Dallas 1st in SW?

[dmac]

I'm looking at nba.com in the standings and they have the conference seedings by the team name. They have Dallas 1st and us 4th. How does that work? We are both 37-10 and we have split the season series so far 1-1.

This smacks of fraud and conspiracy.





:fro

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm looking at nba.com in the standings and they have the conference seedings by the team name. They have Dallas 1st and us 4th. How does that work? We are both 37-10 and we have split the season series so far 1-1.

This smacks of fraud and conspiracy.

The second tiebreaker is conference record. For now, the Spurs hold that tiebreaker, but I suspect that the NBA.com software looks to conference wins to determine where to place teams and Dallas has, for the moment, won more games against the West than the Spurs have (they've also lost more games, which leads me to conclude that Dallas has 5 games against the East to make up, which may be to their benefit -- though, in late March they have a 4 game trip East that includes a back-to-back at Detroit and Cleveland).

Suffice to say that the Spurs hold the tiebreaker for now.

[Rummpd]

It is a mistake the Spurs have a superior interconference standing.

No worries, Mavs will do their usual el foldo down the stretch.

[dmac]

It is a mistake the Spurs have a superior interconference standing.

No worries, Mavs will do their usual el foldo down the stretch.
I'm not worried. We get them 2 more times and we'll beat them 2 more times!

[mavsfan1000]

I am feeling a split in San Antonio. Dallas is the second best road team in the league.

[George Gervin's Afro]

who cares? besides mav fans

[Big Pimp_21]

The Mavs may be a legit contender this year. It took a little general from the Spurs to finally get them there, but they may be a force this time around.

[velik_m]

I am feeling a split in San Antonio. Dallas is the second best road team in the league.

i bet you're also feeling a mavs title, and we know that is not happening... :lol

[mavsfan1000]

who cares? besides mav fans
You should care. The memphis grizzlies are the best defensive team. I would try to avoid this matchup due to success of great defensive teams in the playoffs. I believe Houston was also a great defensive team and gave Dallas hard times. Also Gasol is a beast.

[Jimcs50]

Ity is alphabetical order....do not panic.


:)

[Slo spurs fan]

Dallas 1st in SW?

Poor Spurs Woman. :)

[velik_m]

You should care. The memphis grizzlies are the best defensive team. I would try to avoid this matchup due to success of great defensive teams in the playoffs. I believe Houston was also a great defensive team and gave Dallas hard times. Also Gasol is a beast.

wouldn't it be funny if mavs got the top seed in the west, only to get kicked out of playoffs by kobe's lakers in 8th seed?

[Rummpd]

"You should care. The memphis grizzlies are the best defensive team. I would try to avoid this matchup due to success of great defensive teams in the playoffs. I believe Houston was also a great defensive team and gave Dallas hard times. Also Gasol is a beast."

Educational point: THERE ARE ONLY TWO GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE PERIOD (Detroit and the Spurs). Mavs, Grizz, Suns Rockets etc. improved but all PRETENDERS.

That is why excepting a Spurs melt-down Dirk and company will be deep sea fishing again early this year. Sorry Mavs fans = you are in the same division but 2nd round (at best) elimination is your destiny again.

[travis2]

Dallas 1st in SW?

Poor Spurs Woman. :)

:lmao

[SpursWoman]

Dallas 1st in SW?

Poor Spurs Woman. :)



My name is Christy ... not Debbie. :lol

[travis2]

My name is Christy ... not Debbie. :lol

Is that a joke? I don't get it...:angel

[Slo spurs fan]

I don't get it, too.

[Phenomanul]

My name is Christy ... not Debbie. :lol


I'm now wiping pepsi off of my monitor.... :lol

[nkdlunch]

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000051WBE.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Slo spurs fan]

:lol
Thanks nkdlunch!

[Willinsa]

Well the Mavs suck and they will not win a championship this year.

[mavsfan1000]

Well the Mavs suck and they will not win a championship this year.
keep telling yourself that while the mavs prove what they are made of this year. :lol

[Duncanfan]

god I do hope the OVERCONFIDENCE of people from this forum don't come to bite this team in the butt come winning time. Seriously, I would rather keep quiet and stop insulting the Mavs because this isn't the old Don Nelson system we're looking at here.
It would be best to just support our team and hope for the best and see how this Mavs fair during the playoffs for now. If they still fail despite the change in system, then there's a serious reason to go ahead and resume talks of how good they are during the reg. season and how much they falter during the playoffs.. but until that happens, best to shut up and see what happens first.

[Solid D]

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playoff_picture.html

TIEBREAKER BASIS:

(1) Head-to-head
(2) Conference
(3) Division
(4) vs. Playoff teams, own conference
(5) vs. Playoff teams, other conference
(6) Net Points, all games

WESTERN CONFERENCE

NORTHWEST W L PCT GB Conf Div Home Road L 10 Streak
Denver 3 26 23 0.531 0.000 14-15 5-3 16-9 10-14 6-4 Won 1
Utah 23 25 0.479 2.500 11-15 4-4 12-12 11-13 4-6 Lost 1
Minnesota 21 25 0.457 3.500 13-17 5-4 14-8 7-17 3-7 Lost 3
Seattle 19 28 0.404 6.000 8-18 5-3 11-13 8-15 4-6 Lost 2
Portland 17 29 0.370 7.500 7-20 3-8 12-13 5-16 5-5 Lost 1
PACIFIC W L PCT GB Conf Div Home Road L 10 Streak
Phoenix 2 31 16 0.660 0.000 15-11 6-3 17-7 14-9 7-3 Won 3
L.A. Clippers 5 28 17 0.622 2.000 14-9 5-4 16-7 12-10 8-2 Won 3
L.A. Lakers 8 24 23 0.511 7.000 10-15 3-4 12-8 12-15 4-6 Lost 3
Golden State 21 25 0.457 9.500 10-16 1-8 13-13 8-12 4-6 Won 1
Sacramento 20 27 0.426 11.000 13-14 5-1 14-11 6-16 4-6 Won 1
SOUTHWEST W L PCT GB Conf Div Home Road L 10 Streak
Dallas 1 37 10 0.787 0.000 23-7 8-2 18-4 19-6 10-0 Won 11
San Antonio 4 37 10 0.787 0.000 21-4 6-2 21-3 16-7 9-1 Won 6
Memphis 6 26 20 0.565 10.500 18-10 5-6 15-8 11-12 3-7 Lost 2
NO/Oklahoma City 7 24 22 0.522 12.500 15-12 6-6 15-8 9-14 7-3 Won 4

[mavsfan1000]

Imagine what Dallas's record would be if Christie wasn't such a bust. This team wouldn't have had such a slow start at least compared to what they could've been. Adrian Griffin is the player Dallas thought they had in Christie and is proving to be Dallas's best one on one defender. He held Rashard Lewis to 1-11 shooting last game. Their record might've been similar to the pistons.

[pache100]

That's ok. Let Avery have his moment in the sun. His rain's comin' soon 'nuff.

[leemajors]

that's good news for us if adrian griffin is the mavs best 1v1 defender. i for one thought it would have been josh howard.

[leemajors]

Imagine what Dallas's record would be if Christie wasn't such a bust. This team wouldn't have had such a slow start at least compared to what they could've been. Adrian Griffin is the player Dallas thought they had in Christie and is proving to be Dallas's best one on one defender. He held Rashard Lewis to 1-11 shooting last game. Their record might've been similar to the pistons.

yeah dallas could totally have a better record than detroit if they had adrian griffin all year instead of christie. shit we could have been looking at 47-0!

[SpursWoman]

:lol


Yeah, imagine what the Spurs record could be if Manu's ankle wouldn't have been injured and Duncan wasn't having foot issues? Holy Crap!

Duh. :shootme :lol

[mavsfan1000]

that's good news for us if adrian griffin is the mavs best 1v1 defender. i for one thought it would have been josh howard.
How is that good for you? It relieves Josh Howard of having to guard the other teams best player and he can focus more on scoring which he is quite good at.

[mavsfan1000]

yeah dallas could totally have a better record than detroit if they had adrian griffin all year instead of christie. shit we could have been looking at 47-0!
Well they are 20-2 with Griffin in the starting lineup I believe. You're not that far off. :lol

[Sense]

Well they are 20-2 with Griffin in the starting lineup I believe. You're not that far off. :lol

Talk about a homer.

[Willinsa]

keep telling yourself that while the mavs prove what they are made of this year. :lol

Well you have never been to the finals right? nuff said. Don't talk smack when you are the only Texas team never to win a championship.

[SenorSpur]

Well you have never been to the finals right? nuff said. Don't talk smack when you are the only Texas team never to win a championship.

.......and won't get there as long as Duncan is a Spur

[mavsfan1000]

god I do hope the OVERCONFIDENCE of people from this forum don't come to bite this team in the butt come winning time. Seriously, I would rather keep quiet and stop insulting the Mavs because this isn't the old Don Nelson system we're looking at here.
It would be best to just support our team and hope for the best and see how this Mavs fair during the playoffs for now. If they still fail despite the change in system, then there's a serious reason to go ahead and resume talks of how good they are during the reg. season and how much they falter during the playoffs.. but until that happens, best to shut up and see what happens first.
A spurs fan who knows his shit. When the mavs beat the spurs than will people give them the respect? It's going to happen.

[leemajors]

yeah dude, adrian griffin for DPOY!!

[mavsfan1000]

yeah dude, adrian griffin for DPOY!!
Watch the games and you would learn what a defensive force he is. Rashard Lewis went 1-11 the other night and he was the reason. He is very similar to Ron Artest on the defensive end. He also doesn't demand the ball and isn't psychotic like Artest is either. He's not Bruce Bowen but he is very good.

[SenorSpur]

god I do hope the OVERCONFIDENCE of people from this forum don't come to bite this team in the butt come winning time. Seriously, I would rather keep quiet and stop insulting the Mavs because this isn't the old Don Nelson system we're looking at here.
It would be best to just support our team and hope for the best and see how this Mavs fair during the playoffs for now. If they still fail despite the change in system, then there's a serious reason to go ahead and resume talks of how good they are during the reg. season and how much they falter during the playoffs.. but until that happens, best to shut up and see what happens first.

Any reasonable basketball knows how good the Mavs are. In fact, there are a lot of us that don't buy into all the negative TNT commentary about the Mavs.

In fact, I'm on record (in this forum no less) of stating how this Mavs team plays DEFENSE first, focuses on rebounding and pressures the ball in ways they have not in the past. All a tribute to Avery Johnson.

We heard all the bull from Mavs fans about how "we don't give the Mavs any respect", how "it's the Mavs time to win the West" and "how the Spurs are going down this year".

That said, if you think we're going to allow outsiders to come in here and talk smack about our boys and not talk some smack back in return - THINK AGAIN. This is the SpursTalk forum. We're the DEFENDING NBA CHAMPIONS. There's no reason for us to sit still and not talk a lil' shit. As fans, we've earned that right. Three titles in seven years gives us that right. If Spurs fans can't do that, we may as well shut this forum down.

What the Mavs are doing this year is indeed impressive and they are to be respected and taken very seriously. Don't think the Spurs and Pop are taking them lightly. However it's the REGULAR SEASON. Real men "step up" in the playoffs. In fact, it will be a "delicious matchup" if and when we draw them in the second round of the playoffs.

The Mavs and their fans know they MUST get over the 800 lb gorilla that is the Spurs, in order consider themselves contenders instead of pretenders.

Finally, if by some miracle, the Mavs do somehow upset us in the playoffs (aint happenin'), then we will all have to eat a "cold plate of crow".

In the meantime, we'll keep talking smack. Besides, the smack talk makes the forum fun!

[mavsfan1000]

Why is it so hard to believe that the mavs can beat the spurs? Just take a look of the mavericks record since they got rid of Christie. It has been all positives since. The mavs even had some injury problems. You saying it would be a "miracle" to beat the spurs. The last 35 games of the regular season will decide if the mavs are for real and take the number one spot. If they do that than there is a very good chance they beat the spurs.

[JamStone]

There's no reason for us to sit still and not talk a lil' shit. As fans, we've earned that right. Three titles in seven years gives us that right. If Spurs fans can't do that, we may as well shut this forum down.


Sure, this is a Spurs forum. And, Spurs fans absolutely should talk a little smack. Their team IS the defending champs. And, the Spurs certainly should be considered one of the favorites to win it all again this year.

As for being a "fan" and "earning" the right to talk smack ... I'm not so sure any fan of any team has "earned" the right to do anything. Fans don't play games. Fans don't make personnel decisions. Fans don't coach. Fans don't do shit but cheer on their team. Fans have the right to cheer on their team and enjoy when they win. Fans don't "earn" the right to do anything else.

Any fan of any team can talk a lil shit. I don't know how fans of a championship team "earn" the right to talk smack more than a fan of another team though. What did you as a fan do to "earn" that right? Buy tickets? Purchase a jersey? Then go buy an album by grammy award winning Mariah Carey, and you'll have "earned" the right to talk shit to Britney Spears fans.

What the hell is this whole notion of "fans earning" the right to talk shit? That sounds so silly to me. You have earned the right to sound silly.

[Solid D]

JamStone you make too much sense. However, go to any arena where fans pay their money to cheer and just watch the smack begin.

The worst fans to me though, are the ignorantly arrogant ones. Example: After setting a modern era defensive record for lowest Opp. FG% (.402) during the season, losing only twice the entire playoffs, and after winning an NBA championship, Sean Elliott is leaving Madison Square Garden and a fan yells out to Sean, "you still ain't s***!"

[JamStone]

Solid D,

I know what you're saying. I just thought what SenorSpur wrote sounded really funny. Note, I didn't say Spurs fans should not talk shit. By all means, they should. I just can't get over a fan thinking they've "EARNED" it more so than any other fan of another team, just because their team has won championships. I'm still kind of laughing at that whole notion of earning the right to talk shit.

[Brutalis]

it said cowboy was the last to reply WTF!!

[Brutalis]

Lmao 6 posts skipped. Hmmmmm only click Reply once please!

[ChumpDumper]

Those six posts can be summed up in one word and I think we all know what that word is.

[SenorSpur]

Sure, this is a Spurs forum. And, Spurs fans absolutely should talk a little smack. Their team IS the defending champs. And, the Spurs certainly should be considered one of the favorites to win it all again this year.

As for being a "fan" and "earning" the right to talk smack ... I'm not so sure any fan of any team has "earned" the right to do anything. Fans don't play games. Fans don't make personnel decisions. Fans don't coach. Fans don't do shit but cheer on their team. Fans have the right to cheer on their team and enjoy when they win. Fans don't "earn" the right to do anything else.

Any fan of any team can talk a lil shit. I don't know how fans of a championship team "earn" the right to talk smack more than a fan of another team though. What did you as a fan do to "earn" that right? Buy tickets? Purchase a jersey? Then go buy an album by grammy award winning Mariah Carey, and you'll have "earned" the right to talk shit to Britney Spears fans.

What the hell is this whole notion of "fans earning" the right to talk shit? That sounds so silly to me. You have earned the right to sound silly.

Since I wasn't talkin' to you, you've earned the right to Kiss my ass!

[TDMVPDPOY]

what i understand the mavs are goin to choke in the playoffs

[mavsfan1000]

what i understand the mavs are goin to choke in the playoffs
Another poster who thinks they can predict the future. Just wait and see what happens. :lol

[Darrin]

I'm looking at nba.com in the standings and they have the conference seedings by the team name. They have Dallas 1st and us 4th. How does that work? We are both 37-10 and we have split the season series so far 1-1.

This smacks of fraud and conspiracy.





:fro

Chill for a moment. The tiebreakers haven't been entered yet and what comes first in the alphabet:

D

or

S?

[Darrin]

Well you have never been to the finals right? nuff said. Don't talk smack when you are the only Texas team never to win a championship.


Wow. How did you settle arguments with the Mavericks in 1988?

[dmac]

Chill for a moment. The tiebreakers haven't been entered yet and what comes first in the alphabet:

D

or

S?
I'm cool.

[101A]

Wow. How did you settle arguments with the Mavericks in 1988?

There were no Maverick fans in 1988.

[101A]

Just a note:

Mavericks have kind of scheduling anomaly. Pretty much a cake walk through mid-March.

THEN:

14 of their last 22 on the road including:

@ SA, Detroit, Cleveland, Phoenix, Clips and Houston

The Spurs "cakewalk" pretty much coincides with Dallas's toughest stretch. The smack is gonna get pretty loud from up North before it settles down.

[FromWayDowntown]

There were no Maverick fans in 1988.

Sure there were; the Mavs were very good in the late 80's, taking the Lakers to Game 7 of the WCF in '88. But the vast majority of those people stopped being Mavericks fans by about 1992. The new breed of Mavericks fan largely could not tell you who played for "their" team in the mid-90's when the Mavericks were losing at nearly record-setting paces.

But, of course, there are Spurs fans in this forum who know nothing of a Spurs team that hadn't won a title and wasn't a title contender every year.

For now, the Dallas Mavericks are in first place and rightly so. They are on a spectacular roll. They are defending well and they continue to be able to score the ball when necessary. They are a formidable team that presents a number of significant issues for the Spurs to deal with. For anyone who thinks otherwise, I'd be interested to know just how it is (with a real breakdown of matchups and styles; more than "we've won in the past and they haven't" -- the lack of Finals experience and such things didn't deter the 1999 Spurs did it?) that the Spurs will just roll the Mavericks.

The March 2 matchup will be a very interesting one to watch. The Spurs can basically clinch the tiebreaker if they beat the Mavs that night and, barring something terrible happening between now and then, it should allow us to see for the first time what the Mavs and Spurs bring against each other when at full strength -- no back-to-backs and no missing starters.

p.s.-- as an aside, after years of listening to Mavericks fans complain about how "boring" the Spurs games are, it's funny that they don't make that complaint about their own team, which is {ahem} playing like the Spurs.

[mavsfan1000]

The mavs don't play a boring style like the spurs do. Their offense is very exciting with athletes like Josh Howard and Devin Harris. The spurs are better defensively but not by much.

[101A]

Sure there were; the Mavs were very good in the late 80's, taking the Lakers to Game 7 of the WCF in '88. But the vast majority of those people stopped being Mavericks fans by about 1992. The new breed of Mavericks fan largely could not tell you who played for "their" team in the mid-90's when the Mavericks were losing at nearly record-setting paces.

But, of course, there are Spurs fans in this forum who know nothing of a Spurs team that hadn't won a title and wasn't a title contender every year.

For now, the Dallas Mavericks are in first place and rightly so. They are on a spectacular roll. They are defending well and they continue to be able to score the ball when necessary. They are a formidable team that presents a number of significant issues for the Spurs to deal with. For anyone who thinks otherwise, I'd be interested to know just how it is (with a real breakdown of matchups and styles; more than "we've won in the past and they haven't" -- the lack of Finals experience and such things didn't deter the 1999 Spurs did it?) that the Spurs will just roll the Mavericks.

The March 2 matchup will be a very interesting one to watch. The Spurs can basically clinch the tiebreaker if they beat the Mavs that night and, barring something terrible happening between now and then, it should allow us to see for the first time what the Mavs and Spurs bring against each other when at full strength -- no back-to-backs and no missing starters.

p.s.-- as an aside, after years of listening to Mavericks fans complain about how "boring" the Spurs games are, it's funny that they don't make that complaint about their own team, which is {ahem} playing like the Spurs.


My bad; saw "1988", thought "1998" - because that's what I think Detroit fan was referring to; ie: Prior to Spurs winning a championship.

[Solid D]

Chill for a moment. The tiebreakers haven't been entered yet and what comes first in the alphabet:

D

or

S?

That wasn't the reason Dallas was listed 1st. Dallas was actually assigned the (1) playoff seed in the standings and the Spurs (4) seed because Dallas had a better in-conference record. Tie-breakers are factored into the daily standings, as if the playoffs were to begin today.

[101A]

For anyone who thinks otherwise, I'd be interested to know just how it is (with a real breakdown of matchups and styles; more than "we've won in the past and they haven't" -- the lack of Finals experience and such things didn't deter the 1999 Spurs did it?) that the Spurs will just roll the Mavericks.



Tony & Tim cannot be contained by their respective defenders, and the Mavericks rotations and "funneling" ability is not nearly as polished as the Spur's. Tony will wreak havoc, and keep the Mavs on their heals. Tim will STILL command at least a double team, leaving at least 1 bomber open for the kick out at all times.

Pop's experience in a series, specifically coaching defense, will prevail over Avery's, especially since the Spurs still have a considerable statistical advantage in the significant defensive categories (opp. fg%). EVERY Spur starter is a good, if not great, one-on-one defender; Avery has got his team playing a Spur-like system, but w/o the horses it won't ever be as good.

Further, I believe the Spurs are better than the Mavericks RIGHT NOW, despite what the records indicate.

The Spurs and Mavs are tied, but the Spurs have played a championship schedule - every night against a team that would love to hang that "we beat the champs" banner on the wall. The Mavericks are playing the schedule of a team that hasn't won so much as a division banner in 18 years! People are starting to take notice, it might get tougher for them.

Finally, we DO have a slight preview of these two squads - they have played twice, both in Dallas. The first game, Dallas simply played great, the Spurs sucked. The second game was pivotal. Spurs were leading the division, Manu was hurt, Dallas could follow up their statement with another one, and take an early division head-start, show they had arrived!!!! They lost.

[FromWayDowntown]

That wasn't the reason Dallas was listed 1st. Dallas was actually assigned the (1) playoff seed in the standings and the Spurs (4) seed because Dallas had a better in-conference record. Tie-breakers are factored into the daily standings, as if the playoffs were to begin today.

Actually, I think Dallas was given the higher seed because they had more in-conference wins -- the Spurs have the better record against the West because they only have 4 losses against the West, while the Mavs have 7. But, at the end of the season, the number of wins in games against the West will ultimately break the tie, which is why (I think) the nba.com software breaks the tie as it did.

It doesn't matter today -- the Mavs are truly a half-game up for the moment.

[101A]

That wasn't the reason Dallas was listed 1st. Dallas was actually assigned the (1) playoff seed in the standings and the Spurs (4) seed because Dallas had a better in-conference record. Tie-breakers are factored into the daily standings, as if the playoffs were to begin today.


Dallas Conference record: 24-7 (71% - very nice)

Spurs Conference record: 21-4 (81% :hat)

[cheguevara]

The mavs don't play a boring style like the spurs do. Their offense is very exciting with athletes like Josh Howard and Devin Harris. The spurs are better defensively but not by much.

:lmao

Everyone knows Mavs are scared of physical contact. Even Dampier, their center is a big pussy. Spurs are better defensively, not by much?? that's a little understatement. Drinking and posting should be illegal

and yes, maybe the Mavs are more fun to watch..... to 5 year olds. maybe they can tour with the globetrotters someday.

[Solid D]

Actually, I think Dallas was given the higher seed because they had more in-conference wins -- the Spurs have the better record against the West because they only have 4 losses against the West, while the Mavs have 7. But, at the end of the season, the number of wins in games against the West will ultimately break the tie, which is why (I think) the nba.com software breaks the tie as it did.

Ooh, good point. Thanks for the correction ya'll.

[gameFACE]

So far this season there isn't anything too different from the last few years about what both the Spurs and Mavs have done up to this point. The Mavs fate might depend on whether Dirk blows a gasket again.

[mavsfan1000]

:lmao

Everyone knows Mavs are scared of physical contact. Even Dampier, their center is a big pussy. Spurs are better defensively, not by much?? that's a little understatement. Drinking and posting should be illegal

and yes, maybe the Mavs are more fun to watch..... to 5 year olds. maybe they can tour with the globetrotters someday.

Afraid of physical contact? What have you been smoking? This is not 2002 and this team is willing to attack the basket. Examples of this are Devin Harris and Josh Howard. They make it a routine on attacking the basket. Yes there are a lot of jump shooters on Dallas but they are very good jump shooters. Some of the best in the league.

[DDS4]

The mavs don't play a boring style like the spurs do. Their offense is very exciting with athletes like Josh Howard and Devin Harris. The spurs are better defensively but not by much.

You've lost all of your remaining shred of credibility with those statements.

[FromWayDowntown]

The mavs don't play a boring style like the spurs do. Their offense is very exciting with athletes like Josh Howard and Devin Harris. The spurs are better defensively but not by much.

You're right -- watching Ginobili and Parker just launch jump shot after jump shot, never driving to the basket under any circumstances, is pretty boring.

:rolleyes

[mavsfan1000]

You've lost all of your remaining shred of credibility with those statements.
Mavs are giving up 88 points a game in the last 12 games. I doubt the spurs are much better. You should actually look at the defensive stats of the mavs before opening your mouth.

[mavsfan1000]

You're right -- watching Ginobili and Parker just launch jump shot after jump shot, never driving to the basket under any circumstances, is pretty boring.

:rolleyes
Other than Ginobili and Parker the rest of the team is boring to watch. In particular Duncan.

[DDS4]

Mavs are giving up 88 points a game in the last 12 games. I doubt the spurs are much better. You should actually look at the defensive stats of the mavs before opening your mouth.

So you hang your arguments on the Mav's recent 12-game streak? Let's try over a span of a season or even perhaps a season and the playoffs before you spout your "research" on us.

Spurs have proven it YEARS on end. Mavs have done it over 12 games. Nice work Sherlock.

[smeagol]

The mavs don't play a boring style like the spurs do. Their offense is very exciting with athletes like Josh Howard and Devin Harris. The spurs are better defensively but not by much.
For some reason I thought you were not a troll.

This post proves me wrong.

[mavsfan1000]

For some reason I thought you were not a troll.

This post porves me wrong.
Well I've actually tried to watch spurs games but I lose interest quickly. Their style is not that interesting. Probably because they don't score a lot. Where do I prove to be a troll? That I have a lot of confidence in the mavs and they are exciting to watch?

[FromWayDowntown]

Mavs are giving up 88 points a game in the last 12 games. I doubt the spurs are much better. You should actually look at the defensive stats of the mavs before opening your mouth.

It's a good number, no doubt. But, for the sake of reference, in their past 12 gams, the Spurs are giving up 82.5 ppg. The Mavs have given up more than 90 on five different occasions during their streak. The Spurs have given up more than 90 only twice in their last 12 (94 to Miami on the road and 92 to Milwaukee at home).

I'd say it's justifiable to think the Spurs are still playing better defense than the Mavericks. Dallas is in a tizzy over the Mavericks new record of 12 games without an opponent scoring 100. The Spurs have allowed only 1 opponent to exceed 100 points since November 29 (34 games) and none since December 20. Which streak (12 games or nearly 2 months), praytell, should I find more impressive?

[leemajors]

and jump shooters are that entertaining? the spurs can be boring to watch, but dallas' new style isn't all that "pretty" either. the spurs are also better defensively at every position than the mavs (starters), so i don't know where you get that the spurs aren't that much better defensively. bowen>howard, duncan>dirk, parker>terry, gnob>whoever, rasho>diop.

[mavsfan1000]

Well the mavs are more up tempo than the spurs so I don't see in this pace that they could ever give up 82 ppg. The spurs are more of a half court team and use up the shot clock while the mavs look to score quickly like in first 10 seconds of the shot clock.

[DDS4]

Other than Ginobili and Parker the rest of the team is boring to watch. In particular Duncan.

If good ball movement, an inside-out game with Duncan, and good defensive rotations classify as boring to you, you're lost just like most of the casual NBA fan base.

Because dumping the ball to Nowitzki to go one-on-one is sooooo much more exciting than feeding it to Tim in the low block.

[leemajors]

Well the mavs are more up tempo than the spurs so I don't see in this pace that they could ever give up 82 ppg. The spurs are more of a half court team and use up the shot clock while the mavs look to score quickly like in first 10 seconds of the shot clock.

that style doesn't cut it in the playoffs, just ask phoenix...

[DDS4]

Well the mavs are more up tempo than the spurs so I don't see in this pace that they could ever give up 82 ppg. The spurs are more of a half court team and use up the shot clock while the mavs look to score quickly like in first 10 seconds of the shot clock.

I guess you didn't watch the Western Conference Finals last year. The Spurs are more uptempo than you think.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well the mavs are more up tempo than the spurs so I don't see in this pace that they could ever give up 82 ppg. The spurs are more of a half court team and use up the shot clock while the mavs look to score quickly like in first 10 seconds of the shot clock.

That's funny. John Hollinger says that the Mavericks actually play at a slower pace (in terms of possessions per game) than the Spurs do. The Mavericks use 90.5 possessions per game; the Spurs use 91.

Hollinger Team Stats Sorted for Pace (see teams 22 and 23) (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=pac&league=nba)

Hollinger's numbers also show that per 100 possessions, the Spurs give up about 6 points fewer than the Mavericks, which, remarkably, tracks almost exactly how those teams have played in their last 12 games.

Sorted for Defensive Efficiency (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats?sort=defeff&league=nba)

[Winnipeg_Spur]

With the Clippers getting back to their early season level of play, the SW crown may be even more crucial than before. Not only will the winner get HC in the second round, the loser will most likely play either a really good Clippers team or a Suns team (possibly with a healthy Amare) just to get there. Not a good scenario for a team with the second best record in the West.

[smeagol]

Well I've actually tried to watch spurs games but I lose interest quickly. Their style is not that interesting. Probably because they don't score a lot. Where do I prove to be a troll? That I have a lot of confidence in the mavs and they are exciting to watch?
Manu and Tony are exciting as it gets. The Spurs handle the ball like no other team in the NBA. If you are looking for flashy dunks and players showing their nipples after they score, then yeah, the Spurs are not that exciting.

But simply blabbing the "Spurs are boring" party line does not help your credibility around here (not to mention FWD is taking your ass to school).

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Well of course the Spurs aren't fun to watch. I'd hate watching any team leave handprints on my squad's butt.

[Solid D]

I smell some ownage.

[mavsfan1000]

that style doesn't cut it in the playoffs, just ask phoenix...
Dallas is much better defensively and rebounding than Phoenix.

[mavsfan1000]

The spurs will have no answer for Bosh. Too athletic for Duncan.

[FromWayDowntown]

The spurs will have no answer for Bosh. Too athletic for Duncan.

Which, of course, explains why Tim Duncan was 27/10/8 -- 2 assists short of a triple-double -- the last time these teams played, back in December.

You're right about the fact, though, that Bosh is a damned fine player and is a load for anyone to guard. It wouldn't surprise me if he played really well tonight.

[leemajors]

phoenix's defensive stats have improved just as much or maybe more than dallas'

[mavsfan1000]

phoenix's defensive stats have improved just as much or maybe more than dallas'
http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortable_team_statistics/sortable1.html#top

[dmac]

At 38-10 They Are No. 1 Right Now. The Lead May Swell After You Spursies Get Mangled By The Raptors!
are you sure about that?

[mavsfan1000]

are you sure about that?
I wouldn't be celebrating an overtime win against the craptors.

[FromWayDowntown]

I wouldn't be celebrating an overtime win against the craptors.

An overtime win against the Raptors where the Cuncan-less Spurs had to start Rasho Nestervic and Sean Marks as bigs in overtime? I'll take it.

It's not about aesthetics, its about the result.

[mavsfan1000]

Well Sean Marks had a career night and still they were lucky. If you can celebrate this win than you can any win.

[ducks]

I take this win considering manu one of the big three sucked ass where the other on duncan did not play
one of the big three played and won

[CubanMustGo]

Well Sean Marks had a career night and still they were lucky. If you can celebrate this win than you can any win.

So says a man whose FULL STRENGTH team had to go to OT to beat an equally bad Portland team. GMAFB already.

[mavsfan1000]

So says a man whose FULL STRENGTH team had to go to OT to beat an equally bad Portland team. GMAFB already.
How much research did it take for you to find that? The mavs have been dominating teams as of lately. The heat will be a tough game though. Shaq and Wade are a tough duo.

[101A]

How much research did it take for you to find that? The mavs have been dominating teams as of lately. The heat will be a tough game though. Shaq and Wade are a tough duo.


Portland game was just two weeks ago. Also, since then Mavs have had close calls against Memphis AND Chicago.

[dmac]

I wouldn't be celebrating an overtime win against the craptors.
They sure as hell didn't "Get Mangled By The Raptors!"

[FromWayDowntown]

Well Sean Marks had a career night and still they were lucky. If you can celebrate this win than you can any win.

I also don't think that you could characterize the attitude of the board to be celebratory after that game; there's a lot of relief and some happiness that the Spurs overcame some adversity to win a game that would have been a very bad loss.

It's not like Dallas boards where everyone is jumping up and down at being #1 in the power rankings, as if those mean anything.