Detroit having trouble with the Hawks???

[Rummpd]

89-90 with 6 minutes left.

Go Hawks.

[1Parker1]

You know the Pistons will find a way to win that one. Billups or Sheed will come up with a 3.

[Rummpd]

Prince is winning this game for them - he has been on fire, it is still close though 99-97 with about a minute late in favor of Pistons.

[HB22inSA]

Say it ain't so...

Atlanta with the ball, down 1 with 26.7 seconds left.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Atlanta has looked surprisingly solid this game.

[1Parker1]

Sheed and Rip are having off nights. Only 7 and 14 points respectively. I think the Pistons will pull out the win though. I'm shocked Atlantic hung around this close.

Meanwhile the Lakers are getting their asses kicked by the Mavs :lol

[HB22inSA]

ooops, sorry, didn't see this in the NBA Forum...

[Spurologist]

I was about to post this. Wonder where those 70 win people will be if they lose

[ducks]

Detroit 98, Atlanta 97

Preview - Box Score - GameChannel - Recap



1 2 3 4 Total

Detroit 34 26 21 17 98 :26.7

Atlanta 24 33 20 20 97 4th





Latest Plays
:26.7 ATL - Full timeout (Timeout #8)
:26.7 DET - Defensive rebound
:27.9 DET - C. Billups misses a 26-foot three-pointer from the right wing
:42.4 ATL - Z. Pachulia hits the second free throw
:42.4 ATL - R. Ivey enters game for S. Stoudamire
:42.4 ATL - Z. Pachulia hits the first free throw
:42.4 DET - Loose ball foul on T. Prince
:42.4 ATL - Z. Pachulia defensive rebound
:43.6 DET - B. Wallace misses the second free throw
:43.6 DET - B. Wallace hits the first free throw

Detroit
Name Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
T. Prince 40 10-13 1-2 8-10 1 4 0 1 1 2 2 29
R. Wallace 36 3-14 1-6 0-0 0 4 4 0 0 0 2 7
B. Wallace 33 2-5 0-0 1-4 4 11 3 1 2 3 4 5
C. Billups 37 4-13 1-4 11-11 1 3 7 2 0 0 1 20
R. Hamilton 29 7-13 1-1 1-1 0 1 2 0 0 0 4 16
A. McDyess 23 5-8 0-0 1-1 2 2 1 2 2 1 4 11
M. Evans 7 1-1 0-0 2-2 0 1 0 1 0 0 2 4
C. Delfino 12 0-2 0-1 2-2 0 2 2 0 0 1 0 2
C. Arroyo 10 1-1 0-0 2-2 1 2 2 3 0 0 0 4

Totals 227 33-70 4-14 28-33 9 30 21 10 5 7 19 98
Percentages: .471 .286 .848 Team Rebounds: 7

Atlanta
Name Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
J. Smith 27 2-5 0-0 0-0 1 4 2 0 0 0 5 4
A. Harrington 34 6-18 0-2 2-2 1 5 4 2 0 0 1 14
Z. Pachulia 34 5-6 0-0 6-6 3 9 4 2 0 1 3 16
R. Ivey 13 3-6 0-0 0-0 1 2 2 0 0 0 4 6
J. Johnson 36 11-16 3-5 2-2 1 3 5 5 2 0 1 27
J. Childress 32 5-10 0-0 0-0 3 4 2 1 0 1 5 10
S. Stoudamire 22 4-10 2-5 2-2 0 3 0 1 0 0 3 12
M. Williams 22 3-9 0-0 0-2 2 6 3 0 0 0 1 6
E. Batista 8 1-2 0-0 0-0 1 3 0 2 1 0 2 2

Totals 228 40-82 5-12 12-14 13 39 22 13 3 2 25 97
Percentages: .488 .417 .857 Team Rebounds: 9

Game Info
Technical Fouls: Detroit - R. Wallace 1. Atlanta - Z. Pachulia 1, E. Batista 1
Officials: Brian Forte, Ely Roe, Marc Davis

[HB22inSA]

Hawks by 1 with 7 seconds left!!!

[ducks]

Say it ain't so...

Atlanta with the ball, down 1 with 26.7 seconds left.

if hawks lose you are banned :pctoss

[ducks]

07.6 DET - Full timeout (Timeout #6)
:07.6 ATL - J. Johnson makes shot
:26.7 ATL - S. Stoudamire enters game for R. Ivey

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Dangit. Atlanta takes the lead.

[1Parker1]

Damn Joe Johnson doing alright without Nash....

[HB22inSA]

if hawks lose you are banned
The hawks will win, I guarantee it!!!

[1Parker1]

Dangit. Atlanta takes the lead.


I feel a Billups or Sheed 3 coming :)

[Spurologist]

The hawks will win, I guarantee it!!!

+1

[HB22inSA]

Hawks win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[HB22inSA]

hamilton missed...

[Manu4Three]

Atlanta won

[Spurologist]

game over. hawks win

[Rummpd]

Yes! The Hawks beat the Pistons.

This is the equal of any embarrasing Spurs loss all year!

[1Parker1]

DAAAAAAAAYum, I was so sure Pistons would pull out for the win!

[ducks]

:00.8 DET - Offensive rebound
:00.8 DET - R. Hamilton misses a 13-foot jumper in the lane
:07.6 ATL - J. Smith enters game for Z. Pachulia
:07.6 ATL - R. Ivey enters game for S. Stoudamire
:07.6 DET - Full timeout (Timeout #6)

[ducks]

three losses close together

[myhc]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Now only a 3 game lead on us!

:elephant :elephant :elephant

[boutons_]

Pistons -1, have 1 shot left. no Timeouts left.
Can the Pistons hit the game winner?

Richard missed, put back missed, 0.2 left.
hawks win.

Will Spurs play down to the Raps now and lose @TOR even with HCA in play?

[ducks]

DAAAAAAAAYum, I was so sure Pistons would pull out for the win!


time for some bickering in piston land

the hawks :smokin

[Spurologist]

is anyone feeling the HCA running through their veins

[Horry For 3!]

Pistons lost to the Hawks :lmao :lol

[Rummpd]

Go Lakers tonight a miracle comeback would be nice!

[ducks]

overlooking one team then coming back and lossing to the hawks is great coaching flip

[HB22inSA]

Let's see, home losses to Chicago and Denver and the Spurs would have been tied with the Pistons...

oh well, woulda, coulda, shoulda...

[1Parker1]

Go Lakers tonight a miracle comeback would be nice!


:lol Seriously, Mavs need to lose! Tonight would be a great time for Kobe to go for 82 :smokin

[yeahone]

hawks beat the best two teams in the league

[Solid D]

The starting 5 are playing lots of minutes and it's a lonnnnnnngggggg season.

Quote following the Indiana game from Flip:

"I think that's a result of our guys being worn down,'' Pistons coach Flip Saunders said. "I don't think we got in any flow offensively or defensively. We just didn't make stops or chase down long rebounds like Indiana did. We didn't finish strong the third quarter and that resulted in us playing behind the rest of the way.''

Chauncey Billups continued his recent struggles Saturday, scoring 10 points on 2-for-8 shooting. In the last three games, he's averaging 8.7 points and shooting 32 percent from the field, including 1-for-11 on 3-pointers.

"All our guys are basically a little worn down,'' Saunders said.

[Mr. Body]

"Detroit Pistons = Greatest Team Evah!" talk was always idiotic. They're simply excellent, not for-the-ages. Now both SA and Detroit dropped games to the Hawks.

[spurs=bling]

thank You Hawks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1Parker1]

Pistons lost to the Hawks :lmao :lol

:lol The Spurs have also.

[ducks]

damm prince went off tonight and pistons still lost

[Horry For 3!]

Go Lakers tonight a miracle comeback would be nice!
Kobe better make his shots in the 2nd half if the Lakers want to win. He is 2 for 8

[timvp]

"All our guys are basically a little worn down,'' Saunders said.

Here's an idea:

Try playing some of those guys who do not start the game. I like to call them "bench players".

[Horry For 3!]

:lol The Spurs have also.
So the Pistons are suppose to be "superior"

[Pistons < Spurs]

Yes! The Hawks beat the Pistons.

This is the equal of any embarrasing Spurs loss all year!


LOL!

C'mon they beat you all by 10! We only lost by 1!!

A little dissapointed. But no big deal. They didn't have alot of defensive intensity. Once again, in a loss, we got outrebounded.

Tomorrow's another game.


:spin

[HB22inSA]

Now only a 3 game lead on us!
The lead is actually only 2 games.

Now watch the Spurs drop a gimme in Toronto...happens to them every year seems like

[ducks]

The starting 5 are playing lots of minutes and it's a lonnnnnnngggggg season.

Quote following the Indiana game from Flip:

"I think that's a result of our guys being worn down,'' Pistons coach Flip Saunders said. "I don't think we got in any flow offensively or defensively. We just didn't make stops or chase down long rebounds like Indiana did. We didn't finish strong the third quarter and that resulted in us playing behind the rest of the way.''

Chauncey Billups continued his recent struggles Saturday, scoring 10 points on 2-for-8 shooting. In the last three games, he's averaging 8.7 points and shooting 32 percent from the field, including 1-for-11 on 3-pointers.

"All our guys are basically a little worn down,'' Saunders said.

TOo MANY MINUTES FLIP :elephant :elephant :elephant
Billups C. Billups 37 4-13 1-4

another 37 minute outing

[milkyway21]

what? Detroit lost again?

Grrrrrrrrrr. :lol

the last time it was against the depleted Indiana Pacers when mostly bench players were playing against them-rookie Granger, Harrison, Pollard, led by starter SJAx .....

now, vs. Atlanta.

folks, what a perfect timing, the time when Spurs usually starts it's peak for playoffs.

let me see:

Big Ben
vs. Indiana - 0 pt.
vs. Atlanta - 4 pts.

note: that's not the way to play when you're about to get your contract extended this summer Big Ben.

[T.F. Storm]

The Pistons deserved to lose today, the way they played. Tayshaun was on fire, but the defense was crap. All this hype is not good for them. It's almost like they think they can walk onto the floor and win it just by standing there. Maybe this will embarrass them and give some sort of wakeup call.

Kinda like after we won the Championship and did the same thing. :pctoss

[Spurologist]

overlooking one team then coming back and lossing to the hawks is great coaching flip

does any notice that his neck seems to get extra tight when his team is down or he's losing. he'll be doing that in his sleep tonight

:lol

http://photocdn.sohu.com/20060119/Img241520738.jpg

[ducks]

LOL!

C'mon they beat you all by 10! We only lost by 1!!

A little dissapointed. But no big deal. They didn't have alot of defensive intensity. Once again, in a loss, we got outrebounded.

Tomorrow's another game.


:spin

last time pistons fans said loss was back to back
this lost was not a result of a back to back

[Horry For 3!]

LOL!

C'mon they beat you all by 10! We only lost by 1!!

A little dissapointed. But no big deal. They didn't have alot of defensive intensity. Once again, in a loss, we got outrebounded.

Tomorrow's another game.


:spin
Yes but it was a back 2 back for the Spurs on the road and Sean Marks wasn't playing..... :lol

Pistons lost in Atlanta but was no back 2 back.

[nkdlunch]

DEEEEETROIT BAAAASKETBAAALL....... what the fuck happened to it??


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[smeagol]

The lead is actually only 2 games.

Now watch the Spurs drop a gimme in Toronto...happens to them every year seems like
They hold the tiebreaker

[Horry For 3!]

Pistons have to go up against the Clippers tomorrow but they played tonight as well so its about even.

[smeagol]

I guess the Pistons are no longer #1 in the power rankings :spin

[DarkReign]

*whew*

Im glad the 70 win talk can finally end.

Horrible loss, btw.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Im glad the 70 win talk can finally end.




:tu :tu

[mavsfan1000]

Looks like the mavs will be first in the power rankings.

[ducks]

pistons lost 2 last week and did not lose ground
if they lose only once this week do you think they will lose ground?

[Horry For 3!]

Looks like the mavs will be first in the power rankings.
How will the Mavs be first if they are not ahead of the Spurs. :lol If they win tonight yeah but they still have to play one more half of ball. Kobe could go off in the 2nd half and that would be it for the Mavs.

[T.F. Storm]

*whew*

Im glad the 70 win talk can finally end.

Horrible loss, btw.

That's the only good thing that could come out of this, unless it also serves as a wakeup call of some sort.

[Pistons < Spurs]

unless it also serves as a wakeup call of some sort.

That's what I'm hoping for. We haven't played all that great lately.

[nkdlunch]

Looks like the mavs will be first in the power rankings.


mavs are in the middle of blowing a 20 pt lead to the Lakers :lol

[ducks]

That's what I'm hoping for. We haven't played all that great lately.


you are a good poster you tell it like it is :fro

[DDS4]

Umm...the Hawks have beat both the Spurs and the Pistons.

Not many teams can say that.

[T.F. Storm]

you are a good poster you tell it like it is :fro

If anyone denies that we have been playing really crappy the past 3 or 4 games, then they're crazy. Being tired was an excuse before, but tonight just shows that they're becoming careless and not playing with any defensive intensity. That last play by Atlanta really showcased it.

[ducks]

EVER here of flip the o coach but not the d coach

[milkyway21]

I guess the Pistons are no longer #1 in the power rankings :spinnow whoever wants the 5 Detroit players starts in the All-Star seems ridiculous...

[nkdlunch]

now whoever wants the 5 Detroit players starts in the All-Star seems ridiculous...

how about sending the Piston team to the Olympics?

[smeagol]

you are a good poster you tell it like it is :fro
He is one of many (good Piston posters, that is)

[smeagol]

how about sending the Piston team to the Olympics?
They would probably beat the crap out of the rest of the World . . .

[nkdlunch]

They would probably beat the crap out of the rest of the World . . .

not if they also send Flip as coach

[lilmads]

I never thought I'd be so proud of the Hawks... Yay.. :)

[milkyway21]

how about sending the Piston team to the Olympics?hey somebody suggested that when the Pistons beat the Lakers in 2004.

but :lol

no offense meant, Pistons fans

[Dre_7]

Hey boutons, I thought SA had no chance of catching DET???? :D

[Manu4Three]

Lakers down by 7

[Pistons < Spurs]

IMO we've destroyed alot of inferior teams this year, and that along with the media attention and hype, we've gotten a little full of ourselves.

On our last big winning streak, we played & beat:

New Orleans
Charlotte
Boston
Atlanta
New York
Houston
Minnesota
Milwaukee
Memphis
Lakers

Most of those were blowouts except for an OT win against Memphis, and a 2 point victory vs. Houston.

Those wins I'm sure gave us some confidence, but also made us a little cocky, and it has shown in our play.

I do however look for them to get back to buisness. Hopefully the media drops the 70 win talk. And with the All Star reserves being named this week, we will hopefully no longer hear how everyone including our mascot should be in Houston. We need to lose the distractions, and play some ball.

[Manu4Three]

Lakers down by 3

[Manu4Three]

Lakers down by 1

[JamStone]

Hawks played better than the Pistons tonight. Pistons played all right, shots just didn't fall after the first quarter. The Pistons defense was not its best.

Pistons should not have lost, but they just have to regroup and prepare for the Clippers tomorrow night. Bad loss. Not happy about it, but it happens.

[midgetonadonkey]

Damn the Hawks beat the Pistons and the Spurs in the same season. They should consider this quite an accomplishment.

This loss means nothing. The Pistons are still a great team that will likely win the next 8 or 9 in a row.

[ducks]

kobe is 3-12 and lakers are coming back
MY GOD

[Manu4Three]

it's Kobe's time!!!!!

[ducks]

Damn the Hawks beat the Pistons and the Spurs in the same season. They should consider this quite an accomplishment.

This loss means nothing. The Pistons are still a great team that will likely win the next 8 or 9 in a row.

people said that last lost

this lost could wake them up
or maybe the coaching stafff not preaching the d is starting to catch up

[George W Bush]

I saw the title and came in here to get Detroit outa harms way.
Where are these hawks you people are talkin' about?

[MI21]

I don't understand why Flip consistently overplays Rasheed and Ben Wallace when they aren't performing, when McDyess is there as backup.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Damn, the Hawks are beastly. If only they could make the playoffs, they might win it all ..... Detroit and San Antonio clearly can't hang with them.... :spin

[ABDENOUR POWER]

I don't understand why Flip consistently overplays Rasheed and Ben Wallace when they aren't performing, when McDyess is there as backup.

Forget McDyess, DARKO is their backup!

[Pistons < Spurs]

I don't understand why Flip consistently overplays Rasheed and Ben Wallace when they aren't performing, when McDyess is there as backup.


Defense.

Dice can hold his own, but he doesn't compare to either of those 2 guys defensively.



(not that it showed tonight.......)

[smeagol]

not if they also send Flip as coach
C'mon, Flip was a great coach 10 days ago when the Pistons where 36-5, now he is crap?

[MI21]

Defense.

Dice can hold his own, but he doesn't compare to either of those 2 guys defensively.



(not that it showed tonight.......)

Yeah, I agree with that 100%.

But it isn't really going to matter to much against a team like Atlanta. They weren't stopping them anyway as well as contributing nothing offensively, so why not give McDyess a chance to play some extended minutes?

(Maybe I'm just being bias, McDyess is one of my favourite players)

[Manu4Three]

Lakers up by 2....66-64

[genghisrex]

Looks like the mavs will be first in the power rankings.

Congratulations on another pre-ASB Championship!!!!

:elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant

http://www.bruhoha.org/webimages/mavs_losing3.jpg

(Expect the usual finish)

[picnroll]

Hopefully Flip keeps playing all the starters heavy minutes all season. Rack up those regular season wins Flip.

[exstatic]

I'd say 70 is out. Before tonight, they were JUST under pace for it. If you took their win pct and multiplied it by 82, you came out with 69.5 wins.

[Spurologist]

Defense.

Dice can hold his own, but he doesn't compare to either of those 2 guys defensively.



(not that it showed tonight.......)

he doesn't compare because ben and sheed of two of the best in the game. Dyess is a good defender and shooter. He's a beast. He should get more minutes. Oh wait I think Flip neck is tightening again

http://photocdn.sohu.com/20060119/Img241520738.jpg

[Peter]

Congrats, Pistons, on your January championship.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Yeah, I agree with that 100%.

But it isn't really going to matter to much against a team like Atlanta. They weren't stopping them anyway as well as contributing nothing offensively, so why not give McDyess a chance to play some extended minutes?

(Maybe I'm just being bias, McDyess is one of my favourite players)


I hear ya, and basically agree with you aswell. I'd like to see Dice get closer to 30 minutes a game. And ideally against a team like Atlanta, he SHOULD be getting that many minutes as it should not be a close contest.

[yeahone]

great game hawks

[1Parker1]

Ouch, Kobe is 4-15...I guess Dallas really doesn't want him to go for 63 tonight :)

[IceColdBrewski]

It was only a matter of time before they came crashing back down to earth. The pace they were setting was relentless. I figured this was coming weeks ago. So my hat is off to the Pistons. They put together a truly remarkable run.

[midgetonadonkey]

The Hawks will be contenders in 2008.

[MI21]

The Hawks would be .500 if they drafted Chris Paul who would of filled a need for them as well as just being a better player than Williams.

If I was a Hawks fan I would be incredibly pissed with that decision in the draft.

[Brutalis]

Ding! Reality check! Welcome to earth Deeeeeeeetroiiiiiiiit baskeeeeeetballlllll.

:lmao

[Rummpd]

Spurs after 6-8 start in 99 went 31-5 and then went 15-2 to win championship in the shortened season. or 46-7 = that was a run for the ages.

[Tanya]

It's surprised to see many spurs fans are so HAPPY when the pistons still have two more games ahead and they won the spurs by 15 in both games.
Well I respect the spurs and those spurs fans who understand the pistons are still a great team but they are just in a slump.

Again. I hate the media who brought up the 70 wins talk. I am tired of that. It's a good weapon for the pistons haters to use whenever the pistons lose huh? I hope I would have that weapon too. The pistons record was way more worse at this point last year. They lost the Atlanta and other crap teams few times last year too. But NO ONE said LB was a bad coach. Now after the 37-5, all of a sudden people say Flip is a bad coach? Now open your mind. Any teams can lose to any teams in this league during regular season. The hawks deserved to win and the pistons deserved to lose tonight.

[BAGUIO_BOYKR]

:elephant HAHAHAHA!! FUNNY! PISTON LOSE!! I THINK PISTON ARE NOT WORN DOWN, THEY ARE NOT A DEFENSIVE TEAM UNDER FLIP. HAHAHA :elephant

[FreshPrince22]

LOL, we suck. Sheed is taking this "I don't want to be an all-star" thing way too far. A normal game from Sheed and this is a 10 point win.

How the fuck do we lose with Tayshaun scoring 29 points on 13 shots?

[z0sa]

Looks like Pistons fans can't post that we have twice as many losses anymore.

[BAGUIO_BOYKR]

SPURS= WIN-LOSE/ WHILE THE PISTON LOSE-LOSE..FUNNY! :elephant

[Marklar MM]

Joe Johnson comes in averaging 9 ppg against Detroit, and gets 29. Embarassing.

[Solid D]

:elephant HAHAHAHA!! FUNNY! PISTON LOSE!! I THINK PISTON ARE NOT WORN DOWN, THEY ARE NOT A DEFENSIVE TEAM UNDER FLIP. HAHAHA :elephant

Are you cowboy's cousin or something?

[Marklar MM]

Are you cowboy's cousin or something?

:elephant I AM GUESSING THAT THIS IS HIS OTHER PERSONALITY. WOW I AM TYPING IN CAPS. :elephant

[FreshPrince22]

Does this cement Chauncey's MVP status? Ever since he took that knee to his thigh against the Lakers he has shot 31% from the field and the Pistons are 3-3.

[Das Texan]

wow.


detroit might want to consider fixing whatever ails them.


and buying a bench. that might help also.

[midgetonadonkey]

Does this cement Chauncey's MVP status? Ever since he took that knee to his thigh against the Lakers he has shot 31% from the field and the Pistons are 3-3.

Looks like the Pistons might finally have to sit a starter due to injury. Starting Hunter and using Arroyo as a backup might help their bench a bit and get Billups healthy for the important part of the season.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Fire Flip...

[ShoogarBear]

Congratulations on another pre-ASB Championship!!!!

:elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant :jack :elephant


LMFAO

[FreshPrince22]

and buying a bench. that might help also.

Yea, the bench was what did it :rolleyes

Bench stats:
56 Minutes, 21 points (56% FG), 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals

The bench was decent. They didn't get a whole lot of touches. Only 12 shots. But that's a problem with the starters. They tend to forget they're on the floor out there at times.

This was a Chauncey/Sheed loss. Both played shitty. IMO, We need to say screw HCA and just worry about staying healthy and developing the bench. The starters look "out of it" right now. And it's tough to beat teams when your biggest strength is negated like that.

Watch out for a trade. I can almost guarantee you're going to see Dumars deal Darko and Arroyo for a good backup PG and maybe a pick or something.

[Trainwreck2100]

Rip should not be taking that shot, it should be Billups.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

ok so the pistons lost to the hawks and so did we. whopp di doo. If I'm a pistons fan, i'm not too worried. even the 72 win Bulls lost back to back (one of which was to toronto!!) i still think detroit could easily whip up another 11 game win streak. i also think dallas will drop one to miami

[FreshPrince22]

Rip should not be taking that shot, it should be Billups.


Chauncey is beat up, and it has killed his shot. It should have been Tayshaun, IMO. People wouldn't expect it really, and he was on tonight (29 points on 10 of 13 shots). He is capable of hitting the big shot. He hit a bunch of big shots for us in his rookie year in the playoffs.

[Despot]

This was a Chauncey/Sheed loss.

Chauncey out played the bench by himself. and most of the bech stats were from one man. But I don't think the pistons bench is all that bad, wish we had Evans.

With that said, every night some players pick up the slack for others, as tay did tonight, so no excuses, they just lost today.

[baseline bum]

2 games seperate the Spurs and Pistons now. All that talk of running away with homecourt can die now. Of course, they have the tiebreaker on the Spurs, so it's really like a 3-game lead.

[aaronstampler]

I'm gonna take the high road here. As big a Spurs fan as I am, I'll readily admit to anyone that I don't like our chances against the Pistons at all without HCA. So I'll enjoy the Pistons' loss, and the fact that we only need to go three games better than them the rest of the way and let's leave it that, okay?


We don't need to get into petty fan rivalries here in February, imo. Let's wait until we both make it to the Finals before we act like it's the 00s version of Lakers-Celtics here. I, for one, am not assuming it's gonna be a runaway through the first three rounds of the playoffs. We're not playing well at all right now. Our offense is sluggish as hell, we can't get a rotation, and nobody on our bench is playing well except for the 12th and 13th men. The Mavs are playing much better than us, at the moment. And the Suns with Amare should be quite a load, now that they actually have a bit of a bench. I don't think it's going to be a 12-0 formality for the Pistons either. Both the Cavs and the Heat should give them a series. So let's wait til June until this becomes an official rivalry, okay?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Truthfully, it's not a rivalry until each team wins a series...

[Despot]

I was kinda hoping sheed would start bringing out the belt again soon. This will probably make him think twice.

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm gonna take the high road here. As big a Spurs fan as I am, I'll readily admit to anyone that I don't like our chances against the Pistons at all without HCA. So I'll enjoy the Pistons' loss, and the fact that we only need to go three games better than them the rest of the way and let's leave it that, okay?


We don't need to get into petty fan rivalries here in February, imo. Let's wait until we both make it to the Finals before we act like it's the 00s version of Lakers-Celtics here. I, for one, am not assuming it's gonna be a runaway through the first three rounds of the playoffs. We're not playing well at all right now. Our offense is sluggish as hell, we can't get a rotation, and nobody on our bench is playing well except for the 12th and 13th men. The Mavs are playing much better than us, at the moment. And the Suns with Amare should be quite a load, now that they actually have a bit of a bench. I don't think it's going to be a 12-0 formality for the Pistons either. Both the Cavs and the Heat should give them a series. So let's wait til June until this becomes an official rivalry, okay?


I'm gonna take the low road here

Fuk detroit
Fu$% it's fans
Fu$% Kid Rock
Fu$% Hillary Duff
Fu$% the hot dog vendors at the palace.
Fu$% the Steelers
Fu$% that guy who invented cheese wiz.

In fact as the great Tom Brady says while riding his segway, "Everyone sucks but me"

:elephant

Go Trainwreck Go Trainwreck, It's your birthday, insulted everybody, 'cept Tom Brady.

Actually, on second thought go to hell Tom Brady.

[Das Texan]

Yea, the bench was what did it :rolleyes

Bench stats:
56 Minutes, 21 points (56% FG), 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals

The bench was decent. They didn't get a whole lot of touches. Only 12 shots. But that's a problem with the starters. They tend to forget they're on the floor out there at times.

This was a Chauncey/Sheed loss. Both played shitty. IMO, We need to say screw HCA and just worry about staying healthy and developing the bench. The starters look "out of it" right now. And it's tough to beat teams when your biggest strength is negated like that.

Watch out for a trade. I can almost guarantee you're going to see Dumars deal Darko and Arroyo for a good backup PG and maybe a pick or something.


so basically you rip me on my comments.

then you confirm them in the same post.

how awesome!

look bottom line, the pistons are wearing out their starters, which is going to come back and bite their asses when the playoffs roll around.

bad for them. good for us.

buy a bench. or develop one. similar concept. same result.

[JamStone]

look bottom line, the pistons are wearing out their starters, which is going to come back and bite their asses when the playoffs roll around.

bad for them. good for us.

buy a bench. or develop one. similar concept. same result.



Rip Hamilton 37.2 mpg, played all 47 games
Ben Wallace 36.5 mpg, played all 47 games
Chauncey Billups 36.3 mpg, played all 47 games
Tayshaun Prince 36.0 mpg, played all 47 games
Rasheed Wallace 35.5 mpg, played all 47 games

Tim Duncan 35.7 mpg, played all 47 games
Tony Parker 34.8 mpg, played all 47 games
Bruce Bowen 34.0 mpg, played all 47 games

Dirk Nowitzki 37.8 mpg, played in all 48 games
Shawn Marion 41.7 mpg, played in all 48 games
Raja Bell 38.0 mpg, played in 47 of 48 games
Steve Nash 37.1 mpg, played in all 48 games
Richard Jefferson 39.3 mpg, played in 43 of 46 games
Jason Kidd 37.4 mpg, played in all 46 games
Vince Carter 36.9 mpg, played in 44 of 46 games
Dwyane Wade 39.0 mpg, played in 47 of 49 games
Pau Gasol 39.6 mpg, played in all 46 games


If the Pistons starters are worn down in the playoffs, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Bruce Bowen will be worn down in the playoffs. The majority of the "star" players on top playoff teams will be worn out. Seriously, stop talking about how the Pistons starters are going to be more fatigued than any other star players on other NBA teams. It's such an overused and unjustifiable argument.

Having five guys play about the same long minutes does not make them more fatigued than one guy who plays just as many minutes or more on another team simply because there are five of them. In fact, if a player logs 35-40 mpg and is the only one on his team that plays that much, he probably is double and triple teamed a lot, gets hacked more, and has to deal with the pressures of being the #1 guy more, which would make that player even more fatigued as opposed to five guys who share the burdens and responsibilities at both ends fairly equally. Having five guys play those minutes means the burden is spread out more among them.

If the Pistons starters are playing too many minutes, then almost every top team has at least two or three players that are playing way too many minutes. Look at the Nets. Kidd, Carter and Jefferson have to do EVERYTHING for that team at both ends of the floor. Both Kidd and Jefferson play more minutes than any Pistons starter. Why don't we hear much about how Kidd, Jefferson, and Carter are going to break down? Same with Marion, Nash, and Bell.

The argument is tired. It is foolish. It is reaching. It simply carries very little merit. Will the Pistons starters be fatigued at some point in the regular season and maybe even in the playoffs? Sure, probably, but not more than any other NBA starter who log just about as many minutes, and many times even more minutes. Revelation ... NBA starters get tired at some point in the regular season. Who knew?

Stop with the "Pistons starters' fatigue" argument already.

[Brutalis]

Okay Jam. Add those extra few minutes, times 82, and see what number you get.

Makes a difference.

[boutons_]

Pistons this season:

http://www.nba.com/pistons/stats/

... are playing effectively same MPG as last season:

http://www.nba.com/pistons/stats/2004/index.html

The Pistons didn't look exhausted in the Finals last June.
Don't count on them being exhausted next June.

[DarkReign]

I'm gonna take the low road here

Fuk detroit
Fu$% it's fans
Fu$% Kid Rock
Fu$% Hillary Duff
Fu$% the hot dog vendors at the palace.
Fu$% the Steelers
Fu$% that guy who invented cheese wiz.

In fact as the great Tom Brady says while riding his segway, "Everyone sucks but me"

:elephant

Go Trainwreck Go Trainwreck, It's your birthday, insulted everybody, 'cept Tom Brady.

Actually, on second thought go to hell Tom Brady.

:tu :tu

:rollin

[bdubya]

Okay Jam. Add those extra few minutes, times 82, and see what number you get.

Makes a difference.

Let's see...the spread between the average of the Spurs listed and the Pistons is about a minute and a half, or 123 minutes, or maybe 5 extra minutes each week.

OH MY GOD THEY'RE GONNA DIE OUT THERE!!!!! :rolleyes

[Sec24Row7]

They beat us twice convincingly.

I'm not going to talk any trash about the pistons like some Phil Jackson wannabe.

They have a great team, and whoever wins the finals this year is going to have earned it.

[JamStone]

Okay Jam. Add those extra few minutes, times 82, and see what number you get.

Makes a difference.


Okay Brutalis. And, as such, I guess Rasheed Wallace (35.5 mpg) will be much fresher than Tim Duncan (35.7 mpg) come the playoffs. Well, that's good, since Tim Duncan is the player the Pistons must worry about most.

[Mixability]

Pistons lost to the Hawks :lmao :lol

How easily the bandwaggoners forget....

Saturday December 10, 2005

Atlanta 94
San Antonio 84

:shootme

[JamStone]

Okay Jam. Add those extra few minutes, times 82, and see what number you get.

Makes a difference.


(Chauncey Billups' minutes (36.3) - Tony Parker's minutes (34.8)) x 82 = 123 minutes

So, over a SIX MONTH PERIOD, Chauncey will have played about 120 more minutes (2 hours) than Tony Parker, or approximately the length of a major motion pictures ... OVER A SIX MONTH PERIOD.


Tayshaun Prince will have played about 160 more minutes than Bruce Bowen, approximately 4 and a half NBA games worth for a regular starter who plays about 35 minutes per game. Tayshaun Prince is NINE YEARS younger than Bruce Bowen. Five extra regular seasons games do not seem to be completely unreasonable. And, with more playing time for Delfino and Evans, Tayshaun's average minutes will start to decrease.


Rasheed will have played 16 fewer minutes than Tim Duncan over the course of the regular season, even though Rasheed is relatively healthy and Duncan has been hobbled with his plantar fasciitis. Does that make a difference?

Ben Wallace will have logged many more minutes than either Rasho or Nazr. I don't think that's much of a concern though.

Manu will have played many fewer games and minutes than Rip Hamilton. I would guess if Manu had been healthy this year, he would be averaging close to 34-35 mpg, even with Michael Finley. But, if Manu can stay healthy, he will probably be fresher than Rip Hamilton in the playoffs ... IF MANU IS HEALTHY. Who knows?


So, BRUTALIS, how much difference does it really make?

[himat]

Pistons lost to the Hawks :lmao :lol

come on so did you guys. i hope these losses in the last 5 games get these guys to play there best, and not to come into games overconfident.

[ALVAREZ6]

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao

[Mixability]

come on so did you guys. i hope these losses in the last 5 games get these guys to play there best, and not to come into games overconfident.

I hereby apologize for our rare moron fans.... :depressed :lol

[rayray2k8]

I think this thread should be killed already

[DarkReign]

Bah, Pistons have their trolls as well.

No need for apologies.

I cant say it enough...

Thank GOD the 70 win crap is over.

Back to your regular scheduled programming...