who would you trade for j oneal?

[ducks]

would you trade any one of the big three for him?
duncan is not getting traded either

[ALVAREZ6]

no.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

He's too injury prone. He's becoming the NBA version of Steve McNair. He can play, even excel, while playing injured (he really impressed me with his performance vs. the Pistons last year) but the thing about racking up nagging injuries is that you never know when it's all finally going to be too much and he can't play. Obviously we've got something similar going on with Manu. But as it stands since most of our overseas projects all are big men I'd be reticent about trading any of the big three for a big.

[1Parker1]

No one, have you seen how many games he's missed these past two seasons due to injuries? And he hasn't missed just two or three games...he's missed weeks, even months after each injury. No way is he worth anyone on the Spurs.

[Old School Chic]

would you trade any one of the big three for him?
duncan is not getting traded either

:nope Nope

[TDMVPDPOY]

i trade rasho+barry+draft picks+sean marks+nve expiring contract for him

[nkdlunch]

:lmao O'neal is a bad bootleg immitation of Tim Duncan.

[pache100]

I agree that he's too injury-prone. He's also too volatile and unpredictable.

Nope, I wouldn't trade anybody we have for him.

[SenorSpur]

Hell No. Salary cap suicide.

Also, you would have to part with too much of your core - unless of course, you're talking about giving up Duncan.

[anthologyct]

:nope Nope

Don't know if you guys recall, but a funny thing was said during last year's playoffs.

Grant Hill and Bill Walton were guest analysts in the ABC Studios during halftime of Game I of the Pacers/Pistons series.

Jermaine O'Neal was having a good game, and Grant Hill suggested that Jermaine O'Neal was the best player on the court between the 2 teams.

Bill Walton turned to Hill and said, "What? Jermaine O'Neal couldn't even crack the starting line-up in Detroit!"

Grant Hill: "Yes he could!"

Walton: "Over who?"

Grant Hill: "Rasheed!"

Walton: "Please!"

................................

That's the way I feel about Jermaine O'Neal. He couldn't crack the starting line-up in San Antonio. Yes, that means that I think that Nazr is better than Jermaine O'Neal.

Why? Because its not just about how many points you can put up. By the way, the problem with Jermaine is that he can't put them up when it matters most. And with Nazr, you know what you're gettin' everynight. Plus, Jermaine's childish with faux leadership.

[Old School Chic]

i trade rasho+barry+draft picks+sean marks+nve expiring contract for him


Just trade the whole team while you are at it :lol

[angel_luv]

No way!

[shelshor]

No!!!

[leemajors]

i just wish we had signed him a few years ago. (assuming he wasn't injury prone, which he did not seem to be back then)

[kris]

He's not that good.

[George Gervin's Afro]

In all seriousness there is nothing we could offer them outside Tim Duncan to get him. Our foreign big guys all seem to be doing well overseas so I cannot imagine the Spurs giving up the farm for JO. I must be in the minority in thinking that he could be a nice center to tag with Duncan but not at the price it would cost.

[baseline bum]

I've always considered Jermaine O'Neal a bit overrated. I don't think his game would mesh well with Tim's.

[themvp]

Never.

[Rummpd]

Are you kidding me for all you naysayers who would not want a potential top 10 forward/part-time center in league?

Come on, prior to this year most analysts of the NBA had him as a top 20-25 player and he is still top 30-40 at very worst.

Rights to Nazr (and or trade Rasho), Beno and Barry, drafts choices for whenever and don't look back. A Duncan, Manu, J'Oneil and Parker, Bowen lineup on paper with Finley and Horry mentoring a young Scola or our Lith Center (blanking on name) could not be stopped.

J O'Neal under the right coach and healthy could one day be a top 10 player in the NBA period.

If Amare is assumed to come back at say 85% give me the risk of J. O'Neal over even Stoudemire in the West. He could cover anyone like Dirk, Brand, Stoudemire, Odom, and Garnett better than any big we have other than a fully healthy Duncan.

Come on be serious - Indiana says maybe = get it done!


This guy has the potential to be night in and night out what Robinson was in his later years but with better health (i.e. not the same leadership) but same sort of skills with the potential of on some nights bringing David Robinson defense + a healthy TD on offense. He could easily be a 17/11/3 block player without breaking a sweat.

Ask yourself would you want this guy on any other contender this year like the Mavs, or the Lakers or the Suns = would scare the *&^% of out of me for the Spurs future.

[ShoogarBear]

That's the way I feel about Jermaine O'Neal. He couldn't crack the starting line-up in San Antonio. Yes, that means that I think that Nazr is better than Jermaine O'Neal.

Why? Because its not just about how many points you can put up. By the way, the problem with Jermaine is that he can't put them up when it matters most. And with Nazr, you know what you're gettin' everynight. Plus, Jermaine's childish with faux leadership.

Well, let's not go overboard.

I'm not a fan of JO'N's game either. There's no reason for someone with his game to be a 46% shooter. The problem is he's really not a #1 player, more like a 1A. But alongside Duncan, if he were willing to accept the #2 role, he'd be a monster.

[Jimcs50]

Marks

[Rummpd]

More importantly than his offense, which again for his naysayers is arguebly top 5 big man in the paint in the league, is his defense.

Again, I would trade anyone except the big three and Bowen for him + future draft choices.

Instantly, Spurs younger and better.


04-05 IND 44 41 34.8 .452 .167 .754 1.9 6.9 8.8 1.9 .57 2.00 2.98 3.90 24.3

Look at him in a part-time and injured role last year! 24/9/3 and he hits his FTs. I rest my case.


I would consider trading either Manu or Parker if Granger came back in the deal. The chance to get size and defense would be too much to give up = once in a lifetime to get another top 10 big men in the league to play next to Duncan and might extend his career.

[Darrin]

would you trade any one of the big three for him?
duncan is not getting traded either

I'd trade Rasheed Wallace and a number one pick.

[ShoogarBear]

I'd trade Rasheed Wallace and a number one pick.

:wow

That's a hell of a lot.

[Rummpd]

J O'Neal career high suggest an unreal amount of talent.

55 vs. Milwaukee 01/04/05
Field Goals Made 14 @ Cleveland 12/23/05 18 vs. Milwaukee 01/04/05
Field Goals Attempted 24 @ Milwaukee 11/12/05 30 2 Times
Three Point Field Goals Made 1 3 Times 1 14 Times
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 2 @ New York 12/17/05 3 @ Denver 03/07/04
Free Throws Made 12 @ New York 12/17/05 19 vs. Milwaukee 01/04/05
Free Throws Attempted 14 vs. Dallas 12/06/05 25 vs. Milwaukee 01/04/05
Offensive Rebounds 6 3 Times 9 vs. Orlando 12/17/03
Defensive Rebounds 14 @ L.A. Lakers 01/09/06 17 2 Times
Total Rebounds 18 vs. Charlotte 11/18/05 21 @ Washington 11/26/02
Assists 6 2 Times 7 vs. Milwaukee 03/31/04
Steals 3 vs. Charlotte 11/18/05 5 vs. New Jersey 12/21/01
Blocks 6 vs. L.A. Clippers 12/21/05 10 vs. Toronto 01/22/03
Minutes Played 45 @ L.A. Lakers 01/09/06 54 @ Houston 03

[himat]

I'd trade Rasheed Wallace and a number one pick.

Rasheed's a much better defender, and can shoot better. He also fits the pistons more.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It would take either Ginobili or Parker to get it done...

If he was healthy and stayed that way, I'd think about trading Big Ben...

[Darrin]

Rasheed's a much better defender, and can shoot better. He also fits the pistons more.

It's his age. Jermaine has been part of a great defensive team. O'Neal will be 28 next season, Rasheed 32. 32 isn't old, but with Ben Wallace and Antonio McDyess the same age, I'd love to have a young buck the same age as Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton to set the clock back a little and extend the Pistons run. No doubt that Jermaine O'Neal won't spread the floor with his shooting, but he will if he passes out of the post. He'd be a more willing back-to-the-basket threat than Rasheed with just as much talent and effort on defense. Injuries are a problem, but they were with McDyess when he got here. The Pistons medical staff would check him out before the trade.

If there's an argument to be made against this it's that Rasheed is a smarter basketball player.

[pache100]

extend the Pistons run.

The Pistons have a "run"?

[Darrin]

If he was healthy and stayed that way, I'd think about trading Big Ben...

Blasphemy. This team wouldn't be a defensive juggernaunt anymore. They wouldn't have a catch-all when the players gamble on their men.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Blasphemy. This team wouldn't be a defensive juggernaunt anymore. They wouldn't have a catch-all when the players gamble on their men.

O'Neal is a good defender, I doubt they'd slack that much...

[ShoogarBear]

Jermaine's a good defender, but nowhere as versatile as Rasheed. And unlike Rasheed, he would demand the ball continuously on offense. So both Detroit's defense and offense would have to be revamped.

On paper is looks good, but I think the Pistons would end up missing the stuff Rasheed does that doesn't appear in the boxscore.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Jermaine's a good defender, but nowhere as versatile as Rasheed. And unlike Rasheed, he would demand the ball continuously on offense. So both Detroit's defense and offense would have to be revamped.

On paper is looks good, but I think the Pistons would end up missing the stuff Rasheed does that doesn't appear in the boxscore.


That's why I'd trade Ben...





:spin

[Darrin]

The Pistons have a "run"?

2001-02 - 50-32 - Division title, Coach of the Year, Sixth Man of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year.
2002-03 - 50-32 - Number one seed in Conference, Eastern Conference Finalist, Defensive Player of the Year and Executive of the Year.
2003-04 - 54-28 - NBA Champions.
2004-05 - 54-28 - Consecutive Conference Championships, Three Defensive MVPs in four seasons.
2005-06 - 62-15 - Number one seed in Conference, if they win two games they will be the number one seed in NBA and simultaneously set a franchise record for wins in a season.
270-135 (.666), 4 Division titles, 3 Conference Finals Appearances, 2 Conference Championships, and 1 NBA title.

1986-87 - 52-30 - Conference Finals Appearance
1987-88 - 54-28 - First Division and Conference title in franchise history
1988-89 - 63-19 - Franchise record in wins, 15-2 mark in the playoffs (swept Boston, Milwaukee, and LA Lakers) for first NBA Championship.
1989-90: 59-23 - 2nd Consecutive NBA Championship.
1990-91: 50-32 - 5th Consecutive trip to Conference Finals.
278-132 (.678), 3 Division titles, 5 Conference Finals Appearances, 3 Conference Championships, 2 NBA titles. 3 Hall-of-Famers (Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, and Chuck Daly).

I didn't call it a dynasty, I called it a run. Like the Sixers making the Finals 3 times in four years (1980-1983), winning an NBA title in 1983, and challenging for the Conference crown from 1976-1983.

[ShoogarBear]

That's why I'd trade Ben...
Jermaine's a good defender, but nowhere as versatile as Ben. And unlike Ben, he would demand the ball continuously on offense. So both Detroit's defense and offense would have to be revamped.

On paper it looks good, but I think the Pistons would end up missing the stuff Ben does that doesn't appear in the boxscore.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Joey Harrington?

[Darrin]

O'Neal is a good defender, I doubt they'd slack that much...

It's not O'Neal I would worry about. The Pistons strength of its defense comes as a team, not from individual greatness. In order to get the Pistons to tighten up on D, it's not the coaching staff that has cracked the whip; it's been Ben Wallace. I don't think O'Neal could do that.

[ShoogarBear]

Joey Harrington?
Jermaine's a good quarterback, but nowhere as versatile as . . .

Oh, I can't.

[Darrin]

On paper it looks good, but I think the Pistons would end up missing the stuff Ben does that doesn't appear in the boxscore.

Like clearing open shots for the guards by setting great picks without having to muscle them like a Charles Oakley. The only guy who rewards him for doing that is Rip Hamilton.

[Darrin]

Joey Harrington?

Well, Jermaine would be able to stand in the pocket and see over the defense making it easier for him to read. He's a little injury prone so he would need a great offensive line. Perhaps Ben Wallace could block for him, Rip could be his number one receiver, and Chauncey Billups could run right up the middle as strong as he is.

Back to O'Neal, I wonder how mobile a quarterback would he be? :spin

[CharlieMac]

It would be a tough call, but I'd say adios to Manu. He is only a year older than Jermaine, butI think Manu just plays too wild, he's going down for half a season eventually. Big men are harder to come by either way. I'm not taking salaries into account though, because I'm to lazy to google that up.

[Darrin]

It would be a tough call, but I'd say adios to Manu. He is only a year older than Jermaine, butI think Manu just plays too wild, he's going down for half a season eventually. Big men are harder to come by either way. I'm not taking salaries into account though, because I'm to lazy to google that up.

Laziness solved:
O'Neal: $16,425,000
Ginobili: $7,425,000

Differential: -$9,000,000.

Rasho Nesterovic ($6,720,000) and filler would have to be thrown in or a re-signed Nazr Mohammad. That's assuming the Pacers think that highly of Manu Ginobili.

[Sportman]

I`d trade PJ CARLESIMO for J. O`neal :rolleyes :drunk

[Sportman]

It would be a tough call, but I'd say adios to Manu. He is only a year older than Jermaine, butI think Manu just plays too wild, he's going down for half a season eventually. Big men are harder to come by either way. I'm not taking salaries into account though, because I'm to lazy to google that up.

Are you talking seriously?? :oops

[Rummpd]

Only way we give up either Parker or Manu is for Granger or another piece besides J O'Neal = that contract is huge so doubt it could happen.

If I were Wolves I would be shopping Garnett for J O'Neal, Jackson and make a soft try for Granger = about the best they could ever get! O'Neal is not a Garnett but he replaces a 22 and 12 with a 20 and 9 pretty quickly and gets them slightly younger and with a slightly smaller contract.

Both have not proven dog meat in the playoffs so good trade for both and Garnett and Stoj would be a fun but soft front for the Pacers, settling for jumpers all the time.

Again if I was Wolves would be calling Bird right now and they may well be dropping subtle hints to come after JO.

[ShoogarBear]

KG for JO'N is an interesting thought.

Though the Wolves would have go get something else out of that.

[nkdlunch]

It would take either Ginobili or Parker to get it done...

If he was healthy and stayed that way, I'd think about trading Big Ben...

:wow :wow

are u serious???? Ben Wallace is the heart and soul of the Pistons. Don't u forget that

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No.

I was serious about Harrington though.

[anthologyct]

I'd trade Rasheed Wallace and a number one pick.

Dude, I wouldn't trade Antonio McDyess for Jermaine O'Neal.

JO = Jack Off!

[Dre_7]

Manu.

[anthologyct]

It's his age. Jermaine has been part of a great defensive team. O'Neal will be 28 next season, Rasheed 32. 32 isn't old, but with Ben Wallace and Antonio McDyess the same age, I'd love to have a young buck the same age as Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton to set the clock back a little and extend the Pistons run. No doubt that Jermaine O'Neal won't spread the floor with his shooting, but he will if he passes out of the post. He'd be a more willing back-to-the-basket threat than Rasheed with just as much talent and effort on defense. Injuries are a problem, but they were with McDyess when he got here. The Pistons medical staff would check him out before the trade.

If there's an argument to be made against this it's that Rasheed is a smarter basketball player.

Please man ...........

Pistons before 'Sheed = Swept by NJ
Pistons after 'Sheed = Bling! + 4 minutes removed from Bling! x 2

What has Jermaine O'Neal done for the Pacers other than run his mouth?

Rasheed Wallace is a better defender
Rasheed Wallace is a better shooter
Rasheed Wallace has more B-ball IQ
Rasheed Wallace isn't tryin' to be the faux leader of the Pistons
Rasheed Wallace isn't lazy
And if you think Rasheed Wallace doesn't know when to go down on the low post and bang, ask Tim Duncan. Against Jermaine O'Neal in the Finals, Tim Duncan would drop 30ppg & 15rb.

Not to mention, Ben Wallace wouldn't tolerate him, and Dumars wouldn't take him because he has no Piston DNA.

[Darrin]

If I were Wolves I would be shopping Garnett for J O'Neal

I actually did this trade in a Mock GM game two years ago. I was killed for trading Sprewell and KG for Anthony Johnson, Croshere, and Jermaine.

[Darrin]

Dude, I wouldn't trade Antonio McDyess for Jermaine O'Neal.

JO = Jack Off!

That's the running punch to a fat Pistons fan talking. He's a solid 20-10-2 guy who is young enough to be the option we thought Darko would be.