Nowitzki plays like an MVP

[Kori Ellis]

Nowitzki plays like an MVP

Web Posted: 04/08/2006 12:18 AM CDT
Mike Finger
Express-News Staff Writer

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA040806.9C.BKNspurs.nowitzki.13c56ad7.html

As if Dirk Nowitzki wasn't already painfully familiar with his Southwest Division rivals before, he spent much of Friday night at the AT&T Center getting to know each of the Spurs on a one-by-one — and often, two-by-two — basis.

There was plenty of time spent with Bruce Bowen, who as usual, tried to be as much of a nuisance as possible. Then there were a few minutes with Nazr Mohammed, a couple of possessions with Fabricio Oberto and Michael Finley, and the bulk of the second half with Tim Duncan.

And after they all had their turn at harassing the Dallas Mavericks' star forward? All Nowitzki had to show for it was 30 points, 10 rebounds, a crucial 92-86 victory over the Spurs and some newfound legitimacy to his campaign for Most Valuable Player.

"They were doing some funky things to him," Mavericks guard Jerry Stackhouse said of the Spurs' variety of double-teams and defensive looks. "But he took advantage of it."

After being held to 10-for-28 shooting in Dallas' previous two losses to the Spurs and making only 4 of 13 shots in the first half Friday, Nowitzki came out firing in the second half.

He swished jumpers — one over Duncan and one over Bowen — on each of the Mavericks' first two third-quarter possessions and went on to hit seven of his last 10 shots. With less than 2:30 remaining, he scored baskets on back-to-back trips to help put the game away for Dallas, which pulled within a game of the Spurs for the division and conference lead.

"More than anything, I had to settle down," Nowitzki said. "I was able to find my rhythm pretty quick there (in the second half)."

Nowitzki, who was coming off a 29-point effort against Sacramento defensive stopper Ron Artest, hit his second-half surge despite the Spurs making an almost endless string of defensive adjustments designed to stop him.

Bowen was on him for most of the first half and at the end of the fourth quarter, but Duncan defended Nowitzki for most of the second half — either by design or as a result of pick-and-roll switches.

And afterwards, some of his teammates were already acting like voting for the league's biggest individual honor should be closed.

"Thank God for the MVP," Dallas guard Jason Terry said. "That says a lot about your leader when he gets challenged and keeps answering the call. That's what he did."

[jaffies]

I fuckin hate Dallas and Dirk.


but THIS GUY DESERVES THE MVP!!!!!!


hands down.

[mouse.]

You tell em Kori! I know deep down inside your a closet Maverick fan :smokin

[Kori Ellis]

Why are you using the mouse. user name? What happened to the regular Mouse?

[Trifecta]

You tell em Kori! I know deep down inside your a closet Maverick fan :smokin

Kori is just like Fox News -- fair and balanced! :princess

[TDMVPDPOY]

His been playin like this since last season, i dont know why ppl are still baggin him about his defense, then shouldnt they also be baggin about nashs defense last n this season.

[kris]

After looking at the standings and evaluating the teams, I'd give Dirk the MVP. He's pretty much playing with trash and has the Mavs at a 750 clip. 2nd place - Lebron.

[T-Pain]

I fuckin hate Dallas and Dirk.


but THIS GUY DESERVES THE MVP!!!!!!


hands down.


nah, not Dirk. either LeBron, Kobe, or Steve. I think Chris Paul deserves it more than Dirk

[dieman8686]

In that case Van Horn should win... got inurjed and without him it makes his team a lot better. He is MVP HANDS DOWN!

[T Park]

Nowitzki passed Nash IMO after tonight, in my book.

[SenorSpur]

Dirk has earned strong consideration. It'll come down between Nash, Dirk and Billups.

Perhaps the league should split it three ways.

[SequSpur]

Kobe Bryant is the MVP. Dirk is a shooting guard.

[adrienne]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Dirk_Nowitzki.jpg

MVP! MVP! MVP!

[leemajors]

kobe has been sick the last few games.

[Pandaemonaeon]

I've read somewhere that Texas have a lot of votes spread out so that might help Dirk given that Houston and San Antonio don't have any legitimate MVP candidates - unless you count Parker. If not, then the Mavs really have to wrap up the 1st seed or Dirk dusts up his "LeBron statpadder suit™" -- both scenarios have a very small likelihood of happening though.

[texasqb2]

haha what's the deal with the boobs popping up on people's profiles?-Guess I have been away too long.

[exstatic]

Pau > Dirk.

[mavsfan1000]

Pau > Dirk.
Oh yeah he proved that today and getting owned by Duncan. :lol

[exstatic]

Pau is a PF/C. Dirk is a SG.

Pau has a post game, even against players his own size. Dirk won't even take Parker into the post once he catches the ball.

[mavsfan1000]

Pau has no jump shot and isn't as strong as Duncan.

[exstatic]

Pau has no jump shot and isn't as strong as Duncan.

I won't argue the strength, but Pau's perimeter game is better than Dirks post game. Dirk can only post up smaller guys, and only establish position without the ball, and THEN receive the entry pass. He couldn't back down my grandmother.

[1Parker1]

Dirk, Nash, or Billups. I doubt they'd give it to Lebron this year...

Up until recently, I thought Kobe would get it. Then he went and scored 51 points against the Suns...and the Lakers still lost. He also missed some clutch shots against the Nuggets before that game also.

[spurster]

It's Dirk or BIllups. It would have been Billups for sure if the Pistons stayed at or close to their 70 wins pace. I think it will depend on who ends the season the strongest.

[nkdlunch]

2 white MVPs 2 years in a row?

[Brutalis]

...on crack.

[Vashner]

Anyone better than greasehead (Nash).

[leemajors]

Anyone better than greasehead (Nash).

giving rick fox's name to nash?

[pache100]

If it's between Dirk and Billups, it's gotta be Billups. (and I'm not saying I agree that it should be between those two...just saying "if")

[mavsfan1000]

Billups is not in Dirk's league. The fact is Detroit has no weaknesses in their starting lineup. 1-5 is strong and not one player is so much more valuable than the others.

[leemajors]

uhhh billups is money in crunch time over 75% of the time, dirk is spotty in crunch time.

[mavsfan1000]

Yeah Dirk really is spotty in clutch time. The last game against the spurs proved that and games all year this year.

[v2000]

Yeah Dirk really is spotty in clutch time. The last game against the spurs proved that and games all year this year.
yea, leading the league (i dont know if he is now, but he was WAY ahead of the rest of the league for a LONG time) in crunch time points (5 minutes left in the 4th and OT) shows that he its not very clutch... makes perfect sense...

how could they say stuff like that? Dirk is one of the best clutch players in the league.

[leemajors]

billups has 2 trips to the finals, one ring. he was minutes away from a second ring, in large part due to his efforts. regular season is not crunch time.

[leemajors]

yea, leading the league (i dont know if he is now, but he was WAY ahead of the rest of the league for a LONG time) in crunch time points (5 minutes left in the 4th and OT) shows that he its not very clutch... makes perfect sense...

how could they say stuff like that? Dirk is one of the best clutch players in the league.

what happened to dirk vs phoenix last year?

[JHoLove]

Too bad its not the MVP for crunch time.

[mavsfan1000]

Yeah that would go to Carmelo. Statistically he is the most clutch player in the league. Does that make him the MVP? Nope.

[x0xbillupsx0x]

Yeah that would go to Carmelo. Statistically he is the most clutch player in the league. Does that make him the MVP? Nope.
if you add billups being clutch with his impressive assist/turnover and his diffrential in winning percentage from the recent yr(2nd seed in the east to best overall record(and to add to the impressive record against the top teams in the mighty west) he is hands down mvp.he may have a good team but he is the leader on the good team,who does the ball go to when game is on the line?(billups)because of his threat clutch 3's and free throws and ability to find open men and make plays for them!
if you take the 7 games alone that billups won in last second shot winnings pistons would be 31/2 games behind spurs in the losing column instead of the winning column .thats just 7 examples of how important billups is not including his playmaking and leadership on the team!
and domination of his playing skills and ability of being able to take over games like he did against the recent game against the suns on national tv!

[mavsfan1000]

Billups is a great clutch player but Detroit's starting lineup is full of clutch players. It is pick your poison and Billups is playing at a new level because of it. Ben Wallace is up there with the level of importance as well on the defensive end.

[x0xbillupsx0x]

Billups is a great clutch player but Detroit's starting lineup is full of clutch players. It is pick your poison and Billups is playing at a new level because of it. Ben Wallace is up there with the level of importance as well on the defensive end.
ben wallace has no impact on billups assist/turnover margin or the outburst billups did against the suns or other teams for that matter.ben has actually been off his game the game against the pacer's was actually bens real good game in along time!he has not been a huge impact for the pistons.mathmacally every formula has billups on top because of his overall number's .
billups leading his team to the best record and giving them a huge advantage to go to their 3rd straight finals and host a nba final is more valuable then any number's you can scrap up unless you can show me dirk is better in assist/turnover freethrows 3's made and defense combined and wins for his team you wont convince me like i said i have 7 examples why detroit is even 31/2 games above the spurs right now!and thats only 7:)

[ALVAREZ6]

Billups has it way easier than most guys for getting assists, anyone can pass it to Rip coming off a screen who will then shoot a wide open mid-range jumper that goes in all the time.

[x0xbillupsx0x]

Billups has it way easier than most guys for getting assists, anyone can pass it to Rip coming off a screen who will then shoot a wide open mid-range jumper that goes in all the time.
that could be because billups makes plays and gets them open shots without turning the ball over and throwing it over their head!when games are on the line he isn't afraid to take the shot himself cause he knows a player will have to foul him to stop him and he is money at the line!
so he is a double threat he can shoot in crutch time and a accurate passer who doesn't turn the ball over make accurate passes to his teamates!

[mavsfan1000]

I'm not saying Billups isn't a damn good player but just not at Dirk level.

[Spurologist]

This shouldn't even be a conversion.

MVP = Most Valuable Player

Kobe has put up rediculous number. He will be the first player since Jordan to AVG 35+ a game. Billups/Dirk have had great games but they haven't been as consistent as kobe. 35+ a game isn't a small chore. Billups has had many sub-par nights and Dirk has been off many games i.e Bowen had him in lockdown mode. Despite Billups/Dirk success, if they were off of their respective teams, they'd still be above water. With kobe off the fakers on the other hand, they would lose every single game and they'd be bottom dwellers in the western conference. How they are even in 7th place is mind-boggling to me.

As far as value to his team, kobe wins hand down.

[ALVAREZ6]

This shouldn't even be a conversion.

MVP = Most Valuable Player

Kobe has put up rediculous number. He will be the first player since Jordan to AVG 35+ a game. Billups/Dirk have had great games but they haven't been as consistent as kobe. 35+ a game isn't a small chore. Billups has had many sub-par nights and Dirk has been off many games i.e Bowen had him in lockdown mode. Despite Billups/Dirk success, if they were off of their respective teams, they'd still be above water. With kobe off the fakers on the other hand, they would lose every single game and they'd be bottom dwellers in the western conference. How they are even in 7th place is mind-boggling to me.

As far as value to his team, kobe wins hand down.
great fuckin point.


I guess Kobe is this year's Most Valuable Player. I never thought of it like that.

[exstatic]

Yeah Dirk really is spotty in clutch time. The last game against the spurs proved that and games all year this year.

Typical Dallas fan: thinks ANYTHING in the regular season can be counted as "clutch".

Chauncy has three things that Dirk will never have: a right testicle, a left testicle, and a finals MVP.

[ducks]

you take dirk off the mavs they win 40 games
you take james off the cavs with a healthy hughes they win 35 games
you take kobe off the lakers they win 10 games
you take chanuncy off the pistons they win 45 games
Kobe is by far the mvp

[ducks]

Typical Dallas fan: thinks ANYTHING in the regular season can be counted as "clutch".

Chauncy has three things that Dirk will never have: a right testicle, a left testicle, and a finals MVP.


the mvp is for the regular season not the playoffs
mavs have to win something sometime we all know it will not be the postseason :lol

[x0xbillupsx0x]

This shouldn't even be a conversion.

MVP = Most Valuable Player

Kobe has put up rediculous number. He will be the first player since Jordan to AVG 35+ a game. Billups/Dirk have had great games but they haven't been as consistent as kobe. 35+ a game isn't a small chore. Billups has had many sub-par nights and Dirk has been off many games i.e Bowen had him in lockdown mode. Despite Billups/Dirk success, if they were off of their respective teams, they'd still be above water. With kobe off the fakers on the other hand, they would lose every single game and they'd be bottom dwellers in the western conference. How they are even in 7th place is mind-boggling to me.

As far as value to his team, kobe wins hand down.
the reason kobe never had what you call off nights is cause he shoots 32 times a game and only makes 13 of them any player who shoots that many times will get those kinda number's every night but some players dont have the mind set to be a one man show and miss 19 shots instead of passing the ball!some player's love to do a thing called assist,and if you call getting 22 opts and 11 assist a off night then you do so i would take that over a win anyday. we all know kobe can score 50 and his team can still lose so that says something right there!maybe he shoulda passed the ball instead of missing 20 times.

[x0xbillupsx0x]

you take dirk off the mavs they win 40 games
you take james off the cavs with a healthy hughes they win 35 games
you take kobe off the lakers they win 10 games
you take chanuncy off the pistons they win 45 games
Kobe is by far the mvp
take billups off pistons they dont have the best record and they dont have a huge advantage to go to their 3rd straight finals and host a finals series.
sorry but last time i checked going to the finals and giving your team a advantage to win a title with HCA is far more valuable then going to the playoffs.and not only that pistons have a shot at beating their franchise record of reg season wins.
you said w/o billups they only win 45 that would put them behind the heat and nets which wouldn't even give them HCA in the playoffs.with your logic in that case billups is the reason we have 62 (1) shy of the pistons franchise record!and i dont know what laker games you saw this yr but the ones i saw on espn and tnt showed the laker's bench coming back when the oppondant had huge leads while kobe was on the bench sitting out cause thats the only time anyone but kobe see's the ball and they pass and give other team buckets when their open instead of shooting and hoping half the shots go in!!

[LEONARD]

This shouldn't even be a conversion.

MVP = Most Valuable Player

Kobe has put up rediculous number. He will be the first player since Jordan to AVG 35+ a game.

Give Dirk another 8 attempts from the field and see how their #'s compare...probably about 35 ppg for Dirk too...

[x0xbillupsx0x]

Give Dirk another 8 attempts from the field and see how their #'s compare...probably about 35 ppg for Dirk too...
i would be willing to bet dirk makes more then 19 of the 35 shots!
it's a shame a dude who shoots that much and misses more then half his shots can be considered mvp.those shots he misses could be valuable to a teamate if he actually passed the ball!

[SpursWoman]

Billups is not in Dirk's league. The fact is Detroit has no weaknesses in their starting lineup. 1-5 is strong and not one player is so much more valuable than the others.


But Dirk has those all stars Josh Howard, Devin Harris and Keith Van Horn that I've been hearing so much about the last week or so. You know, the ones that will light the Spurs and whoever else stands in their way right up...? Okay...maybe not Van Horn. :spin


Kobe has no big-named players like that...he has to do it all alone. :lol




If Dirk did win it, however, I would have no problems with that. :fro

[x0xbillupsx0x]

But Dirk has those all stars Josh Howard, Devin Harris and Keith Van Horn that I've been hearing so much about the last week or so. You know, the ones that will light the Spurs and whoever else stands in their way right up...? Okay...maybe not Van Horn. :spin


Kobe has no big-named players like that...he has to do it all alone. :lol




If Dirk did win it, however, I would have no problems with that. :fro
kobe has you all fooled he has player's but how does he know how they perform?he only see's them when he is on the bench and most of the time the bench comes back if their trailing when he is ion the bench!you can say kobe is the only one who can do anything on his team when he shoots 35 times a game and doesn't give his other teams a chance to prove themself!
is missing 20 times more valuable to his team then passing a assist out?
either way their not scoring so why not get your teamates involved and make plays for them?at least when you dont have a clear cut shot if your a real good player you shouldn't have trouble making plays for your teamates.
13/32 or making a assist for your teamates instead of missing 19 shots hmm thats a toughy for kobe!

[1Parker1]

the reason kobe never had what you call off nights is cause he shoots 32 times a game and only makes 13 of them any player who shoots that many times will get those kinda number's every night but some players dont have the mind set to be a one man show and miss 19 shots instead of passing the ball!some player's love to do a thing called assist,and if you call getting 22 opts and 11 assist a off night then you do so i would take that over a win anyday. we all know kobe can score 50 and his team can still lose so that says something right there!maybe he shoulda passed the ball instead of missing 20 times.

:lol I love the Kobe never gets any assists line. Yes, he does take a lot of shots, but honestly, who the hell is he going to pass to on that team? Kwame Brown? Sasha? Luke Walton? Give me a break. If Kobe weren't jacking up 32 shots a night.....Lakers would be lucky to average 80 points a game!

My MVP vote is now down to Billups or Dirk. Even though I think Nash deserves it...the Suns have been struggling lately. Kobe is already getting the scoring title. And Lebron is probably going to be considered too young and inexperienced to get this award.

[SpursWoman]

You're going to hell for making me have to defend Kobe. :flipoff :makeout :lmao

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(35.2)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.853)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(1.76)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(41.2)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3131.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(927.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(2069.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made(168.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(485.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(651.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(763.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Steals(134.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2673.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(14.21)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(31.72)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(9.98)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.7)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(41.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(244.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2087.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(27.46)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(31.99)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(3.21)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(3.74)

[SpursWoman]

Here's Dirks little trophy room on his profile:


Ranks #8 in the NBA in Points Per Game(26.5)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(8.9)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.414)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.896)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Minutes Played(2935.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(718.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1487.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Free Throws(500.0)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(558.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(583.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(7.6)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(686.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Points(2044.0)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Double-doubles(32.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.74)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(24.32)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(8.18)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(9.13)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(9.5)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(33.4)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2106.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(27.35)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(34.44)

[1Parker1]

kobe has you all fooled he has player's but how does he know how they perform?he only see's them when he is on the bench and most of the time the bench comes back if their trailing when he is ion the bench!you can say kobe is the only one who can do anything on his team when he shoots 35 times a game and doesn't give his other teams a chance to prove themself!
is missing 20 times more valuable to his team then passing a assist out?
either way their not scoring so why not get your teamates involved and make plays for them?at least when you dont have a clear cut shot if your a real good player you shouldn't have trouble making plays for your teamates.
13/32 or making a assist for your teamates instead of missing 19 shots hmm thats a toughy for kobe!

Ahem*, not that I'm exactly a Laker fan or anything, but I'd like to point out the following stat lines for Kobe Bryant for the 2005-2006 NBA season.

PPG: 35.2
Assists: 4.6 (pretty good for a SG)
Rebounds: 5.30
Eff: +27.46 :wow
FT%: 85%
FG%: 45%
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(927.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2087.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(651.0)

Oh and plays 41.2 minutes per game.

[1Parker1]

You're going to hell for making me have to defend Kobe. :flipoff :makeout :lmao

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(35.2)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.853)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(1.76)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(41.2)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3131.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(927.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(2069.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made(168.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(485.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(651.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(763.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Steals(134.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2673.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(14.21)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(31.72)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(9.98)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.7)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(41.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(244.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2087.0)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(27.46)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(31.99)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(3.21)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(3.74)


:lmao :lmao :lmao I love you, SpursWoman. Great minds really do think alike!!! :princess :princess

[SpursWoman]

Chauncey Billups

Ranks #4 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(8.7)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage(0.436)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage(0.907)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made(181.0)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(415.0)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Free Throws(461.0)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(508.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Assists(668.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover(4.07)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Double-doubles(26.0)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(7.81)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(3.07)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes(11.3)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1662.0)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(21.58)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(28.16)

[SpursWoman]

:lmao :lmao :lmao I love you, SpursWoman. Great minds really do think alike!!! :princess :princess

:lol :makeout

[1Parker1]

:lol :makeout

Isn't this a sad turn of events? Two Spurs fans defending a Laker against a Mavs fan. How times have changed....:lol

[SpursWoman]

My MVP!


Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.544)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(596.0)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Assists(443.0)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(10.89)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(26.6)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(233.0)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(3.07)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(4.26)


Tony Parker! :lol

[1Parker1]

^:lol :tu

[SpursWoman]

Isn't this a sad turn of events? Two Spurs fans defending a Laker against a Mavs fan. How times have changed....:lol


It's pitiful. :lol


I like looking at those things, though. :)

[Spurologist]

the reason kobe never had what you call off nights is cause he shoots 32 times a game and only makes 13 of them any player who shoots that many times will get those kinda number's every night but some players dont have the mind set to be a one man show and miss 19 shots instead of passing the ball!some player's love to do a thing called assist,and if you call getting 22 opts and 11 assist a off night then you do so i would take that over a win anyday. we all know kobe can score 50 and his team can still lose so that says something right there!maybe he shoulda passed the ball instead of missing 20 times.

Do you even watch basketball? Billups shoots 41% from the field and ughghg Kobe shoots 45. I am not a math major but 45 > 41. Looks like you need to get on billups about his shooting because he shoots worse.

Kobe has to put big numbers for them to even have a chance to win. This is what makes him the most valuable to his team. Lamar Odom has stepped up lately, but his team has been mostly garbage for most of the year. I say the pistons would still be a top 3 seed in the east without Billups. Try to imagine a seed for the fakers without kobe.

wtf is point about kobe scoring 50? Check the record before making outlandish statements. ugghghg. I won't check because I want you to figure it out for yourself. That 81 pts was impressive, wasn't it? It was a win.

Somewhere in your post if I read correctly is about his assisting. Maybe if his teammate would actually make a shot he would have more confidence in them. Kobe passed to Walton and he had a WIDE OPEN look to win and he missed. It's hard to get assists numbers with misses. 4.5 assists isn't bad for a shooting guard.

I haven't like Kobe but he is right now the best player in the league and the MVP HANDS DOWN

[Spurminator]

I suppose Kobe winning it would be a fitting 30th Anniversary tribute to Kareem's winning MVP in 1976 for the 40-42 Lakers... That's the last time anyone on a team with a winning percentage as low as this year's Lakers team has won MVP.

I'd give it to Dirk though.

[mavsfan1000]

Billups shoots a ton of 3 pointers and that is why his field goal percentage isn't that high. I believe he shoots 41% from 3's as well. Still though he isn't the mvp.

[Warlord23]

I haven't like Kobe but he is right now the best player in the league and the MVP HANDS DOWN

There is nothing "hands down" about the MVP race this year. This is one of the closest MVP races in recent memory, where there are 4-5 candidates each of whom has a decent chance.

The MVP award is very closely linked with team success. There might be an argument that it should not be so, but that's just the way it is. The Lakers are 41-37, should end up with 43-44 wins. That by no means is enough for MVP. Michael Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32.5 PPG, 8 APG, 8 RPG at 54% shooting. The Bulls finished 47-35, and Jordan didn't win MVP. It went to Magic (22.5/12.8/7.9, 51% FGP) as the Lakers finished 57-25.

Is Kobe having as good a season as Michael in 88-89? I don't think so. In fact, Jordan had won MVP the previous year (87-88) with lesser stats (35/6/5.5 at 53.5% FGP) than in 88-89. He won partly because the Bulls had 50 wins. Team record matters.

Given team records, Dirk has to be a leading candidate. Statistically speaking, both LeBron and Dirk have a better PER than Kobe. LeBron in particular easily has better stats than Kobe. (31.7/6.2/7.2, 48% FGP vs 35.2/4.6/5.3, 45% FGP), and is poised for 50 wins.

1. LeBron
2. Dirk
3. Kobe/Nash/Wade/Billups

[Spurminator]

eFG%:

Billups = .509
Kobe = .489

[Spurologist]

eFG%:

Billups = .509
Kobe = .489

wtf is eFG%

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nash is the MVP

i can't even believe that this is still up for discussion


1) Nash
2) Billups
3) Dirk Nowitzki
4) Kobe Bryant


I thought Lebron had a much better season last year

i think lebron just has better teammates this year than last year, not so much himself improving that greatly

[Spurminator]

wtf is eFG%

Effective FG%. It takes into account that 3-pointers are worth more than 2-pointers.

Formula: eFG% = (FGM + [0.5 * 3PM])/FGA

[Spurologist]

Effective FG%. It takes into account that 3-pointers are worth more than 2-pointers.

Formula: eFG% = (FGM + [0.5 * 3PM])/FGA

Thanks. It's more like BS FG% to me. It makes it fair for people who like to camp out at the 3 pt line but makes over misses is simple for enough for me to know whether your shot selection is any good.

[Spurminator]

But shouldn't 4-10 on 3-pointers be valued higher than 5-10 on 2-pointers?

It's not a perfect stat, but there's a reason players who shoot 40% from behind the arc shoot them in higher quantities than others. That should be taken into account when comparing players' shooting proficiency.

[Spurminator]

Speak of the Devil....

(How do you say "Devil" in German?)

[TDMVPDPOY]

elton brand got expose

[Horry For 3!]

Dirk just hit the game winning shot.....

[mavsfan1000]

Dirk with the winning shot in a mavs win 75-73. Mavs win by playing Defense.

[pking]

and after a horrible shooting night.

that was sweet, man.

I haven't seen the Mavs look that bad on offense in quite a while. 25 points in the second half? crazy.

MVP!

[Solid D]

Here's Dirks little trophy room on his profile:

Cute little post, SW.
:fro

[ShoogarBear]

Of course, you should also count FTs as part of the forumla too. A guy who shoots 9-20 but goes 10-10 from the line is more effective than a guy who shoots 10-19 from the line with no FTA. I'm pretty sure there is a stat that takes that into account, but don't recall what it's called.

[Spurminator]

Of course, you should also count FTs as part of the forumla too. A guy who shoots 9-20 but goes 10-10 from the line is more effective than a guy who shoots 10-19 from the line with no FTA. I'm pretty sure there is a stat that takes that into account, but don't recall what it's called.

That's Points Per Shot (PPS). I prefer that stat for comparing overall scoring efficiency, but if you're just talking about which player is a better shooter, eFG% is the best measure.

[mavsfan1000]

Dirk and Nash own the points per shot stats. Dirk scores more though.

[Spurminator]

Dirk and Nash own the points per shot stats. Dirk scores more though.

Actually Billups beats both of them in PPS. He's 3rd in the league... Nash is 14th and Dirk is 18th.

[CubanMustGo]

Nash is the MVP

i can't even believe that this is still up for discussion


1) Nash
2) Billups
3) Dirk Nowitzki
4) Kobe Bryant


I thought Lebron had a much better season last year

i think lebron just has better teammates this year than last year, not so much himself improving that greatly


I was on the Nash bandwagon all year, but the way Pho has played the last month makes me wonder. I'm leaning towards Dirk [sacrilege!] right now.

[leemajors]

kobe should get it, though dirk does get strong consideration having bring it every night with injuries to his teammates.

[mavsfan1000]

Kobe's team is in 7th place in the west and soon to be 8th. That is not what a MVP player does. Take a team to mediocrity.

[leemajors]

without him they would be right down there with atlanta and the knicks. he has taken his team to the playoffs, and they are in 7th/8th only due to his play. you think they would be better without kobe? i guess if you think dampier and diop have duncan locked down you would think that.

[Spurminator]

Where would Dallas be without Dirk? I'm not so sure a Stackhouse/Terry-led team even competes for a Playoff spot.

[Pandaemonaeon]

Kobe's team is in 7th place in the west and soon to be 8th. That is not what a MVP player does. Take a team to mediocrity.

Unless we take the meaning of the MVP (Most Valuable Player) literally which is the only thing Kobe and LeBron has going for them. But in the last few years, win totals have been completely inseparable from the voting results and I agree.

I just don't think someone who puts up astronomical stats (which is very easy to do if you have the talent and make it a mission to selfishly achieve it) yet their team is in the bottom seed and is just 1 or 2 wins away from being supplanted by 4 different teams, is an MVP. And yes, I don't think LeBron is any different considering that he's only 6 wins ahead of Kobe.

[nkdlunch]

I agree Kobe doesn't deserve it. He's the same selfish asshole he's always been. Read my sig.