Mohammed ready and strives to be able

[Bruno]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA012006.1D.BKNspurs.mohammed.1c9629e5.html


Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer

MIAMI — The Los Angeles Lakers were in town, but to Nazr Mohammed that meant only another night of cheerleading.

A third-year center with Philadelphia, Mohammed hadn't played in nearly a month. With little reason for that to end, he made sure to get in a hard workout before the game.

As Mohammed returned to the locker room, 76ers coach Larry Brown told him the NBA had suspended Matt Geiger for a steroid violation. Theo Ratliff was already out with a wrist injury.

Not only was Mohammed starting, but he also would be needed to guard Shaquille O'Neal for the first time.

"I was already dripping with sweat," Mohammed said. "I felt set up."

Mohammed scored 12 points in the 76ers' victory. He also learned that no matter the circumstances, he had better be ready to play each night.

Almost five years later, Mohammed continues to adhere to that. With O'Neal and the Miami Heat waiting at American Airlines Arena tonight and Robert Horry likely missing his second consecutive game with a lower abdominal strain, Mohammed figures Spurs coach Gregg Popovich will call on him. When, or for how long, remains to be seen.

After starting every playoff game in the Spurs' 2005 championship drive, Mohammed's place in the rotation has been anything but consistent this season. Rasho Nesterovic's improved play, Mohammed's own struggles and the tendency by teams to use smaller lineups have dropped his minutes to an average of 12.7 per game.

"It's extremely tough, but what can you do about it?" Mohammed said. "The last thing you want to happen is have the opportunity come and not be prepared for it."

Mohammed realized that last season. Acquired from New York for Malik Rose at the trade deadline, he played sparingly until Nesterovic sprained his left ankle in April. Mohammed averaged 7.1 points and 6.7 rebounds in the playoffs as a starter.

The Spurs figured Mohammed would begin this season as he ended last. But after his wife and newborn son became ill during training camp, he missed two weeks of workouts. His conditioning was further set back because he fasted in observance of Ramadan.

Mohammed has worked his way into shape, but his time on the court has remained limited.

In Wednesday's victory over Milwaukee, Mohammed had two points and five rebounds in 24 minutes, his most action in almost two months. His performance was much like his season: productive at times but not error-free. After Bucks center Jamaal Magloire broke loose for a dunk in the fourth quarter, Mohammed unsuccessfully tried to force a pass into Michael Finley.

"As a starter, you have to really mess up in order to come out before four minutes," Mohammed said. "When you're coming off the bench and you try to go out there and make a spark, and it doesn't work, you're coming out of the game."

Though Mohammed is a better rebounder, he lacks Nesterovic's awareness of where to be in the Spurs' defensive sets. Nesterovic may not be athletic enough to make some plays but rarely is caught out of position.

"With some things, like trapping baseline on the post, it takes a second to click because I've never done that," Mohammed said. "But the more I'm here, the more I'm learning."

Mohammed is glad Popovich has evaluated him on how he's performed and not on his overall stats. That included a compliment Monday after four points, two rebounds and two blocks in 15 minutes against Memphis.

"If I was him, I'd be frustrated," Popovich said. "But this guy comes to practice every day and busts his (butt). I have to take my hat off to him. It's a tough situation he's in."

That Mohammed is in the last season of his contract only complicates matters. The Spurs discussed an extension with him over the summer, but he decided to table talks until the end of the season when he'll become a free agent and be eligible for a five-year contract. Under NBA rules, the maximum extension he could have received last summer was four years, $28 million.
Mohammed, who said he's at the point where contract length matters more than annual salary, remains hopeful of staying.

"I'm trying to impress coach and let them know what I can do and how I want to be here for the long run," Mohammed said. "But at the same time I don't want to do anything out of the ordinary that can hurt the team."

Mohammed's size and contract have attracted interest from teams in need of a big man before the trade deadline.

The Spurs are assessing their options, but any improvement may need to come internally: Tim Duncan, whose sore right foot has hindered his ability to defend and rebound, and Horry will have to play better if the team is going to defend its title. Athletic rebounders available via trade, like Seattle's Reggie Evans, would struggle taking minutes from Duncan, Horry and the team's centers.

Of course, if the Spurs desire more rebounding, Mohammed thinks he can help. His most frustrating moment came in the second half of last week's loss to Detroit when he remained on the bench while the Spurs were mauled on the offensive boards.

"Everybody is going to have to do their part for us to repeat," he said. "And at some point, I'm going to have to do mine."

[MannyIsGod]

Not a bad article. I find it amazing that people who have played basketball for so long have so much trouble with fundemental defensive sets, however. He never played help defense before????

[boutons_]

"have so much trouble with fundemental defensive sets"

Nazr just isn't very basketball smart and has weak fundamentals.
If he were a foot shorter, he'd would be working as .... ?

I wish I could be so mediocre at my job and make so many $Ms. :)

[Rummpd]

I for one am still not sold that for his faults Nazr may not still be the better option - either to start or at least get some more minutes from Rasho.

Nazr does give up some missed defensive shots which drives Pop made but also gets extra possessons! I also see players get around Rasho all the time and his continued "softness" drives me crazy. At least Nazr played hard.

Rasho will have an occassional game with some points and some blocks and some rebounds but how often does he ever have a big game? Contrast that with what was said on these same forums about Nazr last year and with good reason. The Spurs looked darn good with him in there year at times and he had some productive board games and also some games where we actually had a center Sometimes (that is all I ask) give us more than 10 points and/or 10 boards in 20 plus minutes. Duncan and him in tandem (with an assist from Horry) outrebounded rebound the Wallaces in last years finals. (Heck Duncan almost did it alone 14-16 RBG)

Many NBA experts applauded the Spurs "steal of Nazr" and now he sits (and in favor of the "great" Rasho and the need to limit Duncan's minutes?) when the most maddening thing about this Spurs team this year to me is not skill but energy.

I just wonder if Pop should not have given this guy a 20 game stretch this year as the starter, as Rasho also at times has looked better with Duncan out, and see what happened - surely worst case I believe the Spurs record would have been about the same. If he had floppped in a starting or at least considerable minute roll this year I would personally be a lot more sold on Rasho as the answer.

Right now I am not.

[leemajors]

having a team be able to score inside on nazr constantly is not worth 2-3 offensive rebounds per game.

[Peter]

This team could use a guy like Evans. The one thing the Spurs have missed this season was a big other than TD who will attack the glass and mix it up inside. Evans is averaging 3.4 more boards per night than Nesterovic in the same number of minutes (21.6).

Start Mohammed and bring Evans off the bench after Horry. The Spurs need that type of spark, perfect sets be damned.

[ChumpDumper]

All Nazr has to do is play better. Finley's move back to the bench is a signal that the time for welfare minutes has passed. Make the most of the time you get, Nazr -- especially now that Horry is out.

[Kori Ellis]

This team could use a guy like Evans. The one thing the Spurs have missed this season was a big other than TD who will attack the glass and mix it up inside. Evans is averaging 3.4 more boards per night than Nesterovic in the same number of minutes (21.6).

Start Mohammed and bring Evans off the bench after Horry. The Spurs need that type of spark, perfect sets be damned.

I understand that the Sonics are trying to move a couple guys (likely Evans and maybe Flip Murray). I think they both have to approve their trades (because they are on one year deals?). Hill isn't happy with Evans and I'm sure he wants out. Allen and Lewis don't like Murray. So we'll see what happens.

[angel_luv]

I don't want Rasho to go to Seattle... or Dallas, or Houston, or out of state. :angel


:lol ;)

[Kori Ellis]

:lol I wasn't talking about Rasho.

[ducks]

hummm
spurs wanted narz extended nice to know they did try

[Peter]

I understand that the Sonics are trying to move a couple guys (likely Evans and maybe Flip Murray). I think they both have to approve their trades (because they are on one year deals?). Hill isn't happy with Evans and I'm sure he wants out. Allen and Lewis don't like Murray. So we'll see what happens.


Evans appears to be on a minimum or close to it contract ($850K).

[angel_luv]

:lol I wasn't talking about Rasho.

:lmao Sorry! I must still be traumatized from all the trade rasho threads this summer.

Proceed! :lol

[ChumpDumper]

No way Evans approves a trade to play Nazr's current minutes.

[Bruno]

Evans appears to be on a minimum or close to it contract ($850K).

If Spurs trade Nazr for Evans, another player should be included for Sonics to match salaries (Potapenko seems a logical choice with maybe a third team like Hornets taking him).
The guy I like to have in a trade with Seattle is Gelabale.

[timvp]

"If I was him, I'd be frustrated," Popovich said. "But this guy comes to practice every day and busts his (butt). I have to take my hat off to him. It's a tough situation he's in."

Sounds a lot like what Pop used to say about Malik.

Interesting.

:smokin

[ChumpDumper]

Before he traded him?

[ShoogarBear]

Is this supposed to be the "equal time" article for the previous day's?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I guess the Oberto and Marks articles will round out "Why Our Centers Suck" week at the E-N.

[ShoogarBear]

:lol

[Bruno]

Before he traded him?

And Spurs are still around $700k over the luxury tax, we should keep in mind that going under the threshold is still a goal for Spurs.

[Rummpd]

Tonight Nazr did not help me make his case, I admit he is on a downhill course right now seemingly.

[Bruno]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060121-22

The Sonics are indeed fielding trade calls on rebounding specialist Reggie Evans, according to NBA front-office sources, and there is no shortage of interest despite Evans' recent expulsion from Seattle's rotation by new coach Bob Hill.

Remember, though, that Evans -- like teammates Vladimir Radmanovic and Flip Murray -- signed a one-year tender for this season and thus has the authority to veto any deal.

The Sonics, furthermore, see Evans as one of their best trade assets, but his low salary ($1.1 million) makes it difficult to get anything meaningful in return.

[SenorSpur]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060121-22

The Sonics are indeed fielding trade calls on rebounding specialist Reggie Evans, according to NBA front-office sources, and there is no shortage of interest despite Evans' recent expulsion from Seattle's rotation by new coach Bob Hill.

Remember, though, that Evans -- like teammates Vladimir Radmanovic and Flip Murray -- signed a one-year tender for this season and thus has the authority to veto any deal.

The Sonics, furthermore, see Evans as one of their best trade assets, but his low salary ($1.1 million) makes it difficult to get anything meaningful in return.

He would definitely help the Spurs in the one area they seem to be weak in - rebounding - specifically offensive rebounding.

[Bruno]

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/story/5478505p-4941717c.html

Agent wants Evans to be traded

The News Tribune
Published: January 23rd, 2006 02:30 AM

PHOENIX – The agent for Seattle SuperSonics forward Reggie Evans has asked general manager Rick Sund to trade his client. Dan Fegan, at Sunday’s game against Phoenix at US Airways Arena, said that since new Sonics coach Bob Hill does not want to play Evans, he recently approached Sund and asked that his client be dealt to a team that could better use his services.

“Reggie wants to stay in Seattle, he likes Seattle,” Fegan said. “But clearly there is not a role for Reggie on this team. With that said, we would prefer the team trade him to a place that can better utilize his skills.”

Sund, on the trip with the team, confirmed that Fegan had made the request but declined to comment further.

Evans started the first 23 games of the season for Seattle, averaging 7.1 points and 7.6 rebounds in 21.7 minutes. He leads the league in rebounds per minute.

But when Bob Weiss was fired as coach and Hill took over, Hill told Evans the team needed to make a change at the position because it was not winning. Hill inserted Vladimir Radmanovic into the lineup.

Evans was a restricted free agent this past summer, signing a one-year tender offer for $1 million after turning down a two-year, $4 million offer.

He will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, meaning he can sign with any team.

[Peter]

Evans has averaged 3.2 offensive boards (7.6 total) per game this season in 21.7 minutes. Nesterovic? 1.7 offensive boards (4.2 total) in 21.8 minutes.

The Spurs need that type of presence on the glass in the big rotation. Evans is a scrappy, hustle player willing to compete. From what I've seen of him in the L he's a team player and not afraid of anyone. I'd feel a lot better with Mohammed starting alongside TD with Horry, Evans and Oberto backing them up. You'd lose the 3rd true center in Nesterovic, but that's assuming that he's a true center with his weak rebounding and non-presence at the free throw line.

The trick is acquiring Evans. If you are looking at a straight up trade, then it'd be either Udrih or Marks for him.

[zeleni]

Evans has averaged 3.2 offensive boards (7.6 total) per game this season in 21.7 minutes. Nesterovic? 1.7 offensive boards (4.2 total) in 21.8 minutes.

The Spurs need that type of presence on the glass in the big rotation. Evans is a scrappy, hustle player willing to compete. From what I've seen of him in the L he's a team player and not afraid of anyone. I'd feel a lot better with Mohammed starting alongside TD with Horry, Evans and Oberto backing them up. You'd lose the 3rd true center in Nesterovic, but that's assuming that he's a true center with his weak rebounding and non-presence at the free throw line.

The trick is acquiring Evans. If you are looking at a straight up trade, then it'd be either Udrih or Marks for him.


OK, so you would have two team players, who are not afraid of anyone, but only Oberto and Horry to be capable of team defense?

Why is starting Nazr a good idea? Playing him is not a good idea even when he plays a good offensive game (look at Denver for instance).

[Dre_7]

Why is starting Nazr a good idea? Playing him is not a good idea even when he plays a good offensive game (look at Denver for instance).

:lmao

Are you seriously blaming Nazr for the loss against Denver??? Thats Bull. He was the only one who showed up. It was NOT his fault. So chill with the blind Nazr hate.

[Pero]

Are you seriously blaming Nazr for the loss against Denver??? Thats Bull. He was the only one who showed up. It was NOT his fault. So chill with the blind Nazr hate.

This coming from one of those that constantly say: "We didn`t win a championship with Rasho starting, we did with Nazr." :lol
Look into your own hate first...

[Dre_7]

This coming from one of those that constantly say: "We didn`t win a championship with Rasho starting, we did with Nazr." :lol

Constantly saying that??

I think I have said it once. Maybe twice, MAYBE! And when I said it, I didnt mean it the way you are, making it sound. Read my ENTIRE post where I said that.


Look into your own hate first

I dont hate Rasho. In fact I love it when he plays well! I want him to dominate every game. I dont hate anyone on the Spurs.

Weak take Pero.

[zeleni]

:lmao

Are you seriously blaming Nazr for the loss against Denver??? Thats Bull. He was the only one who showed up. It was NOT his fault. So chill with the blind Nazr hate.

More than a half of the argument FOR Rasho is for making screens, making space for TP and being dependable for the team. Backcourt was lousy and a bunch of points were scored in the paint only by Nazr. You are telling me he was not responsible? He was dominant and team suffered because of it. I would say that's not good. Certainly is worse than being called soft, but winning. I bet they all last playoff couse they were so hungry for championship, that BIG 3 just played with that klutz. Backcourt was dominant with TP and Manu on top of their game and a weak TD inside.

Spurs lost against Denver with a dominant Nazr and a weak TD for more than a half of the minutes, and Parker is consistent this year. I am certain this loss is not a Shithappens story.

[Peter]

So Rasho makes a few good screens a night and is otherwise a ghost. Great. Meanwhile the Spurs are routinely losing the battle on the glass because the great Rasho cannot play like a NBA bigman.

The 'Rasho knows his spot on the floor' argument is weak. He is either afraid or unable to understand what is required of a NBA center.

Yes, the Spurs won a NBA championship with Mohammed starting at center and Rasho sitting down watching. No surprise.

[leemajors]

yes, rasho started nearly that entire season and the team was playing their best basketball before he got hurt. by the time his ankle had healed sufficiently, there was not enough time to integrate him back into the rotation. rasho did not match up well against some of our opponents in last year's playoffs, and as a result did not get much playing time. the most remarkable thing about peter's takes is his lack of insight, and the inherent weakness of his arguments. nazr cannot master simple fundamantals of the spurs defensive system, offensively and defensively. he was acquired for the friendliness of his contract (it expires after this season), and his promise (which he has not lived up to). he just cannot believe that rasho won the starting position from nazr fair and square and there has been scant reason for nazr to get anything but garbage time minutes.

[BigVee]

Everyone needs to face facts. The center position is by far the Spurs weakest. They are both (Nazr and Rasho) pretty sad.

[leemajors]

they are, but at least rasho knows what is going on. that was my point.

[Dre_7]

He was dominant and team suffered because of it.

What?!?!?! :wtf :lmao

They did not suffer cuz Nazr was dominant. They suffered cuz Duncan turned the ball over everytime he touched it. :lol

So, I want you to go on record and answer this question. Did SA lose to Denver because of Nazr?

[zeleni]

What?!?!?! :wtf :lmao

They did not suffer cuz Nazr was dominant. They suffered cuz Duncan turned the ball over everytime he touched it. :lol

So, I want you to go on record and answer this question. Did SA lose to Denver because of Nazr?


Look at another example: KG.
When you have dominance, IT HAS TO BE in accord with the team. One star shining doesn't mean team victory. If Nazr persist to be a defensive leak in a waterthight system, his dominance just pours.

Man, how many times did you heard on this forum, that Bowen sucks, but he has a good frontcourt to rely on?
How many times did you heard that Bowen is great, and couse TD is great also, they are teamworkers at their best?
Did you actually heard TP say that Rasho is the main reason for him scoring in the paint?

Now look at stats +/- for Nazr game against Denver.

Do you wants anything else from me?

[Dre_7]

Look at another example: KG.
When you have dominance, IT HAS TO BE in accord with the team. One star shining doesn't mean team victory. If Nazr persist to be a defensive leak in a waterthight system, his dominance just pours.

Man, how many times did you heard on this forum, that Bowen sucks, but he has a good frontcourt to rely on?
How many times did you heard that Bowen is great, and couse TD is great also, they are teamworkers at their best?
Did you actually heard TP say that Rasho is the main reason for him scoring in the paint?

Now look at stats +/- for Nazr game against Denver.

Do you wants anything else from me?

You didnt answer my question. I will ask it another way. Why did SA lose to Denver? Was it because of Nazr?

[Pero]

I dont hate Rasho. In fact I love it when he plays well! I want him to dominate every game. I dont hate anyone on the Spurs.

Sorry, but all this anti-Rasho posts are messing with my head.



So Rasho makes a few good screens a night and is otherwise a ghost. Great. Meanwhile the Spurs are routinely losing the battle on the glass because the great Rasho cannot play like a NBA bigman.

The 'Rasho knows his spot on the floor' argument is weak. He is either afraid or unable to understand what is required of a NBA center.

Yes, the Spurs won a NBA championship with Mohammed starting at center and Rasho sitting down watching. No surprise.

This is getting boring...
Good post Leemajors, but what promise are you talking about?

[leemajors]

promise, potential. outdated meaning of promise i guess

[zeleni]

You didnt answer my question. I will ask it another way. Why did SA lose to Denver? Was it because of Nazr?

YES, DA, SI, JA, OUI.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

We need to bench fucking lame ass Duncan and let him recuperate, and play Nazr and Rasho together. We'll lose games, but wouldn't this give Nazr a lot of time to get his slow-basketball-mind up to speed with the spurs defensive sets?

Like manny and countless others have said....how fucking hard can it be to learn help defense? If Nazr weren't so dumb, he'd be a very very solid Spurs Center.

[Dre_7]

YES, DA, SI, JA, OUI.

:lmao

Thats just stupid. They did NOT lose because of Nazr. If Nazr didnt play at all and Rasho played the entire game, they would still have lost. Duncan played like crap, and turned the ball over nearly everytime he touched it down the stretch. If he plays well and doesnt turn the ball over, SA wins. Plain and simple.

Nazr was the ONLY one that showed up. If Tim or Tony show up, they win.

Your blind Nazr hate is making you sound stupid.

[zeleni]

:lmao

Thats just stupid. They did NOT lose because of Nazr. If Nazr didnt play at all and Rasho played the entire game, they would still have lost. Duncan played like crap, and turned the ball over nearly everytime he touched it down the stretch. If he plays well and doesnt turn the ball over, SA wins. Plain and simple.

Nazr was the ONLY one that showed up. If Tim or Tony show up, they win.

Your blind Nazr hate is making you sound stupid.

Hey, we all have flaws.
Nazr has a flaw that costs games. He is no star, and his dominance should not trash other players quality. I did not even want to be that conclusive, but the guy just did not want to go off my back.

So I am declaring: A player with great stats CAN HURT A TEAM THAT IS NOT READY FOR SUCH A PLAYER. If you have a minor role, you just cannot steal a spotlight while killing your franchise-player's game. Nazr was great and others sucked for it the whole time. he was on the floor.

In fact only one who sucked less on that team was Finley. Even Rasho was at his worst while playing alongside with Nazr. What is here to laugh about?

Does that mean that TP and TD were great? NO. But they wouldn't lose this time, if everyone else had a reliable game. Nazr and his hands were reliable, but his defence (while playing over 30min and having a weak backcourt while Manu is injured and all) was weak. So they scored at will and Spurs struggled.

TD made the bulk of TO with along playing Nazr, Bowen had low stats playing Nazr. (http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20060122&game=DENSAS)

I am sick of this debate for a while. Spurs will have to adjust to Nazr more than anyone else, while Rasho should get better on O Rebounds.

[Dre_7]

Hey, we all have flaws. Nazr has a flaw that costs games. He is no star, and his dominance should not trash other players quality. I'm just sayin... I did not even want to be that conclusive, but the guy just did not want to go off my back.

So I am declaring: A player with great stats CAN HURT A TEAM THAT IS NOT READY FOR SUCH A PLAYER. It's like other games, If you have a minor role, u just cannot steal a spotlight while killing your franchise-player's game. Nazr was great and they have sucked the whole time. he was on the floor.

In fact only one who sucked less on that team was Finley. Even Rasho was at his worst while playing alongside with Nazr. What is here to laugh about?

Does that mean that TP and TD were great? NO. But they wouldn't lose this time, if everyone else had a reliable game. Nazr and his hands were reliable, but his defence (while playing over 30min and having a weak backcourt while Manu is injured and all) was weak. So they scored at will and Spurs struggled.

ducks??

[angel_luv]

Nazr did a good job of scoring and rebonding against Denver.

[Dre_7]

TD made the bulk of TO with along playing Nazr, Bowen had low stats playing Nazr. (http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20060122&game=DENSAS)

I am sick of this debate for a while. Spurs will have to adjust to Nazr more than anyone else, while Rasho should get better on O Rebounds.

Duncan did not play badly because of Nazr. Duncan just had a bad game. He would have played poorly and turned it over with Nazr, Rasho, Oberto, Horry, or Marks along side him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Duncan has had the majority of his career worst turnover games with Tony in there with him, we should bench Tony :rolleyes


Sound stupid? So does this whole Duncan sucked because of Nazr thing. Duncan always has high turnover games when teams aggressively and physically double team him. Maybe by the time he retires he'll figure out that he needs to make his decision quickly instead of sitting around waiting for the double like he does on nights like Saturday when he's a turnover machine.

But to blame it on Nazr is just idiotic, well asinine really.

[Slomo]

Dre_7

I'm not blaming the loss on Nazr because that would be just as ridiculous as Rasho being blamed for the loss against Detroit. I gave Nazr his props in the game blog thread but if you look at the game you will realize that when he is in the game the plays take a longer time to set - that gives the oposing defense more time to either double on whoever has the ball (tipically Tim or Tony) or to collapse the lane which in both cases leads to more turn overs.

I liked his hustle under the Ofensive basket but I'm not sure if his points offset the problems he is creating when on the floor (both sides of the court). He really needs to get into the Spurs system.


Edit for AHF: Blaming TD's TOs on Nazr might be stupid, but he is a contributing factor.

[Peter]

If this was Euroleague ball might the argument that Nesterovic knows his spots on the floor be compelling. But it's not. This is the NBA, the most physical league ever devised by Montgomery Burns. With Horry getting big minutes in your rotation your other bigs should be guys who are capable of playing the physical game.

[Peter]

Edit for AHF: Blaming TD's TOs on Nazr might be stupid, but he is a contributing factor.


How about opportunities lost because Rasho is weak in the paint?

[zeleni]

How about opportunities lost because Rasho is weak in the paint?

I hope there is some opportunities lost for Rasho weaknesses, otherwise Nazr should not even be on this team ever. No one said Nazr is useless, I am just saying he is now more or less a burdain.

[Dre_7]

I hope there is some opportunities lost for Rasho weaknesses, otherwise Nazr should not even be on this team ever. No one said Nazr is useless, I am just saying he is now more or less a burdain.

ducks??

[zeleni]

ducks??

a bit