calling Detroit fans punks. But they changed the story and blamed it on Ron after the fact. I see what your saying, AD's actions could have caused a terrible situation, much like Ron's. He put himself and his team in a bad spot. Your teammates would have no choice but to help you out in a situation like that. It turned out OK, and he had good intentions and acted calm. But what if the fans didn't act so cool?

sickdsm
01-19-2006, 04:16 PM
Fuck that. I don't care what he THOUGHT he saw. The truth is it didn't happan. So Ron Artest is off the hook if he would have said, "I thought Fat Ass was throwing the beer at my new pop group so i went to protect them"? What, your going to say all bets are off because he touched her? Did he shove her? Apparently not, did he hit or strike her? Apparently not. I've seen the video of him going into the stands but nothing else. But everything else points to that he overacted. Touching is being implied that he was pushing her down, which only AD tries to push. Although he backing away from that by saying it looked like instead of it happaned. Beer strewn at your grill for no reason or a couple of fans telling your ill-manored family to plop there asses down because they on the other hand actually had to work a few days to witness this thrilling game. Gee, i wonder which is more reason to confront someone. Face it, if you agree with AD and not artest, your basing this on the person's charactor, not what they did. A bunch of Texans of all people acting like they would back down from someone throwing beer in there face.

"According to a fan seated near Davis' family, one fan complained that Davis' kids were obstructing his view by standing. The unidentified fan exchanged words with Kendra and physical contact was made, although no punches were thrown. Antonio Davis saw the scene unfold from the bench during a timeout with Chicago leading 100-97 and immediately reacted. "You go up there every time," Taylor said. "Just like you guys have families, if you're at the game and you turn around and see someone pushing your wife and getting into it with your wife, I don't think you're going to worry about what the score is." New York Daily News

"According to a source, the televised footage from the incident that was handed over last night to NBA security showed the heckler complaining to security that Davis' wife, would not sit down, that he was just asking her to take a seat. The heckler was removed from the building and was not identified." New York Post


"After being encouraged by his wife and son to leave the scene, (Antonio Davis) walked down the stairs and jumped up onto the scorers' table, evoking for a moment memories of Ron Artest's infamous lay-down on the table in Detroit last season that helped ignite the ugly brawl between Pacers players and Pistons fans." Newark Star-Ledger

sickdsm
01-19-2006, 04:20 PM
Another thing, i'd like to know why her and that family wasn't escorted out of the building. If that was Jumana and TJ and a mother with her two kids were standing below her and a similar scene erupted, i guarandamntee you that she would be standing outside the building on her cell learning from her husband how Vince Carter took over in the last two minutes to lead the Kidd-less Nets to a victory.

Ed Helicopter Jones
01-19-2006, 04:30 PM
I would have done exactly what Antonio did if I was fearful of my wife's safety at that moment.

I'm sure his reaction was instinctual. It was a dangerous move, to be sure, but when you love your family most men tend to react passionately to protect them.

He didn't really have time to calculate the possible consequences and probably didn't care about that in the moment things were happening. Had he started beating on the guy that would have changed things dramatically, but he was just making sure she was ok.

Security needs to be close to the families of the visitors at these games because there are so many idiot fans out there nowadays. I'd say the fault is with the Chicago security moreso than with Antonio Davis.

DDS4
01-19-2006, 05:08 PM
Interesting....the dude is filing a lawsuit against Kendra and Antonio Davis claiming she went after him first.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2298240

Shelly
01-19-2006, 05:20 PM
Interesting....the dude is filing a lawsuit against Kendra and Antonio Davis claiming she went after him first.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2298240


That's the American way!

Obstructed_View
01-19-2006, 05:22 PM
Since this is in the wrong forum, and since there are a half dozen threads on this topic, I'm crossposting.

ESPNews just showed a video of Antonio's wife in the face of a fan who was sitting in his seat motioning for security while she wagged her finger at him. It also shows that the fan was no longer in the area when Antonio came into the stands. My opinion of this situation just changed. Dee Brown's analysis of the video was sickening as he defended Davis' wife.

Somebody's wife got in a fight with someone at a playoff game one year. I wonder if it was her.

dknights411
01-19-2006, 05:50 PM
BTW, Davis get a 5 game suspension today.

From Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkLaJTT2CYSY1vWIzgGi95I5nYcB?slug=ap-knicks-davissuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns)

That's about as much as I expected.

boutons_
01-19-2006, 05:51 PM
NBA Suspends Davis for Five Games

By Brian Mahoney
Associated Press
Thursday, January 19, 2006; 5:37 PM

NEW YORK -- New York Knicks forward Antonio Davis was suspended five games by the NBA on Thursday for entering the stands during a game at Chicago to confront a fan he thought was harassing his wife.

While the ruling by NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson showed the league accepted Davis' argument that he believed his wife was in trouble during Wednesday's game, it also made clear that entering the stands would not be tolerated, no matter the circumstances.

"We have made it plain to our players and our fans that players may not enter the spectator stands, no matter the provocation, and that violations of this policy will be treated with the utmost seriousness," Jackson said in a statement.

"We have concluded, however, that Antonio's actions were the result of his belief that his family members required his immediate assistance, and have taken those mitigating circumstances into account in setting the length of the suspension."

Davis' suspension will start with Thursday night's home game against Detroit. Ironically, the Pistons were the home team the last time players went into the stands -- when Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson started a brawl with fans in November, 2004.

An embarrassment for the NBA, the brawl led to criminal charges and lengthy suspensions for Artest, Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal.

boutons_
01-19-2006, 05:52 PM
Pistons@Knicks, DET gets a small break, not that DET was at risk of losing tonight.

jochhejaam
01-19-2006, 07:35 PM
If there was a brawl this would be newsworthy. Then ESPN could collectively express their outrage and disgust at the incident while showing clips over and over for the next three months.

Instead we have a guy who went calmly into the stands with no incident, and we can still expect it to be dissected ad nauseum for the next two weeks.

Should Davis be suspended? Probably, because those are the rules. I'm sure he feels it's a worthwhile trade off. But frankly I don't want to see his suspension decided by Scott Van Pelt or Mike & Mike in the Morning.
You're right, it should be decided right here by us fans! :lol

I originally thought ten games but three would probably be enough. Players going into the stands has potential disastrous results.

And yes, I would have gone into the stands too, doesn't make it okay though. It's like the song says "If lovin' you is wrong (goin into the stands) I don't want to be right".

Guru of Nothing
01-19-2006, 07:44 PM
I wish I knew what really happened.

Thought - is Antonio Davis' wife now likely to be subjected to more heckling?

jochhejaam
01-19-2006, 08:12 PM
I wish I knew what really happened.

Thought - is Antonio Davis' wife now likely to be subjected to more heckling?
Charles Barkley on TNT just asked "why would Antonio's wife be jumping up and down at a Knicks/Bulls game". :lol
He said she should be banned for that.

Johnny_Blaze_47
01-19-2006, 09:08 PM
Patty Biggio. Liz Ausmus.

Think they'd have cared if Craig and Brad went into the stands?

SequSpur
01-19-2006, 09:18 PM
This is a problem in all sports. I remember back in the arena days fans at Spurs games were crazy. If you weren't a good player it was best that your family stayed home.

It's hard for families to sit there in the stands and hear criticism of their spouses, etc. I don't know what can be done about it, maybe have the families sit together in a section or something..

I can tell you right now that Rasho's family would have a difficult time sitting in most sections of the ATT.

Just because Davis is an NBA player doesn't give his wife the right to run her mouth or make threats.

Also, Davis should be suspended for the rest of the year for entering the stands.

5 games for a bad team is not a suspension but a vacation.

Peter
01-19-2006, 10:57 PM
Fucking lame that he got hit with a 5 game suspension. It's not like he did anything other than go see if his wife was ok. Davis doesn't have a history of trouble. Thanks to some crackhead Pistons and Pacers, Davis has to pay.

Dre_7
01-20-2006, 05:03 AM
I can tell you right now that Rasho's family would have a difficult time sitting in most sections of the ATT.

:lmao :lmao

iminlakerland
01-20-2006, 05:17 AM
Alright just my two cents. Last year when the brawl happened at the palace i was the first one to defend Ron Artest. I've been pondering about this for a while now, and i must agree, Ron Artest had absolutely no right, he would have had a bruised ego but shouldnt have gone into the stands, and i do see Kori's stand point now.

As far as AD goes i respect what he did. He went into the stands calmly. You could also tell there was another guy in the stands trying to restrain/calm him down just in case. If i was put in a situation that AD's wife was put in that night, i would hope my husband would react the way that AD did. His wife and son > a paycheck.

xapatan2
01-20-2006, 08:34 AM
From here in France, my interrogation is simple :

how can we have an objective view of what happened ?
And what would be Justice for what happened ?

What would be an objective decision of the NBA to make sure EVERYBODY understands what is at stake ?

My take :

- for the NBA to simply decide and inform that A. Davis will be suspended for five games, and nothing else is a very simple way to show they haven't learn Anything of what happenend in Detroit...

A. Davis has been suspended for fives games, OK, but HE SHOULD NOT BE THE ONLY ONE TO PAY :

- the one "full of alcoohol" should be as well be suspended for five games
- And the club of Chicago should as well pay a fee for not being able to handle security

That would be an objective way to make EVERYBODY understands what is at stake.

but with this uniform decision, we do concentrate our reactions on this board on whether or not he should have reacted, etc....

But this is not the subject.... because the decision of the nba won't change anything... they just make him pay for the consequence... they are not trying to have an impact on what has allowed this situation to happen...

As a conclusion, what's gonna change after this ? NOTHING

Xap

boutons_
01-20-2006, 08:51 AM
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January 20, 2006
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Stern's Justice: It Is Swift, but Is It Fair?

By HARVEY ARATON (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/columns/harveyaraton/?inline=nyt-per)
I'M sorry. I don't care what the rules are, or what awful precedent was established last season. If I instantaneously processed the belief that my wife and children were in danger, there wouldn't be enough games to be suspended from to keep me away.

At least I'd like to believe that I wouldn't just stand there and politely say, "Excuse me, David Stern (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/david_stern/index.html?inline=nyt-per) will be very upset if I personally look into this matter, so will someone please fetch the security guard who is picking his nose in Section 22 to find out why that gentleman seems to have his mitts on my wife?"

Predictably, Stern's swift hand of justice came down on Antonio Davis yesterday with a five-game suspension for breaking what the N.B.A. commissioner calls "the social contract between players and fans." But Davis needn't apologize for rushing to the defense of his wife, Kendra, on Wednesday in Chicago, even if turns out that she was the one who provoked the incident, and not a 22-year-old fan, Michael Axelrod, who yesterday denied Antonio Davis's claim that he was drunk.

There are situations, believe it or not, that transcend the N.B.A.'s image on Madison Avenue and its ability to gouge corporate ticket-holders for courtside seats that have now been invaded twice in a little more than a year - once without rational explanation.

"It would be harder for me to live with myself if something happened to my wife and family," said the Knicks' (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/newyorkknicks/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Maurice Taylor, whose contribution to the latest dissection of N.B.A. character was an overtime scuffle with the Bulls' (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/chicagobulls/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Chris Duhon that got both players tossed and injected a dose of Auburn Hills into a crowd already juiced by wild endgame swings.

Practically speaking, of course, we can all agree that players shouldn't go into the stands and we didn't need Ron Artest to teach us that. Once in a crowd, a player is a target. Anything can happen. "As athletes, we are all counted on to control those instincts to a higher standard," Isiah Thomas (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/isiah_thomas/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the Knicks' president, said, while admitting that's easier said than done in a situation such as this one.

Professionalism is a great concept, but lurking around many corners is the unforeseen challenge, for which you can't necessarily plan your response. A year ago, the league was busy implementing changes in its beer-selling policies after people asked how dozens of courtside zealots could have fresh beverages to pour on the Pacers' (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/indianapacers/index.html?inline=nyt-org) heads with seconds remaining in a lopsided game.

Before the Knicks were drubbed by Detroit, 105-79, Billy Hunter, the players' union director, wondered why families of players are scattered around the lower bowl instead of having mandatory seating in a well-secured section of their own. Good question. It's time for Stern to wrestle with that one before there is a serious family fight and someone gets hurt.

As it was, Davis attacked no one and no one attacked him. He is the president of the players' union, a respected veteran who last night drew support from both sides of the Pistons (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/detroitpistons/index.html?inline=nyt-org)-Pacers debacle - Detroit's Ben Wallace and the retired Pacer Reggie Miller (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/reggie_miller/index.html?inline=nyt-per). Davis will take his medicine by serving a suspension that began last night. But please, spare us the usual condemnations, the standard thugs-in-cornrows denouncements of the most scrutinized athletes in American sports.

Given the possibilities in Stern's police state, I suppose five games was on the lighter side, and was, as the league said in its statement, based on Davis's clean record and the circumstances leading to his response in the heat of the moment. But tell me, what is the N.B.A.'s excuse for its deliberate marketing scheme that produces an edgy, gladiatorial atmosphere and plays to a shoe company agenda of promoting one superstar versus another.

It's become too easy for critics to make grand generalizations now whenever someone crosses the line, but where was the universal applause when Shaquille O'Neal (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/shaquille_oneal/index.html?inline=nyt-per) used the occasion of Martin Luther King (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/martin_luther_jr_king/index.html?inline=nyt-per) Day earlier this week to give Kobe Bryant (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/kobe_bryant/index.html?inline=nyt-per) a hug?

"I had orders from the great Bill Russell," O'Neal told reporters after making peace with his former co-star, Bryant, the alleged villain in their well-chronicled breakup. "He told me I should shake Kobe Bryant's hand and let bygones be bygones." O'Neal, the bigger man, took the advice from the legend he referred to as "Mr. Russell," and the N.B.A., in a deserved twist of fate, lost the scowl from its most persistent and marketable feud.

Perhaps Russell made O'Neal see through the hypocrisy of the programming by a league that dreads more image-tattering blows, struck on the court or in the stands, then tempts the aforementioned fate in exchange for the high of an enhanced television rating. Remember this: Contrary to its celebrated crackdown on player comportment, the Shaq-Kobe he-hate-me showcase had become the N.B.A.'s holiday staple, its featured Christmas game.

Imagine if O'Neal had used the occasion of that first post-breakup meeting in 2004 to impel his full colossal force on a driving Bryant as payback for a variety of transgressions. How would that have played as a family-values special a month and change after Artest and friends brawled with fans?

Much worse than Davis breaking Stern's social contract in a moment when he feared for his wife and children's welfare. Who wouldn't have?

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SequSpur
01-20-2006, 10:42 AM
I honestly could care less. All I care is that the Spurs win the championship.

Davis should worry about the game and tell his wife to stay home and be quiet.

pache100
01-20-2006, 10:58 AM
From the NBA daily today...(this guy believes he got a light penalty and I agree with him)...

John Jackson
Davis penalty justified in game of truth, consequences

January 20, 2006

BY JOHN JACKSON SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

As a general rule, I'm opposed to zero-tolerance policies and believe they mostly result in zero thought being given to complex issues.

But in the case of New York Knicks forward (and former Bull) Antonio Davis charging into the United Center stands to protect his wife Wednesday night, I believe NBA commissioner David Stern had to confirm the league's zero-tolerance policy concerning players entering the stands.

The league office announced Thursday that Davis has been suspended for five games starting with Thursday night's home game against the Detroit Pistons. Davis, who is making nearly $14 million this season, will lose roughly $845,122 in salary.

A harsh punishment? Absolutely.

A fair penalty? Definitely.

Actually, Davis is fortunate he didn't receive a longer suspension. Had any sort of physical, or even verbal, altercation taken place, he likely would have been looking at a suspension in double digits.

And it wouldn't have taken much for the situation to turn ugly -- which is precisely why the NBA's zero-tolerance policy is justified and necessary.

''We have made it plain to our players and our fans that players may not enter the spectator stands, no matter the provocation, and that violations of this policy will be treated with the utmost seriousness,'' said Stu Jackson, the league's senior vice president of basketball operations.

''We have concluded, however, that Antonio's actions were the result of his belief that his family members required his immediate assistance, and have taken those mitigating circumstances into account in setting the length of the suspension.''

Jackson made it clear that the typical suspension for entering the stands is ''double-digit games.''

''At the end of the day, what we had to decide on was the issue of Antonio breaking the barrier from the court into the stands,'' Jackson said. ''At the end of the day, that was the most important aspect of making that decision.''

Judgment from the league office was swift and that probably is a good thing for Davis -- especially if it turns out that his wife, Kendra, wasn't touched or threatened, as he contends.

I won't pretend to know precisely what happened, but the fan said Thursday that he never touched Kendra Davis and she was the one who provoked the incident.

Michael Axelrod, 22, said he wasn't intoxicated -- as Antonio Davis claimed in a statement immediately after the game -- and was simply booing an official's call when Kendra Davis, sitting two rows in front of him, got up and yelled at him to be quiet. He also contends that the only physical contact between the two came when she put both of her hands on his face.

After security arrived and Davis exited the stands, Axelrod said he was escorted to the concourse by security, but wasn't ejected and stuck around to see Bulls guard Ben Gordon's game-winning shot.

Who's telling the truth? There are conflicting eyewitness accounts, so your guess is as good as mine. Axelrod, though, does sound credible -- even though he and his lawyer (big surprise) threatened to sue Davis and his wife for $1 million.

Axelrod's father, David, is a prominent Democratic political consultant in Chicago who has worked with Mayor Daley, Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) and Sen. Hillary Clinton (D.-N.Y.).

As for Kendra Davis, she may have a credibility hurdle to clear. During the 2001 playoffs, she got into a verbal exchange with Latrell Sprewell (who didn't know who she was at that moment) during a game and was caught on camera Wednesday night leaning over to yell at and touch Axelrod.

Also, Antonio Davis' contention that he had to react because there was no time to get security was undercut by teammate Maurice Taylor, who said Davis told him the incident had been going on for ''a trip and a half'' up and down the court.

Oh, really? If that's the case, why didn't Davis immediately alert security as soon as the timeout was called?

If anybody, Davis -- a 12-year veteran and the president of the National Basketball Players Association -- should have learned the lesson from the ugly incident at the Palace of Auburn Hills in November 2004 that players can't enter the stands under any circumstances.

While five games is a stiff sentence, he's lucky it wasn't longer.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/jackson/cst-spt-jax20.html

pache100
01-20-2006, 11:01 AM
and another (can't believe the NBA Daily devoted TWO articles to this today!)...
HYDE: Knicks' Davis did what he had to do
Published January 20, 2006


You're a lawyer. You're arguing a case in court. You turn to the gallery and see your wife in a potentially threatening argument with a strange man.

Don't you hurry over and help?

Or maybe you're a doctor. You're consulting with a patient. You look up from your notes and see your wife outside the room in a heated, finger-pointing dispute with a man you don't know.

Don't you rush out and intervene?

That's why no one can blame New York Knicks veteran Antonio Davis for charging into the Chicago stands Wednesday night upon seeing his wife quarreling with a fan. Everyone has heard horror stories of fan behavior at games. What kind of husband wouldn't rush to her side in this case?

At the same time, what kind of NBA Commissioner is David Stern if he doesn't suspend Davis five games for doing so?

There are no bad guys in this story. Davis did what he had to do as a husband. But so did Stern as the commissioner. Davis hopped the scorer's table and sprinted up the aisle to defend his wife.

But Stern had to punish him for breaking all the rules in doing so, especially considering the meltdown in Detroit involving Indiana players in November 2004.

It doesn't matter that Davis was under control as he ran up the rows and merely protective of his family once he got there. What melee could have resulted if a fan threw a beer on him? Or if any paying customer got scared at seeing a 6-9, 260-pound NBA forward charging up the aisle?

Davis got off light, actually. Stern put the issue in the proper context of a man protecting his family. It helps that Davis isn't Ron Artest, who was a centerpiece in the Detroit incident where players fought with fans.

Davis is a 13-year veteran, president of the players' association and generally has been recognized as carrying himself in a respectable manner. So this wasn't some hotheaded athlete overacting when faced with an unruly fan.

It wasn't Texas Ranger pitcher Frank Francisco tossing a chair into the stands and breaking a woman's nose. It wasn't Milton Bradley turning the fan into a victim by charging into Dodger Stadium seats.

The strange part of Wednesday's case is it appears no unruly fan even was involved. It might have been an unruly wife. The 22-year-old fan, Michael Axelrod, said he wasn't drunk. He apparently never left his seat, either.

There also is video of Axelrod motioning to an usher for help after Kendra Davis got in his face after he allegedly booed a referees' call. She confronted him, Axelrod said. She refused to sit down when asked, he said.

Of course, since this is America, by Thursday afternoon Axelrod's attorney was threatening a $1 million civil suit, though he admitted, "A public apology from the Davises would go a long way toward resolving this."

Here's a question: Where was the Knicks' security staff during all this? It's one thing to ask why a United Center usher didn't calm down Davis' wife and the fan she was arguing with. Maybe the usher could call in arena security.

But how many would be capable of breaking up fights? And how long would that take?

The Knicks' bodyguards are at games for one reason, though. They're looking out for trouble, no matter how quickly it starts. Every team brings its own security detail to games these days. The Heat, for example, sits two bodyguards behind the bench to ensure players are kept safe.

So where were the Knicks' bodyguards? What were they doing? And shouldn't they have become involved so Davis wasn't?

Instead, an embarrassing incident broke out. Davis was suspended five games, which will cost him $600,000. You can't blame Stern for levying that punishment and demanding players stay out of the stands.

Nor can you blame Davis for what he feared upon seeing his wife arguing with a fan. Any husband would do the same. Or he might have a different fight upon getting home.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-hyde20jan20,0,417257.column?coll=sfla-sports-front

SequSpur
01-20-2006, 11:05 AM
John Jackson is right on the money.

pache100
01-20-2006, 11:07 AM
John Jackson is right on the money.

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boutons_
01-20-2006, 11:35 AM
The consensus here says the AD was fully justified in "deserting" his job on the court and breaking NBA rules to protect his wife. ie, family trumps everything else.

There is a parallel with those NO police officers who deserted their police jobs during Katrina to go home and take care of their families. There were numerous opinions that the NOPD were shits for deserting.

So what would the opinion be of NYPD/FD people deserting their jobs at the WTC to go home to their families, if their families were in "WMD" danger?

Now the lawyers are involved, and AD will probably end up with legal fees defending himself+wifey for years larger than the cost of his NBA suspension.

angel_luv
01-20-2006, 11:45 AM
While the ruling by NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson showed the league accepted Davis' argument that he believed his wife was in trouble during Wednesday's game, it also made clear that entering the stands would not be tolerated, no matter the circumstances.

"We have made it plain to our players and our fans that players may not enter the spectator stands, no matter the provocation, and that violations of this policy will be treated with the utmost seriousness," Jackson said in a statement.

"We have concluded, however, that Antonio's actions were the result of his belief that his family members required his immediate assistance, and have taken those mitigating circumstances into account in setting the length of the suspension."



Just as I hoped. Well done NBA. :tu

angel_luv
01-20-2006, 11:47 AM
I can tell you right now that Rasho's family would have a difficult time sitting in most sections of the ATT.



They can come and sit in the Terrace Club with me! :D




Charles Barkley on TNT just asked "why would Antonio's wife be jumping up and down at a Knicks/Bulls game". :lol
He said she should be banned for that.




There is a thread for that Charles! :lol

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29576&highlight=spurs+wives+cheering

sickdsm
01-21-2006, 12:30 PM
Where are all the fucktards that defended Antonio now when more facts and video come out.

Skank, bitch ass wife starting shit and she's the victim. Now we have foreign dudes calling Axelrod the full of alcohol guy. Axelrod said there would be NO lawsuits of any kind if all AD did was apologize to him, Davis said no and Axelrod said he's going to donate all settlements to charity to prove its not about the money. Which is totally believable because it really makes his dad the politican look good.


Fuck Davis and fuck all of you defending him.

"Axelrod, 22, is the son of David Axelrod, a big-wheel Democratic consultant who has worked with Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and Chicago Mayor Richard Daley. Davis, 37, bolted into the stands of Chicago's United Center to confront Michael Axelrod, who he claimed was intoxicated and putting his hands on his wife." New York Daily News

"Once the ref blows his whistle, I yell out, 'That's a terrible call' and then I start booing with everybody else," Axelrod told The News. "She gets in my face and says, 'These are his kids. Shut your goddamn mouth,'" said Axelrod, recalling that she pointed toward two young children sitting directly in front of him. "She has her finger on me, on my cheek. She was digging her finger in. I thought she might start scratching me," Axelrod said. "I say, 'Get your hands off me. Don't touch me, I'm trying to watch the game.'" New York Daily News

"He said she then started rubbing his cheek and mocking him, saying, "'I'm not touching you. It's okay baby.'" "A minute goes by. I don't know what to do. I felt like hitting her, but you can't - she's a woman," Axelrod said. When another fan told Davis to shut up and sit down, she went after him, giving Axelrod a chance to motion to security guards for help." New York Daily News

"I turned back and Antonio Davis was standing right there," said Axelrod, a graduate of Beloit College in Wisconsin, who works for his father's firm. He insisted he was not drunk, claiming, "I never drink at basketball games. I'm a huge basketball fan. That's why I go." New York Daily News

"A source sitting a few seats away from Kendra Davis told the Sun-Times she escalated the situation. ''I didn't hear any profanity,'' said the source, who asked for anonymity. ''I didn't see anyone touch her. There was nothing going on until she got up out of her seat. There was nothing that was disruptive to the people in the area until that point.'' Chicago Sun-Times

"The source also said Kendra Davis reacted angrily when another fan, sitting in the row immediately behind her, told her to sit down. ''She leaned over and was pointing her finger in his face,'' the source said. ''He never got out of his seat. He did say, 'Don't put your hands in my face.' He was composed but stern. At that point, here comes A.D. walking up, and I'm thinking, 'Not smart.' Security was already there.'' Chicago Sun-Times

"The source said the man sitting in the row behind Kendra Davis didn't appear to be intoxicated." Chicago Sun-Times

Dre_7
01-21-2006, 08:44 PM
Where are all the fucktards that defended Antonio now when more facts and video come out.

I will still defend Antonio Davis. And I am not a "fucktard." :lol

Despot
01-22-2006, 12:41 AM
Even if my wife was being an ass to someone else, and everything was her fault, I'd still defend her.......

You know, I just barely saw the video, and I can't understand how everyone is saying he was calm and cool. I saw him being angry, tense and in an attack posture, definately poised and ready to fight. That situation was one wrong word, errant drop of beer, or mistaken movement away from getting ugly.

Despot
01-22-2006, 12:45 AM
oh, just for the record, i'm not a fucktard either

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fucktard

1. Fucktard

1. n: the state of being a fuck while at the same time illustrating the qualities of a mentally challenged personel, or, presently, a retard
2. n: one's innate ability to illustrate extreme dumbassness/bitchiness, even beyond the scopes of a normal fuck and/or retard
3. n: one who repeatedly and liberally uses the word "Doop" (see definition)

hussker
01-22-2006, 12:53 AM
As a citizen and state employee of Texas, if I violate State statutes that I KNOW about to "save" my wife, then I am subject to the consequences of said action. TONE needs to nut up, as well as the bitches on this rant, and deal with the consequences.

We call if life...

Have a great game, TONE...

sickdsm
01-22-2006, 12:53 PM
Hmmm, your too protective to let a skinny balding white guy get verbally abused by your wife that you have to run your ass up there and make sure you get there before security? Would you trust your wife going to a game with your kids by herself? Lemme guess, do you keep her from talking to guys and making male friends too?


Fuck that, he was protecting his wife from getting tossed out by security.

And yes, you are a fucktard. Fucking retarded: Anyone who can defend AD. See also anyone who blames Bartman on the Cubs failure.


"mistaken movement away from getting ugly."

Uhh, you meand like Antonio Dumbass charging into the stands? Guarandamntee you if AD was the fan and that was Axelrod charging to save his wife AD wouldn't have been as cool as Axelrod was about the situation.

Like i said before, Soccer fans would pick on a gal like her in a heartbeat if it meant getting the opposing team star getting tossed for a few games. You WILL start to see this more and more IMO unless the penalties are equal to the actions. You think those Jazz diehards wouldn't have picked on Jordan's mistress or Mrs. Casino if it meant they could get him tossed for a couple games? Like steroids in baseball if the penalty's hard enough, no one will do it.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-22-2006, 01:02 PM
I don't understand KD not apologizing. Seriously, dude gives them an easy out and they scoff at him?

Are people really this stupid?

Dre_7
01-22-2006, 01:27 PM
Hmmm, your too protective to let a skinny balding white guy get verbally abused by your wife that you have to run your ass up there and make sure you get there before security? Would you trust your wife going to a game with your kids by herself? Lemme guess, do you keep her from talking to guys and making male friends too?


Fuck that, he was protecting his wife from getting tossed out by security.

And yes, you are a fucktard. Fucking retarded: Anyone who can defend AD. See also anyone who blames Bartman on the Cubs failure.


"mistaken movement away from getting ugly."

Uhh, you meand like Antonio Dumbass charging into the stands? Guarandamntee you if AD was the fan and that was Axelrod charging to save his wife AD wouldn't have been as cool as Axelrod was about the situation.

Like i said before, Soccer fans would pick on a gal like her in a heartbeat if it meant getting the opposing team star getting tossed for a few games. You WILL start to see this more and more IMO unless the penalties are equal to the actions. You think those Jazz diehards wouldn't have picked on Jordan's mistress or Mrs. Casino if it meant they could get him tossed for a couple games? Like steroids in baseball if the penalty's hard enough, no one will do it.

Dude, its not about his wife. It is about him. Weather or not his wife was in danger doesnt matter. He thought that she was in danger, so he went up. And as a husband he did the right thing. But, Stern also did the right thing in suspending him.

I am not saying AD shouldnt get in trouble. I am just saying that as a husband he did the right thing when he thought his wife was in danger.

Who knows if she was being harrased or not. That is not the point. The point is, AD put his wife above his job.

Family>Career, every time.

Dre_7
01-22-2006, 01:29 PM
Uhh, you meand like Antonio Dumbass charging into the stands? Guarandamntee you if AD was the fan and that was Axelrod charging to save his wife AD wouldn't have been as cool as Axelrod was about the situation.

How the hell do you know? You guarantee? WOW.

DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
01-22-2006, 02:13 PM
Dude, its not about his wife. It is about him. Weather or not his wife was in danger doesnt matter. He thought that she was in danger, so he went up. And as a husband he did the right thing. But, Stern also did the right thing in suspending him.

I am not saying AD shouldnt get in trouble. I am just saying that as a husband he did the right thing when he thought his wife was in danger.

Who knows if she was being harrased or not. That is not the point. The point is, AD put his wife above his job.

Family>Career, every time.

This is the part I don't understand:

Mo Taylor said AD had been watching them go at it for a while. Why didn't he alert security then if he was worried about his wife? Why wait until he perceives her getting pushed?

Something about this doesn't seem right IMO...

Kori Ellis
02-02-2006, 04:07 PM
So maybe Mrs. Davis was the one causing trouble afterall ....


Davis' wife faces battery charge for traffic incident
Associated Press


NAPERVILLE, Ill. -- The wife of New York Knicks forward Antonio Davis has been charged with misdemeanor battery for a traffic incident that occurred in October.

Last month, Kendra Davis had a verbal altercation with a fan at a Knicks-Bulls game at the United Center that prompted her husband to run into the stands to check on the situation. He received a five-game suspension.

A Minooka, Ill., woman claims that Davis ran a stop sign in October and tossed coffee at her through the driver's side window when confronted, police said.

Davis, who lives in Naperville, told officers she threw the coffee because the woman used a racial slur, police said. The other woman has denied that to police.

sa_butta
02-02-2006, 04:09 PM
So maybe Mrs. Davis was the one causing trouble afterall ....


Davis' wife faces battery charge for traffic incident
Associated Press


NAPERVILLE, Ill. -- The wife of New York Knicks forward Antonio Davis has been charged with misdemeanor battery for a traffic incident that occurred in October.

Last month, Kendra Davis had a verbal altercation with a fan at a Knicks-Bulls game at the United Center that prompted her husband to run into the stands to check on the situation. He received a five-game suspension.

A Minooka, Ill., woman claims that Davis ran a stop sign in October and tossed coffee at her through the driver's side window when confronted, police said.

Davis, who lives in Naperville, told officers she threw the coffee because the woman used a racial slur, police said. The other woman has denied that to police.Sounds like trouble finds its way to her.

pache100
02-02-2006, 04:38 PM
So maybe Mrs. Davis was the one causing trouble afterall ....

I heard on several radio sports talk shows that this woman is a real piece of work, that she causes trouble everywhere she goes and always has. According to what they said, she seems to think she's the queen of something (besides Antonio's heart) and that she can do and say anything to anyone anytime anywhere she wants and expects to get away with it. The really sad thing, to me, besides the fact that she apparently caused her husband to get in trouble and get himself suspended...is that she is teaching her children this behavior.