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DieMrBond
02-10-2006, 01:12 AM
Mavs show flashes of brilliance on both ends
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5316930
Charley Rosen / FOXSports.com
Posted: 38 minutes ago

In the past, the Dallas Mavericks have always been just good enough to break the hearts of their loyal fans. But could this year's team possibly be for real?

Riding the crest of a 13-game winning streak, Dallas has come out of nowhere to challenge the defending champion Spurs for the best record in the Western Conference. In some quarters, Dallas has even supplanted Detroit as the NBA's top-rated team.

Should the Mavs ultimately overcome San Antonio, they will gain the top seed in the playoffs as well as the home-court advantage at least until the final round. Should the Spurs finish atop the Southwest Division, then the Mavs will drop to the fourth seed and most likely enjoy the home-town edge only for the opening series. This set of circumstances makes every game that Dallas plays critically important.

Dallas showed signs of improvement on the defensive end Thursday night. (Tony Gutierrez / Associated Press)

However, are these your father's Mavs? A high-scoring bunch who can't muster the defense, the guts, or the discipline to compete with the NBA's elite come the money season? Or has Avery Johnson's emphasis on defense truly altered the Mavs' historical gestalt?

Let's take a look at their overwhelming 112-76 win over Miami at home Wednesday and see what's what with the Mavs.

Offense

A huge improvement here. Lots of swing passes, weak-side action, unselfishness, patience, poise, control, as well as perpetual ball- and player-movement. For the entire game, the Mavs only forced a single shot — a missed jumper by Dirk Nowitzki in the third quarter. They only went to iso situations when the matchups were grossly tilted in their favor — seven for Nowtizki, six for Jerry Stackhouse, four for Josh Howard, three (in garbage time) for Didier Ilunga-Mbenga, and one each for Keith Van Horn, Erick Dampier and Marquis Daniels.

Most important, the Mavs set a continuous series of screens and combo-screens; high, low, double, staggered, weak-side, strong-side, screens and re-screens. (Dampier even did a nice job of slipping a high screen and hustling himself into a dunk.) Here a screen, there a screen, everywhere a screen, screen. Challenging the Heat players to concentrate and to stay aggressive — challenges that the somnambulant visitors failed early and often.

If the Mavs' guards could get into the paint at will against the comatose Miami defense, they all showed tremendous restraint and awareness once they got there. Drive-and-dish was the order of the day, and the Mavs' took full advantage of the wide-open perimeter shots thusly generated (making 11 of 16 from beyond the arc, and shooting 56.3 percent overall.)

The Mavs also ran when running was in order — usually after Miami turnovers. They also assaulted the offensive boards.

Did they make any mistakes on offense? The only significant ones were the two times that Devin Harris left his feet to make passes.

The only meaningful weapon missing from Dallas's arsenal was a legitimate post-up game. Both Nowitzki and Stackhouse set up shop in mid-post spots. Dampier scored on his only pivotal play. And Mbenga was 3-for-3 from the left box in the closing minutes. This is a deficiency that could be important in the playoffs as it limits the opportunities of getting an opponents' bigs into foul trouble.

All in all, however, their offense was superb.

Defense

Johnson's game plan at this end of the court was picture-perfect: Have the bigs make timely shows on all screen-and-rolls while behind them, their teammates rotated to protect the middle. Cluster around any ball penetration. Contest wing passes to disrupt the timing and spacing that the Heat required in order to initiate their half-court sets. Poach the passing lanes. Mix up the defense against Shaq — front him, sandwich him, double him on the move (usually with a guard), double him on the catch (ditto), and play him straight up. Judiciously pressure Miami's guards in the backcourt. Push Dwyane Wade into the middle and jump him there. And make the Heat shoot over the Mavs' collapsing defense.

The defensive scheme was perfectly tailored to trump the Heats' shortcomings, i.e., their erratic perimeter shooting. Wade only hit one jumper. Antoine Walker, who was virtually ignored and thereby encouraged to fire away, failed to bag a jumper. James Posey had the dreaded donut, as did another erstwhile sharpshooter, Jason Kapono.

One troubling aspect of the Mavs' collapsing defense was that the Heat did manage to launch numerous undefended shots. (If they were only 2-for-9 from the outskirts, they did shoot 47 percent overall.) Come the playoffs, the Mavs could easily get burned to a crisp by the outside shooting of teams like the Spurs, the Clippers, and the Suns.

Another red flag was raised by the awareness that, besides Dampier, Dallas has no real power defender. While Stackhouse is incredibly strong for a wingman, his defense is infamously weak. And while Nowitzki's rotations cover a lot of space, he's still a swiper and not a banger. Even the swiftest, smartest, and most relentless finesse defenses are at risk when push comes to shove in the playoffs.


But here's the best thing about the Mavs' defense against the Heat: In truth, Dallas has only one authentic shot-blocker in DeSagana Diop, and only one lock-down man-to-man defender in Adrian Griffin. The beauty of the defense devised by Johnson (and ably assisted by Del Harris) was that the rest of the Mavs' ordinary and/or subpar defenders were rarely put in situations where they had to defend somebody one-on-one. Help was usually close at hand or else on the way.

So, then, what are we left with?

The Mavs are indeed a serious contender, but their offensive prowess is still their strongest suit. And, even with the home-court advantage, they lack the muscle and the individual defense to overcome San Antonio in a 7-game series. Should they drop into the No. 4 seed, Dallas' season will end in early May.

The Big D in Dallas is bigger than ever before, but it's not big enough to knock the Spurs out of the saddle.

Charley Rosen is FOXSports.com's NBA analyst and author of 13 books about hoops, the current one being "The pivotal season — How the 1971-72 L.A. Lakers changed the NBA."

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 01:39 AM
wtf is dallas?

phyzik
02-10-2006, 02:10 AM
wtf is dallas?

http://www.warnervideo.com/dallas/download/Dallas_wall_1024x768_B.jpg

http://www.cultureby.com/photos/uncategorized/dallas.jpg

mavsfan1000
02-10-2006, 02:15 AM
Looks like Avery is pulling a Gregg Popovich with this winning streak in February.

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 02:20 AM
umm 2nd round exit for the mavs book it!

Pandaemonaeon
02-10-2006, 03:13 AM
Good article from an unlikely source (Rosen, author of "TAW is the Mavs best defender and he needs to play", September 2005)

mavsfan1000
02-10-2006, 03:29 AM
Good article from an unlikely source (Rosen, author of "TAW is the Mavs best defender and he needs to play", September 2005)
:lol at another person who writes an article without knowing his shit.

SenorSpur
02-10-2006, 03:51 AM
:lol at another person who writes an article without knowing his shit.

It's interesting how if someone only praises the Mavs (justified or not), they are "well-informed". However, if a writer or anyone else on this forum constructively criticizes the Mavs, that person "doesn't know his know their shit".

This writer doesn't appear to have any biases. He gave a balanced viewpoint of the Mavs which included some good things and some not so good things. He heaped a lot of praise on the Mavs. Finally, he punctuated the article with his opinion.

Until the day comes that the Mavs go deep in the playoffs, skepticism will exist.

mavsfan1000
02-10-2006, 04:08 AM
Did you read the article that he wrote about Dallas awhile ago? Tariq Abdul Wahad should get more playing time because he is their best defender? :lol. wtf is that? Anyways this article is off to. In particular Dallas's defense being weak. Dallas has to have the best defensive center combo in the league. Only 2 centers defensive wise I would choose over Diop and Dampier. They are Ben Wallace and Tim Duncan.

Rummpd
02-10-2006, 04:21 AM
Count me as a serious sceptic despite the Mavs current run.

Props to Rosen (and Barkley) who are unafraid to speak the truth. When healthy, the Spurs due to the brilliance of Duncan have the singular force that the Mavs cannot contend with - plus they can play any style of basketball.

Moreover, we have not seen the best of the Spurs this year (yet they remain neck and neck with the Mavs)and if they Spurs core is healthy - it will be most unfortunate for Mavs fans to endure another sad early run out of the playoffs in a brutal wake up call against the Spurs.

Even if Mavs take the division Spurs have already shown they can win in Dallas this year, that is the only thing that Rosen is wrong about - for the Spurs, assuming Duncan's condition does not worsen = 1 or 4 seed really no difference. The Spurs will take the Mavs in 5 or 6.




To the Mavs fans it must seem each year like groundhog day, with the Spurs around, but such is life.

Pandaemonaeon
02-10-2006, 04:24 AM
This writer doesn't appear to have any biases. He gave a balanced viewpoint of the Mavs which included some good things and some not so good things. He heaped a lot of praise on the Mavs. Finally, he punctuated the article with his opinion.

No one's disagreeing with him. Actually, he's right and he sums up exactly what's in my mind which is why I'm not too keen on celebrating every Mav win. I'm just surprised that I'm reading well thought-out stuff from someone who was quoted "saying TAW is the Mavs' best defender and deserves to play" as well as other boneheaded milestones.


Until the day comes that the Mavs go deep in the playoffs, skepticism will exist.

That's true. All I'm asking for are points that hit right on the mark. I mean, "great regular season team"? "_allas Mavericks"? You've got to be kidding me if you actually believe this Mavs team doesn't play D at all or they're comparable with the Mavs that faltered on the previous years.

Why not make fun of something substantial like our lack of inside scoring for example? How the opposing teams' backcourt routinely torch us? Our tendency to go one-on-one?

callo1
02-10-2006, 04:32 AM
Did you read the article that he wrote about Dallas awhile ago? Tariq Abdul Wahad should get more playing time because he is their best defender? :lol. wtf is that? Anyways this article is off to. In particular Dallas's defense being weak. Dallas has to have the best defensive center combo in the league. Only 2 centers defensive wise I would choose over Diop and Dampier. They are Ben Wallace and Tim Duncan.


Are you serious??

Lets see...I'd chose Okur, Gasoul, Bosh, Howard, Wallace for starters.

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 04:33 AM
problem with mavs is they have trouble gaurding beno n marks

SenorSpur
02-10-2006, 04:41 AM
Did you read the article that he wrote about Dallas awhile ago? Tariq Abdul Wahad should get more playing time because he is their best defender? :lol. wtf is that?

Oh well, so much for this guy being a credible writer. :spin

callo1
02-10-2006, 04:43 AM
Until the Mav's do anything in the playoffs, they will continue to be doubted and made fun of...GET USED TO IT !!

IT IS JUSTIFIED !!!

We Spurs fans delt with it until we saw our team break through and win a title.

You Mav's fans make it hard for me to remain a homer and route for Texas teams other than my Spurs...all the crying and the "lack of respect" comments need to stop.

Reality check:

Your team hasn't won a damn thing...EVER !!

You can beat the "deepest bench" crap into the ground, because when the playoffs start and the game becomes a half court game with shortened rotations it WON'T MATTER ANYWAY !!

12 game win streaks are great, and you should be excited for your team, but until you string 12 together in May and June it isn't all that impressive. Remember last season when the Spurs went to Dallas and lost by like 40 or something, and all the Mav's fans and players acted like they had one the Finals? Last I checked, the Spurs were still playing in June while the Mav's watched it on television...Get my point??

I REST MY CASE

Pandaemonaeon
02-10-2006, 04:43 AM
Did you read the article that he wrote about Dallas awhile ago? Tariq Abdul Wahad should get more playing time because he is their best defender? :lol. wtf is that?

The sad part is, he edited it two days later :(

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 04:45 AM
should the spurs booked a holiday trip for the mavs and send them the invoice?

Pandaemonaeon
02-10-2006, 07:19 AM
should the spurs booked a holiday trip for the mavs and send them the invoice?

Why are you asking if you already booked it? :lol

LilMissSPURfect
02-10-2006, 08:22 AM
Until the Mav's do anything in the playoffs, they will continue to be doubted and made fun of...GET USED TO IT !!

IT IS JUSTIFIED !!!

We Spurs fans delt with it until we saw our team break through and win a title.

You Mav's fans make it hard for me to remain a homer and route for Texas teams other than my Spurs...all the crying and the "lack of respect" comments need to stop.

Reality check:

Your team hasn't won a damn thing...EVER !!

You can beat the "deepest bench" crap into the ground, because when the playoffs start and the game becomes a half court game with shortened rotations it WON'T MATTER ANYWAY !!

12 game win streaks are great, and you should be excited for your team, but until you string 12 together in May and June it isn't all that impressive. Remember last season when the Spurs went to Dallas and lost by like 40 or something, and all the Mav's fans and players acted like they had one the Finals? Last I checked, the Spurs were still playing in June while the Mav's watched it on television...Get my point??

I REST MY CASE


couldn't have said it better......
[it's called paying your DUES!!!!!]

leemajors
02-10-2006, 08:55 AM
No one's disagreeing with him. Actually, he's right and he sums up exactly what's in my mind which is why I'm not too keen on celebrating every Mav win. I'm just surprised that I'm reading well thought-out stuff from someone who was quoted "saying TAW is the Mavs' best defender and deserves to play" as well as other boneheaded milestones.



That's true. All I'm asking for are points that hit right on the mark. I mean, "great regular season team"? "_allas Mavericks"? You've got to be kidding me if you actually believe this Mavs team doesn't play D at all or they're comparable with the Mavs that faltered on the previous years.

Why not make fun of something substantial like our lack of inside scoring for example? How the opposing teams' backcourt routinely torch us? Our tendency to go one-on-one?


i think the pace at which they are winning is very comparable with the 03 mavs, it's just the way they are winning games which is entirely different. back then they won most of them while giving up 100+ points - i think avery has done a great job making this team think about playing defense, but i don't think they are ready to break through and make the finals quite yet. i think we will learn a lot about this team once the playoffs actually start, but to dismiss them without a thought is foolish, their new style hasn't been tested in a playoff atmosphere yet. my hat is off to you for being objective, unlike some other dallas fans proclaiming damp/diop to be the best defensive center tandem in the league...

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 08:57 AM
so do they want our championship or the belts we won from the pistons?

Oh, Gee!!
02-10-2006, 10:05 AM
If the Mavs happen to get to the finals, they would be killed by the Pistons in 4 games.

boutons_
02-10-2006, 10:15 AM
Mavs "killed by the Pistons in 4 games."

nah, 5 minimum, maybe 6, but probably not 7. Mavs blew out Pistons @DAL by nearly 40 pts. I figure they would take a 1 or 2 games in 7.

BlueShark#6
02-10-2006, 10:20 AM
yeah the suns were talked about alot last year and those chumps got reamed by the champs...eff dallas!

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 11:52 AM
lets hope dallas become like the suns in the playoffs and we play with the same approach and punk these clowns,

i believe the season series is still a tie 1-1, lets win the other game and play mind games with avery in the final game of the season series, who knows he mite wear a chicken suit.

T Park
02-10-2006, 12:05 PM
Dallas has to have the best defensive center combo in the league

You have to be doing some serious crack.

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 12:16 PM
dampier+booth < rasho+nazr

5ToolMan
02-10-2006, 12:49 PM
The Spurs center combo is Nesto, Nazr, Duncan and on some nights a few minutes from Oberto.

The clown who says the Mavs have the best center combo in the league must have also believed Dampier a few years ago when he said he was the 2nd best center in the NBA, slightly below Shaq at his prime. :lol :lol

nkdlunch
02-10-2006, 12:52 PM
Dampier is a pussy. He won't even look at Shaq straight in the eye :lol

he's not only a pussy he's a damp pussy

TDMVPDPOY
02-10-2006, 12:55 PM
the reason why teh mavs will choke in the playoffs cose they got KVH on the team.

pache100
02-10-2006, 12:57 PM
the reason why teh mavs will choke in the playoffs cose they got KVH on the team.

:lol :tu

Supergirl
02-10-2006, 01:01 PM
Hahaha. Laughing about Diop and Dampier being the top centers in the NBA.

While I give major props to Dallas for picking up Diop on the cheap - he was a steal - they also lose points for overpaying an overrated, inconsistent center like Dampier.

After Shaq and Duncan, the other top centers include Z in Cleveland, Okur, Gasol, Brad Miller, Elton Brand (who, like Duncan, is really more of a center) and Ben Wallace. All of them are better than Dallas's centers. Rasho is also better defensively than Dampier or Diop. Hell, Chris Kaman is better than Dampier. Maybe not Diop, it's a tough call.

SenorSpur
02-10-2006, 06:22 PM
The Spurs center combo is Nesto, Nazr, Duncan and on some nights a few minutes from Oberto.

The clown who says the Mavs have the best center combo in the league must have also believed Dampier a few years ago when he said he was the 2nd best center in the NBA, slightly below Shaq at his prime. :lol :lol

Ouch! Swatted out to half court :lol