is this good news?NVE will sit 'til playoffs

[milkyway21]

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said Thursday that he's considering sitting Nick Van Exel until the playoffs to see if prolonged rest would help his troublesome left elbow.

Van Exel has bone chips in the elbow, which is on his primary shooting arm, and likely will need surgery after the season. He's been in and out of the lineup the past two months depending on how sore he feels.

Meaning: Beno is our man as backup PG.

i think this is good news.

[midgetonadonkey]

Beno is playing better than NVE has all season. This is good news.

[T Park]

bad news if you want to win a championship.


Turnover Beno will strike again.

[phyzik]

bad news if you want to win a championship.


Turnover Beno will strike again.


calm down chicken little....

The sky is not fucking falling.... If you revert to your former last season self do not expect any credibility.

[zocool16]

i think it is good news... UNLESS (The man has a point, Beno Udrih DID have a shaky dribble in the playoffs last year) Beno hasn't overcome his pressure defense problems. Beno has a nice shot and PG vision. He seems to be the most consistent three point shooter the team has along with Manu and Bruce.

[T Park]

wtf are you talking about?

[T Park]

Best pure shooter on the team.

Great offensive point guard.

Mediocre to bad defensively.


Horrible against good defensive pressure, wich will come against teams like the
Clippers, Lakers, rockets, Mavericks, Pistons, Suns.

Pretty much any team in the playoffs, will put a huge amount of pressure on the ball when Beno is in, and Beno will give it up faster than Bill Clinton with Nuclear secrets to China.

[phyzik]

wtf are you talking about?


I refuse to let you slip into your dementia again. You know damn Well Beno is a much more viable option AT LEAST until NVE can get his shit together. I STILL have yet to see him turn it over recently as you so frequently proclaim he does.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, if we can get everyone to play D like Phoenix , we can let Nazr run the point.

[milkyway21]

bad news if you want to win a championship.


Turnover Beno will strike again.TPark, I think you forgot the fact that Beno was still a rookie last yr.

Give him a break. :angel

[timvp]

Not good news. You never want injuries. If Beno gets Lindsey Huntered again, you want someone to turn to.

[Peter]

What the hell has Beno Udrih done in the L? As much as people love to sniff Kerr's jock in here you would think the experienced vet would get the nod. The last thing we need is Boy Wonder getting rattled again and tossing his cookies in a Finals game on the road. I have never understood how some of you think that some run against whoever in early March makes him ready for that pressure. This is about winning championships not about whatever crush you guys have on players. NVE was brought in specifically for the postseason. Deal with it.

[T Park]

What the hell has Beno Udrih done in the L? As much as people love to sniff Kerr's jock in here you would think the experienced vet would get the nod. The last thing we need is Boy Wonder getting rattled again and tossing his cookies.

Spot on.

Great post as usual SF.

[krinkx]

beno knows spurs plays more than nve... i think he's more mature now... he will deliver...

[spurfan 21]

its sad to see people still not have faith in beno he is way better on both sides of the ball yes NVE was brought on for the playoffs but that boy sucks ass on D no question beno is getting better every day remember he's in his second year and learning i remember ginobili was a rook and parker in his second year and we one a championship so relax take some valium and chill :drunk :drunk

[T Park]

wtf.......

[Obstructed_View]

What the hell has Beno Udrih done in the L? As much as people love to sniff Kerr's jock in here you would think the experienced vet would get the nod. The last thing we need is Boy Wonder getting rattled again and tossing his cookies in a Finals game on the road. I have never understood how some of you think that some run against whoever in early March makes him ready for that pressure. This is about winning championships not about whatever crush you guys have on players. NVE was brought in specifically for the postseason. Deal with it.
How is wanting to develop a young player with talent about having a crush on anyone? How did Tony Parker develop in this league? Oh yeah, Pop put him in the fucking game and let him make mistakes. Did he develop? Looks like. If Beno isn't ready by the playoffs then by all means keep him off the roster, but don't just keep him out of the game because you are afraid he might make a mistake.

Besides, handling pressure isn't a player thing, it's a coaching and gameplan thing. With as many players as can supposedly handle the ball on this team it seems stupid to waste a young player's other abilities because you don't recognize that the other team has put their defensive specialist on the floor against your rookie. That's like inbounding the ball to Duncan at the end of a close game and being surprised that he's not a good free throw shooter.

I'm not going to sit here and say "have faith in him", but I will say, "throw his ass in the water and see if he can swim."

[spurfan 21]

wtf.......
im not sayin beno is better than those boys by any means but he is way better than NVE this year and u know it

[velik_m]

Not good news. You never want injuries.


:tu

[milkyway21]

How is wanting to develop a young player with talent about having a crush on anyone? How did Tony Parker develop in this league? Oh yeah, Pop put him in the fucking game and let him make mistakes. Did he develop? Looks like. If Beno isn't ready by the playoffs then by all means keep him off the roster, but don't just keep him out of the game because you are afraid he might make a mistake.

Besides, handling pressure isn't a player thing, it's a coaching and gameplan thing. With as many players as can supposedly handle the ball on this team it seems stupid to waste a young player's other abilities because you don't recognize that the other team has put their defensive specialist on the floor against your rookie. That's like inbounding the ball to Duncan at the end of a close game and being surprised that he's not a good free throw shooter.

I'm not going to sit here and say "have faith in him", but I will say, "throw his ass in the water and see if he can swim."exactly!



"a crush? " ->cheap :lol :oops

[T Park]

but he is way better than NVE this year and u know it

I prefer a guy that can bring the ball past half court without getting the deer in the headlights look thanks

[spurfan 21]

I prefer a guy that can bring the ball past half court without getting the deer in the headlights look thanks
yes and i prefer a guy who can stay healthy and produce sufficient offence and in the playoffs beno dosen't have to bring up the offence barry or ginobili can even finley

[Slo spurs fan]

I prefer a guy that can bring the ball past half court without getting the deer in the headlights look thanks

Even if that guy throw brick after brick with 20 sec left? And got abused on D night after night?
And Beno didn´t made a single TO in last two games.

[Kamnik]

Even if that guy throw brick after brick with 20 sec left? And got abused on D night after night?
And Beno didn´t made a single TO in last two games.

word!




some people are unbelivable....

team is doing great

has a great young talented point guard who only got owned in NBA FINALS IN HIS ROOKIE YEAR AGAINST AN EXPERIENCED NBA VET

and everyone bitches about how bad he is

as timvp mentioned in some other thread

many spurs fans are spoiled retards who just bitch around because they dont have anything beter to do


i read this forum a lot but i dont post often but this is getting just rediculos!



when beno scores 20 points HE IS BETTER THAN TP AND HE SHOULD START AND BLAHBLAHBLAH

and when he makes a few turnovers he should be benched for life


get real ppl! people make mistakes and have good and bad days!

i get pissed off when i see ppl overreacting at everything so just they can bitch around

[Gerryatrics]

Barry can run the point as a guard or a forward. Ginobili can bring the ball past half court no problem, I'm not sure about Finley but I'm sure he could at least get the ball past half court if Udrih passes out of a double team. It's not that hard to get past full court pressure, you just need to be prepared, which takes good coaching. Beno is a great jump shooter, a good passer and a good ball handler. NVE occasionally gets hot and hits a couple of threes. The Spurs don't exactly have a shortage of veteran players. Right now Beno is playing awesome basketball, and if he continues to play this way the rest of the regular season, why not give him a chance in the playoffs?

[MannyIsGod]

Beno is now going to cost the Spurs the championship? Man, I came down hard on him last year, but you gotta give the guy credit for improving quite a bit.

I have more faith in him this year than I did last year. He's going to see pressure, and I think he'll do better against it with some experience.

I hope Nick Van Exel is ready to go eventually, but I'm not upset with the prospect of having Beno in there. Not in the least.

[Dario]

TPark is starting to panic, it must be close to playoff time

[SenorSpur]

Good move. NVE's injuries notwithstanding, Beno has clearly been the better player up to this point in the season. Even if he's healthy and regardless of his legendary reputation, I'm not expecting much from NVE in the playoffs. I simply think his tank is empty.

[Chris]

I'm not sure I want NVE in at all for the rest of the season if he requires surgery. Might be time to sign a backup PG not named Mike Wilkes. With Udrih, Barry, and Manu capable of running the point I wouldn't be worried about this until April.

[leemajors]

wilks plays for the cavs, unless he got cut recently.

[GoSpurs21]

Hell's yea its a great thing

FUCK YOU to all the blind sheep that still live in the past thinking NVE is still a good player. NVE is done and typical bullshit like below aint gonna bring him back no matter how hard you believe


bad news if you want to win a championship.
Turnover Beno will strike again.

but you go on believing that sheep...just like you still believe Bush didnt lie to you about......well just about everything

[coopdogg3]

I don't know if I would call it good news, injuries are never cool. I think it's good that Beno is getting some extended playing time so we can see what he brings to the table. I think it's good that we're 3 deep at PG so we can rest NVE for the play-offs. Hopefully what we get from this is a more savvy Beno who can work some of his kinks out (he's still a young player) and a rested NVE ready to prove himself in the play-offs.

[leemajors]

Hell's yea its a great thing

FUCK YOU to all the blind sheep that still live in the past thinking NVE is still a good player. NVE is done and typical bullshit like below aint gonna bring him back no matter how hard you believe



but you go on believing that sheep...just like you still believe Bush didnt lie to you about......well just about everything

yeah and bush is the first politician to lie, yeah YEAH. maybe if the democratic party wasn't totally incompetent and lazy we would have a different lying puppet in the white house!

[Supergirl]

Beno will be much steadier this year in the playoffs - remember, last year was his rookie year. He's gonna be fine this year.

[GoSpurs21]

yeah and bush is the first politician to lie, yeah YEAH. maybe if the democratic party wasn't totally incompetent and lazy we would have a different lying puppet in the white house!I agree with you the Dems are no better...but at least their lies dont result in our youth being killed to show world that we need to be its police

vote independent

I really hope NVE gets healthy...but I guess my plan (stated right when we signed NVE) of resting him until March then slowly working him into the line up was stupid and would never have worked.

[leemajors]

vote independent

sorry, can't resist the Simpsons quote...

GO AHEAD, THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

wilks plays for the cavs, unless he got cut recently.

He got shipped to Seattle for Flip Murray. I think he's still with the Sonics.

Here's the best part of this situation: You don't have to make your playoff roster tomorrow! Beno looked great last night but that was against the Suns. The Spurs will have two months of games before the playoffs to take a good look and make their decision. What little I've seen of Beno it seems like he's improved his energy and offensive aggressiveness from last year. If he gets consistent minutes over the course of the remaining games he might make believers of all of us.

As far as NVE goes, the Spurs got him for his rep as a playoff difference maker, not for regular season heroics, so it makes sense to sit him til then. While injuries are never a good thing, it's about time the coaching staff realized that what he's doing now is not going to help the Spurs. If anything it's long overdue. I don't what Spur I've yelled at through my TV screen the most this year but Nick's easily in the top three.

[easjer]

What Obstructed_View, MannyIsGod and Spurs_fan_in_exile said.

I think it's a great thing. I think Beno needs the minutes and Nicky needs the rest. I think my heart can't take his bricking up bad shot after bad shot. I think Beno isn't going to get any better sitting on the bench instead of facing those press situations. I think my husband would like to be able to watch a game without earplugs so he doesn't have to listen to me screaming at Van Ex.

If NVE can contribute in the playoffs, great. If his elbow is as bad as it sounds, then the rest will help things. If it means playing time and experience for Beno, great.

One other thing in answer to a couple of Tpark's points. I do not think that a run in March is equal to playoff time and teams. But Beno playing in March sure as hell is better preparation than riding the pine. Also, your statement about it being bad news if we want to win a championship? Someone did inform you after you jumped ship and quit on the team that they won the championship right? And you do remember that was with Beno as back up pg, and NVE playing for another team, right? Clearly, it can be done.

[Slo spurs fan]

Someone did inform you after you jumped ship and quit on the team that they won the championship right? And you do remember that was with Beno as back up pg, and NVE playing for another team, right? Clearly, it can be done.

T Park = OWNED!!!

[MoSpur]

TPARK needs to calm down just a bit. The Spurs can win a championship without NVE because they've done it three times w/out him. Having NVE is good, but Beno has been pretty good this season. He has been consistent from the outside. I would like to have them both in the playoffs. I think NVE being hurt is bad. I think having Beno as a backup is good, but having both is better.

[boutons_]

Nick of the 03 WCF/Mavs is long gone.

No matter how much T_pork, liar and quitter and 360-degree gratuitious insulter, fantasizes that the current Nick is the 03 Nick, it's just his fantasy.

Bone spurs don't normally go away, and in Nick's case, it seems they've decided surgical removal is the only way. The bone spur pain stops him from playing now, and the bone spur pain will stop him from playing in April-June. I figure he's done for the year, and maybe for his career.

Give Beno all the minutes he needs to get in full game-shape for the playoffs. Manu and Brent can also bring the ball up if Beno's ball handling still is weak under pressure. When a defensive TEAM presses, it's normally the offensive TEAM that responds, not just the PG.

[2centsworth]

Bad news because Nick is only going to get fatter. As far as Beno, I haven't seen him crumble like he did last year but he hasn't played a lot. Worst case scenario Barry plays the point where I think he's more productive.

[SA Gunslinger]

No biggie. As long as Nick is back a couple of games before the playoffs to get back into the flow, it's cool.

He has tons of playoff experience.

[picnroll]

bad news if you want to win a championship.


Turnover Beno will strike again.
Maybe you ought to stop watching those TIVO'd games of the Pistons - Spurs finals and catch up on the 2005 - 2006 season. In the fifteen games where Beno has played 15+ minutes, where he actaully is the backup PG, he's averaged 0.73 TOs with an A:TO ratio of nearly 3:1.

[Spurminator]

T Park is on auto-response.


<IF PRIOR POST = contains "Beno", THEN: POST = RANDOM("beno, can't handle the fuckin pressure" , "beno is a dear, in headlights" , "beno is, a turnover machine")>


That aside, I would never call an injury good news. You can never have too much depth. I'm anxious to see what Beno does in the next couple of months, and if he can't hang then Van Exel is your man in the Playoffs. He may be anyway, unless Beno goes on a tear... which would be a GOOD thing.

[baseline bum]

Beno cost the Spurs game 1 vs Denver and game 3 in Detroit. How can anyone forget that?

[Leetonidas]

I prefer a guy that can bring the ball past half court without getting the deer in the headlights look thanks

When are you going to realize that Beno was a fucking ROOKIE last year playing in his first playoffs ever? Aside from the turnover against Denver, he didn't play horrible. His turnovers came against a really great defensive team in Detroit. Devin Brown turned the ball over and let McGrady beat us, but Devin Brown sure as hell didn't suck.

Beno will come around. He's still learning, cut him some slack.

[Obstructed_View]

Beno cost the Spurs game 1 vs Denver and game 3 in Detroit. How can anyone forget that?
I seriously hope you are being facetious. Beno played a grand total of seven minutes in game 3 in Detroit. Did he make Manu go 2 of 6 with 7 points and 6 turnovers? Granted he had 3 turnovers, but the Spurs had 18 as a team. For that matter, how did his one turnover make Duncan go 7 for 22 against Denver?

[SenorSpur]

No biggie. As long as Nick is back a couple of games before the playoffs to get back into the flow, it's cool.

He has tons of playoff experience.

Experience is useless if dude can't stay healthy

[T Park]

TPARK needs to calm down just a bit

Im not??

Im glad you interpreted my feelings through a computer, you have magic powers.



When are you going to realize that Beno was a fucking ROOKIE last year playing in his first playoffs ever? Aside from the turnover against Denver, he didn't play horrible. His turnovers came against a really great defensive team in Detroit. Devin Brown turned the ball over and let McGrady beat us, but Devin Brown sure as hell didn't suck.



He was a rookie last year??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KIDDING!!!!!


So what, you wanna play, play like a veteran, thats what Parker was told in 01 02, and did play like it vs Gary Payton, who they said would kill the rookie Parker.




Beno played a grand total of seven minutes in game 3 in Detroit. Did he make Manu go 2 of 6 with 7 points and 6 turnovers? Granted he had 3 turnovers, but the Spurs had 18 as a team. For that matter, how did his one turnover make Duncan go 7 for 22 against Denver?



Time for you to review the tape.

Spurs had a solid lead going into halftime till Beno started choking like Jenna Jameson on a sausage, and couldnt get the ball past half court.


His 3 tunovers all came in that 2nd quarter, wich took the momentum from the Spurs, gave it to the Pistons, who went on to blow em out in the second half.


catch up on the 2005 - 2006 season. In the fifteen games where Beno has played 15+ minutes, where he actaully is the backup PG, he's averaged 0.73 TOs with an A:TO ratio of nearly 3:1.


Thats fine because those 15mins would be garbage time and what not, and influenced by games like last night vs horrible defense Phoenix and Charlotte.

Great measuring sticks there chief.


T Park is on auto-response.



Cause Beno has yet to prove us wrong.

Against a good defensive team, IE Memphis, he got eaten up by Bobby Jackson.

PROVING, he hasn't proved shit.


That aside, I would never call an injury good news. You can never have too much depth. I'm anxious to see what Beno does in the next couple of months, and if he can't hang then Van Exel is your man in the Playoffs. He may be anyway, unless Beno goes on a tear... which would be a GOOD thing

Id love it if Beno came out against a full court press and handled it perfectly.

If he can learn finally, handle the ball well, and still play the great offensive ball that he has, then Im all for him being the backup.

Until then, if Van Exel feels good, you keep running him out there.

He still commands a defender, he still brings the ball up well against a press, he still can knock down shots in pressure situations.

That simple.

[T Park]

how did his one turnover make Duncan go 7 for 22 against Denver?


You don't think that turnover to make it go from a 2 point lead, to a tie game at the halftime.

No, that had no baring on the game what so ever, noooo.

[T Park]

TPark is starting to panic, it must be close to playoff time


The slovenians are insutling, it must be because were speaking the truth about their fellow countrygirls.

[mavsfan1000]

Beno>Van Exel. This is a good thing that happen to San Antonio. Van Exel was done last year but I guess he wants a championship so I guess he is riding the spurs to hopefully get one.

[v2freak]

Considering the number of swingmen we have, I'd really rather have Barry playing the point instead of Udrih

[Obstructed_View]

You don't think that turnover to make it go from a 2 point lead, to a tie game at the halftime.

No, that had no baring on the game what so ever, noooo.
Oh my fucking GAWD, a 2 point swing in a game the Spurs lost by SEVENTEEN.

CoughNumnutsCough.

[Slo spurs fan]

The slovenians are insutling, it must be because were speaking the truth about their fellow countrygirls.
Oh poor TPark, you are insulted.... let me give you a candy or donut to buy me out.

[Slo spurs fan]

And Beno didn´t made a single TO in last two games.

It's 3 games now.

[Kamnik]

It's 3 games now.


yet another good performance (statisticly; i havent seen the game)

go beno :spin

[bonesinaz]

Bone spurs don't normally go away, and in Nick's case, it seems they've decided surgical removal is the only way. The bone spur pain stops him from playing now, and the bone spur pain will stop him from playing in April-June. I figure he's done for the year, and maybe for his career.

Is the injury simply a bone spur/arthitic change or is it a bone chip/joint mouse? I ask this because rest would help a spur/arthitic change but probably not help a joint mouse.

[boutons_]

I don't know the details of Nick's bone spurs. But it doesn't matter.

Playing basketball, and apparently not very much, apparently and quickly causes so much pain that Nick can't play for awhile.

So he rests, then no or not much pain, then he plays, but not much, then it hurts, so he sits again.

I figure Pop is fed up with that pattern and is trying a longer rest for Nick.

I also figure, when Nick plays again (if ever), there's a high probabilty that his elbow will rapidly flare up again, disabling him again.

Beno is so short on NBA experience, in his second year, that I figure that every minute he can play now is allowing him to make serious improvements and gain confidence.

[Slo spurs fan]

And Beno didn´t made a single TO in last two games.

It's 3 games now.
Four. :smokin

[polandprzem]

Well Nick is not making a turnover either

[SenorSpur]

Beno>Van Exel. This is a good thing that happen to San Antonio. Van Exel was done last year but I guess he wants a championship so I guess he is riding the spurs to hopefully get one.

As much as it pains me to agree with a Mavs fan - but you're right! Van Exel placed himself on IR during the final 1/3 of last season as much because of the losing culture in Portland as it was due to his injured elbow. He even hinted that 2005 would be his last year.

Now why all of a sudden did he postpone his retirement plans? It's not because he's suddenly healthy. He wants to win a championship.

I do not question Nick's desire or his reputation as a fierce competitor and cold-blooded scorer in this league. However, the fact is his injuries just prevent him being a productive player night in and night out. I think he's done.