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02-03-2006, 11:48 AM
Here's an interesting comparison done by 82games.com on the NBA's best at drawing offensive fouls. Many are willing to stand and deliver, but less are willing to stand and get delivered. You must also have a card with the Screen Actors Guild.
Manu, Bruce and Robert are the Spurs' best. Here is the article, data and link to other interesting combinations:
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http://www.82games.com/charge.htm
"Taking the Charge" in NBA Basketball
There are some obvious individual measures that should without doubt be part of the official NBA statistics -- with some form of plus/minus data topping the list for us. However an even easier number to introduce would be foul drawing, and fans would relish and indeed have been clamoring to see data on which NBA players draw the most offensive fouls from their opponents.
If you can handle "un-official" statistics (which is to say we're missing video for parts of a handful of games and have some to be expected variance in data collection to begin with), then keep reading!
Leading NBA Players in drawing Offensive Fouls
For the NBA 2005-06 season to this point and with the aforementioned caveats, here are your league leaders:
2005-06 Season thru Jan. 29th
Rank Team Player Off.Fouls
Drawn
1 PHO Bell 50
2 UTA Collins 41
3 CHI Nocioni 33
4 GSW Dunleavy 30
5 NJN Krstic 29
6 PHI Iverson 28
7 NOK Mason 27
8 PHO Thomas 27
9 MEM Battier 26
10 MIL Bogut 26
11 NOK Claxton 26
12 SAC Miller 26
13 WAS Haywood 26
14 GSW Fisher 25
15 IND O'Neal 25
16 TOR Bosh 25
17 CHI Hinrich 22
18 SAS Ginobili 22
19 BOS Pierce 21
20 MIN Hudson 21
21 PHO Nash 21
22 DET B.Wallace 20
23 MIA Haslem 20
24 PHI Iguodala 20
25 DEN Najera 19
26 NYK Taylor 19
27 TOR Peterson 19
28 DEN Miller 18
29 POR Khryapa 18
30 SAS Bowen 18
We were expecting it to be very tight at the top with not a lot of separation, but as it turns out, we have a runaway leader in Raja Bell of the Suns, followed by one main chaser in part time player Jarron Collins of the Jazz.
It's an interesting mix, so let's try a little grouping.
"Little Big Men" -- height challenged Offensive Stars with a reputation for toughness
- Iverson, Ginobili, Nash, Andre Miller
Real Deal all around talents with the built bodies to match their willingness to step up
- Brad Miller, Jermaine O'Neal, Bosh, Pierce
Defensive Specialists/Gritty guys who don't mind doing the "dirty work"
- Collins, Nocioni, Kurt Thomas, Battier, Haywood, Fisher, Ben Wallace, Haslem, Iguodala, Najera, Mo Taylor, Khryapa, Bruce Bowen
Often overlooked/Quiet game types
Bell, Dunleavy, Krstic, Mason, Bogut, Claxton, Hinrich, Hudson, Peterson
It's pretty safe to say that all of the players on this list are winners in a sense, with the right attitude to the game and thus good guys to have on a team.
Indeed, 23 of the top 30 charge takers have positive on court/off court ratings. The character of a player to "take one for the team" is often discussed, but hard to quantify...offensive fouls drawn may be a good place to start.
Since a number of the "enforcers" of the NBA and hustle players who do often seem to be the first to put their bodies in the way of an oncoming player (and let's be honest, we're talking freight trains in some cases) don't play extensive minutes, it makes sense to look at the leaders on an offensive fouls drawn on a Foul Drawn per X Minutes" basis.
Minimum: 10 Offensive Fouls Drawn Rank Team Player Off.Fouls Drawn Minutes/Off.Foul Drawn
1 UTA Collins 41 24.2
2 MIN Madsen 14 26.1
3 SEA Fortson 10 27.6
4 NYK Taylor 19 31.9
5 ATL Ivey 11 32.1
6 PHO Bell 50 32.7
7 CHI Harrington 15 33.0
8 CHI Nocioni 33 34.2
9 POR Khryapa 18 34.4
10 MIN Hudson 21 37.4
11 SAS Ginobili 22 38.3
12 NOK Andersen 14 40.7
13 NJN Jackson 10 40.7
14 WAS Haywood 26 41.5
15 NJN Krstic 29 42.9
Yeah, maybe this look was a bit of an excuse to give a send off to the "Bird Man" Chris Andersen, who will hopefully find happier days ahead.
Still the top two in raw total show up well, placing #1 and #6 in rate of drawing the charge despite twice as many offensive fouls drawn as the other members of the upper echelon.
We do also add a few of the names that would be most guessed for this kind of activity -- the Madsen, Fortson, and Othella Harringtons of the NBA.
Team by Team Leaders in drawing Offensive Fouls
All right, the league leaders are fun, but you want to know who's been getting knocked to the floor most often on a team by team basis, and also whether offensive fouls have any correlation with team success.
Team Off.Fouls Drawn Off.Fouls Committed Net Off.Foul Top Three in drawing Offensive Foul
1. Phoenix 156 71 +85 Bell 50 - Thomas 27 - Nash 21
2. Utah 137 112 +25 Collins 41 - Williams 17 - Brown 15
3. Chicago 136 109 +27 Nocioni 33 - Hinrich 22 - Harrington 15
4. Toronto 114 110 +4 Bosh 25 - Peterson 19 - James 14
5. New Orleans 109 94 +15 Mason 27 - Claxton 26 - Andersen 14
5. Washington 109 93 +16 Haywood 26 - Arenas 15 - Daniels 14
7. Denver 107 99 +8 Najera 19 - Miller 18 - Camby 16
7. New York 107 140 -33 Taylor 19 - Davis 15 - Robinson 15
9. Sacramento 104 77 +27 Miller 26 - Bibby 17 - Martin 15
10. Charlotte 102 88 +14 Felton 16 - Bogans 13 - Wallace 13
10. Milwaukee 102 105 -3 Bogut 26 - Ford 11 - Welsch 10
12. Golden State 101 92 +9 Dunleavy 30 - Fisher 25 - Davis 10
13. Atlanta 100 107 -7 Lue 17 - J.Smith 16 - Pachulia 15
14. New Jersey 99 90 +9 Krstic 29 - Carter 13 - Jackson 10
15. Boston 97 97 0 Pierce 21 - Jefferson 15 - West 12
16. Memphis 96 80 +16 Battier 26 - Miller 13 - Gasol 13
17. L.A. Lakers 95 109 -14 Vujacic 16 - Cook 15 - Brown 14
18. Philadelphia 92 70 +22 Iverson 28 - Iguodala 20 - Korver 15
19. San Antonio 91 72 +19 Ginobili 22 - Bowen 18 - Horry 10
20. Miami 85 97 -12 Haslem 20 - Posey 16 - Wade 9
21. Dallas 83 88 -5 Harris 15 - Howard 12 - Terry 10
22. Minnesota 79 91 -12 Hudson 21 - Szczerbiak 15 - Madsen 14
22. Orlando 79 98 -19 Stevenson 15 - Battie 10 - Nelson 8
24. Cleveland 76 88 -12 Gooden 15 - Ilgauskas 11 - James 11
25. Portland 74 104 -30 Khryapa 18 - Ratliff 16 - Patterson 8
26. Indiana 73 116 -43 O'Neal 25 - Croshere 11 - Jones 9
27. Detroit 65 62 +3 B.Wallace 20 - Hamilton 12 - R.Wallace 8
28. Seattle 64 102 -38 Collison 11 - Ridnour 11 - Fortson 10
29. L.A. Clippers 62 95 -33 Cassell 13 - Mobley 7 - Brand 7
30. Houston 49 87 -38 Wesley 11 - Bowen 7 - Baxter 6
The Phoenix Suns have really been one of the two top team stories of the season along with Detroit's magnificent performance. The thing is that the mainstream is still thinking Phoenix is the uber-offense, no defense team of a year ago, when in fact they are playing a different style of game nowadays. Last year for instance, we had them drawing 135 offensive fouls on the season, which they have already surpassed at slightly past the halfway point this season!
Now before you get too excited Phoenix fans, it's worth noticing that of the top ten teams in offensive fouls drawn, only one of the six powerhouse clubs at the moment (.600+ winning pct) are in the list, and the mighty Pistons are actually 4th from the bottom. Indeed, a bunch of the top ten are likely to miss the playoffs! On the other hand, last year's eventual NBA champion Spurs were the #1 team in "net offensive fouls"...just like the 'running Suns' are this year.
We'll have a lot more to say about fouls in future articles (picture things like "Flop %" and "Kings of the Loose Ball collisions"), but to summarize it looks like this:
1. players who are among the leaders in offensive fouls drawn are likely to have positive on court/off court influence
2. the correlation between team totals for drawing offensive fouls and net offensive fouls to wins is limited
3. it takes one bad ass/crazy dude to stand in the way of an NBA superstar driving full speed to the basket!
Manu, Bruce and Robert are the Spurs' best. Here is the article, data and link to other interesting combinations:
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http://www.82games.com/charge.htm
"Taking the Charge" in NBA Basketball
There are some obvious individual measures that should without doubt be part of the official NBA statistics -- with some form of plus/minus data topping the list for us. However an even easier number to introduce would be foul drawing, and fans would relish and indeed have been clamoring to see data on which NBA players draw the most offensive fouls from their opponents.
If you can handle "un-official" statistics (which is to say we're missing video for parts of a handful of games and have some to be expected variance in data collection to begin with), then keep reading!
Leading NBA Players in drawing Offensive Fouls
For the NBA 2005-06 season to this point and with the aforementioned caveats, here are your league leaders:
2005-06 Season thru Jan. 29th
Rank Team Player Off.Fouls
Drawn
1 PHO Bell 50
2 UTA Collins 41
3 CHI Nocioni 33
4 GSW Dunleavy 30
5 NJN Krstic 29
6 PHI Iverson 28
7 NOK Mason 27
8 PHO Thomas 27
9 MEM Battier 26
10 MIL Bogut 26
11 NOK Claxton 26
12 SAC Miller 26
13 WAS Haywood 26
14 GSW Fisher 25
15 IND O'Neal 25
16 TOR Bosh 25
17 CHI Hinrich 22
18 SAS Ginobili 22
19 BOS Pierce 21
20 MIN Hudson 21
21 PHO Nash 21
22 DET B.Wallace 20
23 MIA Haslem 20
24 PHI Iguodala 20
25 DEN Najera 19
26 NYK Taylor 19
27 TOR Peterson 19
28 DEN Miller 18
29 POR Khryapa 18
30 SAS Bowen 18
We were expecting it to be very tight at the top with not a lot of separation, but as it turns out, we have a runaway leader in Raja Bell of the Suns, followed by one main chaser in part time player Jarron Collins of the Jazz.
It's an interesting mix, so let's try a little grouping.
"Little Big Men" -- height challenged Offensive Stars with a reputation for toughness
- Iverson, Ginobili, Nash, Andre Miller
Real Deal all around talents with the built bodies to match their willingness to step up
- Brad Miller, Jermaine O'Neal, Bosh, Pierce
Defensive Specialists/Gritty guys who don't mind doing the "dirty work"
- Collins, Nocioni, Kurt Thomas, Battier, Haywood, Fisher, Ben Wallace, Haslem, Iguodala, Najera, Mo Taylor, Khryapa, Bruce Bowen
Often overlooked/Quiet game types
Bell, Dunleavy, Krstic, Mason, Bogut, Claxton, Hinrich, Hudson, Peterson
It's pretty safe to say that all of the players on this list are winners in a sense, with the right attitude to the game and thus good guys to have on a team.
Indeed, 23 of the top 30 charge takers have positive on court/off court ratings. The character of a player to "take one for the team" is often discussed, but hard to quantify...offensive fouls drawn may be a good place to start.
Since a number of the "enforcers" of the NBA and hustle players who do often seem to be the first to put their bodies in the way of an oncoming player (and let's be honest, we're talking freight trains in some cases) don't play extensive minutes, it makes sense to look at the leaders on an offensive fouls drawn on a Foul Drawn per X Minutes" basis.
Minimum: 10 Offensive Fouls Drawn Rank Team Player Off.Fouls Drawn Minutes/Off.Foul Drawn
1 UTA Collins 41 24.2
2 MIN Madsen 14 26.1
3 SEA Fortson 10 27.6
4 NYK Taylor 19 31.9
5 ATL Ivey 11 32.1
6 PHO Bell 50 32.7
7 CHI Harrington 15 33.0
8 CHI Nocioni 33 34.2
9 POR Khryapa 18 34.4
10 MIN Hudson 21 37.4
11 SAS Ginobili 22 38.3
12 NOK Andersen 14 40.7
13 NJN Jackson 10 40.7
14 WAS Haywood 26 41.5
15 NJN Krstic 29 42.9
Yeah, maybe this look was a bit of an excuse to give a send off to the "Bird Man" Chris Andersen, who will hopefully find happier days ahead.
Still the top two in raw total show up well, placing #1 and #6 in rate of drawing the charge despite twice as many offensive fouls drawn as the other members of the upper echelon.
We do also add a few of the names that would be most guessed for this kind of activity -- the Madsen, Fortson, and Othella Harringtons of the NBA.
Team by Team Leaders in drawing Offensive Fouls
All right, the league leaders are fun, but you want to know who's been getting knocked to the floor most often on a team by team basis, and also whether offensive fouls have any correlation with team success.
Team Off.Fouls Drawn Off.Fouls Committed Net Off.Foul Top Three in drawing Offensive Foul
1. Phoenix 156 71 +85 Bell 50 - Thomas 27 - Nash 21
2. Utah 137 112 +25 Collins 41 - Williams 17 - Brown 15
3. Chicago 136 109 +27 Nocioni 33 - Hinrich 22 - Harrington 15
4. Toronto 114 110 +4 Bosh 25 - Peterson 19 - James 14
5. New Orleans 109 94 +15 Mason 27 - Claxton 26 - Andersen 14
5. Washington 109 93 +16 Haywood 26 - Arenas 15 - Daniels 14
7. Denver 107 99 +8 Najera 19 - Miller 18 - Camby 16
7. New York 107 140 -33 Taylor 19 - Davis 15 - Robinson 15
9. Sacramento 104 77 +27 Miller 26 - Bibby 17 - Martin 15
10. Charlotte 102 88 +14 Felton 16 - Bogans 13 - Wallace 13
10. Milwaukee 102 105 -3 Bogut 26 - Ford 11 - Welsch 10
12. Golden State 101 92 +9 Dunleavy 30 - Fisher 25 - Davis 10
13. Atlanta 100 107 -7 Lue 17 - J.Smith 16 - Pachulia 15
14. New Jersey 99 90 +9 Krstic 29 - Carter 13 - Jackson 10
15. Boston 97 97 0 Pierce 21 - Jefferson 15 - West 12
16. Memphis 96 80 +16 Battier 26 - Miller 13 - Gasol 13
17. L.A. Lakers 95 109 -14 Vujacic 16 - Cook 15 - Brown 14
18. Philadelphia 92 70 +22 Iverson 28 - Iguodala 20 - Korver 15
19. San Antonio 91 72 +19 Ginobili 22 - Bowen 18 - Horry 10
20. Miami 85 97 -12 Haslem 20 - Posey 16 - Wade 9
21. Dallas 83 88 -5 Harris 15 - Howard 12 - Terry 10
22. Minnesota 79 91 -12 Hudson 21 - Szczerbiak 15 - Madsen 14
22. Orlando 79 98 -19 Stevenson 15 - Battie 10 - Nelson 8
24. Cleveland 76 88 -12 Gooden 15 - Ilgauskas 11 - James 11
25. Portland 74 104 -30 Khryapa 18 - Ratliff 16 - Patterson 8
26. Indiana 73 116 -43 O'Neal 25 - Croshere 11 - Jones 9
27. Detroit 65 62 +3 B.Wallace 20 - Hamilton 12 - R.Wallace 8
28. Seattle 64 102 -38 Collison 11 - Ridnour 11 - Fortson 10
29. L.A. Clippers 62 95 -33 Cassell 13 - Mobley 7 - Brand 7
30. Houston 49 87 -38 Wesley 11 - Bowen 7 - Baxter 6
The Phoenix Suns have really been one of the two top team stories of the season along with Detroit's magnificent performance. The thing is that the mainstream is still thinking Phoenix is the uber-offense, no defense team of a year ago, when in fact they are playing a different style of game nowadays. Last year for instance, we had them drawing 135 offensive fouls on the season, which they have already surpassed at slightly past the halfway point this season!
Now before you get too excited Phoenix fans, it's worth noticing that of the top ten teams in offensive fouls drawn, only one of the six powerhouse clubs at the moment (.600+ winning pct) are in the list, and the mighty Pistons are actually 4th from the bottom. Indeed, a bunch of the top ten are likely to miss the playoffs! On the other hand, last year's eventual NBA champion Spurs were the #1 team in "net offensive fouls"...just like the 'running Suns' are this year.
We'll have a lot more to say about fouls in future articles (picture things like "Flop %" and "Kings of the Loose Ball collisions"), but to summarize it looks like this:
1. players who are among the leaders in offensive fouls drawn are likely to have positive on court/off court influence
2. the correlation between team totals for drawing offensive fouls and net offensive fouls to wins is limited
3. it takes one bad ass/crazy dude to stand in the way of an NBA superstar driving full speed to the basket!