_would you trade Tim Duncan for James?

[Hooters Girl]

Think about it first. leBron James for Tim Duncan.

[polandprzem]

I though It was a thread about Jerome James.

Unfortunately not :depressed

Jerome is the man :smokin

[T-Pain]

Think about it first. leBron James for Tim Duncan.


maybe not for duncan, but maybe parker, barry, oberto, and a first round draft pick for lebron

[this or that?]

Never give up your star player!

[Old School Chic]

I would trade Tim Duncan for Kobe in a heartbeat...

[polandprzem]

Never give up your star player!

U R right NY wouldn't trade Jerome. :(



Why Isiah why????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

[exstatic]

NEVER trade big for small, unless your big is like 38 and broken down. Next year, when Tim is healthy again, you'll wonder why you even started this thread.

[mouse]

Tim Duncan = bad knees and Old

James = Talent, good knees and youth
you do the math

[polandprzem]

NEVER trade big for small, unless your big is like 38 and broken down. Next year, when Tim is healthy again, you'll wonder why you even started this thread.

What you are? A wizard or a fairy?

[mouse]

Toss in Kieth Van Horn and you have a deal! :lmao

[ducks]

james the guy that is not clutch?
the guy that they have to give the ball to his teamates late in games to win games?
HELL NO

[polandprzem]

james the guy that is not clutch?
the guy that they have to give the ball to his teamates late in games to win games?
HELL NO

Is Timmy making any shots?

[ducks]

what has the cavs done after the allstar break with james?

[themvp]

N-e-v-e-r E-v-e-r

[polandprzem]

what has the cavs done after the allstar break with james?
What the spurs have done?

[Pinto Bean]

We are short handed on bigs as it is. That trade would make the Spurs battle with the Knicks for worst season record. But hey, maybe Lebron can play PF and post up 7'0 footers.

[1Parker1]

Lebron has yet to prove anything in the NBA. He hasn't even taken his team into the postseason yet. And he hasn't proven to be as clutch in the 4th quarter like many of his counter-parts...Kobe, Wade, AI, etc.

With that said, every good team in the NBA has to have a strong big man in the middle to succeed. Lakers had Shaq, Detroit has Ben, Mavs have Dirk, Suns have Amare. I don't know any team in the NBA who is a championship contender without one. Lebron is great, no doubt...but if you don't have the rest of the pieces around him, the trade is pointless.

Anyways, Duncan rules :)

[thekingrobert]

NO 2 MVPs shoulda been 3, 3 finals MVPs and of course i could go on and on but I wont TD is the most underated unselfish player out and gets it done on both ends,

[angel_luv]

No.

[spurs_2108]

Hell NO!!

[ALVAREZ6]

Hell no, fuck Lebron james, lebron sucks ass, and I wouldn't be able to watch his ass so many times, he is a selfish piece of fuck.

[1Parker1]

What about Manu for Wade? :smokin

[angel_luv]

Wade is awesome but I would never trade Manu.

[Kori Ellis]

What about Manu for Wade? :smokin

Of course.

Everyone should be willing to do that trade.

[1Parker1]

Of course.

Everyone should be willing to do that trade.

:lol I was countering the Duncan for James trade. It just seems that I've read about a million threads critizing Duncan this season for his poor play and how he's on the downside of his career...when Manu is playing just as poorly.

[T-Pain]

What about Manu for Wade? :smokin


not bad, but i would get rid of parker and put wade at the point. im sure eva would agree too, she would probably pick living in miami over san antonio anyday.

[ducks]

What the spurs have done?
they do not choke after the allstar game like the cavs do
cavs go on long lossing streaks after the allstar break and make the playoffs

[pjjrfan]

:lol :lol :lol Some of you guys crack me up. :lol :lol :lol

[IX_Equilibrium]

I would trade Tim Duncan for Kobe in a heartbeat...


Let's just thank God you are not in R.C. Buford's position.

[2centsworth]

I would give up Bumkin for Lebron in a heartbeat. I would also give up manu for wade. If I could only do one of those trade, give me lebron.

[Peter]

I hate Spurs fans.

[baseline bum]

Man, I wouldn't trade Duncan for the Pistons starting 5. Tim is the reason we have an arena. Tim's the main reason we have 3 banners hanging in it. He stuck by this team when Orlando looked like a dynasty in the making with Grant Hill already comitted. I don't care if he was 38 and broken down - I'd still never trade him.

[2centsworth]

Man, I wouldn't trade Duncan for the Pistons starting 5. Tim is the reason we have an arena. Tim's the main reason we have 3 banners hanging in it. He stuck by this team when Orlando looked like a dynasty in the making with Grant Hill already comitted. I don't care if he was 38 and broken down - I'd still never trade him.
agree that Tim is the main reason we have 3 banners. However, if the trade presented itself to get Lebron for this version of Tim Duncan there's no way in the world anyone would say no. We don't have to worry because Cleveland aint that crazy. Now that's the truth like it or not.

[ChumpDumper]

We also don't have to worry because we don't need to bail on a temporarily injured Tim.

[2centsworth]

We also don't have to worry because we don't need to bail on a temporarily injured Tim.
nobody is bailing. the question is would you trade the current Tim Duncan for Lebron. My honest answer is yes.

There's only one untradeable on the team IMO and it's not Tim, Manu or Tony.

[Chris]

Bad trade. Worse thread. GG.

[Solid D]

Timmy is woven into the fabric of San Antonio and San Antonio is woven into the fabric of Tim.

Don't tug on Superman's cape.
Don't spit into the wind.
Don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger.
Don't mess around with Tim.

[Vingianx]

Think about it first. leBron James for Tim Duncan.
THAT TRADE IS JUST DUMB AND STUPID........think about it..........Tim Duncan got the Spurs 3-rings.........how many playoff appearances doesL.J. have?

NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

[cs100]

THAT TRADE IS JUST DUMB AND STUPID........think about it..........Tim Duncan got the Spurs 3-rings.........how many playoff appearances doesL.J. have?

NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

Well said. :) Those that would trade an unproven LeBron can keep their 2 cents. TD is the reason Spurs have fans.

[2centsworth]

THAT TRADE IS JUST DUMB AND STUPID........think about it..........Tim Duncan got the Spurs 3-rings.........how many playoff appearances doesL.J. have?


we're not talking about the past. otherwise, we would trade for bill russell. We're talking about today. Lebron is only in his 2nd year and is only 21 years old. Like the Tony Parker or Jason Kidd argument.

[cs100]

we're not talking about the past. otherwise, we would trade for bill russell. We're talking about today. Lebron is only in his 2nd year and is only 21 years old. Like the Tony Parker or Jason Kidd argument.


LeBron has not won anything yet and we don't know if he even can. Oh, yea, he won endorsements. Is there a trophy for that?

Tim is in his prime. This PF should dissipate during the summer and Tim will be his old self again next year. We will win a couple more championships before Cleveland ever gets to a Conference Final. So what is to debate?

[2centsworth]

LeBron has not won anything yet and we don't know if he even can. Oh, yea, he won endorsements. Is there a trophy for that?

Tim is in his prime. This PF should dissipate during the summer and Tim will be his old self again next year. We will win a couple more championships before Cleveland ever gets to a Conference Final. So what is to debate?it took michael jordan 3 years of college and 6 years in the pros before he won his first championship. Give the kid who is 2 years removed from high school a bit of a break, he's totally kicking butt. Btw, Duncan was hurt last year too.

I appreciate Tim but at this point I'd give him up for Lebron in a heartbeat. If you're talking 3 years ago I would stick with Tim.

Just in case you don't know, James is avg. 30pts 7rebs,7ast,1.5stls,1blk per game. Imagine surrounding him with the likes of David Robinson, Manu, and Tony instead of Flip Murray, and Daimon Jones.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

If the Spurs were dumb enough to trade Duncan, I'd hope they kept him in the west so he could knock their asses out of the playoffs. :)

[polandprzem]

nobody is bailing. the question is would you trade the current Tim Duncan for Lebron. My honest answer is yes.

There's only one untradeable on the team IMO and it's not Tim, Manu or Tony.

Bruce?

[T-Pain]

Man, I wouldn't trade Duncan for the Pistons starting 5. Tim is the reason we have an arena. Tim's the main reason we have 3 banners hanging in it. He stuck by this team when Orlando looked like a dynasty in the making with Grant Hill already comitted. I don't care if he was 38 and broken down - I'd still never trade him.


amen to that, I would never trade Duncan in any circumstance. Like I said, Id give up tony.

[TDMVPDPOY]

yeh lets trade for jerome james, i do it

[polandprzem]

Jerome james is simply better because he gives no respect. None!

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'll take the duncan/lebron trade in 3 years.

[Mixability]

Wade is awesome but I would never trade Manu.

How about Rasho for Kobe?

I bet I can guess your answer.....

:lol

[nkdlunch]

yeah probably. manu for wade? ok. parker for billups or Nash? hell yeah. enough of stupid questions.

[cheguevara]

yeah probably. manu for wade? ok. parker for billups or Nash? hell yeah. enough of stupid questions.


a team of Billups, Wade and lebron would still lose to a team of Parker, manu and Duncan.

[tlongII]

Duncan for LeBron would be a great trade for San Antonio. It would never happen though.

[Sasha]

If the Spurs were dumb enough to trade Duncan, I'd hope they kept him in the west so he could knock their asses out of the playoffs. :)



Well said! :elephant

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Wow, that's tough.

I would say no for only one reason. Tony Parker. You can't have TP and Bron in the same backcourt. So if you traded Tim, you'd have to trade TP too. But that wasn't the question!



Oh, not to mention Manu.

[mavsfan1000]

Duncan for Lebron is not a good deal for San Antonio unless they plan to rebuild.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Pros

-10 year age difference
-Great for marketing.
-He is 'the future' of the league.


Cons
-Tim is proven.
-You already have solid guards. (tony & tp)

[MoSpur]

Lebron has yet to prove anything in the NBA. He hasn't even taken his team into the postseason yet. And he hasn't proven to be as clutch in the 4th quarter like many of his counter-parts...Kobe, Wade, AI, etc.

With that said, every good team in the NBA has to have a strong big man in the middle to succeed. Lakers had Shaq, Detroit has Ben, Mavs have Dirk, Suns have Amare. I don't know any team in the NBA who is a championship contender without one. Lebron is great, no doubt...but if you don't have the rest of the pieces around him, the trade is pointless.

Anyways, Duncan rules :)

She said Dirk was a strong big man. Funniest thing I've heard today. He's big. Not strong and doesn't play in the middle.

[charmie21]

i wouldn't trade timmy for that effing lebron james.. not in a million years..! trade the core of your team for an effing selfish guy..?! duh.. the same goes for manu, i wouldn't trade him for wade, no matter how great or amazing or whatever wade is..

[PM5K]

At this point no. Tim still has a few good years left and this team is built around him, if he was traded drastic changes would have to be made before this team would be successful....

[PM5K]

She said Dirk was a strong big man. Funniest thing I've heard today. He's big. Not strong and doesn't play in the middle.

I agree and disagree ;-)

Historically championships teams have been built around great centers, not big men. Dirk is not a center, nor does he play anything like one. When I say center I mean a guy who blocks shots, rebounds, and takes high percentage shots close to the basket, Dirk does some of that but not enough to be considered a center.

Having said that there are exceptions to the rule, the Bulls are a good example.

[milkyway21]

Think about it first. leBron James for Tim Duncan.trade any player for LeBron then allow these two players to play together.

Tim Duncan had accomplished so much things for this team and organization, well-liked in the community, I would like to think Tim Duncan retiring as a Spur and be one of the executives in the future.

[sa_butta]

trade any player for LeBron then allow these two players to play together.

Tim Duncan had accomplished so much things for this team and organization, well-liked in the community, I would like to think Tim Duncan retiring as a Spur and be one of the executives in the future.Partner with D-Rob that would be awesome. I would not trade Tim for Lebron.

[ObiwanGinobili]

No.
it's just not smart.

Tim is our man, fits into our system and knows what Pop wants inside and out.

Bringing Lebron In we would lose
3 inches
20 lbs.
5.5 RPG
.05 FG% (lebron makes more PPG but Tim is more efficiant)
also the leader ship (immeasurable) that Timmy brings to the team on the court & in the locker room.

We'd gain
.44 TO per game (uhm we're allready bad on TO's we don't need more)
3.5 APG (which is great, but who would he be assisting? we'd need a to pick upa a massive fearless center or a bunch of 3pt pros)
Also James is avging .736 in FT% this year alone... obviously not a fit for the FT challenged Spurs :lol

I think JHames is a great player, phenominal. In line to (cliche alert) be the next Jordan.
BUT - I would not trade Timmy for him.
We'd lose position for the next 2 years as Lebron adjusted to the team. Maybe more considering we'd have to trade and pick up other players to fit specifically around him -just as we now have players that fit specifically arounf Tim.
By the time we were ready to win a Cahmpionship again Lebron would be in the NBA for 6 or 7 years already w/o a ring , his contract would most likely becoming up, and he's want to go to another team.


Not smart. JMHO.

[Spurs rock]

Hell no!!! MAYBE for Kobe but not Lebron.

[mouse]

I bet if the Spurs choke and the Cavs win a ring ?
many of you would edit your posts

[SequSpur]

I bet if the Spurs choke and the Cavs win a ring ?
many of you would edit your posts
http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/Stupid/bobs-stupid.jpg

[Spurs rock]

I bet if the Spurs choke and the Cavs win a ring ?
many of you would edit your posts

LMAO! Maybe the Spurs will choke but there is NO WAY the Cavs win the Championship this year. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

duncan > rest of the james ever played in the history of the nba

[polandprzem]

i always figgered dirk as a taller bird

excuce me..................... WHAT??!!!

[ManuTastic]

From a pure bball perspective, of course you trade Tim for LeBron if anyone would give you that deal. You do it in a heartbeat, and here's why:
-Tim has peaked and is starting to enter the down slope of his career. He only has a couple more years of MVP-level play. The injury problems this year are just a preview. Hey, it happens to the best, it happens to the rest. Deal with it.
-LBJ is a freaking superstar, and he's like 21. With a decent supporting cast and a little luck (because that's always needed too), he'll have several championships before he retires. He's unbelievable.

Tim brought SA its first 3 trophies, and hopefully #4 this year. If you could swap him for LBJ after that, you'd be a fool not to.

From a non-bball perspective, Tim has shown loyalty to the team, he's been a fantastic teammate and employee--I stand second to no one in my admiration for him as a person and SMART NBA player (of which there aren't many).

So the question is do you listen to your head or your heart? I know what I'd do: take the upside.

What are the odds of Cleveland not being able to re-sign LBJ? Are they worried?

[CharlieMac]

Absolutely.

[cs100]

From a pure bball perspective, of course you trade Tim for LeBron if anyone would give you that deal. You do it in a heartbeat, and here's why:
-Tim has peaked and is starting to enter the down slope of his career. He only has a couple more years of MVP-level play. The injury problems this year are just a preview. Hey, it happens to the best, it happens to the rest. Deal with it.
-LBJ is a freaking superstar, and he's like 21. With a decent supporting cast and a little luck (because that's always needed too), he'll have several championships before he retires. He's unbelievable.

Tim is NOT starting to enter the down slope of his career. TD is in the prime of his career. Other than PF, which is NOT an injury sustained by playing basketball, Tim is very healthy. He lost some weight this summer and looks very nimble on the floor when his PF is not hurting badly. Tim has a good 4-5 years left, at least, at being in the top five active players in the league.

Also, the Spurs are primed to win another championship this year and probably for the next few years. Why would you break up a CHAMPIONSHIP team for an unproven, albeit top player that does not fit your system of play??? It makes no BUSINESS sense, especially if the purpose of the team is to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

If you traded TD NOW for James, you would not be close to winning a championship for a few years because the current team was built AROUND Tim, a PF/C and not a G/F.

IMO

[Melmart1]

If we traded Timmy, we create more big man problems on our roster short-term. We can rebuild, get new pieces to replace others, sure. But how many seasons of free agency and trades (and at what price trades) would it take to find the right pieces to surround LeBron?

Without Timmy, the only viable trade bait the Spurs have is Manu and Tony. Those who support LeBron due to youth would be hypocritical to trade Tony. So that leaves you with Manu, who is a great, well-respected player- when he is playing full throttle. Methinks some GMs may balk at sending us something big due to the perception that he may be injury prone.

So free agency. Who can the Spurs get? Now, let's be REASONABLE- the Spurs can't pick up someone just because they fit into your fantasy projection. It has to be realisitc under the cap. Who is going to be our PF/C, who we won't overpay and who isn't a doughboy on defense?

So basically, this would throw our team into rebuilding mode. LeBron is talented enough to win us some games- but mehtinks it would be D-Rob era Spurs again. One great talent putting us on his back, and the back can't hold us through May.

The Spurs will have to get younger the next few years, no doubt. But if you want a team with a chance to be contenders, you keep Tim Duncan while you get young. Who better to be a mentor? Who better to show them how to be a quiet, humble leader. Who better to show them what it means to be an MVP?

Even if we traded Duncan, then go Lebron the pieces, they all have to learn the system, which we know takes at least a year. Pop will not retire with LeBron on the roster, I guarantee. Would the city support the Spurs taking 2-3 years worth of steps back for several steps forward later? I can't see it. No offense to my fellow fans, but methinks a lot of them are fair-weathered.

I am not saying I am right, I am just throwing questions out there to those who would do this trade. I also wonder if someone would even start this thread if Timmy was averaging 20/12 this season. But again, I think some of you are fair-weathered and have no real clue how much Timmy means to this team beyond a stat sheet.

[ManuTastic]

Tim is NOT starting to enter the down slope of his career. TD is in the prime of his career. Other than PF, which is NOT an injury sustained by playing basketball, Tim is very healthy. He lost some weight this summer and looks very nimble on the floor when his PF is not hurting badly. Tim has a good 4-5 years left, at least, at being in the top five active players in the league.

Also, the Spurs are primed to win another championship this year and probably for the next few years. Why would you break up a CHAMPIONSHIP team for an unproven, albeit top player that does not fit your system of play??? It makes no BUSINESS sense, especially if the purpose of the team is to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

If you traded TD NOW for James, you would not be close to winning a championship for a few years because the current team was built AROUND Tim, a PF/C and not a G/F.

IMO

I guess we differ on TD's prognosis. As I said, I think he has 2-3 MVP-level years left in the tank, not 4-5. I guess we'll see. I hope I'm wrong, because he's the franchise now and into the future.

Your point about breaking up a championship team is a better one. Trading TD for LBJ would entail some serious rebuilding. But then, this may not be the championship team we love any more... if TD and Manu in particular don't regain their A games soon, I see a Detroit trophy, or maybe even a Dallas WC champion. Tony has been a monster, which I'm LOVING, but I'm getting pretty worried about sub-par outings from Manu. And Tim's hurting.
(Also, Bowen's not getting any younger, Rasho's not getting any better, Nazr's probably gone, Finley's done, Barry is a question mark at best, etc... I mean hey, I love my Spurs, but I'm not penciling in 3 more championships at this point.)

As to how to rebuild the team around LBJ, I admit I haven't given that much thought. And you're right to point out it's not a trivial exercise. But I think with a player of LBJ's talent and youth, I'd be willing to spend a few years putting the pieces together and then watching the trophies roll in 5 or 6 times.

[The Sports Philosopher]

Three points:

(1) Why has no one introduced the topic of defense? Duncan is one of the greatest defensive big men of all time, and still one of the best defensive big men in the league, even if his scoring numbers are down and his rebounding statistics have dipped slightly this year. If "defense wins championships," how can we ignore the defensive contribution we would lose by trading for LeBron?

(2) I can't agree enough with PM5K: championship teams without great big men on the inside are few and far between. The Bulls are one of the very few exceptions. Hence, the odds are against us doing better in the postseason without someone like Duncan, even if we'd gain a more prolific scorer and assist-maker in LeBron.

(3) Perhaps no one wants to hear this, and perhaps it's a different kind of consideration, but here goes. In keeping Duncan until retirement, even when he eventually does decline in ability, we move a step closer to establishing the Spurs as a franchise with a lore, a worthy history, in the way that the Celtics and Lakers have established. We have the opportunity to do this as a small market team, and I for one am in favor of it. If Duncan retires as a Spur, it will be like Bird and Russell retiring as Celtics, for example. In my opinion, there's something about one of the all-time greats spending his entire championship- and MVP-filled career with a single team that just imparts more value and worth to the franchise when you look back at its history. There's also a less selfish side to this coin: Duncan has brought championships to SA, where no one else ever has, ushering in a golden era for Spurs' fans the likes of which most sports fans never experience with respect to their teams. One could thus make the case that we owe him the opportunity to decide to retire a Spur if he wishes.

[Kamnik]

Three points:

(1) Why has no one introduced the topic of defense? Duncan is one of the greatest defensive big men of all time, and still one of the best defensive big men in the league, even if his scoring numbers are down and his rebounding statistics have dipped slightly this year. If "defense wins championships," how can we ignore the defensive contribution we would lose by trading for LeBron?

(2) I can't agree enough with PM5K: championship teams without great big men on the inside are few and far between. The Bulls are one of the very few exceptions. Hence, the odds are against us doing better in the postseason without someone like Duncan, even if we'd gain a more prolific scorer and assist-maker in LeBron.

(3) Perhaps no one wants to hear this, and perhaps it's a different kind of consideration, but here goes. In keeping Duncan until retirement, ev

en when he eventually does decline in ability, we move a step closer to establishing the Spurs as a franchise with a lore, a worthy history, in the way that the Celtics and Lakers have established. We have the opportunity to do this as a small market team, and I for one am in favor of it. If Duncan retires as a Spur, it will be like Bird and Russell retiring as Celtics, for example. In my opinion, there's something about one of the all-time greats spending his entire championship- and MVP-filled career with a single team that just imparts more value and worth to the franchise when you look back at its history. There's also a less selfish side to this coin: Duncan has brought championships to SA, where no one else ever has, ushering in a golden era for Spurs' fans the likes of which most sports fans never experience with respect to their teams. One could thus make the case that we owe him the opportunity to decide to retire a Spur if he wishes.


nicely said

i agree completely

tim should never be traded if he doesnt express it as a wish

even if you get an incredible player for him