Rumor: Vince Young bombs the Wonderlic

[ShoogarBear]

Link (http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060226/SPORTS01/602260387/1328/SPORTS)

Young's test result a wonder to scouts

Texas quarterback Vince Young isn't working out at the NFL Combine, but if the buzz here yesterday is true, he may have hurt his draft status significantly without throwing a football.

With pro prospects running and jumping inside the RCA Dome, word outside began to spread that Young scored a six on the Wonderlic test given to prospects.
The 12-minute, 50-multiple choice question test is just one factor teams look at when gauging a player's intelligence. The average score for an NFL prospect is roughly 19.

The NFL doesn't make Wonderlic scores public.

Most draft experts viewed Young as a Top 3 pick. A low Wonderlic score, however, could result in him sliding in the draft if teams believe he is not capable of grasping the myriad of responsibilities of an NFL quarterback.

Players are allowed to take the test multiple times, so Young could take the test again. Word is USC quarterback Matt Leinart scored a 35 on the test, while the results for Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler were unknown. Cutler scored in the upper-20s on the test before the NFL Combine.

[j-6]

Link (http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060226/SPORTS01/602260387/1328/SPORTS)

Young's test result a wonder to scouts

Texas quarterback Vince Young isn't working out at the NFL Combine, but if the buzz here yesterday is true, he may have hurt his draft status significantly without throwing a football.

With pro prospects running and jumping inside the RCA Dome, word outside began to spread that Young scored a six on the Wonderlic test given to prospects.
The 12-minute, 50-multiple choice question test is just one factor teams look at when gauging a player's intelligence. The average score for an NFL prospect is roughly 19.

The NFL doesn't make Wonderlic scores public.

Most draft experts viewed Young as a Top 3 pick. A low Wonderlic score, however, could result in him sliding in the draft if teams believe he is not capable of grasping the myriad of responsibilities of an NFL quarterback.

Players are allowed to take the test multiple times, so Young could take the test again. Word is USC quarterback Matt Leinart scored a 35 on the test, while the results for Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler were unknown. Cutler scored in the upper-20s on the test before the NFL Combine.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html


Charlie Wonderlic Jr., president of Wonderlic Inc., says, "A score of 10 is literacy, that's about all we can say."

:wow

[King]

COMBINE OFFICIAL SCREWED UP VINCE'S WONDERLIC

A league source tells us that Texas quarterback Vince Young indeed scored a six on the Wonderlic test on Saturday -- but that the guy who graded the test screwed the thing up when totaling the number of right answers.

Combine officials, we're told, have re-scored the Young's test and the test of all other players who took it in his group. NFL teams will get the official Wonderlic results for all players later in the week.

On Saturday, there was widespread chatter at the combine that Young got only six out of 50 questions right on the standard test used by the NFL to gauge player intelligence. The Nashville Tennessean corroborated the reports of the low score in its Sunday edition.

Whether the actual number was 6 or 50 or something in between remains to be seen.

It's a major embarrassment, in our view, for the folks who put on the combine. Because it's inevitable that this information will get out (indeed, Pro Football Weekly got their mitts on the full Wonderlic results from the 2005 combine), it's critical that the folks charged with grading the tests get it right.

It's even more important that the scores are right before the information is leaked.

We have a feeling that this one could get interesting. Stay tuned.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Latest News

Feb. 27, 2006 - 8:15 am et

Vince Young scored a 16 on the Wonderlic after re-taking it Sunday.
That's still a low score for a quarterback, but not as mind-numbing as the 6 that was originally reported. A mistake was reportedly made correcting his original test. The lowest score any NFL starting quarterback who started in 2005 was J.P. Losman's 14. This shouldn't be a huge factor in Young's draft status.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=NFL&id=3602

[Pistons < Spurs]

LOL


http://www.profootballtalk.com/PFTVince.jpg

[Mr Dio]

Oh my Gosh!
I guess he will no longer be a MULTI-Millionaire. :lol

[Sec24Row7]

lol take the sample test at ESPN page2

I scored higher than 6 on just 15 questions lol.

[ShoogarBear]

So now the question is: what was the Wonderlic score for the guy doing the scoring?

[Marklar MM]

pooey...I got 11

[Shawn Carter]

Espn has the Wonderlic sample questions. I took it and i got 10 out of 15 right, not getting to finish the last two questions in time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=020228test

[FromWayDowntown]

Tim Duncan's Scoring Average > Vince Young's Wonderlic Average

[ShoogarBear]

ShoogarBear = 15/15

Where's my contract? :smokin

[Horry For 3!]

Espn has the Wonderlic sample questions. I took it and i got 10 out of 15 right, not getting to finish the last two questions in time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=020228test
I got 13 of 15.

[Horry For 3!]

ShoogarBear = 15/15

Where's my contract? :smokin
You might be smart, but you have no athletic ability... :lol

[ShoogarBear]

You might be smart, but you have no athletic ability... :lol

Too bad puttin' it to your mama ain't a sport . . . :smokin

[Horry For 3!]

Too bad puttin' it to your mama ain't a sport . . . :smokin
:lmao :lol :lmao :lol

[baseline bum]

14... damn, fucking question about seasons.

[Joepa]

13 of 15 for me.

How many spots do you think this will drop him?

[Spurologist]

13 of 15 for me.

How many spots do you think this will drop him?

Young must not have cared about taking the test because the questions look easy. I wouldn't care if he scored 0 on it. If I was a GM, I would still draft him very high (top 5). Does a quarterback really need to know what the ninth month of the year is. Come on. Of course melo drama is going spread over this. Give me a fucking break. Play football. I think McNair got like a 17 on it.

[ShoogarBear]

I would love to see the Wonderlic scores of a bunch of QBs, including the following:

Tom Brady
Bret Favre
Ryan Leaf
Quincy Carter
John Elway
Ben Rothleswhatever
Michael Vick

I wouldn't be surprised to find the whole Wonderlic thing is a bunch of crap uncorrelated to anything, and somebody has just been bilking the NFL.

[Horry For 3!]

I would love to see the Wonderlic scores of a bunch of QBs, including the following:

Tom Brady
Bret Favre
Ryan Leaf
Quincy Carter
John Elway
Ben Rothleswhatever
Michael Vick

I wouldn't be surprised to find the whole Wonderlic thing is a bunch of crap uncorrelated to anything, and somebody has just been bilking the NFL.
They showed scores on Brady, Favre, Elway in another thread somewhere, let me find it.

[Horry For 3!]

Stewart, Kordell 12
Hasselbeck, Matt 29
McNabb, Donovan 16, 12
Manning, Eli 39

* Pat McInally, punter — 50
* Kevin Curtis, wide receiver — 48
* Alex Smith, quarterback — 40
* Brian Griese, quarterback — 39
* Eli Manning, quarterback — 39
* Akili Smith, quarterback — 37 (suspected of cheating; scored 15 on first attempt)
* Matt Leinart, quarterback — 35
* Tom Brady, quarterback — 33
* Steve Young, quarterback — 33
* John Elway, quarterback — 30
* Mike Mamula, defensive end — 49
* Peyton Manning, quarterback — 28
* Troy Aikman, quarterback — 29
* Ben Roethlisberger, quarterback — 25
* David Carr, quarterback — 24
* Brett Favre, quarterback — 22
* Michael Vick, quarterback — 20
* Vinny Testaverde, quarterback — 18
* Antwaan Randle El, wide receiver — 17
* Dan Marino, quarterback — 16
* Vince Young, quarterback — 16 (unknown score on first attempt; rumored to be 6)
* Randall Cunningham, quarterback — 15
* Jeff George, quarterback — 10

[Horry For 3!]

Cunningham & Marino got 15, 16 and look how bad ass they turned out. The test doesn't really mean shit.

[ShoogarBear]

Thanks.

Jeff George was an asshole, but had a decent career. Certainly a better one than Brian Griese.

I would still love to know what Leaf and Carter scored, since they're probably the biggest QB busts of modern times.

[scott]

I posted a bunch of QB scores in the "Vince Young Official Website" thread in the college forum. Quincy Carter got a 30.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35223&page=2

[Guru of Nothing]

Haha, had Vince scored a 5, he'd be forced into a journalism career.

I keed Lachino.

[Horry For 3!]

Drew Henson got a 42, too bad he sucks.

[Horry For 3!]

Former Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver/punter Pat McInally is the only known player to score a perfect 50. St. Louis Rams backup QB Ryan Fitzpatrick reportedly scored a 50, which was later discovered to be a 38 in a record-setting nine minutes. Both players attended Harvard University.
Harrrrvard

[2centsworth]

caca, 14/15.

[Chris]

Drew Henson got a 42, too bad he sucks.

Too bad he's only 23 and has had virtually zero playing time. Wait until he gets back from NFL Europe and starts for an NFL team before you jump to conclusions about Henson. Look at his college numbers and his stats as a pitcher. They are amazing. Henson will pan out.

[travis2]

:depressed

espn.com is blocked at work...

[Horry For 3!]

Too bad he's only 23 and has had virtually zero playing time. Wait until he gets back from NFL Europe and starts for an NFL team before you jump to conclusions about Henson. Look at his college numbers and his stats as a pitcher. They are amazing. Henson will pan out.
Ehhhh, I don't know.

[ShoogarBear]

ryan leaf got a 37...


Okay, I pretty much rest my case.

[FromWayDowntown]

14; Harvard schools Columbia again -- drats!

[JMarkJohns]

http://imageshack.us/
Crap! Didn't show up. Oh well...

[scott]

New rumor is that Vince did score a 6... not once but twice. The 16 was on his 3rd attempt. Again... just a rumor, most probably completely made up.

[Horry For 3!]

New rumor is that Vince did score a 6... not once but twice. The 16 was on his 3rd attempt. Again... just a rumor, most probably completely made up.
Yup. The media make up a lot of shit.

[scott]

But... word is that the first 6 was legit.

[Horry For 3!]

But... word is that the first 6 was legit.
All I have heard about that is that the grader messed up on the test and that it was not accurate so who knows

[scott]

It's an embarassment for the combine to have that score leaked in the middle of the combine... the Bush administration is not the only team capable of a cover up.

[Mr Dio]

Many diff versions of what happened depending on whom you believe.
Big deal.
VY will still get his $10Mil + signing bonus. :lol

[ShoogarBear]

Many diff versions of what happened depending on whom you believe.
Big deal.
VY will still get his $10Mil + signing bonus. :lol

If that's the bottom line here, sure. So did Ryan Leaf.

[timvp]

Owning the Rose Bowl > Being Able to Read

[Mr Dio]

If that's the bottom line here, sure. So did Ryan Leaf.


Hmmm, is $ the bottom line to athletes????
I'd have to say............................................... ...Claro! :lol

[scott]

I bet even Dubya could get higher than a 6 on the Wonderlic...

[Mr Dio]

That sure is giving W a lot of credit!

[hussker]

I bet even Dubya could get higher than a 6 on the Wonderlic...


Debatable at best

[hussker]

You know, I heard about the Wonderlic flub...if it is even true, and figured I would chime in and slam VY. Problem is, who cares? Could the Wonderlic dude "nut up" vs THE Ohio State University TWICE and the second coming of the Football Apostles from TUSC? In the words of Stephen A Smith, "Quite frankly, I say ...NO!". Dead issue. VY is a winner, VY is the Shit, VY will be an NFL superstar, VY is a TARGET from the posh bitches who think that GLAM only runs through SOCAL. Screw them all.

VY goes to the TITANS number three and that does TWO very big things...Makes VY a future SB winner and HOF'er and makes Steve "Air" McNair an NFL QB Coach that GETS VY to that level...first on the field and then off of it.

Wonderlic that shit!

Jay Cutler WHO?

[gtownspur]

Wait to represent for the University of Fuckbraska and it's fellow CornFuskers!

[Obstructed_View]

So Vince Young can't read. Big deal. UT gets the best talent because they don't care if they graduate or not. It's not Vince's fault, but he's been overrated and as teams come down from the Rose Bowl high they see Vince for what he was before the Rose Bowl: A first round QB that may or may not have first round QB ability. It's not surprising that teams are looking for a reason not to have to pick him in the top 5. If it weren't the test, they'd find something else. This very well may not have been anything other than an attempt to force him to work out.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Interesting takes...

If I'm Cutler, Leinart, or VY, I hold out and re-enter next year's draft. There is a possibility that these guys could double their money by waiting for the uncapped year...

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Interesting takes...

If I'm Cutler, Leinart, or VY, I hold out and re-enter next year's draft. There is a possibility that these guys could double their money by waiting for the uncapped year...

Also possibility of injury, or stock going down.

[ShoogarBear]

Also possibility of injury, or stock going down.

Not that I agree with sitting out a year, but unless they played Arena football, how are they going to have a high risk of injury?

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Not that I agree with sitting out a year, but unless they played Arena football, how are they going to have a high risk of injury?

I thought he meant stay in college 1 more year. What is the minimum contract rookies are allowed to sign in the NFL?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I thought he meant stay in college 1 more year. What is the minimum contract rookies are allowed to sign in the NFL?

That's the thing. This year there still is a rookie cap. Next year, the number can be whatever the two sides negotiate...

Minimum salary will be a little more than $230,000(last year's #) this year. In an uncapped year, there is no minimum...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Not that I agree with sitting out a year, but unless they played Arena football, how are they going to have a high risk of injury?

From a financial standpoint, why sign a bad deal this year when you know next year could be a windfall for you?

If no CBA is reached, expect long holdouts for a lot of teams this year...

[ShoogarBear]

I thought he meant stay in college 1 more year. What is the minimum contract rookies are allowed to sign in the NFL?

I think the only one of those three who could have stayed is Vince. And he has an agent now.

So . . . if they're willig to live off just endorsement money for now, sitting out a year may get a big payoff.

On the other hand, if it works out to be a capped year like every other, they may screw themselves.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

How many years does a rookie contract have to be?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

How many years does a rookie contract have to be?


There is no limit to terms under 6 years, which I believe is the max. Most 1st-3rd RD draft picks sign 6 year deals. This year, it's only 4 years, which limits the amount teams will be willing to offer in SB money and add to that half the teams are in serious cap trouble...

The deadline is tonight at 10 PM. If no agreement is reached by that time, 2007 will be an uncapped year. If an agreement is reached after that, it will not take effect until 2008...

[Obstructed_View]

Interesting takes...

If I'm Cutler, Leinart, or VY, I hold out and re-enter next year's draft. There is a possibility that these guys could double their money by waiting for the uncapped year...
Young's stock will never be higher than it is right now. Every day that passes he slips a little further toward where he was before the Rose Bowl.

[Peter]

Young is what he is. The reason his stock soared after the Rose Bowl was because a Texas win meant it much more likely that he'd enter the draft.

[Extra Stout]

New rumor is that Vince did score a 6... not once but twice. The 16 was on his 3rd attempt. Again... just a rumor, most probably completely made up.

The agent for that QB out of Vanderbilt likely is the one spreading the rumors.

Dear Vince,

Why the hell haven't you fired your "management team" of family members and friends, and hired some real professionals to represent you? This stuff in the media is taking millions of dollars out of your pocket RIGHT NOW.

This has been going on all week, yet I see negligible evidence of damage control. Vince is letting rubes run his business. The team that drafts him is going to be licking its chops come contract time. Can you say "Ricky Williams/Master P?"

[Obstructed_View]

To be honest, is a 16 really that much more impressive than 6 when 10 is the adult literacy line?

[Extra Stout]

To be honest, is a 16 really that much more impressive than 6 when 10 is the adult literacy line?
Well, 19 is the NFL average, and 16 is what Dan Marino got. So it doesn't really stand out as a terrible score the way a 6 would.

[Peter]

The agent for that QB out of Vanderbilt likely is the one spreading the rumors.

Dear Vince,

Why the hell haven't you fired your "management team" of family members and friends, and hired some real professionals to represent you? This stuff in the media is taking millions of dollars out of your pocket RIGHT NOW.

This has been going on all week, yet I see negligible evidence of damage control. Vince is letting rubes run his business. The team that drafts him is going to be licking its chops come contract time. Can you say "Ricky Williams/Master P?"

Exactly. All they'd have to do is say something like "We can offer you $20 mil guaranteed, but if you'll take $5 mil then if you meet these performance requirements we'll give you $75 mil or whatever".

[hussker]

Wait to represent for the University of Fuckbraska and it's fellow CornFuskers!


I LOVE you too gts...BUT, you should not use my images to project your thoughts like that! SHAME ON YOU!

[Obstructed_View]

Well, 19 is the NFL average, and 16 is what Dan Marino got. So it doesn't really stand out as a terrible score the way a 6 would.
Well, Marino was like the fifth QB selected in the draft. Besides, how many super bowls did he end up winning? :)

[scott]

Well... it's official... Vince Young DID NOT score a 6 on his first attempt...

He scored a 7!!!

[timvp]

Well... it's official... Vince Young DID NOT score a 6 on his first attempt...

He scored a 7!!!

Link?

[scott]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11690532/page/3/