Islam Cartoon fury

[Vashner]

Ever see that show MAX X?

It's like that with this Cartoon furor of Mohammed with bomb on head.

It's poor taste but hey that's free speech. They are going nuts over it.

[JoeChalupa]

No.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yes, protest is an exercise of free speech.

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It's a tough test of intimidation for the press.

Will the press blink and back down?

The Egyptian-born owner of a French paper fired his top editor for publshing the cartoons.

Muslims in Europe have been and will continue to be a never-ending disaster for Europe.

The Muslim kids, esp the boys, drop out of school, no jobs, see widespread discrimination, ripe for radicalization and jihad, but they are European-born and hold local citizenship. Can't deport them.

Imagine if the 2nd generation Latinos born of illegal immigrants in USA decided they want to make jihad on USA and take back TX and CA for Mexico? :)

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Looks like the UK press already caved in


BBC NEWS

Straw condemns cartoon row press

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has condemned the decision by some European newspapers to reproduce cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad as "disrespectful".

But he praised the UK media for its "considerable responsibility and sensitivity" for not publishing them.

He said freedom of speech did not mean an "open season" on religious taboos.

British Muslims are preparing to protest outside the Danish embassy in London, after the cartoons first appeared in a Danish newspaper.

Among the images which have sparked outcry is one of Muhammad with a turban-shaped bomb on his head.

They have sparked protests across the Middle East.

On Thursday night a protest was held outside the BBC's Television Centre, after the corporation aired "glimpses" of the images, which it said it used "responsibly".

The editor of the Danish paper which first carried them has apologised, but newspapers in Spain, Italy, Germany and France have reprinted the material in a show of support.

'Religious taboos'

Speaking after talks with the Sudanese foreign minister, Mr Straw said: "There is freedom of speech, we all respect that.

"But there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory.

We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation
Jack Straw

"I believe that the republication of these cartoons has been insulting, it has been insensitive, it has been disrespectful and it has been wrong.

"There are taboos in every religion. It is not the case that there is open season in respect of all aspects of Christian rites and rituals in the name of free speech.

"Nor is it the case that there is open season in respect of rights and rituals of the Jewish religion, the Hindu religion, the Sikh religion.

"It should not be the case in respect of the Islamic religion either.

"We have to be very careful about showing the proper respect in this situation."

'Question of judgement'

UK Muslims have denied that the reaction to the cartoons' reproduction has been a threat to freedom of speech.

It was a "question of exercising good judgement", said Inayat Bunglawala, from the Muslim Council of Britain.

This situation is ripe for exploitation by extremists
Inayat Bunglawala, MCB

Mr Bunglawala told the BBC that any kind of cartoon that was derogatory to a race or group in a stereotypical way was "unacceptable".

"Of course Europe has the right to freedom of speech, and of course newspapers have the right to publish offensive cartoons. This was really a question about exercising good judgment," he said.

"Knowing full well the nature of these cartoons, they were offensive, deeply offensive to millions of Muslims, these newspaper editors should have exercised better judgment.

"Instead they have created a storm. This situation is ripe for exploitation by extremists.

"There is already a lot of tension between the Muslim world and Europe due to the war in Iraq and the current threat against Iran. It all comes at a very difficult time."

Demonstrators are set to gather at Regent's Park mosque in central London at 1400 GMT after Friday prayers and march to the Danish embassy in Sloane Street.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4676524.stm

Published: 2006/02/03 13:15:17 GMT

© BBC MMVI

[Mr. Peabody]

Yes, protest is an exercise of free speech.

:lol

[Murphy]

free speech, I think the cartoons are kinda funny in a way,lol

[E20]

This is the kind of thing that Muslims go overboard now-a-days. I mean moderates wouldn't really care, but it's just one cartoon in a EUROPEAN country. I mean who cares, people can get ticked off, but not call for murders. It's quite hypocritical of them.

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[Vashner]

LOL... I love that cartoon...

I remember on 9/11 they showed live Palastine celebrations, dancing up and down, burning our flag and Dubya effigies.

[hussker]

IS THIS THE CARTOON IN QUESTION?

http://static.flickr.com/31/94220513_64530e7cdd_o.jpg

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Yep.

[hussker]

Oh well...

[spurster]

Where's the outrage for all the terrorism in the name of Islam?

[xrayzebra]

We must show respect, they don't. Like the terrorist bill of rights the
dimm-o-craps want to pass. We have laws, rights and customs too. How
bout they show a little respect. They can kiss where the sun never shines
as far as I am concerned.

[boutons_]

That's one of them.

Another showed the other Gods telling Mohammed not to worry, They All have been caricatured one timeor another.

Nasty stuff. Let's slaughter some infidels. :lol

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Embassies burn in cartoon protest

Syrians have set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus to protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Protesters stormed the Danish site amid chants of "God is great", before moving on to attack the Norwegian mission.

Police fired tear gas to try to disperse crowds at the second site, but protesters broke in and set it ablaze.

The cartoons have sparked Muslim outrage across the world, following their publication in a Danish paper.

One depicts Muhammad as a terrorist. Any images of the Prophet are banned under Islamic tradition.

However, several European papers reprinted the cartoons, citing free speech.

The publications have prompted diplomatic sanctions, boycotts and death threats in some Arab nations.

In other developments:

* Palestinians protest in Gaza and the West Bank, as other demonstrators gather at the Danish embassy in London
* A Jordanian editor sacked after publishing the cartoons is arrested
* Iran says it should consider abandoning commercial and trade deals with countries where the cartoons have appeared
* The Vatican says the right to freedom of expression does not imply the right to offend religious beliefs.

'We defend you'

Syrians have been staging sit-ins outside the Danish embassy since the row intensified earlier this week, when Damascus recalled its ambassador.


CARTOON ROW
30 Sept: Danish paper publishes cartoons
20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM
10 Jan: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador
30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding apology
31 Jan: Danish paper apologises
1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons

On Saturday, hundreds hurled stones and stormed the Danish site, before moving to the Norwegian embassy.

"With our blood and souls we defend you, O Prophet of God," they chanted outside the Danish building, which also houses the Swedish and Chilean missions.

Some removed the Danish flag and replaced it with another reading: "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God."

The embassy was closed, but it was not immediately clear if it was empty when the protests started.

Thick, black smoke rose from the building as firefighters struggled to put out the flames.

Ambulances rushed to the scene and dozens of policemen stood guard.

Danish 'distress'

In Copenhagen, the government called on its nationals to leave Syria at once.

On Friday, the Danish prime minister made a new bid to calm anger, by explaining his position over the publication to Muslim ambassadors.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen said he could never apologise for a newspaper's actions, but said he was "distressed" at offence caused.

The cartoons originated in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten paper and have been reprinted in newspapers in France, Germany, Italy, Hungary, the Netherlands and Spain - who say they were exercising their right to free speech.

Jyllands-Posten has apologised for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintains it was legal under Danish law to print the cartoons.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/4681294.stm

Published: 2006/02/04 19:42:14 GMT

© BBC MMVI

[turambar85]

I confess ignorance in this...but have there never been published pictures or shows depicting Jesus or some other Christian figure in a distasteful light? Any examples would be appreciated.

[spurster]

Anyone can google for "Jesus cartoons" and find stuff, for example:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1689434,00.html

Jesus cartoons get the OK
13/04/2005 21:44 - (SA)

Athens - A Greek court has allowed a controversial Austrian book of cartoons portraying Jesus as a marijuana-smoking hippy to go on sale after it was previously banned for blasphemy.

Austrian cartoonist Gerhard Haderer initially had been found guilty and given a six-month suspended prison sentence in January for maliciously insulting the Orthodox Church and his book The Life of Jesus was banned in Greece.

The book, which had initially gone on sale in Greece in 2002, but was pulled from stores just days later after pressure from the country's powerful church, portrays Jesus as a hippy surfer who enjoys smoking marijuana with friends and celebrities, including Jimi Hendrix.

On Wednesday, an Athens appeals court ruled the book was not "blasphemous" and overturned the cartoonist's previous conviction.

Haderer had the support of many of the country's top cartoonists, who said the earlier court decision harmed the image of their country.

About 1 000 people had signed a petition, demanding the immediate lifting of the ban.

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Nordic uproar at Syrian protests

Denmark and Norway have condemned Syria for failing to stop attacks on their embassies in a row over the publication of contentious cartoons.

Syrians set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus in protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

The two Nordic countries said it was unacceptable that Syrian authorities had allowed protests to take place.

The two countries have called for their citizens to leave Syria.

'Inexcusable failure'

The US also criticised Syria's approach, saying it was "inexcusable" for such damage to be inflicted on diplomatic missions.

"The United States condemns in the strongest terms the burning of the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus, Syria today, which also damaged the Chilean and Swedish embassies," a White House spokesman said.

"The government of Syria's failure to provide protection to diplomatic premises, in the face of warnings that violence was planned, is inexcusable."

Protesters had scaled the Danish site amid chants of "God is great", before moving on to attack the Norwegian mission.

The cartoons sparked Muslim outrage across the world, following their publication in a Danish paper in September.

One depicts Muhammad as a terrorist. Any images of the Prophet are banned under Islamic tradition.


CARTOON ROW
30 Sept: Danish paper publishes cartoons
20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM
10 Jan: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador
30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding apology
31 Jan: Danish paper apologises
1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons

However, several European papers recently reprinted the cartoons, citing free speech.

The publications prompted diplomatic sanctions, boycotts and death threats in some Arab nations.

Two Jordanian editors who published the cartoons have been arrested.

Syrians have staged sit-ins outside the Danish embassy since the row intensified earlier this week, when Damascus recalled its ambassador.

Some removed the Danish flag and replaced it with another reading: "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God."

The embassy was closed, and no diplomats were reported to have been injured in either attack.

Danish 'distress'

Outside the Norwegian embassy, police fired tear gas to try to disperse the protesters, but some broke in and set it ablaze.

Demonstrators also tried to storm the French mission, but were stopped.

On Friday, the Danish prime minister made a new bid to calm anger, by explaining his position over the publication to Muslim ambassadors.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen said he could never apologise for a newspaper's actions, but said he was "distressed" at offence caused.
Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/4682388.stm

Published: 2006/02/05 03:52:11 GMT

© BBC MMVI

[exstatic]

Religion is the opiate (or in this case, the crystal meth) of the masses. This is just another case of a religion trying to impose their tenets on everyone.

[Spurminator]

Atheistic superiority complexes are the masturbation of the rest.

Religion is not at fault here any more than humankind in general is at fault. If these nutjobs didn't have religion they'd find some other cause for which to band together and impose their will.

[Trainwreck2100]

I love how they chanted "God is Great", he insulted his prophet for Christ's sake.

[E20]

Religion is the opiate (or in this case, the crystal meth) of the masses. This is just another case of a religion trying to impose their tenets on everyone.
Ernest Hemingway.

[Vashner]

I was watching this PBS show about the U.S. revolution and people like George Washington. They where talking about how John Adams secured money from the Dutch and without that money we would of never won freedom. Now the Dutch are in this with Islam and we are too. Just thinkn' bout it.

[Nbadan]

I was watching this PBS show about the U.S. revolution and people like George Washington. They where talking about how John Adams secured money from the Dutch and without that money we would of never won freedom. Now the Dutch are in this with Islam and we are too. Just thinkn' bout it.

Eh, it wasn't just the Dutch, our fore-fathers were playing the French, Spaniards and British against each other too, but hey, all those countries have had problems with Islam too, so in a off-hand way, you’re still right.

:shootme

[Nbadan]

oh, yeah I forgot the Portugese. Damn slave traders.

:lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

i see no funny or seriousness in that pic.....

[E20]

They guy should have known better, I mean how uptight Muslims can be with depicting relgious figures. Most other relgions don't really care how theirs are portrayed, but I'm guessing he knew and what might have happend. It's comparable to making fun of the bullys' mom and publishing it in the school newspaper and claiming it freespeech, well of course you're gonna get your ass kicked and suspended, the samething could be said with the uproar.

[E20]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060206/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings

[velik_m]

Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depictions of the Prophet Muhammad for fear they could lead to idolatry.

ironic, isn't it? They shouldn't idolize him, yet they do...

[xrayzebra]

^^What more can you expect. Most of the people in that region's only education
is in Islam. Those that can go to a normal school don't hold Islam in such a high
regard. Go to those countries and you learn to not listen to the constant pouring out Islam all day long from the mosque via PA systems.

[Phenomanul]

^^What more can you expect. Most of the people in that region's only education
is in Islam. Those that can go to a normal school don't hold Islam in such a high regard. Go to those countries and you learn to not listen to the constant pouring out Islam all day long from the mosque via PA systems.


True... because most of them see the obvious hypocritical nature of Muhammad's teachings vs how he conducted his life (which is described by the Hadith... a book jih-a-dists take to heart).

[Nbadan]

^^What more can you expect. Most of the people in that region's only education
is in Islam. Those that can go to a normal school don't hold Islam in such a high
regard. Go to those countries and you learn to not listen to the constant pouring out Islam all day long from the mosque via PA systems.

You mean like the Chruch-bells down my street?

Eh, 90% of Muslims are peaceful, hard-working moms and dads, but 10%, like 10% in any population, are religious extremists. That's 10% out of a population of 1+ billion though, which makes about 1 million extremists willing to tie bombs to themselves and blow up American targets around the world. Is that what we want?

[Vashner]

I didn't say it was just the Dutch. Just saying they did give a LOT of the initial loan money for America's revolution.

[cheguevara]

Yes, protest is an exercise of free speech.

good point. Why are ppl getting so pissed at the protests? they have a right to protest too. If some are gonna be dumb enough to piss off millions of ppl, then the free-world that defends free speech should accept the consequences w/out bitching.

then again, with people w/a religion that beleives in killing all infidels, you're bound to piss them off sooner or later

[101A]

They guy should have known better, I mean how uptight Muslims can be with depicting relgious figures. Most other relgions don't really care how theirs are portrayed, but I'm guessing he knew and what might have happend. It's comparable to making fun of the bullys' mom and publishing it in the school newspaper and claiming it freespeech, well of course you're gonna get your ass kicked and suspended, the samething could be said with the uproar.


The cartoonists apparently were encouraged by the editor of the paper to do the funnies....to prove that they were not afraid of the muslims...they were showing there stones.

BTW, England has forbidden its papers from running the cartoons....

[E20]

The cartoonists apparently were encouraged by the editor of the paper to do the funnies....to prove that they were not afraid of the muslims...they were showing there stones.

BTW, England has forbidden its papers from running the cartoons....
Then there is no point about talking about the uproar, if everybody knew the outcome.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Will the price of Danish pastries go up now that the Danes are at war with terror?

[George W Bush]

Will the price of Danish pastries go up now that the Danes are at war with terror?

I've been to a Christian service with a Danish Pastry one time.
He gave a great surmon.

[101A]

An Iranian newspaper (at the encouragment of the government) is now holding a contest for people who can come up with the 12 greatest "Holocaust" cartoons.

The dozen winners all get a gold coin.

They suspect Western papers won't run THOSE cartoons.

I suspect they might be right.

[Spurminator]

I bet a lot of papers will run those cartoons.

[101A]

I bet a lot of papers will run those cartoons.


I hope you're right.

[E20]

An Iranian newspaper (at the encouragment of the government) is now holding a contest for people who can come up with the 12 greatest "Holocaust" cartoons.

The dozen winners all get a gold coin.

They suspect Western papers won't run THOSE cartoons.

I suspect they might be right.
That's the one thing that bugs me. Rad Muslims can dish heat out,but never take any. That is my problem with extermists(besides the condoning of murder to everybody besides their own group -- then maybe even not so they're own people just the people who share their radical views). They're so hypocritical it is not even funny. Sometimes I feel the US should just exit Iraq exert all it's energy to finding a new way of fuel sources and get out of the Middle East and revert back to isolationsim towards the ME.

[Vashner]

I want to ask them "Do you guys ever use those AK's or just talk shit and use bombs then run away?"...

As far as exiting Iraq. That's like really getting off topic... But we are already drawing down slowly at the moment so it's gonna happen.

There are about 18000 less troops there now and some boatloads of M1's coming back.