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Mr. Peabody
03-15-2006, 10:41 AM
I've never considered this phenomenon, but upon reflection, I have seen it play out in the people I know.

The liberal baby bust

By Phillip Longman
Tue Mar 14, 6:56 AM ET

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What's the difference between Seattle and Salt Lake City? There are many differences, of course, but here's one you might not know. In Seattle, there are nearly 45% more dogs than children. In Salt Lake City, there are nearly 19% more kids than dogs.


This curious fact might at first seem trivial, but it reflects a much broader and little-noticed demographic trend that has deep implications for the future of global culture and politics. It's not that people in a progressive city such as Seattle are so much fonder of dogs than are people in a conservative city such as Salt Lake City. It's that progressives are so much less likely to have children.


It's a pattern found throughout the world, and it augers a far more conservative future - one in which patriarchy and other traditional values make a comeback, if only by default. Childlessness and small families are increasingly the norm today among progressive secularists. As a consequence, an increasing share of all children born into the world are descended from a share of the population whose conservative values have led them to raise large families.


Today, fertility correlates strongly with a wide range of political, cultural and religious attitudes. In the USA, for example, 47% of people who attend church weekly say their ideal family size is three or more children. By contrast, 27% of those who seldom attend church want that many kids.


In Utah, where more than two-thirds of residents are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 92 children are born each year for every 1,000 women, the highest fertility rate in the nation. By contrast Vermont - the first to embrace gay unions - has the nation's lowest rate, producing 51 children per 1,000 women.


Similarly, in Europe today, the people least likely to have children are those most likely to hold progressive views of the world. For instance, do you distrust the army and other institutions and are you prone to demonstrate against them? Then, according to polling data assembled by demographers Ron Lesthaeghe and Johan Surkyn, you are less likely to be married and have kids or ever to get married and have kids. Do you find soft drugs, homosexuality and euthanasia acceptable? Do you seldom, if ever, attend church? Europeans who answer affirmatively to such questions are far more likely to live alone or be in childless, cohabiting unions than are those who answer negatively.


This correlation between secularism, individualism and low fertility portends a vast change in modern societies. In the USA, for example, nearly 20% of women born in the late 1950s are reaching the end of their reproductive lives without having children. The greatly expanded childless segment of contemporary society, whose members are drawn disproportionately from the feminist and countercultural movements of the 1960s and '70s, will leave no genetic legacy. Nor will their emotional or psychological influence on the next generation compare with that of people who did raise children.


Single-child factor


Meanwhile, single-child families are prone to extinction. A single child replaces one of his or her parents, but not both. Consequently, a segment of society in which single-child families are the norm will decline in population by at least 50% per generation and quite quickly disappear. In the USA, the 17.4% of baby boomer women who had one child account for a mere 9.2% of kids produced by their generation. But among children of the baby boom, nearly a quarter descend from the mere 10% of baby boomer women who had four or more kids.


This dynamic helps explain the gradual drift of American culture toward religious fundamentalism and social conservatism. Among states that voted for President Bush in 2004, the average fertility rate is more than 11% higher than the rate of states for Sen. John Kerry.


It might also help to explain the popular resistance among rank-and-file Europeans to such crown jewels of secular liberalism as the European Union. It turns out that Europeans who are most likely to identify themselves as "world citizens" are also less likely to have children.


Rewriting history?


Why couldn't tomorrow's Americans and Europeans, even if they are disproportionately raised in patriarchal, religiously minded households, turn out to be another generation of '68? The key difference is that during the post-World War II era, nearly all segments of society married and had children. Some had more than others, but there was much more conformity in family size between the religious and the secular. Meanwhile, thanks mostly to improvements in social conditions, there is no longer much difference in survival rates for children born into large families and those who have few if any siblings.


Tomorrow's children, therefore, unlike members of the postwar baby boom generation, will be for the most part descendants of a comparatively narrow and culturally conservative segment of society. To be sure, some members of the rising generation may reject their parents' values, as often happens. But when they look for fellow secularists with whom to make common cause, they will find that most of their would-be fellow travelers were quite literally never born.


Many will celebrate these developments. Others will view them as the death of the Enlightenment. Either way, they will find themselves living through another great cycle of history.


Phillip Longman is a fellow at the New America Foundation and the author of The Empty Cradle: How Falling Birthrates Threaten World Prosperity and What to Do About It. This essay is adapted from his cover story in the current issue of Foreign Policy magazine.

Yonivore
03-15-2006, 12:12 PM
What do you expect when you kill the unborn and marry people with identical genitalia?

Trainwreck2100
03-15-2006, 12:45 PM
What do you expect when you kill the unborn and marry people with identical genitalia?

Don't forget birth control

Crookshanks
03-15-2006, 01:29 PM
I find it rather ironic that those who think they are the "elite, enlightened" ones, are, by their very culture, ensuring that the world is populated by the "stupid, conservative hicks" that they look down upon!!

101A
03-15-2006, 01:50 PM
Recognizing this trend in the early '60's - President LBJ brought us the "Great" Society - in which our country's resources are set aside to encourage poor, single, unwed mothers (90 - 95% democratic voters) to have children by paying for each and every one of those children. As the saying goes, "You get what you pay for."

RobinsontoDuncan
03-15-2006, 02:48 PM
I find it rather ironic that those who think they are the "elite, enlightened" ones, are, by their very culture, ensuring that the world is populated by the "stupid, conservative hicks" that they look down upon!!

You know, I hear this comming from conservatives more and more these days. I wonder, do you guys talk so loud and be so obnoquious while doing so, because you feel looked down upon? (I know there are leftist assholes too, i tried listening to mike malloy and I felt like rush limbaugh was the person talking-- he was just negating everything that had ever come out of his mouth up to that point) I will say that thr biggotry and short sightedness of conservatives makes me feel very resentful of them, and it is true that there is a correlation between how much education one has and how liberal they are-- however that doesnt mean i think you are all "hicks" nor do i think all liberals are "elites" Far from it. I think the majority of liberals come from working class backgrounds they just like politicans that are willing to work with them and not the actuall "elites". Perhaps you are reffering only then, to the social and enviornmentalist liberals whom are generally well educatedf and very tolerant of others. I dont think they consider themselves elites either, allthough we think our ideas are by far better.

I suppose what I ma trying to say is that I hate Xray's biggotry, but i dont think he is an ignoramus. It takes intellegence to spin his bullshit.

Darrin
03-15-2006, 05:27 PM
Liberals - the Eastern Conference of the World. :)

JoeChalupa
03-15-2006, 05:31 PM
Progressives have no fear of not pro-creating. Heck, I hear conservatives constantly refer to those "f***kin' liberals".

cecil collins
03-15-2006, 05:34 PM
What do you expect when you kill the unborn and marry people with identical genitalia?
I'm sorry, but I think it's still better then incest.

JoeChalupa
03-15-2006, 05:36 PM
Yeah...like conservatives and wannabe conservative libertarians don't live in sin. :rolleyes

Crookshanks
03-15-2006, 05:42 PM
Michael Medved was talking about this editorial on his show today. He mentioned that he had a Liberal Professor on his show not too long ago who admitted that, in order for liberalism to survive, they needed to brainwash (his actual word) other people's children since they weren't having enough of their own.

JoeChalupa
03-15-2006, 05:56 PM
You can easily call what every parent teaches their children as "brain-washing". Conservatives also pound their agenda's into their children's brains. And I, yes what many in here would call a "liberal", teach my children the way of the Lord by sending them to religious formation classes, Yes!! Religion!!

I actually teach my children in a very conservative, yet progressive, household.

Oh, Gee!!
03-15-2006, 06:19 PM
Michael Medved was talking about this editorial on his show today. He mentioned that he had a Liberal Professor on his show not too long ago who admitted that, in order for liberalism to survive, they needed to brainwash (his actual word) other people's children since they weren't having enough of their own.

I spoke to a Conservative professor who admitted that Dubya is the worst president ever. True story

Nbadan
03-16-2006, 03:07 AM
If you take a look at a map of political allegiances based on counties, you'd notice that the real Republican stronghold is in the Midwest, not so much in the South.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/countymaplinear.png

It's no wonder this study was done in Utah. GMAFB! :rolleyes

The population centers of any State are the cities and those are over-whelmingly Democrat and as gas gets more expensive, the burbs' will be less appealing to younger movers and shakers.