V For Vendetta

[MannyIsGod]

Best movie I've seen in a long time and possibly the best movie ever made by the Wochoski brothers.

I won't spoil it for you guys, but you should definetly go see it. I saw it at the IMAX tonight.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Best movie I've seen in a long time and possibly the best movie ever made by the Wochoski brothers.

I won't spoil it for you guys, but you should definetly go see it. I saw it at the IMAX tonight.

Really??

[Zombie]

I'll wait for it to come on TNT!

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, I had no idea to expect it to be that good. It is very political, but aside from that it is awesome on its own.

[Zombie]

Yeah, I had no idea to expect it to be that good. It is very political, but aside from that it is awesome on its own.
Political?????
I never see that movie! :lol

[The sone]

is dubya in it?

[Xolotl]

Yeah definitely worth the extra money to see it at IMAX. Hugo Weaving is the man

[ObiwanGinobili]

I want to see this movie bad.

you natalie portman never said she was a role model. and there is a lot of stuff we don't know about her.. liek when she was in Harvard she smnoked weed every day....

[ObiwanGinobili]

^^ shameless post to check my vBookie.

[CharlieMac]

I refuse to believe it was better than Assassins.

[1Parker1]

That's funny you said that, Manny. Because I've read and heard about 6 or 7 reviews on the movie and every single critic completely bashed the movie. They found the guy wiht the Phantom of the Opera mask to hilarious....if that means anything. I haven't seen then movie, and I wasn't planning on it after reading the reviews.

[JoePublic]

The Trolls know Vendetta (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36370&highlight=Vendetta)

Loved it.

[atxrocker]

natalie portman=hot

[CheapBastard]

I'll wait for it to come on TNT!

word.

[Summers]

We saw it yesterday afternoon (sadly, it's like the third movie we've gone out to see since we had Ben... who turns 3 in a couple weeks... thank God for Netflix). We both really liked it a lot. If you go in knowing it's based on a graphic novel, the more fantastical stuff makes sense.

[Vashner]

It's sounds like a stupid leftist flic. The director admits he does not like Bush. Hey i'll credit him for honesty.

This is like the other 2 movies this year trying to make terrorists look good.

What's next? The life story of a Mohammed atta... a hero"

I don't blame the actors this guy does know how to make a good action movie of course.

[Trainwreck2100]

This is like the other 2 movies this year trying to make terrorists look good.

What's next? The life story of a Mohammed atta... a hero"



So you were never a fan of Robin Hood?

[Vashner]

Well I said I give the director credit for honesty. It's cool to have different views. My opinion is that it tries to make some terrorsts look like they are doing good.

The princess even said it could be considered modern day Iran or America...

..... PICK one of 2... Win a prize.

I am sure it's a good movie hey more power too them. Soldiers fight so mean evil people can make stupid movies.

Hold on.. wait a sec.. some other anarchist just lit my truck on fire and are trying to break into my house... oh the world is so better off now without all that CIA stuff.. wait... ones breaking into the front door.. let me call 911..

HELLO welcome to 911 system.. we no longer spy on people so we don't do calls. If you wish emergency service too bad because we have no rule of law.. this is a recording.. click.

Yea life would be so much better without Amerika blowing up poor Japan with nukes and picking on Saddam..

WE BLEW UP baby milk factory!!!

And we blew up an Al Queda meeting.... yea they almost killed my sister in NYC on 911 but let's drop some food instead of a bomb...

V for Vendetta.. death to bush.. long live Osama and HAMAS..

.. wait someone else is at the door. The guy across the street wants some stuff to make a bomb to blow up the cafe... yea we much better this way...

BUSH SUCks.. he lied V for VEnDETTA!!!

/rant off

[Trainwreck2100]

Yes but stories like this have been around long before Bush, the V book was written in 82. and just because the director doesn't like Bush doesn't make it a metaphor.

[T Park]

Nooo it doesn't what so ever :lmao


Its a story, but why should it suprise?

Weve been hearing for a long time the bed wetters wanting to just "talk" to the terrorists.

[MannyIsGod]

The simple political minds who went to go see would interpret it as a leftist film when its actualy very much an anarchists film.

[MannyIsGod]

Nooo it doesn't what so ever :lmao


Its a story, but why should it suprise?

Weve been hearing for a long time the bed wetters wanting to just "talk" to the terrorists.I'd love to see you come up with a legitimate quote where somebody said that.

[spurschick]

The trailers have intrigued me over the past few days. I don't get to the movies much and usually wait for DVD, but I want more scoop on the movie tonight at the GTG.

[MannyIsGod]

That's funny you said that, Manny. Because I've read and heard about 6 or 7 reviews on the movie and every single critic completely bashed the movie. They found the guy wiht the Phantom of the Opera mask to hilarious....if that means anything. I haven't seen then movie, and I wasn't planning on it after reading the reviews.Rotton Tomatoes takes all the reviews and gives movies a score, and they have it at a 75% which isn't bad at all.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes but stories like this have been around long before Bush, the V book was written in 82. and just because the director doesn't like Bush doesn't make it a metaphor.Orwell was writting about Bush as well. Don't you know? These Hannity clones know nothing of real history. If they did, they might nto be Hannity clones.

[T Park]

I'd love to see you come up with a legitimate quote where somebody said that

Harry Smith, CBS this morning.


These Hannity clones know nothing of real history

haha

[Kori Ellis]

Two other people I know saw this movie. Both of them hated it. One said it was the worst movie of all time.

[T Park]

Wow.

Worse than SheDevil?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I heard that the author of the graphic novel was so upset with the script that he has since distanced himself from the movie.

I don't know if I'll see it - it doesn't seem to grab me all that much.

[Summers]

Well I said I give the director credit for honesty. It's cool to have different views. My opinion is that it tries to make some terrorsts look like they are doing good.

The princess even said it could be considered modern day Iran or America...

..... PICK one of 2... Win a prize.

I am sure it's a good movie hey more power too them. Soldiers fight so mean evil people can make stupid movies.

Hold on.. wait a sec.. some other anarchist just lit my truck on fire and are trying to break into my house... oh the world is so better off now without all that CIA stuff.. wait... ones breaking into the front door.. let me call 911..

HELLO welcome to 911 system.. we no longer spy on people so we don't do calls. If you wish emergency service too bad because we have no rule of law.. this is a recording.. click.

Yea life would be so much better without Amerika blowing up poor Japan with nukes and picking on Saddam..

WE BLEW UP baby milk factory!!!

And we blew up an Al Queda meeting.... yea they almost killed my sister in NYC on 911 but let's drop some food instead of a bomb...

V for Vendetta.. death to bush.. long live Osama and HAMAS..

.. wait someone else is at the door. The guy across the street wants some stuff to make a bomb to blow up the cafe... yea we much better this way...

BUSH SUCks.. he lied V for VEnDETTA!!!

/rant off

wtf ever, dude. As Trainwreck pointed out, it's not a new story, and it's based on a British graphic novel. It was more a commentary on the Thatcher administration than anything contemporary. I don't get why you're condemning a movie you obviously have no intention to see. It's got a cool Big Brother type vibe; it's about how government with no checks and balances or no reigning in by the people can get too powerful and forget its purpose, which should be to serve the people. Simmer down, now!

[T Park]

don't get why you're condemning a movie you obviously have no intention to see

Free speach no longer allowed?

[Summers]

Free speach no longer allowed?

Exactly, which is why the dude runs around in a Guy Faulkes mask blowing shit up. :lol (Yeah, I get you were being ironic).

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

wtf ever, dude. As Trainwreck pointed out, it's not a new story, and it's based on a British graphic novel. It was more a commentary on the Thatcher administration than anything contemporary. I don't get why you're condemning a movie you obviously have no intention to see. It's got a cool Big Brother type vibe; it's about how government with no checks and balances or no reigning in by the people can get too powerful and forget its purpose, which should be to serve the people. Simmer down, now!

This is Vashner you're talking to here.

He's been stumped by games at Dave & Buster's before. He's not the brightest bulb in the pack,

[T Park]

which is why the dude runs around in a Guy Faulkes mask blowing shit up

If he was a true leftist, he would've wanted to open a "dialogue"


Like Harry Smith with the arabs.

[Summers]

Free speach no longer allowed?

But on a serious note, all I meant was it baffles me when people make an assumption about something they haven't seen/read/whatever and then spout off to everyone else why it's bad or people shouldn't see it. In this case Vasher made an erroneous assumption: the movie isn't a commentary on the Bush administration, unless you infer as much from the way the movie's British government spends more time covering up embarrassments and lying than actually doing anything useful.

[T Park]

He's been stumped by games at Dave & Buster's before. He's not the brightest bulb in the pack


He has made more sense in 2 posts than NBADan and JKMarzetti in 50 years combined.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Free speach no longer allowed?

The free speech isn't being squashed here, it's just that it'd be nice if people had an idea of what they were actually talking about before exercising their rights.

Since Vashner hasn't seen the movie and is making his guesses based on the Rush Limbaugh e-newsletter, he's probably got no idea of what's actually in the flick.

[T Park]

the movie isn't a commentary on the Bush administration

Unfortunately, I think the director wants to though.....

[Jekka]

If he was a true leftist, he would've wanted to open a "dialogue"


Like Harry Smith with the arabs.

Left = more government

Right = Less government

Anarchy = Right

V = Right, not left.

[T Park]

Since Vashner hasn't seen the movie and is making his guesses based on the Rush Limbaugh e-newsletter, he's probably got no idea of what's actually in the flick.

I haven't seen the movie, I have heard the overview and have read the summary, and, if the director, a said bush hater (what a suprise a hollywood elitist a lefty shocking!) wouldn't want this to be a said bash on the current administration, well, Im sorry, thats head in the sand mentality.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And if the director wants to come out with that type of movie, so be it...it's just so much his right to do so just as much as it's your right to go see it or not, or hold and voice the opinions you do.

[T Park]

No one is denying that I don't think.

I'm not....

[Trainwreck2100]

No one is denying that I don't think.

I'm not....

???

[T Park]

Im not saying he has no right to put this out.

But to say its a good movie to show during war time is wrong.


Miss the days of WW2 when they would show PRO america films....

[Jekka]

Miss the days of WW2 when they would show PRO america films....

Ah yes, the good ole days before Civil Rights, where non-white soldiers would watch pro-American films and then go fight for their country, so they could come home to be harassed and segregated again.

Don't ignore context.

[timvp]

Miss the days of WW2 when they would show PRO america films....

You'd love communism.

[MannyIsGod]

Im not saying he has no right to put this out.

But to say its a good movie to show during war time is wrong.


Miss the days of WW2 when they would show PRO america films....This is the most ironic post in a thread about V for Vendeta.

Stalin, Hitler, and Sadaam are right up your alley buddy.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know what Harry whatever said, but I'd love for you to provide a link. I don't really care other than I want to take your hijacking of this thread and shove it up your idiot ass.

If you could read, you would notice many times above that it has been pointed out to you that the movie is not a leftist movie. You're so much of a blockhead that you don't understand that if something is anti government it doesn't mean it is too the left, it means it is too the right. The movie is anti government. If you think back your vast years of political science classes Tpark, ( :lmao ) you will remember that the republicans used to be the party of smaller government before they were hijacked by a neoconservative agenda. Remember when you saw those incredible Bush debates in 2000 where he so eloquently and intelligently told us all how nation building was not the way to go?

But yes, in you're hollow little head, the people on the left want nothing more than to sit around with Osama and sing Kumbafuckingya while burn copies of the bible and pray to the devil for more vulgarity on the radio.

You're a complete moron who loves to bust out with his sarcastic one liners that could be scripted for a Sean Hannity impersenators festival but you can't wrap your brain around simple political concepts. You're so busy trying to be conservative that you dont' even realize when you embrace facist principles.

[MannyIsGod]

Two other people I know saw this movie. Both of them hated it. One said it was the worst movie of all time.I don't think everyone is going to like it. Its not an action movie like the Maxtrix, but it does have action scenes. In the movie, they make a big deal about "ideas" and "symbols" but the movie itself is an "idea".

Its hard to explain without giving things away, though.

[T Park]

You'd love communism

Didn't know we had communistic rule in 1945.


but I'd love for you to provide a link

Show me how you link live TV, and I'll do it chief.
If you could read, you would notice many times above that it has been pointed out to you that the movie is not a leftist movie.[/QUOTE]

I know that, I was corrected by your lovely future bride and I apologize, and EXTREME right, film.


the people on the left want nothing more than to sit around with Osama and sing Kumbafuckingya while burn copies of the bible and pray to the devil for more vulgarity on the radio.


Sounds like the ACLU and Howard Dean wrapped up into one pretty little package.


You're a complete moron who loves to bust out with his sarcastic one liners that could be scripted for a Sean Hannity impersenators festival but you can't wrap your brain around simple political concepts. You're so busy trying to be conservative that you dont' even realize when you embrace facist principles

So, now Im a facist??

Thanks......



Stalin, Hitler, and Sadaam are right up your alley buddy.


I supported the war to remove Saddam, sooo I HIGHLY doubt that...



Ah yes, the good ole days before Civil Rights, where non-white soldiers would watch pro-American films and then go fight for their country, so they could come home to be harassed and segregated again.



No, the good old days of films by John Wayne and others being PRO america.

Is that so horrible to want a PRO america film??

Pardon me....
[QUOTE]

[MannyIsGod]

Show me how you link live TV, and I'll do it chief.
a) link to a transcript of the show.
b) link to a blog/article about the show.
c) link to previous statements by the man saying the same thing. The guys who go on news shows say the same things over and over.



Sounds like the ACLU and Howard Dean wrapped up into one pretty little package.
No, it doesn't. The ACLU has nothing to do with forgien affairs, to begin with.



So, now Im a facist??

Thanks......
You don't even know what facism is.



I supported the war to remove Saddam, sooo I HIGHLY doubt that...
The things you believe in are not very far off from their trains of thought.




No, the good old days of films by John Wayne and others being PRO america.

Is that so horrible to want a PRO america film??

Pardon me....
No, its horrible how you run your mouth then bust out the "poor me" tone in some way shape or form at the end. What is it this week Tpark? A tumor of the brain? No, you would need a brain for that wouldn't you?

[MannyIsGod]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/weezywantscoffee/blockheadtpark.jpg

[Cant_Be_Faded]

:lmao i knew someone would bring the thread to this the second i clicked on it

tpark you're hilarious


About the movie though--Scale of 1 to 10?
I have wanted to see this, but I kinda forgot it was released this weekend.

[dougp]

The movie was awesome, despite it's political grounds. That's why the original Author of the Graphic Novel distanced himself from the W Brothers screenplay. I really hated the changes that were done in regards to including American influences & current situations, but it was still a great movie.

[JMarkJohns]

I don't know if this has already been said of the film, as I haven't read everything posted. I didn't care to get involved in the personal issues here, so I just kinda skimmed.

In my opinion, the government that is depicted is much more like a radical Islamist power than anything. They confiscate art, music, teachings... basically anything deemed offensive for no other reason than that said person deems it offensive. They suppress free speech to the extent where any dissent is met with death. They give only the news they believe is relevent to keeping the populous informed of their agenda and do so through lies and manipulation by the government-run broadcast station. There are curfews and women aren't seemingly thought much of.

Serisouly, I know names and issues were changed to make this a more controversial film, but the the rebellion really isn't against today's America as much as it's against today's radical Islam.

Every reason why America should be encouraged and supported for this war was depicted in this film. True, the plot has been twisted. but if one went in and new nothing of the subtle political jabs, one could easily see that the inspiration for this films tyranical government was far more the Middle East and far less Western Culture.

But in order to market the film to a civilized world that can actually see such a movie, they changed things aroud a bit.


That's the political take I have.

As for the film, if you can ignore the lame attempts at controversy, it's a very good film. If you can see the importance of the message, then you'd see why America is to "V" as Radical Islam is to the government he's hellbent on overthrowing.

I enjoyed many aspects, but would find it hard to recommend, because many might not be able to see it as I did.

It's certainly thought-provoking, though, again, it's attempt at being controversial is now overhyped and came up rather lame.

[Faccia di Angelo]

I was supposed to see this movie yesterday, but it didn't happen. But I still want to check it out. I never trust what critics say, they're full of crap.

I did just get back from watching "Night Watch" tho. Wow. Very cool movie. I highly recommend that, for those that don't mind its in Russian and you have to read the sub-titles. Its the first one in the Trilogy. Very good movie imo.
I also saw the previews for the new movie, Scanner Darkly. That's gonna be different.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know if this has already been said of the film, as I haven't read everything posted. I didn't care to get involved in the personal issues here, so I just kinda skimmed.

In my opinion, the government that is depicted is much more like a radical Islamist power than anything. They confiscate art, music, teachings... basically anything deemed offensive for no other reason than that said person deems it offensive. They suppress free speech to the extent where any dissent is met with death. They give only the news they believe is relevent to keeping the populous informed of their agenda and do so through lies and manipulation by the government-run broadcast station. There are curfews and women aren't seemingly thought much of.

It is depicting a facist regime, not America. It's an arguement against government as a whole. Many Islamic governments are indeed facist so they would fit into the same category as the government in the movie.



Serisouly, I know names and issues were changed to make this a more controversial film, but the the rebellion really isn't against today's America as much as it's against today's radical Islam.
The film was made to fit into todays world. It wasn't made to be against America although America is heading down a very hegemonic path it is no where near the level of the government in the film. Once again, it wasn't made to be a symbol against Islamic countries in general, but facism and government in general. The film is very pro classic anarchist.



Every reason why America should be encouraged and supported for this war was depicted in this film. True, the plot has been twisted. but if one went in and new nothing of the subtle political jabs, one could easily see that the inspiration for this films tyranical government was far more the Middle East and far less Western Culture.
You're out of your mind here. America has done nothing but increase government size in the past 5 years and institute very hegemonic principles with the Defense of Marriage Act etc so for you to spin this into a Pro American film is incredibly far off base.

[JMarkJohns]

I wasn't turning it into a Pro-America film. I was mainly saying that the government depicted is hardly a Western Culture society and much more Radical Islam...

Which led me to this observation...

If the movie wants its audience to side with that of the revolution, namely because of the injustice being done by the films government against the films populous, then a real life application could/should be made that America's ongoing fight against sects of Radical Islam should at the very least be understood, if not supported.

If the message of the movie was to make unjust governments be held accountable for their actions against their populous, by the populous, then how can the movie audience sympathise on film, then condemn in real life?

Of course the movie isn't Pro-America, but it is Pro-liberty and pro-justice for all... That's what I took.

Even if it had some anarchist ideals, such as the revolt itself, I thought they were largely overshadowed by the pursuit of liberty and justice for all...

[MannyIsGod]

I wasn't turning it into a Pro-America film. I was mainly saying that the government depicted is hardly a Western Culture society and much more Radical Islam...

Which led me to this observation...

If the movie wants its audience to side with that of the revolution, namely because of the injustice being done by the films government against the films populous, then a real life application could/should be made that America's ongoing fight against sects of Radical Islam should at the very least be understood, if not supported.

If the message of the movie was to make unjust governments be held accountable for their actions against their populous, by the populous, then how can the movie audience sympathise on film, then condemn in real life?

Of course the movie isn't Pro-America, but it is Pro-liberty and pro-justice for all... That's what I took.

Even if it had some anarchist ideals, such as the revolt itself, I thought they were largely overshadowed by the pursuit of liberty and justice for all...I think you misunderstand anarchy. Anarchy is the absence of government of any form. The constant theme in this film is against government. The film cannot be anagolous to the US war on radical Islam because the film does not deal with 2 governments against each other but people against their own government. If you want to make comparisons between Islamo Facist governments and the government in the film you can absolutely do so correctly. You could even drawn lines between the revolutionists in Iran and the people in the film. But you can't hold the US in a favorable light within the context of this movie when we are undertaking many of the negatives in the film at this time. It just won't fly.

[JMarkJohns]

Perhaps I'll need to see it again, but anarchy, in my view, was never the theme of importance that you're making it out to be.

I understand where you're coming from and see that you, for the most part, see where I'm coming from.

I don't, however, see where anarchy was the central reason for the revolution. I interpreted it to be the seeking of liberty for the populous and justice against the tyranical, facist dictatorship. Certainly, aspects of anarchy were incorperated, but I didn't come away with the notion that the government was overthrown just for the hell of it, or did I come away thinking that once done, society would stay in such a fashion.

I get it. They were partakers in a revolution, but that in no way makes them anymore the anarchists that the sepratists were waaaayyyyy back in the mid-to-late 1700's...

Anyway... Again, I'm not saying the film is pro-America. I'm saying a person can look at the film and see, if not take aspects of the film that directly apply to real life, specifically the war and America's and Islam's roles within.

The movie isn't intentionally promoting it, but if one wished to connect the dots the film laid out, it's a logical step...

But I've stated my thoughts on the movie and the aspects from which, that I chose to apply. I no longer wish to discuss it. It's out there...

Perhaps I'm not seeing or remembering something. Perhaps I'm reading too much into things. Perhaps, we both are to a certain extent...

[MannyIsGod]

I don't, however, see where anarchy was the central reason for the revolution. I interpreted it to be the seeking of liberty for the populous and justice against the tyranical, facist dictatorship. Certainly, aspects of anarchy were incorperated, but I didn't come away with the notion that the government was overthrown just for the hell of it, or did I come away thinking that once done, society would stay in such a fashion.
Anarchy is synounomous with seeking liberty for a populous!!!!

Hence, the term Libertarian coming from Liberty!



I get it. They were partakers in a revolution, but that in no way makes them anymore the anarchists that the sepratists were waaaayyyyy back in the mid-to-late 1700's...
Well, the those "sepratists" were very much Libertarians which is about as close to anarchy as you can come. They were anarchists!



Anyway... Again, I'm not saying the film is pro-America. I'm saying a person can look at the film and see, if not take aspects of the film that directly apply to real life, specifically the war and America's and Islam's roles within.
You can't take a film about revolution and use it to find similiarities on anything but a revolution. Its that simple.



The movie isn't intentionally promoting it, but if one wished to connect the dots the film laid out, it's a logical step...

But I've stated my thoughts on the movie and the aspects from which, that I chose to apply. I no longer wish to discuss it. It's out there...

Perhaps I'm not seeing or remembering something. Perhaps I'm reading too much into things. Perhaps, we both are to a certain extent...

[aaronstampler]

I liked the movie a lot. The world it describes in England is like a combination of Nazi Germany and Orwellian fantasy. Basically, you can't question government or be gay. Oh, and there's only one TV channel, and the gov't controls all the programming on it. Anybody who thinks this is an anti-America, Bush hating leftist movie needs to chill out. Bush is against gay marriage, but I'm pretty sure he's not for gay torture and death. Also, last I checked, nobody cares if I watch Comedy Central or HBO where comedians bash our government all day long. So we're not exactly living in a fascist nightmare.

It's just a fun movie, the best one I've seen in '06 (which means nothing by the way), and I like the movie's motto, "People aren't supposed to be afraid of their government, the government is supposed to be afraid of its people."

It is a PRO America movie. Just a 1776 kinda America, that's all.

[JMarkJohns]

The film isn't an Anti-government film. It's an anti-that specific government film.

So to say it's anarchy because they were overthrowing a corrupt, murderous regime in the name of liberty and justice just doesn't make complete sense to me.

Anarchist ideal, yes... Whole and complete anarchy, no...

Had that government been openminded towards religions, peoples, cultures, I don't sense the conflict. It was the overbearingness of the depicted regime that drew the ire of the people and the crimes of the leaders that helped sound the bell of freedom.

Had they not been overbearing and evil, I'm not seeing the need for a revolution, thus to say their revolt was pure anarchy just isn't correct in my opinion.

Now look what you've done... You made me respond!!!

DAMN IT!

[MannyIsGod]

Jmark, with all due respect I don't think you understand political anarchism/libertarianism all that much.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

libertarianism = socialism = wrong [/tpark]

[JMarkJohns]

I don't. I also don't see how it applies as much as you make it sound...

I said there's anarchist ideals. I just can't concede whole, complete anarchy for the reason of the revolution, but I'm not as in to politics as most, so it may just be me.

To an extent, it seems we agree, until the anarchy issues comes in.

so, let's just leave it at that...

[MannyIsGod]

Complete anarchy isn't the reason for the revolution. Being free is the reason for the revolution. But anarchist reasoning is that the government is ultimately always limiting your freedom.

The reason anarchists revolt against the government is to be free which is parrallel to this film!

[Ginofan]

We just got back from seeing it. I was pretty impressed. I wasn't expecting much going into it but after watching it I think it was one of the best movies I've ever seen, seriously. I'm probably the least political person on this board but I even enjoyed it. I'd recommend it to anyone, even if you think it's about Bush-hating or not Bush-hating, or whatever...just go see it before you judge it.

[JMarkJohns]

Complete anarchy isn't the reason for the revolution. Being free is the reason for the revolution. But anarchist reasoning is that the government is ultimately always limiting your freedom.

The reason anarchists revolt against the government is to be free which is parrallel to this film!

Now, that makes sense and is very similer to my line of thinking. My only difference was that instead of complete definition of goverment (as in every type), it was more focused on a spcific form of goverment and had their been a differing form, one more understanding, less corrupt and tolerant, then the revolution wouldn't have occured.

We're similer in opinion, I just take a little bit more liberty in forming an opinion :)

Before I couldn't, but now I see from whence you cometh :D

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I don't. I also don't see how it applies as much as you make it sound...

I said there's anarchist ideals. I just can't concede whole, complete anarchy for the reason of the revolution, but I'm not as in to politics as most, so it may just be me.

To an extent, it seems we agree, until the anarchy issues comes in.

so, let's just leave it at that...


I think you are missing the fact that pretty much all established governments slowly and steadily head towards an extreme, an extreme that seems to be depicted in this film. You said yourself, its not againt "governmetn but that type of government"

well naturally
Cuz that type of government is what all governments inevitably become.


No government is an island, unchanging and uninfluenced.

That is why (based on history) revolutions seem to go in cycles.
Read Animal Farm or something.

[JMarkJohns]

I think you are missing the fact that pretty much all established governments slowly and steadily head towards an extreme, an extreme that seems to be depicted in this film. You said yourself, its not againt "governmetn but that type of government"

well naturally
Cuz that type of government is what all governments inevitably become.


No government is an island, unchanging and uninfluenced.

That is why (based on history) revolutions seem to go in cycles.
Read Animal Farm or something.

Yes I see now. I was taking a specific of the movie and interpreting it literally. Others took the same specific and interpreted it figuratively.

Got it. Thanks...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Well a movie about a revolution is a movie about a revolution.

This seems pretty straightforward to me.
Taking a movie about a revolution and assuming its anti-islamic fascism and pro-usa against iraq is not.

[MannyIsGod]

Exactly. Animal farm is a great similarity. Orwell's work is all genius.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I still haven't seen it (fucking show times were too late today) but unless bald Natalie and the masked dude were advocating democracy and death of muslims then it seems common sense to realize its all about anarchy...

[JMarkJohns]

Well a movie about a revolution is a movie about a revolution.

This seems pretty straightforward to me.
Taking a movie about a revolution and assuming its anti-islamic fascism and pro-usa against iraq is not.

Good Lord... I had two comments. One on the movie, one from which I could apply certain aspects of the movie.

My misunderstanding of the complexities of anarchy stemmed from the first area of comment. I made comment that the revolution was against a specific type of goverment, not government in general and blah, blah, blah ensued.

Thanks. You've been most helpful in an arrogant, prickish fashion.

From there, I said that aspects of the film could be applied to real life. Not that it was the films intent, but that a person could draw a line from scenerios on screen to scenerios in real life.

I never said the film was a pro-USA metaphor. In fact I said it wasn't pro-America at all.

Again, thanks for all you comments. You've added some new perspective to the film, which was all that was needed. Shame you couldn't check the elitist attitude on your way in to the coverse.

Like I said in my initial post. I wanted to avoid personal issues. Forgive me for tiptoeing around in an attempt to both express my opinion, but also seek the why's for others.

Manny was objective enough and gave some good insight. I now see what I couldn't see at first post.

I never pretended to know what I was talking about in reguards to anarchism and such. Thanks for rubbing my nose in my own ignorance.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Sorry didn't mean to come off like that

[scott]

The movie was alright... this thread is way better.

I can't wait for the poker GTG when Manny and TPark are in the same room. I will make sure to have CNN or FoxNews on.

[JMarkJohns]

It's a good film.

Believe it or not, I hve read and seen a cartoon of "Animal Farm" for an ethics course a few years back. I got aspects then, just as I got aspects now, but I guess I missed where a revolution against a government may as well be a revolution against every government since any authority can turn corrupt at any second.

I guess what I was going for was more of a semi-controlled anarchism, which is, of course, absurd. Maybe anarchy with an intent for social improvement is better put.

Now I'm babbling... and probably less coherantly than when I started, so I bid this farewell...

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

The movie was alright... this thread is way better.

I can't wait for the poker GTG when Manny and TPark are in the same room. I will make sure to have CNN or FoxNews on.

Why do you think I signed up to so easily have my money taken?

I tells ya, it's more of a value than the movies.

[T Park]

No thanks...

Im pretty close to serving the ban I talked about.

The personal insults about my fiance, and acusing me of being a liar?

Leave it to guys like Buddy Holly.

I don't deserve it. Thanks.

[scott]

No thanks...

Im pretty close to serving the ban I talked about.

The personal insults about my fiance, and acusing me of being a liar?

Leave it to guys like Buddy Holly.

I don't deserve it. Thanks.

I have no clue what you are talking about - but I hope you come to the poker GTG.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Buddy Holly has shown nothing but respect for Tpark

[MannyIsGod]

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit.

[Opinionater]

IMHO, people are making too much out of this MOVIE. I watched it and like it for the entertainment value....and Natalie Portman.

[Ginofan]

Im not saying he has no right to put this out.

But to say its a good movie to show during war time is wrong.


Miss the days of WW2 when they would show PRO america films....
Dude, STFU...You get more ignorant every single day.

-TheTruth

[Master Shake]

This movie is a great fucking movie, i loved it, i loved it, and did i mention i loved it...well its actually like a few movies all put under one roof, it has a Schindlers List appeal to it, as well as a play on Phantom of the opera. None the less its a great fucking movie

[MoSpur]

I watched it on Saturday at the IMAX. It was worth it. I liked it a lot. One of the best? Not in my opinion. Number one, its a movie. It is suppose to entertain you. It did that. It makes you think, but have I changed my views about the government? No. I won't allow a movie to sway my views on politics.

[batman2883]

I hated the way they made the US looked in that movie though that we were a leper colony now befuddled with civil war, and that we lost a war against england....thats bollox

[MoSpur]

Its a very good entertaining movie. As far as content. Its good. Not great.

[batman2883]

Great entertaining movie..........i loved it....simply enjoyed it, and natalie portman is fine as hell even bald

[MoSpur]

I know. Natalie Portman is very pretty.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Natalie Portman looks hideous bald though.

I'd have to throw her a wig.

[MoSpur]

Natalie Portman looks hideous bald though.

I'd have to throw her a wig.
:lol

[JoeChalupa]

Hell, I'd wear a wig for Natalie. This movie doesn't interest me....until it comes out on DVD that is.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

My god, I turn it to msnbc, etc last night, and what's the first thing on Scarborough Country? "Why is V for Vendetta so popular if its against Bush and the War?"

Whats the first thing on other shows? The same exact thing.
God people are so stupid.

Even the Colbert Report said something about it. Naturally he did it in a sarcastic way to show how stupid it is to compare this movie to america's situation.
"London..hmm...that symbolizes Washington DC, Natalie Portman...hmm...she symbolizes Cindy Sheehan..."
hahah
dorks

[MannyIsGod]

People are idiots. The republican blogs are blowing up with how horrible this movie is and they all sound like Tpark. Maybe some of these people should take a single political science class.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

People are idiots. The republican blogs are blowing up with how horrible this movie is and they all sound like Tpark. Maybe some of these people should take a single political science class.

Why can't it be just a movie?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

cuz the conserver's C would E if they had nothing to belittle others about

[MoSpur]

That's what I'm saying. Its a movie. # 1, Intended to make money for all those involved who made it and it did its job as far as that goes. #2, Intended to entertain those who watch so that again, it could make money, it did that as well. #3, Intended to make you think about certain things so that it could..................make money and it did.

[Darrin]

Yes but stories like this have been around long before Bush, the V book was written in 82. and just because the director doesn't like Bush doesn't make it a metaphor.

I just consider the assumption this is just about America and a commentary on the current-day policies is just an indictment of what Bush is doing. He's dressing up a very old policy in new clothes and selling it to the American people as a tailor-made anti-terrorism flak jacket.

The graphic novel is set in Britain because the author was speaking out against Margret Thatcher's conservative policies. Only people who discovered terrorism on September 11, 2001 would think this is about America.

[Darrin]

IMHO, people are making too much out of this MOVIE. I watched it and like it for the entertainment value....and Natalie Portman.

Amen. Portman is an incredible actress and gorgeous, even bald. That's impressive.

The argument of it being "a matter of perspective" where terrorism is concerned is only slightly younger than terrorism itself. Imagine what are history books would say about George Washington if we were still a colony in the British empire. I'm not saying that Washington killing British soldiers in the Apalacian winters is comparable to destroying the World Trade Center, but Great Britain would probably see that differently.

It's actually working the Bush mantra of the "ends justifying the means," and taking it to an extreme. Are certain acts immoral even if the cause is just? If anything, the terrorist character can be related more to Bush than to bin Ladin, if it has a contemporary message. Asking that question would have to assume that Bin Ladin's cause is just, and I don't think anyone says that.

But while you are talking about the amazing Natalie Portman, let's not forget that she was born in Israel, where the themes of this movie have very little to do with September 11th and the War on Terror.

[MannyIsGod]

To Kill A Mockingbird was just a movie too. So was The Wizard of Oz. So where any other movies that came from books that had hardcore political messages.

BTW, The Wizard Of Oz is a political movie.

[Phil E.Buster]

I found the plot a bit cheesy. Characters were not too complex and the atmosphere of repressed freedom was not conveyed too realistically.

Reading politics into every movie is ridiculous. But then again some say King Kong is about black people.

[Jekka]

I found the plot a bit cheesy. Characters were not too complex and the atmosphere of repressed freedom was not conveyed too realistically.

Reading politics into every movie is ridiculous. But then again some say King Kong is about black people.

It was a graphic novel before it was a film, it's not supposed to be entirely realistic. And the movie is political whether you think movies should be political or not. The film is based on a graphic novel about government - it's political.

[Phil E.Buster]

It was a graphic novel before it was a film, it's not supposed to be entirely realistic. And the movie is political whether you think movies should be political or not. The film is based on a graphic novel about government - it's political.

Well duh. But you can read politics into every movie ever made is the point I was trying to make.

[Jekka]

Well duh. But you can read politics into every movie ever made is the point I was trying to make.

Except that you made it while simultaneously calling a graphic novel "unrealistic". Anyways, it might be ridiculous to read politics into every movie, but it's an irrelevant point on a movie that IS political.

[MoSpur]

My opinion, its a movie. Does it have to do with gov't? Yes. So what? It meant to entertain. It did just that.

The fact that some people try to read politics into a lot of movies is dumb. If you want to learn about politics read a book or something. If you want to be entertained, go watch a movie.

[kris]

8.9 out of 10

I knew basically 0 about the movie when I entered and expected a little less, but this movie was a nice suprise. The message I got was to be intolerant of facism.

As for reading other stuff into it, sure you can.

X can look at a rock and thoughts of evolution and the existence of man occur.

Y can look at a rock and see a squirrel that looks like Abe Lincoln.

Z can look at a rock and see a rock.

Whether it's there or intended to be there?

That's grey. Some of the answer can depend on the creator. Sometimes part of the answer is obvious to most people. Some of the answer everybody just sees differently because they are I.

This movie I watched and and took it at it's face. What was there was what was there, I didn't search for anything else and I didn't decide anything else was there.

My suggestions are as follows:

a) hold comment until you see it
2. see it
third - Don't buy food at the movies

[MannyIsGod]

I'm glad you liked it. I think I may go see it again.

[kris]

I'm glad you liked it. I think I may go see it again.


Just remember S is for Sea World.

[Spurminator]

Saw it at IMAX last night. A little silly at times (and not very subtle in its jabs at recent events), but overall a pretty good movie. 7.5/10.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I finally saw this movie. Fucking awesome, yo!! Every other step of the way, I laughed my ass off thinking of the incredibly smart minds that thought this movie was anti-america and anti-right.

:lmao
retards

[Sisk]

Great movie tbh

[MannyIsGod]

Just bought the bluray tbh. :lol Tpark.

[benefactor]

One of the few movies I own that I have watched many times over.

[Nick Manning]

Excellent film.

[JMarkJohns]

Just bought the bluray tbh. :lol Tpark.

In Tparks defense, I was a schmuck too... For what it's worth, it was one of the first films I bought on bluray.

[CuckingFunt]

How was I ever able to read threads like this and not contribute?

I've become entirely too enthralled with the sound of my own keyboard.

[Sisk]

This movie has so many incredible quotes.

[redzero]

The comic was better. joking I never finished the comic

[Nick Manning]

The comic was better. joking I never finished the comic

You would say something like that.

[DMC]

Ooh I have it and haven't watched it. thx for the reminder.

[Frenzy]

It was awesome till to many people started to like it....so now it sucks.

[Fpoonsie]

Imhcq5s9OLs

[DMC]

Heat? Is that a movie?

[Sisk]

Heat? Is that a movie?

Yes

[monosylab1k]

not bad. certainly not worth orgasming over though.

[DAF86]

I got angry and amused at reading T-Park's comments on this thread.

[Blake]

lol, thought the movie sucked.