Pics from Muslim Protests in Europe

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nice touch...

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060203/i/r399679231.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8171/20060203britishmuslims031dx.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060203/capt.llp12602031854.britain_denmark_europe_llp126. jpg

[JoePublic]

Those signs are Words of Mass Destruction and must be destroyed!!!!!

[Spurminator]

My first reaction was that those could be fakes.

Sadly, I was wrong.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060203/i/r1365134527.jpg

[hussker]

My first reaction was that those could be fakes.

Sadly, I was wrong.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060203/i/r1365134527.jpg


Look...A Poet and Didn't Know It!!!!

[hussker]

BUT...the 9/11 is on "IT IS" Way?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Too bad they don't have terrorist threat laws over there. Probably could have rounded up quite a few wannabe jihadis in one fell swoop at these rallies.

Fuckers danced in the streets on 9/11 and now are getting their panties in a bunch over a cartoon.

Just more proof of where all this is headed. WWIII - Radislam versus the civilized masses.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

BUT...the 9/11 is on "IT IS" Way?

:lmao @ grammar smacking somebody making a terrorist threat. (I'm not saying anything towards you, Hussker, just saying that it's pretty funny).

These guys are acting pretty fucked up and I just love that some of them are still saying they're being peaceful.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

oxyMORON

You're right, there's not a day goes by that people here in the US, most of Europe, Australia, Russia, etc. don't wake up worrying about being beheaded or having a bomb blow them up on their morning commute.

Fucking idiot.

I guess a better generalization would have been those of us living in the post-Industrial Revolution world versus the radIslam fuckers who like eating rocks and living in caves.

[spurster]

It looks to me that they protesting for democracy and freedom.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Aggie thinks freedom of speech sucks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Who said anything about not wanting freedom of speech?

Some of you are trying to take my comment out of context while completely overlooking the mindset of radIslam.

This is your enemy folks, they won't go away when W. leaves office, and it's not his fault they think this way.

I guess some of you clowns equate free speech with saying "get ready for your 9/11 Europe."

Fair enough, hopefully someone you care about isn't over there in that part of the world when it happens.

[xrayzebra]

Aggie thinks freedom of speech sucks.

Like yelling "fire" in a theater. Is that freedom of speech? Idiot!

[Guru of Nothing]

Refreshingly, Muslims lack a Christian-like refinement when it comes to addressing hate.

[Yonivore]

I say they should start mowin' 'em down with .50 cals mounted on the embassy roofs.

[Vashner]

Same hand did all those signs above. Look at how they crossed the T on top.

Same on all 3...

[Trainwreck2100]

Refreshingly, Muslims lack a Christian-like refinement when it comes to addressing hate.

Damn right, we are more coniving and diabolical. All of this likes refinement.

[Trainwreck2100]

Another thing, did America protest when they danced in the fucking streets after 9/11. This is so damn hipocritical it ain't even funny.

[Nbadan]

Emm...I wonder what would happen here if a cartoonist portrayed Jesus Christ in a 'brokeback mountain' moment with some of his disciples.

Hey, I have an idea. How about we just quit insulting each other's religious idols?

[Vashner]

Some of the pics. http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/02feb2006/mux.html

[Nbadan]

What the hell is that? I don't have my Islamic translator on.

:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Emm...I wonder what would happen here if a cartoonist portrayed Jesus Christ in a 'brokeback mountain' moment with some of his disciples.

Hey, I have an idea. How about we just quit insulting each other's religious idols?

I honestly don't know what would happen, but I'm willing to bet Christians wouldn't be threaterning to fly planes into buildings.

[Spurminator]

Emm...I wonder what would happen here if a cartoonist portrayed Jesus Christ in a 'brokeback mountain' moment with some of his disciples.

Already happened, sort of... There were some anonymous bomb threats, though nothing on the scale of what we're seeing here. Like I said before, nutjobs are nutjobs.

http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?1998/09/22/3


Hey, I have an idea. How about we just quit insulting each other's religious idols?

I agree... By no means am I taking sides with these assholes threatening a European 9/11 but I also have to wonder what the hell was the point of printing a cartoon that was so certain to cause this kind of uproar. It's not like it's a creative or innovative statement (equating terrorism with Islam? What an angle!) Although I guess it's on par with most political cartoons.

This kind of bullshit only further aligns peaceful Muslims with Muslim Terrorists. How can we expect peaceful Muslims take our side and denounce terrorism if we continue to equate them to terrorists and insult their beliefs?

[jav]

Quote from Spurminator -I agree... By no means am I taking sides with these assholes threatening a European 9/11 but I also have to wonder what the hell was the point of printing a cartoon that was so certain to cause this kind of uproar. It's not like it's a creative or innovative statement (equating terrorism with Islam? What an angle!) Although I guess it's on par with most political cartoons.

Answer from Wikipedia
The drawings, which include a depiction of Muhammad with a bomb in his turban, were meant as satirical illustrations accompanying an article on self-censorship and freedom of speech. Jyllands-Posten commissioned and published the cartoons in response to the difficulty of Danish writer Kåre Bluitgen to find artists to illustrate his children's book about Muhammad, for fear of violent attacks by extremist Muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons

[ALVAREZ6]

fucking bitch ass Muslims....

[MannyIsGod]

Emm...I wonder what would happen here if a cartoonist portrayed Jesus Christ in a 'brokeback mountain' moment with some of his disciples.

Hey, I have an idea. How about we just quit insulting each other's religious idols?All I know I know is that the few normal people in this world are surrounded by these idiots, radical Jews, radical Christians, Red States, Blue States, and all around general idiotic assholes.


Sometimes I really am just disgusted by most people. They never see themselves when they look right into a damn mirror.

[2centsworth]

Emm...I wonder what would happen here if a cartoonist portrayed Jesus Christ in a 'brokeback mountain' moment with some of his disciples.

Hey, I have an idea. How about we just quit insulting each other's religious idols?
There would be protest like when Christians protested the Last Temptation of Christ, but no threats of murder like 9/11. Christians will attack the wallet Muslim go str8 for the throat. Of course, I expect most of the libs to justify the terrorist somehow.

[2centsworth]

Already happened, sort of... There were some anonymous bomb threats, though nothing on the scale of what we're seeing here. Like I said before, nutjobs are nutjobs.

http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?1998/09/22/3



I agree... By no means am I taking sides with these assholes threatening a European 9/11 but I also have to wonder what the hell was the point of printing a cartoon that was so certain to cause this kind of uproar. It's not like it's a creative or innovative statement (equating terrorism with Islam? What an angle!) Although I guess it's on par with most political cartoons.

This kind of bullshit only further aligns peaceful Muslims with Muslim Terrorists. How can we expect peaceful Muslims take our side and denounce terrorism if we continue to equate them to terrorists and insult their beliefs?
are you saying calling them names and insulting them justifies murder and terror? There is no justification for Terror no matter what anyone says.

[2centsworth]

All I know I know is that the few normal people in this world are surrounded by these idiots, radical Jews, radical Christians, Red States, Blue States, and all around general idiotic assholes.


Sometimes I really am just disgusted by most people. They never see themselves when they look right into a damn mirror.
justifying the radical muslims by compaing them to other radicals. Fantasitic.

[MannyIsGod]

There would be protest like when Christians protested the Last Temptation of Christ, but no threats of murder like 9/11. Christians will attack the wallet Muslim go str8 for the throat. Of course, I expect most of the libs to justify the terrorist somehow.People have done many an act of violence in the name of Christianity in very recent history.

I agree that radical Islam is much more of a problem than any radical form of Christianity, but lets not act as though there are radicals on each side.

[MannyIsGod]

justifying the radical muslims by compaing them to other radicals. Fantasitic.There was no justification for anyone within my post. It was merely an expression of deep frustration with humanity as a whole.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

For the first time in a long time, I agree with something coming out of France:


Philippe Douste-Blazy, the French foreign minister, said: "It is not normal to caricature a whole religion as an extremist or terrorist movement." But the extreme reaction to the cartoons "would suggest the caricaturists were right," he added.

:wow

[Spurminator]

are you saying calling them names and insulting them justifies murder and terror?

How on earth did you infer that from my post?

[2centsworth]

This kind of bullshit only further aligns peaceful Muslims with Muslim Terrorists

Why would calling peaceful Muslims names align them with Terrorist? Is the name calling justification for them? If it is, they are just pretending to be peaceful and are looking for any excuse to chop your head off.

[Spurminator]

I'm not talking about alignment as in taking up arms alongside them in terrorist acts, but if we expect peaceful Muslims and Muslim leaders to actively denounce terrorism it's probably best that we don't insult them. Otherwise, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone if they keep silent on the matter.

[2centsworth]

I'm not talking about alignment as in taking up arms alongside them in terrorist acts, but if we expect peaceful Muslims and Muslim leaders to actively denounce terrorism it's probably best that we don't insult them. Otherwise, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone if they keep silent on the matter.
again your justifying their actions when there's no justification for terrorism. Keeping quiet makes them an accessory to the crime and people calling them names is not a defense.

[Spurminator]

Keeping quiet makes them an accessory to the crime and people calling them names is not a defense.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm talking about peaceful Muslims who don't know anything about any potential terrorist acts. You seem to assume that every Muslim knows when the next 9/11 is coming as if it's something that's actively discussed worship services. They're not accessories if they don't know anything.

Asking Muslims to denounce terrorism is asking a LOT, particularly in the Middle East. They could be killed for speaking out. You believe they are obligated to risk their lives and the lives of their families to voice their moral opposition to terrorists while at the same time you equate them to the terrorists? That's completely unrealistic.

It's like saying you can't support the war unless you're on the front lines.

[2centsworth]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm talking about peaceful Muslims who don't know anything about any potential terrorist acts. You seem to assume that every Muslim knows when the next 9/11 is coming as if it's something that's actively discussed worship services. They're not accessories if they don't know anything.

Asking Muslims to denounce terrorism is asking a LOT, particularly in the Middle East. They could be killed for speaking out. You believe they are obligated to risk their lives and the lives of their families to voice their moral opposition to terrorists while at the same time you equate them to the terrorists? That's completely unrealistic.
first off i'm not equating them to anything and most people aren't either. However, when wackos bombed abortion clinics I had not problem expressing my moral outrage even though I'm pro-life. You can equate me to those wackos all you want, and most liberals try to do so, but it won't stop me from condeming that sort of violence.

[2centsworth]

For the first time in a long time, I agree with something coming out of France:



:wow
It's like how dare you call us terrorist for that we're going to kill 3000 more of your people. huh?

[Vashner]

I think it would be a lot easier if we just all became Islamic.

The Koran is all we need. Let's scrap all our space, science and pornographic internet for a simple life. Put the woman back where she belongs. Out of her Honda accord and business suit and into a nice black burka.

[Spurminator]

You can equate me to those wackos all you want, and most liberals try to do so, but it won't stop me from condeming that sort of violence.

That's all well and good here in America, but if you lived in a country ruled by Christian extremists where Christian terrorism was more common, you might be less emboldened to speak out. Or maybe you wouldn't (I'd like to think I wouldn't either), but even then I'm guessing we'd be in the minority.

[Mr. Peabody]

I think it would be a lot easier if we just all became Islamic.

....

Put the woman back where she belongs. Out of her Honda accord and business suit and into a nice black burka.

I think it is the culture that has retarted the message of the Koran and caused the oppression of women. The Koran itself is fairly progressive when it comes to women, perhaps even more so than the Bible.

[Mr. Peabody]

There would be protest like when Christians protested the Last Temptation of Christ, but no threats of murder like 9/11. Christians will attack the wallet Muslim go str8 for the throat. Of course, I expect most of the libs to justify the terrorist somehow.

There were death threats and bomb threats when The Last Temptation of Christ was in theaters.

I don't know that any religion is exempt from having its own fanatics.

[Vashner]

How can the Koran be more progressive than the bible for women?

Are you on crack right now :)?

Where in the bible does it give you permission to beat your wife?

[Mr. Peabody]

How can the Koran be more progressive than the bible for women?



Well, the Koran allows women to have property rights, enter into contracts and intiate divorce. That's pretty progressive considering the age of the Koran.


Also....

The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com

Women win rights by relying on Koran
By Heather J. Carlson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 18, 2004

Women's rights advocates have won sweeping reforms of marriage and divorce laws in Morocco and Egypt by basing their arguments on an unlikely source -- the Koran.
The latest reforms were in Morocco, where the parliament in February approved landmark changes to a 46-year-old family law by granting women property rights in marriage and the right to divorce.
Supporters of the changes -- including King Mohammed VI -- relied on verses from the Koran to support the reform.
"We showed in Morocco that there is no such thing as a contradiction between Islam and modernity, and there is no contradiction between Islam and equality between men and women," said Aziz Mekouar, Moroccan ambassador to the United States.
The reforms also placed new restrictions on polygamy, requiring a husband seeking a second wife to first demonstrate to a judge that he can provide for the second wife as well as he has the first.
Morocco also raised the minimum age of marriage for women from 15 to 18 -- the same age for men.
In Egypt, female politicians and activist groups relied on Islamic teachings to help pass changes to the country's personal-status laws, making it easier for women to get a divorce.
In the past, Egyptian men could divorce their wives at will, but women had to prove they had been injured or harmed. Women now can get a divorce based on incompatibility.
The key to the legislative victories in both countries was that women's rights advocates based their arguments on the Koran and worked within the existing political system, said Diane Singerman, an associate professor at American University specializing in Middle Eastern politics.
"It represents a learning curve within the women's movement," she said at a recent forum at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "Now the women's movement is poised to do more extensive lobbying."
She added, "These women basically turned Islam into an asset."
In both Morocco and Egypt, as elsewhere in the region, family law is based on Islamic law or Shariah, whereas most other laws have a secular basis.
The Koran clearly spells out that women and men are to be treated equally, said Maysam Al Faruqi, a professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University. But in some cases, she said, the text has been misinterpreted to deny women their rights.
In other instances, she said, laws geared toward protecting Muslim women were added, but they had the unintended side effect of denying women their full rights. Muslim women now see it as their duty to correct these misinterpretations of the Koran.
"In general, Muslim feminists don't operate outside the realm of Islam," she said. "They use that religion to restore their rights."
Ms. Al Faruqi said it is important to understand that most Muslim women do not want blind equality. There is a belief that because a wife is responsible for child rearing, her husband has a greater responsibility to provide financially for the family.
"Because of the fact that women have to carry children and therefore must provide time and effort and attention and care, they make the financial obligation fall on the man instead of the woman," she said. "It equalizes the responsibility."
Despite the gains, Farida Deif, a North Africa and Middle East researcher for Human Rights Watch, cautioned that men and women remain far from equal in both Egypt and Morocco.
For instance, she said, if an Egyptian woman files for divorce based on incompatibility, she must return the dowry paid by her husband and cannot seek alimony. She also has no rights to the couple's home.
"They are perpetually at risk of becoming homeless. There's no sense of shared marital property," she said. "Divorce can be basically tantamount to homelessness in the region."
Throughout North Africa, she said, women accused of adultery or extramarital affairs face harsh laws while husbands accused of killing their wives for committing adultery can have their sentences reduced.
Even when the laws are changed, as in the case of Morocco, that does not mean women will take advantage of them.
"One big problem is public awareness, especially with a lot of older, immigrant women," said Susan Schaefer Davis, a socio-economist and author of "Patience and Power: Women's Lives in a Moroccan Village."
She spoke at a forum sponsored by the Moroccan American Center for Policy earlier this week.
Besides learning about the new laws, Ms. Davis said, women in rural areas must travel to family courts in the provincial capital, which can prove extremely difficult. Once at the court, women then must rely on the judges to apply the new laws appropriately.

[Phenomanul]

I think it would be a lot easier if we just all became Islamic.

The Koran is all we need. Let's scrap all our space, science and pornographic internet for a simple life. Put the woman back where she belongs. Out of her Honda accord and business suit and into a nice black burka.

Ironically many Muslims are addicted to porn... what else can you expect when their heaven and dreams are full of young virgins....

[Mr. Peabody]

Ironically many Muslims are addicted to porn... what else can you expect when their heaven and dreams are full of young virgins....

:lol

[E20]

It says one of the minor rewards are 80,000 servents and 72 wives. :makeout

[Trainwreck2100]

Ironically many Muslims are addicted to porn... what else can you expect when their heaven and dreams are full of young virgins....


Holy Crap I'm islamic and didn't even know it.

[cheguevara]

were't there ppl shooting innocent muslims after 9/11?? in every group, there'll be dumb-asses who overreact. In these case, the dumbasses were photographed.

[SpursWoman]

Hey, I have an idea. How about we just quit insulting each other's religious idols?



Nahh....too easy. :)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Koran itself is fairly progressive when it comes to women, perhaps even more so than the Bible.

Talk about a gigantic reach. The Muslim male can initiate divorce at any point he wishes. He can openly cheat on his wife with no consequences. Conversely, the wife has to jump through about 45,000 legal hoops in a relatively progressive Muslim country to have a chance.

And if she cheats on the man? She's put to death.

Yeah, equal rights for women :lol

[George W Bush]

As I said in Washington last year, Bin Laden says his own role is to tell Muslims, quote, 'what is good for them and what is not.'"

[E20]

Talk about a gigantic reach. The Muslim male can initiate divorce at any point he wishes. He can openly cheat on his wife with no consequences. Conversely, the wife has to jump through about 45,000 legal hoops in a relatively progressive Muslim country to have a chance.

And if she cheats on the man? She's put to death.

Yeah, equal rights for women :lol
In "Islamic" countries, women are not treated according to their God-given rights. But this is not the fault of Islamic ideology but rather the misapplication or sometimes the outright denial of the ideology in these societies. For example, the practice of Mahr is never used or mentioned. Also a site that I was referred to:

Islam also recognizes the rights of women concerning divorce. Women have the same rights as those of men. However, due to the importance placed on the family in Islam, for its protection and maintenance, both men and women must follow certain procedures. For example, after the divorce both a man and a woman must wait a period of three months, called iddah . During this period of time the husband is responsible for the wife's maintenance. This waiting period has two functions: (1) to clarify whether the woman is pregnant or not. If she is pregnant, the husband is responsible for the wife's maintenance until the child is born. Furthermore, if the woman who is divorced has a young child, she can nurse the child for up two years and the father must maintain both the woman and her child. (2) Iddah also function as a cooling-off period during which the relatives and the community will try to help reconcile the couple ( Lemu 1978: 257-258).
Adultery in most relgions is bad, I think all three of the Abrahamic faiths call for the death of the two engaging in the act, but most of the world doesn't go for that instead they've reformed most Islamic nations never have been through any Great Awakenings or Enlightments like Western civilazation has gone through. Rather than faulting the ideology, the people governing the area are at fault for mixing religon and culture together and for being to controlling haters. Here is a funny fact: Three out of Four Women covert to Islam every day. :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't really give a fuck what some website you linked to says :lol

I took a course in Islamic Studies and had to read the Qur'an and the Haddith (basically, Muslim holy law).

It's pretty black and white on the rights of women (basically street cats have more).

[E20]

I don't really give a fuck what some website you linked to says :lol

I took a course in Islamic Studies and had to read the Qur'an and the Haddith (basically, Muslim holy law).

It's pretty black and white on the rights of women (basically street cats have more).
Funny, because the site I got it from stated sources from the Hadith(basically, statements made by the Prophet Muhammad, not law which is Sharia) and Quran to back up their claims regarding women rights, so it's a misinterpation or contradiction. Also, where was your professor from?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

..Also, where was your teacher from?

Saudi Arabian. And for perspective, he spent the first 15 minutes of class the day the US went into Iraq criticizing Bush.

He also gave me a B on my senior thesis for arguing the Islamic religion was inherently violent, then he wrote a book that touched on the same subject :lol Fucker.

[George W Bush]

Look fellas. We need to work together to disagree.
This administration is very serious about this type a strategery.

[Vashner]

This is a somewhat serious subject. This is why Kori make the Troll forum so you can take your off topic shit about Bush to that forum or one of the Bush bashing threads here.

This really is about Muslim reaction to EU cartoons maybe with some Bush mixed in.

Not a platform for a troll to try to derail a good subject.

[IcemanCometh]

this is mostly a topic for you an aggy to fellate each other really

[101A]

I'm not talking about alignment as in taking up arms alongside them in terrorist acts, but if we expect peaceful Muslims and Muslim leaders to actively denounce terrorism it's probably best that we don't insult them. Otherwise, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone if they keep silent on the matter.


WE didn't insult them, Jack...

AN INDIVIDUAL insulted them.

They, and apparently you, cannot separate the two.

Things most Muslims don't believe in (radical or not):

Freedom of Speach
Freedom of Press
Freedom of Religion
Women's Rights

AND, they don't recognize (from their actions and reaction) that those concepts EVEN exist for other people.

[101A]

Here is a funny fact: Three out of Four Women covert to Islam every day. :lol

Then, what, do they convert back again so that they can convert again tomorrow?

[Phenomanul]

AHF is right... Islam is inherently violent.

I thought that this material would shed some light on some Islamic teachings decide for yourselves:


Islam, Muhammad, Quran And The Hadiths

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Is Islam a peaceful religion? What are freedoms like in an Islamic country? How are people of other beliefs treated in these countries?


"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.."
Sura 9:5


"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Sura 9:29


"And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing."
Sura 2:244


"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement."
Sura 5:33


"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish."
Sura 47:4

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The Quran teaches men can have up to four wives.


"And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course."
Sura 4:3

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The Quran teaches it is ok to beat your wife.


"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
Sura 4:34

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The Quran teaches it is ok with Allah if you lie.


"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."
Sura 66:2

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Allah could have saved us, but He had to fill hell.


"And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance, but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together."
Sura 32:13


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Hadith: A oral tradition later written down of what the prophet supposedly said (sunna), did, or approved of---something said or done in his presence.


Some Hadith's that tell of Muhammad's life, they are considered second only to the Quran in authority.

"[Muhammad] Raided commercial Meccan caravans."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 212.)


"Muhammad had a follower lie to Khalid in order to kill him. He then murdered him in the presence of his wife."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 273.)


"Muhammad had two slave women murdered for singing a song that mocked him."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 410.)


"Muhammad attacked the last Jewish tribe of Medina. All the men were put to death and the women and children were sold into slavery."
(Andrae, Muhammad: The Man and His Faith, p. 155-56.)


"The servant was called in and Ali immediately seized her and struck her painfully and repeatedly as he commanded her to tell the truth to the Prophet [Muhammad] of God."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 336.)


"The Prophet ordered the execution of Uqbah Ibn Abu Muayt. When Uqbah pleaded, 'Who will take care of my children, O Muhammad?' Muhammad answered, 'The fire.'"
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 234; cf. 236, 237, 243.)


When it was believed that one woman, Abu' Afk, had insulted Muhammad (by a poem), one of Muhammad's followers, "attacked her during the night while she was surrounded by her children, one of whom she was nursing...After removing the child from his victim, he killed her."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 243.)


Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me."
(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)


Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."
(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)


"It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he has made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land."
(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)


"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)


"An infidel spy came to the Prophet while he was on a journey. The spy sat with the companions of the Prophet and started talking and then went away. The Prophet said (to his companions), "Chase and kill him." So, I killed him. The Prophet then gave him the belongings of the killed spy."
(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)


"Some people from the tribe of Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milk) camels of charity and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die."
(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)


"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)."
(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)


The above tradition, like many others, is also repeated in other collections of prophet Muhammad's sayings. In the second most authoritative hadith collection, The Sahih of Muslim, the chapter that discusses this particular saying is entitled, "Permissibility of killing women and children in the night raids, provided it is not deliberate." The author then goes on to write, "It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them"

We will end this discussion with two more traditions from another collection, Sunan Abu Dawud. Under a chapter entitled, "Excellence of killing an infidel" we read the following saying. "Abu Harairah reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: An infidel and the one who killed him will never be brought together in Hell." The Muslim translator of this work adds the following footnote to this tradition, "This means that a person who kills an infidel while fighting in Allah's path (i.e. jihad) will have his sins remitted and forgiven, and will, therefore, go to Paradise. The infidel will inevitably go to Hell. Thus the man who killed an infidel will not be brought together in Hell with him."

Another chapter in this collection is entitled, "Punishment of a man who abuses the Prophet (may peace be upon him)." The author recounts the story of a Muslim man who killed his slave and concubine by whom he had two children. Since she "disparaged" the Prophet, the slave owner, "took the dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till [he] killed her." Upon hearing the reason for this murder, the prophet said, "Oh, be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood." The next incident in the above chapter is reported by Ali. "A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (may peace be upon him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood. Once again, the translator provides us with the following explanatory notes: "It is unanimously agreed that if a Muslim abuses or insults the Prophet (may peace be upon him) he should be killed. even if a Jew or any non-Muslim abuses the Prophet (may peace be upon him) he will be killed. The punishment for abusing or opposing the Prophet (may peace be upon him) was death.".......

Ideas have consequences. It has also become very clear for our world once again that violent ideas have violent consequences. We are not engaging in old Christian-Muslim polemics when we point out the prevalence of violence throughout the foundations and thus subsequent history of Islam. We are only exposing the teachings in the most original and authoritative sources of Islam. We believe that it is essential for people of goodwill around the world to know that underneath all the political, social, and cultural causes for the rise of violence among Muslims, there is a religious foundation for violence deeply embedded within the very worldview of Islam. The world needs to take the challenge of Islam more seriously than at any other time in the past.

(Geisler, N. L., & Saleeb, A. 2002. Answering Islam : The crescent in light of the cross (2nd ed.) . Baker Books: Grand Rapids, Mich.)

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Muhammad thought that he was possessed by a devil when he allegedly received his call as a prophet of Allah.

"Stricken with panic, Muhammad arose and asked himself, 'What did I see? Did possession of the devil which I feared all along come to pass?' Muhammad looked to his right and his left but saw nothing. For a while he stood there trembling with fear and stricken with awe. He feared the cave might be haunted and that he might run away still unable to explain what he saw."

(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 74.)


Muhammad's wife, Khadijah comforted him when Muhammad feared demon possession, "As she did on earlier occasions when Muhammad feared possession by the devil, so now stood firm by her husband and devoid of the slightest doubt."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 75.)


Maybe Muhammad was right, In fact I do believe him on this point, Muhammad was possessed by Jinn (demons). Muslims should consider this and be sure that Muhammad was not right at first in thinking that he was possessed by jinn.

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Muhammad prayed to the dead.

"The Muslims who overheard him [Muhammad] asked, 'Are you calling the dead?' And the Prophet answered, 'They hear me no less than you do, except that they are unable to answer me."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 231.)


On another occasion Muhammad was found, "Praying for the dead buried in that cemetery."
(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 495.)

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Muhammad Married Aisha bint Abu Bakr Who Was 9 Years Old

Muhammad married Aisha bint Abu Bakr when she was 9 years old. How can a prophet of God marry a nine year old little girl and have over 10 wives? Is this the type of behavior for a prophet of the Holy and Righteous God?

Be honest with yourself my friend, Muhammad could not have been a true prophet of God. Compare Muhammad's life with the life of Jesus and you will see who was speaking for God while they lived here on earth.


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Compare Jesus To Muhammad Using The Quran Itself

Jesus did miracles (Sura 3:49, 5:110), but Mohammad did not (Sura 13:8 "thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only"; also 6:37; 6:109, 17:59 and 17:90-93); Jesus was sinless (Sura 3:46), but Mohammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Sura 40:55: "ask forgiveness of thy sin"; 42:5: "ask forgiveness for those on Earth"; 47:19 "ask forgiveness for thy sin"; 48:2 "that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin"). Jesus was called "the Messiah" and was even born of a virgin (3:45-57)!

How could Muhammad be the greatest of the prophets? If you would just follow the Quran as a Muslim, you would have to view Jesus as greater than Muhammad.


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DO MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS WORSHIP THE SAME GOD?


Islam teaches:


1) God is virtually unknowable.

2) God will send people to Hell or Paradise as he chooses. (Sura 32:13)

3) Jesus was not the Son of God. (Sura 19:35, 112:3)

4) Deny that Jesus is God in the flesh. (Sura 4:116)

5) Deny that Jesus died on the cross. (Sura 4:157-58)

6) Deny that Jesus rose again. (Sura 4:157-58)

7) Deny that Jesus is the final, conclusive revelation of God.

8) Deny that Jesus is the way to God.

9) God requires total obedience to Islam.

10) It is the unforgivable sin of "Shirk" to say that Jesus is God. (Sura 4:116)

11) God required the works of Muhammad to complete his words of judgement to man.

12) The Bible is corrupt and cannot be trusted.

13) Deny the death of Jesus on the cross as payment for our sins, rather Islam teaches that salvation is based upon good works. (Sura 4:157-58)


Compare this to The Jesus of the Bible, as you know it is impossible for two things to be true if they both contradict each other (The Law of non-contradiction). Therefore, Christianity and Islam cannot both be true, either they both are wrong or one of them is true, but it is impossible for both to be true. Examine the evidence and decide for yourself.

[Murphy]

remember guys, Islam is a religion of peace. HAHHHHHHHHHHaaa, or did they mean pieces, or maybe they ment peace as in terms of a gun, you know? like Piece??

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I just looked, my Islam prof is writing a book about living in a world with the 'infidels'. WTF? :lol

[A-Train]

The Danes haven't gotten this kind of global attention since Hamlet. It is rather amusing that violent protests are breaking out due to a caricature of Islam as a religion based in part on a violent prophet. It's also amusing to what levels the politically correct apologists for Islamic violence will stoop to in order to avoid calling a spade a spade.

[Spurminator]

What's also amazing is how people will create an opposing point of view out of thin air.

Who is an apolologist for Islamic violence?

You act like there's some kind of virtue in proclaiming that Islam is a religion of violence. What are you trying to achieve?

[Phenomanul]

What's also amazing is how people will create an opposing point of view out of thin air.

Who is an apolologist for Islamic violence?

You act like there's some kind of virtue in proclaiming that Islam is a religion of violence. What are you trying to achieve?


In my case, I wouldn't necesarily glorify the fact that we can point at Islam and say, "Geesh your doctrines are rather crass, and violent."

I would instead point to the fact that those who think that "peaceful" muslims can pose no threat whatsover would be erring. Why? Because even if one or two generations adopted a more secluded and personal philosophy (modern co-existing views)... a subsequent generation is bound to see that their holy book supports the murder of those that do not think as 'they' do.

Is not what is happening in Europe a sign of what can happen here if enough muslims eventually settle in the states.... "Amisdst the belly of the Beast".

It's a complicated problem with no practical or 'politically correct' solution.

[ChumpDumper]

You act like there's some kind of virtue in proclaiming that Islam is a religion of violence. What are you trying to achieve?Surely he is just trying to endear himself with our friends running Afghanistan and Iraq.

Given all that, why does everyone think true, lasting democracies are possible in the ME?

[Spurminator]

I'm just glad Freedom of Speech got a chance to flex it's muscles. I mean, having it written in The Law isn't enough... Sometimes you have to remind people that you have Freedom of Speech by giving them a good "Fuck you motherfucker."

That's what I like to do. I like to walk up to random old people and tell them to go fuck their Nazi mothers. I like to tell black people to go pick my cotton. I like to walk into churches yelling "Jesus was a child molesting faggot!!" Cause I gots me some Free Speech dagnammit! And if you got it, flaunt it! Fuck the consequences!

Now if the Constitution would only allow me to take a dump in a public place when I feel like making a statement, I'll be livin'!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You act like there's some kind of virtue in proclaiming that Islam is a religion of violence.

Virtue? More like fact. The religion of Islam has been around for 1500 years. It's been warring for 1500 years. The only time they stop fighting with one another is to fight with the 'infidels'.

Really, it's only going to get worse. Like I've said repeatedly on this site the last couple of years - the sad thing is it's going to take a nuke or two on American soil killing hundreds of thousands or millions for folks on the left to get the clue.

This isn't like Vietnam where you can just pull out and the problem will go away.

[Spurminator]

The virtue and the fact are completely separate.

The fact is that a lot of gay men take it up the ass. But I question whether there is virtue in printing a satirical cartoon in a newspaper portraying a gay man with a dick up his ass.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What is anyone trying to accomplish with any comics in the newspaper? Get people to talk, get people to write in.

Mission accomplished. The question is what are are all the idiots firebombing embassies trying to accomplish?

If they are protesting the cartoon depiction of Islam being a violent religion, they aren't exactly doing anything to break down that stereotype, know what I mean?

[Spurminator]

What is anyone trying to accomplish with any comics in the newspaper? Get people to talk, get people to write in.

Mission accomplished.

I'll say. But was it worth it?


The question is what are are all the idiots firebombing embassies trying to accomplish?

If they are protesting the cartoon depiction of Islam being a violent religion, they aren't exactly doing anything to break down that stereotype, know what I mean?

The nutjobs don't care about the stereotype, they're protesting the fact that an image of Muhammed was published. I certainly feel no pity for them or the image they've given themselves, but I do pity the Muslims (however common or rare they may be) who do not support these sentiments but are still affected by the stereotype.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

They aren't protesting Mohammed being published. They're protesting how he was portrayed.

Personally I think it's BS. They call us Great Satan, infidels, Allies of the Zionists, etc. and expect us to sit there and take it.

But the moment anyone characterizes Mohammed as anything other than the end all be all of the world's religions, they go killing people and burning down buildings.

Hypocritical to say the least.

To me it's just more proof that there is no place for Islam in the modern world. It's going to come down to the entire world reverting back to the 7th century and living under a worldwide empire of Islam, or it's going to be the modern world wiping that way of thinking and those who think it off the face of the earth.

Personally, I like the internet. I like indoor plumbing. I like living. I'll be rooting for the rest of the world on this one.

[George W Bush]

They hate freedom.

[Spurminator]

They aren't protesting Mohammed being published. They're protesting how he was portrayed.

Islam prohibits the image or portrayal of Mohammed being used anywhere because it may lead to idolatry. I'm sure the portrayal helped fuel the fire, but even a drawing of his face would have offended many and likely led to protests.


Personally I think it's BS. They call us Great Satan, infidels, Allies of the Zionists, etc. and expect us to sit there and take it.

But the moment anyone characterizes Mohammed as anything other than the end all be all of the world's religions, they go killing people and burning down buildings.

Hypocritical to say the least.

To me it's just more proof that there is no place for Islam in the modern world. It's going to come down to the entire world reverting back to the 7th century and living under a worldwide empire of Islam, or it's going to be the modern world wiping that way of thinking and those who think it off the face of the earth.

Personally, I like the internet. I like indoor plumbing. I like living. I'll be rooting for the rest of the world on this one.

Fantastic.

There is a place for Islam in the modern world. There's a place for it in Mosques and in homes. There's a place for it in families who choose to make it a part of their personal belief system and lifestyle.

What there is no place for is terrorism, and the kind of violence we've seen at some of these rallies/riots. You wipe away those people. You don't wipe away everyone who prays to the East. Otherwise Freedom of Religion becomes as meaningless to us as Freedom of Speech is to them.

[A-Train]

There isn't a place for militant Islam in this world. If that offends, sobeit, internet kings and queens.

[Spurminator]

There isn't a place for militant Islam in this world.

That's an important qualifier.

Mohammed is a symbol for all Islam, however. This is similar to protesting Pro Life extremists with a cartoon of Jesus Christ fucking a teenage girl with a gun to her head.

[A-Train]

Why is it that in our times the vast majority of Christians don't feel compelled to resort to suicidal attacks whenever their faith is disparaged? The worst we get are some boycotts or efforts within the democratic process to make their voice heard.

[Spurminator]

Because Islamic extremists are typically crazier and probably more numerous than Christian extremists... That has nothing to do with moderate Christians and Muslims.

Anyway the "vast majority" of Muslims don't resort to suicide attacks either. If they did, you guys might get your wish for the total worldwide extermination of Islam.

[A-Train]

The vast majority sing the chorus. There's no place for it in 2006, yet half of the world is still stuck for all intents and purposes in the 19th century.

[Spurminator]

Nah, the vast majority don't say anything. We just assume that they're singing the chorus because (a) we don't talk to them and (b) we don't see many news releases on Muslim clerics condemning extremist actions.

Which goes back to my original point of why we should expect them to actively denounce that extremism when we continue to equate them with the extremists.

[A-Train]

Take a look at the opinion of the US and other Western democracies among the general public in states in which Islam is the dominant faith.

[Spurminator]

What does their opinion of the US and democracy have to do with anything?

Are you suggesting that those who dislike the US and Democracy are automatically terrorist sympathizers?

[A-Train]

It has plenty to do with the underlying support for your claim.

Are you suggesting that the US has a generally positive view in those nations? This is what the "chorus" refers to. Sure, the majority of Muslims are not terrorists. But if they are in agreement with the terrorists' aims and agnostic about the methods...then you have a chorus.

I'd like to teach the world to sing too, but a large part seems capable of only singing one tune.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurm,

The problem is that those who are civilized who practice Islam have let the radicals hijack their religion.

I agree there is no place for terrorism. The problem is, I don't see any other solution. Osama and his buddies sit around a camp fire every night jerking off thinking about the Muslim Conquests.

That's what they want to happen. They're doing anything and everything they can to egg us on to bring about another worldwide holy war.

Hence the reason for my skepticism about a peaceful outcome. The really shitty thing is it's going to be your children, my children, and their children that bear the brunt of the fury of radical Islam, and the ones who fight that fight.

[Phenomanul]

Spurm,

The problem is that those who are civilized who practice Islam have let the radicals hijack their religion.

I agree there is no place for terrorism. The problem is, I don't see any other solution. Osama and his buddies sit around a camp fire every night jerking off thinking about the Muslim Conquests.

That's what they want to happen. They're doing anything and everything they can to egg us on to bring about another worldwide holy war.

Hence the reason for my skepticism about a peaceful outcome. The really shitty thing is it's going to be your children, my children, and their children that bear the brunt of the fury of radical Islam, and the ones who fight that fight.

There will be no peace in the middle east the Bible is clear on that. Which is why I know a peaceful solution can not be attained.

Beware when there are rumors of peace in the ME, because that will signal the time of the Anti-Christ.

Don't say you weren't warned.

[smeagol]

because that will signal the time of the Anti-Christ.
I thought the Anti-Christ was already here and is called The Pope :lol

(just kidding, I could not help it)

[George W Bush]

I thought the Anti-Christ was already here

You rang?

[smeagol]

You rang?
:lmao :lmao :lmao