What punishment do these perverts deserve?

[Crookshanks]

Child porn ring transmitted acts live on Web: US

Mar 15, 4:26 PM (ET)

By Andrew Stern

CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. and Canadian authorities said on Wednesday they had cracked an international child pornography network that in some cases transmitted molestations live over the Internet.

"These are the worst imaginable forms of child pornography," said U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, adding that one case involved the abuse of a toddler less than 18 month old.

Twenty-seven people from nine U.S. states and Canada, Australia and Britain, are charged with possession, receipt, distribution and manufacture of child pornography in connection with the case, authorities said.

Twenty-six of the suspects have been arrested and one is still at large.

"This international undercover investigation revealed an insidious network that engaged in worldwide trafficking in child pornography, including live molestations of children transmitted over the Internet," Gonzales said.

Authorities said they have identified seven victims including the toddler whose molestation in April by a suburban Chicago man was transmitted live via an Internet chat room to someone using the screen name "Big_Daddy619."

Internet child pornography has evolved from commercial sites with repeated material to new material traded viewer-to-viewer, said Julie Myers, a U.S. Homeland Security Department official who appeared at a news conference with Gonzales.

"We see child molestation on demand through streaming to chat rooms," she said. "The children are getting younger and the images are getting more and more violent and graphic."

Tony Warr, acting chief of police services in Toronto, told the briefing that the case had its roots in a May 2005 arrest in Alberta.

Four people are charged with molesting the children, making the resulting images available in the chat room called "Kiddypics & Kiddyvids," which facilitated trading of thousands of images and videos, officials said.

Making child pornography carries a minimum 15-year prison sentence. The other charges call for minimum sentences of at least five years.

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I say torture is too good for these sickos :depressed

[Clandestino]

it can't be their fault... they should just give them probation or something like that...

[Clandestino]

i've been working so i can afford to pay taxes so they can be used to pay for welfare and other socialist government programs...

[Marklar MM]

Throw them in prison...guys go to prison and have to lay their cocktail fruit on a platter. If females are involved, send them to wherever it is that girls hate to go.

[jochhejaam]

"We see child molestation on demand through streaming to chat rooms," she said. "The children are getting younger and
the images are getting more and more violent and graphic."
Strong deterrent, send a message for others that want to get rich at the expense of destroying kids lives. Life with no parole

[boutons_]

How many are Repugs? Evangelicals?

[Spurminator]

You're joking.

[Clandestino]

one was in the af here in sa...

[Dre_7]

Two words: Death Penalty

[Dre_7]

How many are Repugs? Evangelicals?

I am not partisan, but I am a Christian, and I think boutons is full of it on this one. But I dont want this to turn into a politcal thread, cuz it has nothing to do with politics. So I will leave it at that.

[scott]

Tortune penalty. Pour some honey on their dicks and dump a bunch of fire ants on them.

[cecil collins]

Something far beyond what is considered PC or civilized because that would automatically make it cool.

[E20]

Get a hot needle and insert it up there penis and then hold for 2 seconds and repeat for eternity.

While that is happening do some other things too. Like get some bees and on him put some leeches down there ass. Get some people who would do this and poke his eyes with their dicks and ear fuck them too.

[Nbadan]

Damn, I was hoping this thread was about Jeff Skilling, Kenneth Lay, and Andrew Fastow.

:cuss

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Anything that caused pain and was not expensive

[jochhejaam]

How many are Repugs? Evangelicals?
Your shtick is jaded bouts.

[Mr. Peabody]

Just put them in General Population and they will receive punishment that is outside the limits of the law.

[Oh, Gee!!]

They should be pilloried

[Mr. Peabody]

They should be pilloried

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/blog/p1.jpg

Not harsh enough. It looks like they would be able to just get out and run away, if they choose.

[Oh, Gee!!]

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/blog/p1.jpg

Not harsh enough. It looks like they would be able to just get out and run away, if they choose.


no way, dude. passersby can throw stuff at 'em, spit on 'em, and punch 'em, and kick 'em, and slap 'em, and .......

[xrayzebra]

What ever punishment they get wont be enough for what they have put the
kids through. I often wonder why we (society) care so much for the sickos of
this world. A mentally ill person can murder someone, do all sorts of vile deeds
and society is quick to say they shouldn't be punished. But I have a question:
why do we kill mad dogs and cats, we consider them a menace to society, but
mad humans are excused. Makes no sense to me.

[Oh, Gee!!]

What ever punishment they get wont be enough for what they have put the
kids through. I often wonder why we (society) care so much for the sickos of
this world. A mentally ill person can murder someone, do all sorts of vile deeds
and society is quick to say they shouldn't be punished. But I have a question:
why do we kill mad dogs and cats, we consider them a menace to society, but
mad humans are excused. Makes no sense to me.

I have a feeling that many things make no sense to you.

[xrayzebra]

I have a feeling that many things make no sense to you.

By that I take it it does make sense to you.

[Mr. Peabody]

But I have a question:
why do we kill mad dogs and cats, we consider them a menace to society, but
mad humans are excused. Makes no sense to me.

Well, I think it is obvious that we, as a society, place more value on the lives of humans than we do animals.

[smeagol]

Well, I think it is obvious that we, as a society, place more value on the lives of humans than we do animals.
Ahhh . . . Mr P, that's very Christian-like :lol

[Mr. Peabody]

Ahhh . . . Mr P, that's very Christian-like :lol

Christian-like or not, that's the reality of the situation.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Ahhh . . . Mr P, that's very Christian-like :lol

If I know Peabody, and I don't, he'll will be offended

[Mr. Peabody]

What ever punishment they get wont be enough for what they have put the
kids through. I often wonder why we (society) care so much for the sickos of
this world. A mentally ill person can murder someone, do all sorts of vile deeds
and society is quick to say they shouldn't be punished.

I don't think anyone is arguing that these people shouldn't be removed from society. I think the argument is that there is no reason to punish someone who does not understand the moral value of their actions. What good does the punishment serve in cases such as those?

[xrayzebra]

I don't think anyone is arguing that these people shouldn't be removed from society. I think the argument is that there is no reason to punish someone who does not understand the moral value of their actions. What good does the punishment serve in cases such as those?


But aren't they a menace to society and all they come into contact with?
Haven't they proven they will kill, main or whatever.

Hasn't society already said that sexual offenders are a menace to society
and after serving their time will forever be watched? Is a sex offender a
person with a mental problem? Do they really know what they are doing?
Yet, a person with restricted mental capacity (retarded) is said to not be
aware or responsible for their actions.

[Mr. Peabody]

But aren't they a menace to society and all they come into contact with?
Haven't they proven they will kill, main or whatever.

If they are a threat to society, the court will usually have them placed in a supervised care facility, thus removing them from contact witht the general public.


Hasn't society already said that sexual offenders are a menace to society
and after serving their time will forever be watched? Is a sex offender a
person with a mental problem? Do they really know what they are doing?
Yet, a person with restricted mental capacity (retarded) is said to not be
aware or responsible for their actions.

I guess you could argue that most people that commit heinous crimes have some sort of mental problem. However, as I stated, if the mental infirmity is so severe that the defendant cannot and did not appreciate the moral value of his actions, punishment is not appropriate.

[boutons_]

There are "deviant", criminal, immoral behaviors that are so universal across cultures and times that they must have some genetic component. Homosexuality/lesbianism, wife beating, pedophilia, racism, promiscuity, alcoholism/substane abuse, fear of serpents and insects, etc, are not simply and only nurtured/acquired behaviors but must have, imo, some nature/genetic/selected component.

What justification is there for punishing someone who is driven/influenced by genetic factors rather than by free will and moral choice?

[Mr. Peabody]

What justification is there for punishing someone who is driven/influenced by genetic factors rather than by free will and moral choice?

Well, I think you can have a genetic predispostion for certain activities and still have free will and moral choice.

For example, a person may have a genetic predisposition to hold objects with their left hand. This doesn't mean that they can't choose to hold objects using their right hand.

You can also have moral choice. I think science has shown that males have an innate biological drive to "spread the seed," but this does not mean that we can't make a moral choice to remain faithful to our significant others.

[DarkReign]

That bullshit you 2 are spewing is laughable.

You download child porn, you goto jail. You molest a child, you goto prison for life. you molest multiple children to entertain other sicko fucks with the same 'genetic predisposition', you get killed.

This isnt even debateable. I could care less what flimsy excuse some over-educated pseudo-science major can come up with.

gun = $399
bullet = $0.22
Putting the business end point blank to a child molester's head and gleefully squeezing the trigger = priceless.

[DarkReign]

Looking God in the eye and telling Him that if faced with the decison 100x, I would do it 100% of the time = honesty

[Mr. Peabody]

That bullshit you 2 are spewing is laughable.

You download child porn, you goto jail. You molest a child, you goto prison for life. you molest multiple children to entertain other sicko fucks with the same 'genetic predisposition', you get killed.

This isnt even debateable. I could care less what flimsy excuse some over-educated pseudo-science major can come up with.

gun = $399
bullet = $0.22
Putting the business end point blank to a child molester's head and gleefully squeezing the trigger = priceless.

Next time, actually read the posts before commenting. The discussion I was having has nothing to with the child pornography ring. Xray was asking about punishing the mentally ill and I was responding to his post.

Taking the time to read the thread = 5 minutes
Responding to other's posts and commenting on something they've actually said = 1 minute
Not coming off like an ass= priceless

[Nbadan]

Next time, actually read the posts before commenting. The discussion I was having has nothing to with the child pornography ring. Xray was asking about punishing the mentally ill and I was responding to his post.

Taking the time to read the thread = 5 minutes
Responding to other's posts and commenting on something they've actually said = 1 minute
Not coming off like an ass= priceless


No, that take is price-less. Nice Job Mr. Peabody.

:hat

[xrayzebra]

Well, I think it is obvious that we, as a society, place more value on the lives of humans than we do animals.

I wonder if we do. Abortion and euthanasia are condoned and tolerated and
fought for by the same people who normally defend the mentally ill.
It is a paradox.

On sexual predators, they really are the scum of earth, who prey on the
young. And leave scars that may never heal. They truly do take the
innocence away from the innocent.

[ObiwanGinobili]

adding that one case involved the abuse of a toddler less than 18 month old.

as punishment i would suggest being tied down to a pice of plywood with wet leather straps, have thier bellies slowly torn open with blunt knives and/or spoons and then being abandoned liek that in the mojave hooked to an IV.

[gtownspur]

^You need to get a fetish worker job pronto!

Otherwise screw the torture techniques and just chop their heads off.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cut all there limbs