If AJ doesnt pick TP to Allstar game he is a total jackass [Archive]

gospursgojas

01-29-2006, 01:27 AM

No way Baron Davis gets picked before TP... B-Diddy was owned by Tony earlier this season....But then againm they play on Thursday, coaches still on the fence between them two may use that game to make thier vote...

MannyIsGod

01-29-2006, 01:29 AM

Baron Davis absolutely gets picked before Tony. He's putting up incredible stats this season.

mavsfan1000

01-29-2006, 01:40 AM

Baron Davis sucks.
Before Baron Davis the warriors were terrible. Baron Davis has actually made them a decent team. Yes he struggles guarding quick guards like Parker and Harris but for the most part owns most point guards.

gospursgojas

01-29-2006, 01:46 AM

Baron Davis absolutely gets picked before Tony. He's putting up incredible stats this season.

BD 18.6 and 9.3

TP 19.2 and 5.8

It's pretty close... I love Baron Davis, but I would vote for Jason Richardson before I vote for Davis.

GoSpurs21

01-29-2006, 01:47 AM

Baron Davis absolutely gets picked before Tony. He's putting up incredible stats this season.hey fat ass, stick to your nachos cause you know jack shit about basketball

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jcrod

01-29-2006, 02:41 AM

Baron Davis absolutely gets picked before Tony. He's putting up incredible stats this season.

PTS AST REB STL FG%
BD 18.6 9.3 4.5 1.78 38%
TP 19.2 5.8 3.9 1.2 54%

I don't call those incredible stats, TP is there with him. I would put TP over him, especially since Tony isn't the Spurs go to guy like Barion is.

Oh and he's (TP) is playing 4 minutes less. 34.7 to 38.5

T Park

01-29-2006, 02:50 AM

no way should Baron Davis get selected ahead of Tony Parker.

The warriors are in the same place right now, as they were before Baron got there.

underachieving and not in the playoff race.

Trainwreck2100

01-29-2006, 02:52 AM

Like I've said before, last year 3 suns got elected in because of their record, and Marion went in over Brand, so don't be surprised if the coaches use team records as the tiebreaker.

Warlord23

01-29-2006, 03:07 AM

Baron Davis absolutely gets picked before Tony. He's putting up incredible stats this season.

What stats are you talking about?
Sure, Davis' 18/9/4.5 appears better on paper than Parker's 19/6/4.
But Davis plays 4 mins per game more than Parker.
A better measure is the +/- stat: Parker +9.2 (Leads SA Spurs), Davis +5.0 (5th on GS Warriors)
Or FG%: Parker 54.4%, Davis 38.8%
Or EFG%, adjusted for 3-pt shooting: Parker 54.7%, Davs 44.7%

Heck, Parker's much-reviled FT% is also marginally better than Davis'
I don't have access to Hollinger's PER numbers, but I'd be shocked if Davis scores over Parker on that count.
To top it all, Davis is a poor defender who picks up fouls at almost twice the rate that Parker.

Bottomline: I don't see how anyone can pick up the player with the 5th best +/- on the 11th seed over the player with the best +/- on a conference leader.

mavsfan1000

01-29-2006, 03:22 AM

What stats are you talking about?
Sure, Davis' 18/9/4.5 appears better on paper than Parker's 19/6/4.
But Davis plays 4 mins per game more than Parker.
A better measure is the +/- stat: Parker +9.2 (Leads SA Spurs), Davis +5.0 (5th on GS Warriors)
Or FG%: Parker 54.4%, Davis 38.8%
Or EFG%, adjusted for 3-pt shooting: Parker 54.7%, Davs 44.7%

Heck, Parker's much-reviled FT% is also marginally better than Davis'
I don't have access to Hollinger's PER numbers, but I'd be shocked if Davis scores over Parker on that count.
To top it all, Davis is a poor defender who picks up fouls at almost twice the rate that Parker.

Bottomline: I don't see how anyone can pick up the player with the 5th best +/- on the 11th seed over the player with the best +/- on a conference leader.

Well stats favor Parker here but take Duncan out of the lineup and see how efficient Parker is. Baron Davis has no lost post threat on his team. Baron Davis is by far a better playmaker than Parker.

Warlord23

01-29-2006, 03:28 AM

Well stats favor Parker here but take Duncan out of the lineup and see how efficient Parker is. Baron Davis has no lost post threat on his team. Baron Davis is by far a better playmaker than Parker.

Works both ways. One reason why Davis has 9 APG is because the ball moves through him on almost every possession when he is on the floor. Whereas the Spurs run plays exclusively for Duncan or Manu where Parker doesn't get credit via points or assists. Despite that, he leads the NBA in points in the paint.

Viva Las Espuelas

01-29-2006, 03:31 AM

he's the mavs head coach. of course he's a total jackass. see you in the second round my friends.

timvp

01-29-2006, 03:39 AM

AJ better pick TP to allstar game or he is just a jealous asshole

Classic AJ hater.

Viva San Antonio.

ZStomp

01-29-2006, 04:04 AM

AJ better pick TP to allstar game or he is just a jealous asshole

WHy do people think the AS head coach makes these decisions?

SequSpur

01-29-2006, 04:08 AM

Take Duncan out of the equation and Parker ave. 30 ppg.

STFU.

mavsfan1000

01-29-2006, 04:50 AM

Parker doesn't pass as well as Baron Davis. I would prefer a passing point guard rather than just a scoring one. Both are great guards but Davis is my pick.

reader

01-29-2006, 05:20 AM

What stats are you talking about?
Sure, Davis' 18/9/4.5 appears better on paper than Parker's 19/6/4.
But Davis plays 4 mins per game more than Parker.
A better measure is the +/- stat: Parker +9.2 (Leads SA Spurs), Davis +5.0 (5th on GS Warriors)
Or FG%: Parker 54.4%, Davis 38.8%
Or EFG%, adjusted for 3-pt shooting: Parker 54.7%, Davs 44.7%

Heck, Parker's much-reviled FT% is also marginally better than Davis'
I don't have access to Hollinger's PER numbers, but I'd be shocked if Davis scores over Parker on that count.
To top it all, Davis is a poor defender who picks up fouls at almost twice the rate that Parker.

Bottomline: I don't see how anyone can pick up the player with the 5th best +/- on the 11th seed over the player with the best +/- on a conference leader.

Hollingers PER, these are league numbers, not by postion

# 23 T Parker ... 21.8
# 42 B Davis .... 18.5

Baron is within points of Cassell, Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson, Brevin Knight, while Tony is hanging with the likes of Nash and Chris Paul.

You can find these numbers over at knickerblogger.net

The top of the home page has a link to team and player stats.

ChumpDumper

01-29-2006, 06:07 AM

Well stats favor Parker here but take Duncan out of the lineup and see how efficient Parker is.As long as he has a decent pick set for him, that's all he needs.

TDMVPDPOY

01-29-2006, 06:15 AM

lets hope avery doesnt pick tp

WalterBenitez

01-29-2006, 06:44 AM

SA is the NBA Champ, obviously TD is going to Houston, :rolleyes

so who is the next ... Manu isn't playing at AS player, Finley ...nop ... so for me is obvious that Spurs deserves a second or even a third AS :spin ... and it is very clear that THE PLAYER this year is TP, he's leading the NBA in pts in the paint, he's doing well 19.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 5.8 apg

JHoLove

01-29-2006, 11:42 AM

Baron Davis does not deserve to be an allstar.. especially over Tony Parker who has been playing great I must say. But I also must say I think the all-star game is a joke... especially fans voting who dont know anything about basketball.. yeah lets have amare stoudemire start wooohh.. hasnt played a whole game all season. yeah ok.

SAGambler

01-29-2006, 11:49 AM

Well stats favor Parker here but take Duncan out of the lineup and see how efficient Parker is.

And take Dirk out of the lineup and see how effective the Mavericks are...

That is just a stupid statement....

1Parker1

01-29-2006, 12:09 PM

Every single team's coach we have played this season said that their biggest concern was Tony Parker when playing the Spurs.

Flip Saunders believes Parker is the key to the success/failure of the Spurs

Doc Rivers praised Parker and his layup drill, saying he's never seen a PG practice layups during the shootaround.

And just yesterday, T-Wolves coach Dwayne Casey:

On Tony Parker - “Tony Parker is probably one of the fastest human beings in the world. He puts so much pressure on the defense when he is coming at you. He really keeps you on your heels. That causes offensive rebounds…when guys get out on Tony, they are out of position for the boards coming off the glass.”

There you have it.

exstatic

01-29-2006, 12:55 PM

Baron is overrated. He dominates the ball, which is why his assist numbers are better. He shoot shitty %, is constantly injured, and even when he's not, he fakes it to get traded. If he had a post threat, he would either ignore him, or his scoring would plummet with his inefficiency. I don't think he could EVER score what Tony does as a fluctuating 2nd or 3rd option.

Call me crazy, but in an unstructured game like the ASG, Tony could dominate the game and walk with the MVP.

pking

01-29-2006, 12:58 PM

I take Tony over BD.

Ohhh, Mavsfan.

ducks

01-29-2006, 03:36 PM

Tp Would Get 15 Layups Because They Do Not Play D In The Allstar Game
And Win The Mvp
He Is To Fast To Stop

CubanMustGo

01-29-2006, 05:04 PM

Hell, I don't want Parker, Manu, or even TD on the AS team. Let 'em get some rest. Let 'em get pissed because they were slighted and take it out on the rest of the L.

mavsfan1000

01-29-2006, 05:46 PM

SpursIndonesia

01-29-2006, 09:44 PM

Well stats favor Parker here but take Duncan out of the lineup and see how efficient Parker is. Baron Davis has no lost post threat on his team. Baron Davis is by far a better playmaker than Parker.

OK, so TD makes about 15+ Mil in salary, and for the sake of equation i'll take Bruce also out of the line up, i'll replace them with Rasheed Wallace and Rashard Lewis , i think he would still do great with that line up (Rasho, Rasheed, Lewis, Manu, & Tony). You just can't make a claim without calculating the dynamic around the issue :rolleyes:

SpursIndonesia

01-29-2006, 09:56 PM

Parker would be continously double teamed if he didn't have Duncan. His stats would be very inefficient like Baron and he doesn't make his teammates better. Baron is by far a better passer. Homerism if you think Parker could average that many assist even without Duncan.

And you assume after taking TD out of equation, you put a few scrubs as his replacement ? Yeah right :rolleyes, that's a 15 FRIGGIN mil dough salary spot that we're talking about, talking about stupidity & ignorance........How's TMac doing with his scrubby platoon in Houston ?

MI21

01-29-2006, 10:09 PM

Mike Bibby is making a case for AS. Sacramento keeps losing, but he has 3 40 point games in the last 2 weeks. I think Tony deserves it over Bibby easily, but Bibby has been in the running for years now and never made it I believe, and that usually helps in getting you into a game eventually.

mavsfan1000

01-29-2006, 10:13 PM

Put Parker on the Warriors instead of Baron and everyone else will struggle getting up points. Duncan used to be more of a scorer until Parker became the point guard.

CubanMustGo

01-29-2006, 10:24 PM

Put Parker on the Warriors instead of Baron and everyone else will struggle getting up points. Duncan used to be more of a scorer until Parker became the point guard.

Duncan's scoring is down exactly 3.3 ppg since 02-03, and I would attribute that more to injuries than to Parker (missed 13 and 16 games to injury the last two seasons, and is obviously dealing with similar issues this year). TD has never been a Lebron or Kobe "watch me throw the ball at the basket 35 times a game" type.

MI21

01-29-2006, 10:30 PM

Put Parker on the Warriors instead of Baron and everyone else will struggle getting up points. Duncan used to be more of a scorer until Parker became the point guard.

Duncan's 1st, 2nd and 4th highest scoring seasons have come with Tony at point guard.

Try again.

exstatic

01-29-2006, 10:50 PM

Put Tony on GS, and he's probably a 25/9 PG. Double teams would only mean 4 on 3 after he splits them. They KNOW he's going to drive now, and he still finishes at the rim.

B-diddy 270-688 FG
TP 340-625 FG

Russ

01-29-2006, 10:52 PM

AJ is way too smart to not pick Parker.

Kori Ellis

01-29-2006, 10:52 PM

Well don't you guys all think that there will be five guards on the A-S team?

So in the West it's Kobe/Nash ...

Who else?

I don't think 3 other guys will beat out Tony. So he's in IMO.

Kori Ellis

01-29-2006, 10:58 PM

Oh and as far as Baron Davis goes .. I should be a fan because of UCLA and all. But I can't get impressed by a guy that struggles to shoot 40 percent. I don't care how many points/assists he's putting up, his FG % always sucks. And until it improves, he's not an elite player.

exstatic

01-29-2006, 11:03 PM

Kori - It could be close if they decide that TMac has enough guard skills, even though he is stupidly categorized as a F on the ballot this year.

SpursIndonesia

01-29-2006, 11:03 PM

Put Parker on the Warriors instead of Baron and everyone else will struggle getting up points. Duncan used to be more of a scorer until Parker became the point guard.
And what assumption does your claim base on that the Warriors will struggle more with Tony as their PG ? Tony HAS NEVER played on a team that's perimeter oriented. If he DOESN'T HAVE to dump the rock into Duncan every once in a while, don't you think he would have been just as effective doing pick & roll, running in the paint and find a shooter outside with defense collapses on him ?

I'm not saying that he's perfect and the best in the bussiness at the moment, but you should PAY ATTENTION that Tony Parkers IS the Spurs BEST PLAYER up to this point in this season, leading a team that holds the top position of western conference standing. If that's not a merit for him to be included in All Star game, then i don't know what MERIT is -and i believe wertern conf coaches are not as thick as you :rolleyes

CharlieMac

01-29-2006, 11:23 PM

TP deserves it this season.

Kori Ellis

01-29-2006, 11:31 PM

Kori - It could be close if they decide that TMac has enough guard skills, even though he is stupidly categorized as a F on the ballot this year.

Even so, then they'd still take 2 other guards other than Kobe/Nash. So would they be?

Ray Allen? Davis? Richardson?

gospursgojas

01-29-2006, 11:55 PM

Tp Would Get 15 Layups Because They Do Not Play D In The Allstar Game
And Win The Mvp
He Is To Fast To Stop

Man that would be awesome... But seriously If Tony can get good mins, with the way he has been tearing defenders up this year, and with the lack of D @ the ASG...Tony could score 30 :fro

ShoogarBear

01-30-2006, 12:03 AM

Even so, then they'd still take 2 other guards other than Kobe/Nash. So would they be?

Ray Allen? Davis? Richardson?I know you don't like RayRay, but he deserves to go. Not necessarily ahead of Parker, but it's neck-and-neck.

One comment about Parker: I don't think his defense is anywhere near the level it was last year. Last year I would serously consider him for a spot on the 3rd team All-Defense (if they had one). This year, I just haven't seen it. Maybe his increased offensive load won't allow him to sustain the effort.

Also, apropos of nothing, and this isn't a shot a Parker, but did you know that Tp isn't even the leading French assist guy in the NBA? Boris Diaw is averaging 5.9 APG to Parkers 5.8! :wow

Supergirl

01-30-2006, 12:16 AM

WHy are we assuming AJ is the ASG coach? Wouldn't it be Pop?

gospursgojas

01-30-2006, 12:18 AM

WHy are we assuming AJ is the ASG coach? Wouldn't it be Pop?

The same coach can't coach the ASG two years in a row....

waly.mg

01-30-2006, 12:29 PM

My rankinkg of PG this year is:

#1 Steve Nash
#2 Tony Parker
#3 Mike Bibby (20.6 PPG, 5.6 Assis - January: 22.6 & 6.4)

Bibby´s best games:

Jan 25 at Knicks 106-102 W 46 14-30 3-8 4-4 1 4 5 10 0 0 3 4 35
Jan 24 at Sixers 103-109 L 43 17-25 4-9 6-6 0 3 3 4 1 0 3 3 44
Jan 19 vs. Lakers 118-109 W 48 13-29 6-11 8-10 0 4 4 6 1 0 3 1 40
Jan 15 vs. Magic 104-100 W 46 13-23 5-8 11-12 0 1 1 4 0 0 2 4 42
Jan 06 vs. Clippers 118-114 W 40 11-18 2-3 8-8 0 5 5 8 1 1 3 2 32
Dec 30 vs. Celtics 116-112 W 44 11-19 4-7 7-9 2 4 6 10 1 0 4 1 33
Dec 27 at Clippers 110-93 W 41 10-20 4-8 14-16 1 3 4 10 1 0 4 2 38
Nov 21 vs. Spurs 93-96 L 36 11-23 2-5 9-9 1 2 3 2 1 1 3 4 33