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DieMrBond
03-03-2006, 03:24 AM
Eleven points after showdown
By Royce Webb
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060303

It was a statement game, so let's turn it up to 11 and sort out the statements we can make after the San Antonio Spurs' 98-89 victory over the Dallas Mavericks.

1. The Mavericks are afraid of the Spurs, but not afraid enough.

The Mavs are too good to be shaking-in-their-boots afraid of anyone (especially since they've already demolished both the Spurs and Pistons this season), but on Thursday they were scared enough to come out supercharged and take a 26-14 lead. That fast start showed their talent and spirit, and, yes, their confidence, but it was also a sign of their nervous energy.

But they relaxed a bit in the second quarter, as teams normally do when they take a lead. When that happened, they made eight turnovers and allowed the Spurs to move methodically within a basket by halftime and eventually to move inexorably ahead.

A little success is a dangerous thing.

2. The Spurs aren't afraid of the Pistons.

While the game was billed as a referendum on the Mavs' progress, it was also a chance to take a close look at the champs: Do they still have it? Are they now a step behind the Detroit Pistons?

This game was a reminder of just what the Spurs can do when they are in a tough game.

Lest we forget, in the biggest NBA game of the last decade, the Spurs handled the Pistons in the type of game that Detroit is supposedly built for. In deciding games between San Antonio and Detroit, the Spurs are 1-0, and the Pistons are 0-1.

Which is why the battle for home-court advantage is unusually intense this year.

3. The Spurs still have it, but they won't have it much longer.

It's often said that the Spurs are young enough to win several more titles (and Detroit fans will tell you the same thing about the Pistons), but I don't see it. Oh, sure, they should compete at the top level for at least a couple more years, but they really aren't that young.

Duncan is 30 next month. Ginobili is 28 and, like Duncan, slowed by injury. Bruce Bowen is almost 35. Finley, 32. Barry, 34. Van Exel, 34. Horry, 35.

They have exactly one young player: Tony Parker, age 23.

Some of their struggles on Thursday were age- and health-related.

The future in now in San Antonio.

4. The Phoenix Suns had to like what they saw.

The Western Conference finals were tighter last year than they seemed -- the Spurs won 4-1, but four of the games were very close. And don't forget: The Suns played part of the series without Joe Johnson, and they were coming off a grueling series with the Mavs.

This year, the tables are turned. The Spurs and Mavs, barring a first-round upset, will meet in the conference semifinals, and it's clear that series will be a donnybrook. Meanwhile, the Suns have a relatively easy path to the conference finals.

Not only that, but the Suns have shown they can run on the Spurs, and they have to be more confident of that than ever after watching the Spurs struggle at times to deal with the speed of Dallas.

Now the Suns just need to get Amare Stoudemire out of his casual business attire.

5. Robert Horry is Tree Rollins.

OK, maybe he didn't really sink his teeth into Jerry Stackhouse's arm, but his playful bite during the fourth quarter skirmish had to bring back nightmares for Danny Ainge.

6. Bruce Bowen is a man.

What did the amazing defense he played on Dirk Nowitzki demonstrate?

Why he's on the preliminary Team USA squad, that's what.

7. The jury is out on Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel.

Finley has been lousy this season, with 39 percent shooting despite what are supposed to be wide-open shots produced by the Duncan-centric offense.

But on Thursday, he was solid, with 15 points on 5-of-9 shooting, including three big baskets in the fourth quarter.

Van Exel hasn't been much better than Finley this year, and on Thursday he almost killed the Spurs with his atrocious 0-for-6 goose egg.

See prior point about age -- it happens to the best of them.

But, to be fair, for Finley and Van Exel the season will be decided in May and June. If they hit a few timely, Horry-type bombs then, their season-long struggles will be forgotten.

Which leads us to a related point:

8. The Spurs' Achilles heel may again be 3-point shooting.

When the Spurs have come up short in recent years, it's often been because their perimeter shooting has let them down. In 2004, Hedo Turkoglu and Bruce Bowen couldn't sink open 3s against the Lakers, allowing L.A. to steal the series.

On Thursday, the Spurs were 4-for-12 (just 33 percent), which proves nothing.

But it has to be a concern, because in their offense the ability to hit the 3 is critical.

9. These teams believe in the teardrop.

Or the runner. Or the floater.

Whatever you want to call it, you could see on Thursday how much a strategic part of the game the short, running, one-handed jumper is for the Spurs and the Mavs.

And we saw some absolute masters: Tony Parker, who deserves a spot in the Cousy-Douglas-Nash Hall of Fame, and Jason Terry, the Mavs' resident expert, for whom Dallas coach Avery Johnson will even draw up teardrops in the huddle (including on one game-winning play this season).

But we also saw runners from Tim Duncan, Nazr Mohammed and Bruce Bowen, and they are a staple of Manu Ginobili and Keith Van Horn, too, among others.

There are lots of reasons we don't see as many midrange jumpers in the NBA as we used to, but one reason we don't is that they're not high percentage (or highly efficient) shots. As the three best teams in the West (San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix) demonstrate, driving into the lane for short shots is a much better strategy than settling for a longer 2-pointer.

10. We need to have Reggie Miller broadcast a Spurs game so he can break down Manu Ginobili's technique for drawing fouls.

It would be the best episode of "Inside the Actors Studio" ever.

11. This was a big game, but not for the reasons everyone said.

Do you think we'll still be talking about a March 2 game when the playoffs start? Me neither.

And between now and the postseason, we still have a Mavs-Pistons game (March 28) to go as well as another Mavs-Spurs game (April 7 on ESPN). So this game will be ancient history.

And do you think the Mavs are going to be crushed, or even shaken, by this loss? Of course not. They'll just try to learn from it, and come back more resolved. That's the way it works. Good teams learn from failure.

No, this game was big for one reason: The result was a potential three-game swing. Had the Mavs pulled it out, they would have had a two-game lead in the West and held the tiebreaker, at least temporarily.

Now, instead, the Spurs and Mavs are tied, and the Spurs have the tiebreaker (a 2-1 lead in the season series).

Twenty-five games to go. Home court and the No. 1 seed at stake. Can't wait to see how it shakes out.

word
03-03-2006, 03:49 AM
What a convoluted mess that is.

DannyT
03-03-2006, 04:47 AM
i just read this shit and number seven stood out too me...

Van Exel hasn't been much better than Finley this year, and on Thursday he almost killed the Spurs with his atrocious 0-for-6 goose egg.

SouthernFried
03-03-2006, 04:58 AM
I don't think you can compare NVE to Finley at all. Finley has come up big for us in several games...NVE has come up big for us, in no games.

Play Beno.

TDMVPDPOY
03-03-2006, 05:20 AM
i dont understand with number4, they make as if JOE JOHNSON is there saviour or superhero who can turn games around, the guy is shit, i dont care if was playin or not the spurs wouldve demolished the sons. Its the same with this season about amare, they make its sound like amare is god or jordan or sumshit, too me the dude hasnt even played competitive ball since from injury, atm its all talk. Just love it how the suns love to brag and shit, just when the spurs will wipe that shit all over their faces.

reader
03-03-2006, 05:57 AM
Um, TDM, perhaps you did not get the notice. Those comments are from ESPN, not a Suns fan. Just in case you missed that bit.

samikeyp
03-03-2006, 09:09 AM
Be-no! Be-no! Be-no!

carina_gino20
03-03-2006, 10:12 AM
Eleven points after showdown
By Royce Webb
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060303


4. The Phoenix Suns had to like what they saw.
And don't forget: The Suns played part of the series without Joe Johnson, and they were coming off a grueling series with the Mavs.

10. We need to have Reggie Miller broadcast a Spurs game so he can break down Manu Ginobili's technique for drawing fouls.

It would be the best episode of "Inside the Actors Studio" ever.


absolute BS :idiot

Peter
03-03-2006, 10:18 AM
The age on the perimeter is somewhat of a concern. The difference with the age of '99-'02 is that the Spurs have old guys on the perimeter who were once major talents in the league and are still pretty damn good. It's not going to doom them this season. The key will be adding a couple of pieces over the next couple of seasons to refresh it.

G-Nob
03-03-2006, 10:40 AM
Marc Stein is the former mavs beat writer for the dallas morning news so he can't hide his pom poms on this one.

nkdlunch
03-03-2006, 11:21 AM
marc stein? marc didn't write this crap. Marc Stein has brains.

Rummpd
03-03-2006, 12:11 PM
Sirs:

As usual ESPN while overall complimenting many things with the Spurs made several mis-statements:

1) Three point shooters - no worries there the Spurs with Manu, Horry, Bowen (one of the leagues very best), Barry and Beno Urich (who will reappear in the rotation) etc. can light up the three as well as anyone in the league and sooner or later Van Exel will hit again.
2) Age - the Spurs are stacked in oversees players in France, Lithuania and other players awaiting on the sidelines and the Spurs always pick up the components to get it done. Plus veteran teams win and this team has at least 3-4 more season in it, particularly since historically big men stay strong into their mid 30s.
3) The Suns ought to be trembling after last night - the Spurs showed the same poise and smack down attitude that hammered the Suns last year 4-1 and even though the Suns are seemingly improved, even with Amare back they have a long, long way to go to match this Spurs club. Bowen simply manhandles Marion their best current player, Parker is playing at as high as level as Nash,and on and on. If Duncan is at all healthy this will be another 4-1 or 4-2 relatively easy series for the tested Spurs. Furthermore, the Suns are very beatable by many teams in the West, with or without Stoudemire who will be a defensive liability. Plus the Spurs, as they proved last year can also run on the Suns.
4) Ginobili did not flop A SINGLE TIME last night (while Dirk did on a sublime call to get three foul shots - were you listening to Cuban whine again). There are many players that "flop" better or as well as Manu, it is his intelligence to be a savy player that speaks volumns - any team in the league with him on the floor is automatically improved.

5) Johnson looked like a rookie coach our there last night - where was Devin Harris and when is he going to realize that every moment that the soft Keith Van Horn is on the floor is gravy time for the Spurs?

Please, as a world leader in sports - one would expect a more solid and accurate commentary on the real situation = Spurs healthy and motivated they walk
through the West despite what you and others are manufacturing about the Suns or the Mavs in the past several weeks.

Peter D. Rumm, MD
Wayne, PA

FromWayDowntown
03-03-2006, 12:27 PM
Sirs:

As usual ESPN while overall complimenting many things with the Spurs made several mis-statements:

1) Three point shooters - no worries there the Spurs with Manu, Horry, Bowen (one of the leagues very best), Barry and Beno Urich (who will reappear in the rotation) etc. can light up the three as well as anyone in the league and sooner or later Van Exel will hit again.
2) Age - the Spurs are stacked in oversees players in France, Lithuania and other players awaiting on the sidelines and the Spurs always pick up the components to get it done. Plus veteran teams win and this team has at least 3-4 more season in it, particularly since historically big men stay strong into their mid 30s.
3) The Suns ought to be trembling after last night - the Spurs showed the same poise and smack down attitude that hammered the Suns last year 4-1 and even though the Suns are seemingly improved, even with Amare back they have a long, long way to go to match this Spurs club. Bowen simply manhandles Marion their best current player, Parker is playing at as high as level as Nash,and on and on. If Duncan is at all healthy this will be another 4-1 or 4-2 relatively easy series for the tested Spurs. Furthermore, the Suns are very beatable by many teams in the West, with or without Stoudemire who will be a defensive liability. Plus the Spurs, as they proved last year can also run on the Suns.
4) Ginobili did not flop A SINGLE TIME last night (while Dirk did on a sublime call to get three foul shots - were you listening to Cuban whine again). There are many players that "flop" better or as well as Manu, it is his intelligence to be a savy player that speaks volumns - any team in the league with him on the floor is automatically improved.

5) Johnson looked like a rookie coach our there last night - where was Devin Harris and when is he going to realize that every moment that the soft Keith Van Horn is on the floor is gravy time for the Spurs?

Please, as a world leader in sports - one would expect a more solid and accurate commentary on the real situation = Spurs healthy and motivated they walk
through the West despite what you and others are manufacturing about the Suns or the Mavs in the past several weeks.

Peter D. Rumm, MD
Wayne, PA

You're just encouraging them.

And the criticism about not using Harris is misplaced, since Harris was sitting behind the Mavericks bench conforming to the dress code. Awfully difficult for AJ to make much use of a guy who wasn't even suited up.

spurs_fan_in_exile
03-03-2006, 12:28 PM
Was Devin Harris suited up last night? I thought I saw him in a suit on the bench. As for Van Horn-there's no excuse for having that guy in there in the fourth. I don't care if it means you're going with a five guard line up.

leemajors
03-03-2006, 12:29 PM
devin harris was out with a thigh injury i believe...

GoSpurs21
03-03-2006, 01:26 PM
I don't think you can compare NVE to Finley at all. Finley has come up big for us in several games...NVE has come up big for us, in no games.

Play Beno.but TiMVP thinks Nick single handedly got the Spurs under control in the 2nd quarter

Nick sucks...free Beno, he's younger, faster, not affraid to take it to the hoop and makes his shot more often

wildbill2u
03-03-2006, 03:59 PM
Anyone can argue about player ages in so many ways.

If you write about a young team that averages under 28 then they need the maturity of a crafty veteran.

If you write about a team whose starters average over 30, then whether they are stars are not, you talk about them 'losing a step.'

And the same goes for the bench. It's all crap. The player either brings it or he doesn't. Except for NVE, I like the team we have--for this year I don't think we could have had a better one. Next year will be another story with several players gone through trades or ending contracts.

Peter
03-03-2006, 04:16 PM
but TiMVP thinks Nick single handedly got the Spurs under control in the 2nd quarter

Nick sucks...free Beno, he's younger, faster, not affraid to take it to the hoop and makes his shot more often



...and he gives up the rock under pressure. NVE did help to get the Spurs back in the game last night.

GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
03-03-2006, 04:28 PM
but TiMVP thinks Nick single handedly got the Spurs under control in the 2nd quarter

Nick sucks...free Beno, he's younger, faster, not affraid to take it to the hoop and makes his shot more often


What were you watching when the spurs were in the finals last year?

Mr. Body
03-03-2006, 07:53 PM
Age looks worse this year because Duncan and Ginobili have looked so hobbled. The key bench players are at the end of their careers: Horry, Finley, Van Exel. The Spurs brought in no young'n rookies (Oberto is 30).

IF Duncan and Ginobili can start looking their age (which is their prime), if in the next year or so they can re-tool the bench with young, hungry and athletic players, then they should go for another 3-4 years.

Rummpd
03-03-2006, 10:10 PM
Ok mistake about Harris but Keith Van Horn and Stackhouse are black holes in crunch time!

Ed Helicopter Jones
03-03-2006, 11:28 PM
The author obviously doesn't pay very close attention to the Spurs recipe for success over the years.

milkyway21
03-04-2006, 12:04 AM
11. This was a big game, but not for the reasons everyone said.

Do you think we'll still be talking about a March 2 game when the playoffs start? Me neither.

And between now and the postseason, we still have a Mavs-Pistons game (March 28) to go as well as another Mavs-Spurs game (April 7 on ESPN). So this game will be ancient history.

And do you think the Mavs are going to be crushed, or even shaken, by this loss? Of course not. They'll just try to learn from it, and come back more resolved. That's the way it works. Good teams learn from failure.

don't care if they take it a non-statement game. Ending the Mavs streak and bring back Cuban and some Mavs fans to Earth is what matters most to me. Spurs still got what it takes to repeat this year despite Duncan and Manu's injuries.


but they really aren't that young.

Duncan is 30 next month. Ginobili is 28 and, like Duncan, slowed by injury. Bruce Bowen is almost 35. Finley, 32. Barry, 34. Van Exel, 34. Horry, 35.

They have exactly one young player: Tony Parker, age 23.

Some of their struggles on Thursday were age- and health-related
huh, they completely forgotten Ian Mahinmi. and this team being successful and unselfish is still the one of the top choices for any young NBA player come trading/FA signings.

pjjrfan
03-04-2006, 04:57 PM
I just think that it was more important to the Mavs to win than it was for the Spurs. Although both teams viewed this game as important, it was more vital for the Mavs to win as I believe the Spurs could handle a loss. It remains to see how this will affect the Mavs. It would seem to me that the loss was especially disheartning because Manu and Tim did not play well and the Mavs got beat in the same methodical way that the Spurs have been beating them the last 3 or 4 years.